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It was a quiet night on the farm as the affiliates went 2-2. Breyvic Valera and Luis De Los Santos each drove in three runs to help the Bisons and Canadians win.

Rochester 1 Buffalo 3

Somerset 6 New Hampshire 1

Spokane 2 Vancouver 3

Bradenton 4 Dunedin 1

This is what I noted from yesterday's games.

TJ Zeuch started and had a Zeuchian start. Six innings, three hits, three K's, two walks.

Breyvic Valera drove in all three Bison's runs. The first came when he doubled in the third inning. In the seventh inning he came to the plate with runners on second and third. His single drove in both runners. Valera is hitting .333. Forrest Wall was 3-4 and scored two runs. He is hitting .350.

Tayler Saucedo pitched two shutout innings to keep his ERA at zero.

Kyle Johnston had a better second start, five shutout innings. He did have eight base runners and had to get out of trouble a few times. He also had just two strikeouts. Jon Harris gave up a solo home run and took the loss.

Otto Lopez had two hits and drove in the only run. Austin Martin was 1-4, the same as Jordan Groshans. Groshans made an error and now has five this season. Gabriel Moreno did not play. He was hit by a pitch in Wednesdays game but hasn't been placed on the IL.

Luis De Los Santos came to the plate in the sixth inning with the C's trailing 1-0 and with two men on. He homered to give the C's a 3-1 lead. That was his only hit and the C's only extra base hit.

CJ Van Eyk started. He pitched 4.2 innings, allowed one run and recorded seven K's. It was a much better second start for the second round pick last year. Brandon Eisert threw 2.1 perfect innings after his promotion from Dunedin. Justin Maese got the save with two innings of relief.

Will Robertson is on the IL. Per #2JB, he was injured diving for a ball. He may have hurt his wrist.

Jol Concepcion started and allowed two runs. He did walk five in four innings.

The Jays only run came from a Zach Britton home run, his second. Britton is hitting .333 with an OPS of 1.217. The Jays had just five hits.

Three Stars

Third Star - TJ Zeuch

Second Star - Luis De Los Santos

First Star - Breyvic Valera


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Mike Green - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 08:33 AM EDT (#397912) #
That's a nice outing from Van Eyk.  I like him better than some others here- the curveball looks good to me but I don't trust my judgment about pitchers very far at all.
scottt - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 08:49 AM EDT (#397913) #
A good Zeuch start is great news.

Joe Murray hasn't pitched yet and is on the 7-day IL.

scottt - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 08:57 AM EDT (#397915) #
SWR 16
Logue 12.1
Luciano 11
Castillo 6
Johnston 2.3

uglyone - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#397920) #
The look of our prospect system could really change drastically one way or another depending on how good Martin and Groshans perform in this their first real year of milb.
scottt - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#397921) #
Pearson probably graduates this year. If not he takes a tumble down anyway.
SWR could rise up.
Moreno could find himself on the top 100 lists.

uglyone - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#397922) #
for me im yuge fan already of SWR and Moreno. I might even consider them our best pitching and hitting prospect, respectively.

the question for me is whether the toolsier kids can actually perform at an elite level too.
92-93 - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#397923) #
Is one even allowed to consider a pitcher throwing in the low-90s as a top prospect anymore?
scottt - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#397924) #
Every year, some prospects rise and other drop.
Giving the circumstances of last year, it's no surprise that some guys will need more time to achieve their projected level.

What if guys like Forrest Wall and Logan Warmoth keep hitting?
Do these guys get a look at some point?
They are both first round picks, Wall, 35th in 2014, Warmoth, 22nd in 2017.
Way too early to jump on the bandwagon.
Same thing for Groshans and Martin.
Let's see after 100, 150 ABs.

bpoz - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#397926) #
The ML schedule ends Oct 3 and the Minor leagues schedule ends Sept 19. Then playoffs for the minors. Buffalo and NH could make the playoffs.

Kirk is not listed on the top 30 prospect list that I usually check. Probably an oversight. M Beltre 19, W Robertson 22 and Allgeyer 30 are on the list.

G Moreno is off to a good start. .500Avg with 4BB and 4Ks. SSS. Moreno is 3 years younger than Adams and both should burn their 1st option this year. Both should get into ML games that count by sometime in 2022 just so that they have an idea as to how difficult the ML is.
scottt - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#397927) #
It depends on the prospect definition.
I think they go by the rookie definition which is 130AB or 50 IP or 45 total days on the active roster.
So even though Kirk didn't play that much, he's probably got more than the 45 days of service time.

greenfrog - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#397930) #
It's probably harder for a low-90s pitcher to be considered a top prospect, but it's still possible I think. Aaron Nola (7th overall pick in 2014) is a good example. His average FB velo has never reached 93 MPH, but he has been an excellent starting pitcher. He's off to an outstanding start this year (10:1.5 K:BB ratio and 1.3 WAR).

The Jays had the 9th pick in the 2014 draft and they selected Jeff Hoffman. As I wrote on draft day: "Too bad about Nola.... He would have been a nice arm to add to the system."
bpoz - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#397931) #
Thanks scottt.
hypobole - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#397932) #
FG kept SWR as a 50 FV despite pointing out the velocity drop.
uglyone - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#397933) #
"Is one even allowed to consider a pitcher throwing in the low-90s as a top prospect anymore?"

When it's a 20yr old that has already shown the ability to hit high 90s, yes.
hypobole - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#397934) #
Velocity, at least in some cases, isn't nearly as important as a lot of people see it to be. Remember the Jays getting befuddled by Cole Irvin last week in Oakland? He's hit 98 in the past. Didn't work. He's in the 92 range now and thriving. Highly recommend this interview.
Gerry - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#397936) #
Nate Pearson has some shoulder discomfort and will miss his next start for Buffalo.
greenfrog - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#397937) #
If I had to choose one of the two prospects, I would now pick Manoah over Pearson. Nate just carries too much injury risk.
Kasi - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#397939) #
There has always been the discussion about him becoming a reliever. That might end up being necessary and I wouldn't mind another lights out reliever. I don't know why he's so brittle though, its not like he's even hurting the part that he had the screws/plates for. It's just a bunch of random stuff all over his body.
mathesond - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#397941) #
Those voodoo doll pins can be capricious.
Mike Green - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#397942) #
In Pearson's case, it's really hard to tell if his erratic performance issues are just manifestations of injuries not yet reported.  In any event, SWR has a record of durability so far and I think Manoah will turn out to be durable also.  That's an important plus. 
tercet - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#397943) #
Manoah > Pearson based on his brief television appearances in the spring for me. It is hard to judge Manaoh as a starter so far thought imo, because the tv views of his two starts were from behind the catcher and it is hard to judge if he is hitting his spots or missing constantly like Nate Pearson has for a while.
hypobole - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#397944) #
Apparently Nate has a shoulder impingement. Kloff pitched through a similar injury in 2019, which affected his velocity. Also may explain the mid 90's instead of high 90's for Nate's last start.
greenfrog - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#397948) #
Fangraphs has some posted some new notes on several prospects, including the following comments about a Jays farmhand:

Lazaro Estrada, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays Level & Affiliate: Low-A Dunedin Age: 22 Org Rank: NR FV: 35 Line: 2.2 IP (relief), 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 4 K

I donít know anything about Estrada except what I was able to glean from Wednesdayís data output. Estradaís curveball averaged just shy of 3,400 rpm. If thatís what heís capable of doing consistently, heíd be comfortably atop the major league average curveball spin rate leaderboard. Iíve never had this kind of immediate access to data before, so Iím not sure how spontaneously aggressive to be with putting someone like Estrada on a prospect list after just looking at pitch data without ever having laid eyes on him. But even though he hasnít performed at an elite level, heís someone who needs to be monitored because of his talent for spin.
scottt - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#397949) #
This is putting a different spin on "talent for spin".
dalimon5 - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#397952) #
Pearson for Scherzer get it done.
hypobole - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#397953) #
Beat me, greenfrog. Had it copied, was about to paste. Those daily prospect notes are one of my favourite features on the site.

As for Estrada, I've never seen any info on him before. Have another name to keep an eye on when checking boxscores. He has an easy to remember last name.
Kasi - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#397954) #
Not unless that comes with a resigning. Do we want another Lucas Giolito where a pitcher was considered a bust because they had a rough start and they jettisoned him and now well Chicago gets to benefit from that. Sure if you think he's only a reliever than yeah make that deal but if there is still a good chance to start I don't think you send out your number one prospect for a rental.
Waveburner - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#397962) #
Has there been any word yet on the status of Trent Palmer, Nick Frasso or Graham Spraker? At this point I assume they are injured, just wondering if anyone has more details.

Also one more deep sleeper name I forgot about - Elieser Medrano. He missed both '18 & '19 seasons with injuries, but the last time he was pitching reports had his fastball spiking to high 90's with a promising slider. Does anyone know anything about him? Is he still with the organization?
GabrielSyme - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#397968) #
All I can find on Medrano is he was at a Jays camp in Spring 2020, according to his Instagram, which hasn't been updated since . Might have been released or could be he's back in camp and hasn't been assigned to a full-season team.
bpoz - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#397982) #
Agreed Kasi. I Pearson fails or succeeds I would want him to do it as a Jay.
John Northey - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#397983) #
Last transaction is at MLB: Elieser Medrano November 19, 2020 RHP Elieser Medrano assigned to New Hampshire Fisher Cats from Vancouver Canadians.
hypobole - Friday, May 14 2021 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#397987) #
Progress in NH. Moreno with his usual 2 hits, but Otto the prospective Swatto with 4 including his 4th and 5 doubles already. 2 hits for Groshans and Martin with 1.
dalimon5 - Saturday, May 15 2021 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#397999) #
For me, I'd rather take the risk of trading Pearson than any of our other top 6 prospects. Okay, straight up for a rental is crazy talk, but I'm generally not sold on him long term and if we can find a starting pitcher to bring in who can stick around, so much the better.
Kasi - Saturday, May 15 2021 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#398011) #
Sure Iíd be fine trading Pearson as part of a package or straight up for a guy like Clevinger (who Padres got from Indians last year) who has a few years of control. Well preferably for a Clevinger type that doesnít go right out and get injured, but thatís the idea.
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