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The New York Yankees, still evil, still imperial. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Last year's Yankees gave up almost exactly the same number of runs as the Blue Jays (693 to 669, edge to Toronto) while scoring not nearly as often (big edge to the Jays, 846 to 711). The Yankees did get a little luckier than Toronto in the close games, but this mostly reflects the Blue Jays habit of piling on their vanquished foes with plenty of extra punishment. The Yankees got healthy seasons from both Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron Judge, which hasn't been something they've been able to depend on every year. They need them to hold up one more time, along with an even older RH slugger, our old chum Josh Donaldson. Josh is certainly an upgrade on Gio Urshela, but he's been known to spend some time on the IL himself.

Matchups? Of course...

Mon 11 Apr - Manoah (---) vs Taillon (---)
Tue 12 Apr - Kikuchi (---) vs Cortes (---)
Wed 13 Apr - Berrios (0-0, 108.00) vs Cole (0-0, 6.75)
Thu 14 Apr - Gausman (0-0, 5.40) vs Severino (0-0, 6.00)
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Mike Green - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#412141) #
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Francais in New York?  Fuhgeddaboutit.
SK in NJ - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#412142) #
Whoever had "Zack Collins starts at DH" on their Charlie Montoyo bingo card is a winner tonight. This is game #4, and we've only seen Jansen/Kirk start together at CA/DH once. That's not good, but I guess it should be largely expected with Montoyo managing.
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#412143) #
It looks like Shaun Anderson has been recalled. Given he just started on Friday he could be a Ryu replacement.
85bluejay - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#412144) #
I heard part of an interview with Jays bench coach John Schneider a few weeks ago and he hinted that most of these decisions are not made by Charlie Montoyo. I think fans underestimate the influence of the Analytics dept. and FO on the decisions Montoyo make.
Mike Green - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#412145) #
I understand giving Collins work if he was going to be around after May 1.  I thought it was pretty clear that he wasn't. 
SK in NJ - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#412146) #
Apparently, Jansen might be unavailable tonight, so I guess Jansen/Kirk starting was not in the cards, but would much rather see Biggio out there than Collins in that case. If Biggio is hurt too, then I concede.
scottt - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#412147) #
In Yankees Stadium, I'm totally fine with a left bat with some power.

Jansen, day-to-day, soreness in his left side. (Hit too many homeruns?)
Ryu, day-to-day, hamstring contusion.  Doesn't pitch until Friday against Oakland. A 6th pitcher wouldn't shock me.

Nigel - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#412148) #
Only team insiders knows who makes what decisions, but it sure seems on brand for Montoyo to get Collins in at DH tonight. For better or worse, playing every single player on the roster (even in less than favourable scenarios) is who he is. In tiny doses, it isn't that big a deal. In totality it can be damaging if left unchecked.
rpriske - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#412149) #
Jansen just hit the IL.

Heinman called up.
rpriske - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 06:45 PM EDT (#412150) #
Waveburner - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#412151) #
Palacios DFA'd for Heineman. Also Saucedo optioned to Buffalo and Kay recalled.

Game 4 and the "C"/1B with an 80 wrc+ in the Majors is in at DH. Kind of annoying, just hope it doesn't last long.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#412152) #
If only we had a good defensive catcher available (one who knows the staff well) to start in place of Jansen while he’s on the IL.
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#412153) #
Anderson is there as a member of the taxi squad, in case the Jays burn through more relievers.
BlueJayWay - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#412154) #
Oblique strain for Jansen. Those can be tricky...
Polite Nate - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#412155) #
If there is a guy is on the roster that should never be played, then the problem is with the FO for having him on the major league team to begin with. If Collins can't even get a start at DH from time to time, then give me another reliever or something.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#412156) #
Outstanding first inning from Manoah. High heat to strike out LeMahieu, changeup to get Rizzo, sinker (?) to get Judge to ground out. Very good control and poise on the mound.
Nigel - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#412157) #
With Jansen hurt, I have no issue with Collins getting his turn as the C on days when Kirk doesn't start. That was the choice the team made when they traded McGuire. But, does Collins at DH make any sense when all of Biggio, Tapia and Zimmer are also available?
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#412158) #
I think Charlie likes to get everyone into a game soon after the start of the season.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#412159) #
Big time D, Bo.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#412160) #
"If Collins can't even get a start at DH from time to time, then give me another reliever or something."

Eh a team's 3rd catcher should most likely never be a starting DH.

The team keeps acting like their offense is unstoppable and they dont even need a DH and well I sure hope they're right.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#412161) #
A few weeks ago I argued for keeping all three of Jansen, Kirk and McGuire on the big-league roster. I wish the team had done that.
Mike Green - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#412162) #
It's Cavan Biggio's birthday. I hope Santiago gets him something nice.
lexomatic - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#412163) #
Really annoyed with the sportsnet app I've been trying to watch the damn game live and it keeps putting me in the pregame blue jays central. No matter what I do just on repeat blue jays central, I can see the game happening . there's a boxscore. I just can't watch it. FFS.
Polite Nate - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#412164) #
I think Collins would hurt the team even more starting a game at C than he does at DH. And I don't think his bat gets any better being a career pinch hitter. So I don't know why he's on the major league roster at all.
John Northey - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#412165) #
same for me lexomatic. Very annoying that the radio app also won't play the Jays game. I found an alternative way to watch but very annoying especially with nothing on the app to click for complaints.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#412166) #
For the record the regular Rogers app works well.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#412167) #
Pretty bad call by the ump to ring up Bichette (outside FB not a strike) with Springer on second and Vladdy on deck.
Michael - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#412168) #
Quite nice double play by Jays to end the 7th.
Polite Nate - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#412169) #
The way Santiago's playing, the gift he is trying to give Biggio is a nice long rest on the bench.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#412170) #
Hopefully Teoscar is okay and not just gritting it out through a hand injury.
hypobole - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#412171) #
I was just about to post something in the same vein. Espinal has been terrific. Obligatory mention that his ,556 BABIP isn't going to last.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#412172) #
Santiago being legit would really tighten up that infield D like a drum.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#412173) #
Excellent pitching by Cimber against some of the top Yankee hitters.
Nigel - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#412174) #
If Collins hurts this team more as the C rather than as DH (a thought I’m not sure I disagree with), then he serves zero function on the roster. He ain’t here for his bat.

Fantastic game for Espinal.
greenfrog - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#412175) #
Yes — wonderful start to the season for Espinal. He looks very confident on both sides of the ball.
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#412176) #
Forget Vlad and Bo, give Manoah a long term deal now.

Actually just kidding, pitchers are risky, but he is very impressive and could be the ace of the staff.
hypobole - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#412177) #
O's shut out the Brewers, A's clobbered the Rays. No team left winless or undefeated. BTW, Rays Patino left after 13 pitches with another injury.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2022 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#412178) #
Love that 4 OF defense holding a leadoff double to a single.
scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 07:39 AM EDT (#412179) #
It looks like Patino and Jansen have the same injury.
krose - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 07:49 AM EDT (#412180) #
Thought last nights game was one of the best defensive ones I can remember seeing from a Jays team. Enough hitting, no mistakes in the field, excellent starting pitching and good enough work from the bullpen. A few bats are MIA, including Bichette’s. Collins and Biggio also look lost at the dish.
krose - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 07:56 AM EDT (#412181) #
Enjoy watching games, pitch by pitch. And it seems to my eye that Kirk does a good job behind the plate. Hope Montoyo lets him run as the starter for a while.
Thomas - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:24 AM EDT (#412182) #
It was said half in jest, but I'd definitely have interest in signing Manoah to an extension if it was reasonably priced and bought out a free agent year or two.

Pitchers are risky, but getting some cost certainty and a longer commitment from Manoah would be nice.
scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:28 AM EDT (#412183) #
I don't even think that's on Montoyo. Walker was talking with Kirk frequently and rubbing his shoulders.
They say he has improved his English significantly, so that's not a problem and the new signaling system speeds up game calling. Veteran starting pitchers will express their preferences, I'm sure.

I think it's mostly the umps who look lost at the plates. And the Yankees hitters.

Not sure what to expect from Kikuchi.

scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:36 AM EDT (#412184) #
Shapiro has said that in Cleveland it was important to get guys to sign extensions, but in Toronto, they can go year to year and not care if someone becomes a free agent and walks away. The important thing in Toronto is keeping the attendance high so the payroll does not have to be cut. Try to extend key players and chase them in free agency but if they go somewhere else just sign an equivalent talent and move on.

Kikuchi and Ryu are both Boras clients.

Glevin - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:41 AM EDT (#412185) #
This team is so fun to watch and they can win in so many differnt ways. I have to say that Bichette has looked better defensively at the end of last year and beginning of this one so maybe he's improving as a SS.
Mike Green - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 09:14 AM EDT (#412186) #
Espinal has been terrific. Obligatory mention that his ,556 BABIP isn't going to last.

No, it won't.  Neither will his .505 wOBA nor his .535 xwOBA.  On the other hand, his average exit velocity of 90.7 mph may or may not survive the winds of larger sample size.  For what it's worth, his xBA of .520 so far is pretty good!  So far, he's destroyed fastballs and they're going to start throwing him a lot more off-speed stuff.  Given his skill set, it will mean fewer base hits and more walks, and maybe a few home runs as pitchers get behind in the count and come in. 

Santiago Espinal was born in Santiago, DR.  Are there other players like that?  There are a few with the last name, like Estel Crabtree, born in Crabree, Ohio.  I mean Dallas is a common enough first name, but there are two Dallases from Tulsa and none from Dallas.  What's with that?

John Northey - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#412187) #
On Twitter someone mentioned what a great trade Teoscar Hernandez was.  Jays got him for Francisco Liriano (1.1 bWAR left in him, but he gave Houston -0.2 before becoming a free agent) and eating what was left of Nori Aoki's contract ($2-3 million at most - gave the Jays 0.2 bWAR).  Hernandez so far has been worth 7.9 WAR over 4 1/2 years (0.2 in his brief time in Houston over 1 1/2 seasons).  Quite the big positive for the Jays and off to a great start this year (WAR isn't calculated yet but a 269 OPS+ over 4 games is darn nice).

For comparison Josh Donaldson was worth 19.5 WAR in his 4 seasons here, 9.5 since leaving (plus whatever this year but just a 500 OPS so far).  Jays gave up Franklin Barreto (-0.1), Kendall Graveman (7.3, 5.5 for Oakland), Brett Lawrie (2.9) and Sean Nolin (-0.3 for Oakland, just made it back to the majors last year) for him.  So 19.5 WAR vs 8 WAR - not bad.  Graveman was far better than anyone expected which is what makes it even remotely close.

Of course, nothing reached the Fred McGriff (19.4 - 52.6 overall, key to the Alomar/Carter trade) trade - Jays got him and Dave Collins (4.7), Mike Morgan (0.1 - 27.1 after the Jays released him), and cash for Tom Dodd (0.1) and Dale Murray (-0.8 post-trade).  Massive blowout trade, but could've been bigger had the Jays kept Morgan.  Collins also was a key part of the Caudill trade (who helped in 1985 get the Jays to their first playoff appearance, even if it felt like he hurt it).  So 24.2 WAR for -0.7, as well as 2 pieces being keys to trades that pushed the Jays into the playoffs multiple times.  Yeah, can't do much better.
hypobole - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#412188) #
The one thing Bo has to stop doing is throwing the ball into the runner. 1st basemen hate that throw, because they can easily jam their wrist. Vlad has been excellent and lucky with those throws so far, but I cringe every time Bo does it.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#412189) #
With Jansen on the DL it's a no-brainer for the team to start Espinal at 2B and Biggio at DH.

Palacios is probably no big loss, but it was unnecessary to lose him just so Collins could DH last night. There is no good reason for them to be carrying 3 catchers now.
bpoz - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#412190) #
Good info from scottt about Shapiro's philosophy. This may mean extend Lindor or trade him if unable to extend. The same with J Ramirez. So high attendance is more important for Toronto than for Cleveland.

High attendance = high payroll in Toronto and winning = high attendance.

Teoscar was a win for sure. He did not get paid much until recently. Also his defense was poor when acquired. Liriano was a salary dump by Pittsburg ($13mil) then a salary dump by the Jays to Houston. If Houston paid the leftover Liriano salary then Toronto may have dumped more salary than the Aoki amount.

To win the Jays signed Ryu, Springer, Semien, Berrios and Gausman to big contracts. Only Gausman was an equal signing to cover the loss of Ray. Chapman covers the loss of Semien at a lower cost. Letting Ray and Semien walk got us 2 draft picks. We lost a pick for signing Springer. Ryu, Springer and Gausman not performing any year while under contract will hurt the Jay's payroll and the winning %.

Kikuchi & Chapman are getting Grichuk level money. IMO we lost money by trading Grichuk in the sense that we are paying him to play for Colorado. Getting Pinto most likely does not help. Trading for and extending Berrios needs more thought from me because his contract is in layers of some kind.

For Donaldson (AA) Lawrie, Franklin Barreto, and S Nolan were the 3 that I thought had the most value with Graveman having the least. My evaluation was very wrong because Graveman was drafted in 2013 and moved 4 minor league levels (167.1IP) and onto the Jays roster (4.2) in 2014. 172IP in 2014 with outstanding results deserved a WOW opinion from me.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#412191) #
Dan S lists Kikuchi as one of his breakout candidates for 2022:

It’s undeniable that Kikuchi had a rough second half of the 2021 season, especially in September, which featured some lapses in command. But to play devil’s advocate, who has ever looked good while giving up a .452 BABIP? Still, I’d argue he’s closer to the potential he showed in the early months of the season than his late swoon.

Kikuchi has quietly become one of the hardest throwing lefty starters in baseball, and he still has an impressive array of secondary pitches he can whiff batters with. To my eyes, the biggest culprit behind his rough second half was some late-season trouble with his slider. He’s changed how he throws the pitch in recent years, shifting into more of a slurvy — I don’t mean this in a negative way — accompaniment to his cutter, and both it and the cutter saw their whiffs-per-swing plummet starting in August. Unlike a lot of pitchers, Kikuchi uses his slider as much as his off-speed stuff (splitter) when facing the platoon disadvantage, and with the slider failing, right-handed hitters absolutely torched him the last two months.

Given his impressive velocity — and he threw harder the second and third times through the order in 2021 — and four solid pitches, I think Kikuchi will be able to adjust in the long run. I’m not sure Carlos Rodón is an obviously superior signing and I really liked that one, too. Indeed, I think three years and $36 million for Kikuchi may end up being one of the best bargains of this past winter.
Waveburner - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#412192) #
It looks to me like Jordan Romano has tweaked his delivery. Last season he was very deliberate loading up on his back leg and then pushing off the rubber for maximum velocity. He looks a bit quicker and not going all out for velocity. It might cost him a couple of ticks on his average velocity, but if that is traded off for improved command and control it's likely to be well worth it as Romano has excellent carry on his fastball. It might also help him control the running game better as last year he felt like an automatic steal for any decent runner.

I do kind of miss his quirky pre-pitch windup though. It was amusing.

Also, how cool is it that someone from Markham now holds the Jays record for most consecutive saves?
Mike Green - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#412193) #
With Jansen on the DL it's a no-brainer for the team to start Espinal at 2B and Biggio at DH.

Agree, but with 30 games in 31 days, there may be many occasions for days off for players which sometimes can be in the form of a DH day (e.g. Zimmer for Springer, Springer DHs, Biggio at 1B, Guerrero DHs). Rainouts can change the dynamic, of course, depending on when they're made up. 
AWeb - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#412194) #
I'm guessing Romano lost the pre-pitch quirks with an eye towards the possibility of a pitch clock coming in very soon. Better to make the adjustment now than be caught off guard later.
John Northey - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#412195) #
As I recall he got rid of the fun stuff last year mid-season as it was felt it affected his endurance a bit after a couple of shaky outings. Results have been great so hard to complain.
Jonny German - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#412196) #
With Jansen on the DL it's a no-brainer for the team to start Espinal at 2B and Biggio at DH.

Unfortunately that’s not going to happen because it would leave a bench of 2 outfielders and 2 catchers. Which of course could have easily been avoided by recalling Katoh rather than Heineman, with the side benefit of not needing to DFA Palacios.

It’s the small moves that are the most perplexing. The only explanation I can think of for the 3-catcher nonsense is that they want to be able to DH Kirk without the fear of losing the DH if the starting catcher gets injured in-game. Which is not a good reason at all, the risk in the absolute worst-case scenario is like 2 plate appearances for a pitcher batting.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#412197) #
Jonny - I agree with all of that. Your explanation is the most likely but the next most likely is that they don't think Collins can actually catch (which isn't a crazy notion), in which case the McGuire deal was a real head scratcher. The idea of using Kirk as the semi regular DH isn't the best plan now. Its pretty clear that Kirk should get the bulk of the C duties until Jansen is healthy and should get his rest on his off days.
Mike Green - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#412198) #
I agree, Nigel.  With Jansen hurt and no McGuire, it makes sense for Kirk to catch 5 games out of 7 and rest the other two. 
Gerry - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#412199) #
Kirk is DH today and Heinemann catching.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#412201) #
Sorry, but Charlie and the front office have lost the plot on this one. They are all small moves but they are most definitely the best use of the resources at hand.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#412202) #
definitely not. key word missing:)
Mike Green - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#412203) #
Yep.  It's not good, but relatively minor now.  It becomes more significant when they enter the 20 games in a row stretch on April 19 if Jansen is still out and they don't adjust usage. 
Leaside Cowboy - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#412204) #
Just watching Opening Day in Cincinnati. I support the old tradition of the Reds playing the first game of the MLB season.

The 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings.

Leaside Cowboy - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#412205) #
The 28 player roster is effective till Sunday, May 1st. To clarify: will there be 26 players on Sunday or Monday?

Therefore, the Blue Jays will play the final 7 or 8 games of the 30 games in 31 days with 26 players.

Monday, May 9th and Thursday, May 12th are currently scheduled off days.
scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#412206) #
I think with Kirk it's the fact that he likely needs a pinch runner which takes him out of the game.
That's what happened in game 2.

scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#412207) #
I love having Kirk's bat against a lefty.
Heineman hits from both side.

scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#412208) #
The 28 roster doesn't affect the position players, the Jays are already at 13.
They Yankees, on the other hand, are using 11 relievers.

scottt - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#412209) #
Heineman was drafted by the Astros in 2012 and remained in their system until he was traded to the Brewers on April 2 2017. He elected free agency at the end of 2018 and signed with the Diamondbacks in 2019. From there he was traded to the Marlins on June 4 and called up in September. Signed with the Giants in 2020, was called up for 3 days and then again in September. Last year signed with the Cards, played for the Memphis Redbirds, was released on July 3, signed with the Phillies and finished the year with the Ironpigs, wasn't called up in September, presumably because of the 28 roster rule.
Cracka - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#412212) #
Heineman is also an accomplished magician... there's a very entertaining video of him performing card tricks for his ex Dbacks teammates, including Robbie Ray:

Shoeless Joe - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#412213) #
There was a lot of hard contact against Kikuchi.
Thomas - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#412214) #
These catcher moves are puzzling. I wouldn't have done it, but I understand why they traded McGuire for Collins. But, then the team keeps Collins on the roster as a third catcher, rather than someone like Katoh.

Except, it's not clear they trust Collins to catch except in emergencies. Which the stats may support, but if you don't trust Collins to catch, his utility goes way down.

Then, Jansen gets injured. And the front office decides they need a third catcher, still, presumably because Collins is a "catcher" in quotation marks. So they call-up Heineman, but then when you want Kirk catching when he's not resting, in order to keep Collins and Heineman on the bench when possible, Montoyo goes ahead and starts Kirk at DH. Which presumably means that we'll get Collins or Heineman behind the plate in one of the next two games, as well.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#412215) #
Bang on Thomas. If they didn't think Collins could actually catch then they should have ridden with McGuire until the roster cut down date. The chances of Jansen and Kirk getting injured was always pretty high.

That Kikuchi start looked an awful lot like his 2nd half starts from last year. Not pretty.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#412216) #
Heineman hasn’t looked very good behind the plate.

The thing I find confusing is that the Jays were an excellent team at the end of last season with Jansen/Kirk/McGuire as the catchers. Trading McGuire for a poor catcher right before the start of the 2022 season seems like a bad idea. Doing it to acquire a substandard player for his optionality reminds me of Atkins’s infamous “42 years of control!” comment.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#412217) #
Do this, Vladito.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#412218) #
Wait I was sure we got rid of Anthony Kay this year what the heck is he doing on the mound in Yankee stadium.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#412219) #
If they really felt it was necessary to get starts for our 3rd and 4th string catchers (wvwn at the expense of playing a DH!) I wish they had at least played them against Texas instead of the Yankees.
John Northey - Tuesday, April 12 2022 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#412220) #
So we get Heineman for just 1 PA (0 for 1) so Collins can strike out (0-5 so far with 4 K's). This is weird to watch. It is like the Jays are just treading water behind the plate until Moreno is ready. Jansen/Kirk is a good combo, but Collins is clearly not good on defense and his bat so far has been about what I'd expect me to do in the majors (strike out every time unless I got lucky on a swing and grounded out or popped up). Like most here I don't get it - the Jays clearly saw something in Collins but the stats don't show anything, although in AAA in 2019 he did hit 282/403/548 so I could see keeping him there and hoping he hits enough to be useful but at 27 odds are low he'll show much now vs his previous 351 ML PA's (77 OPS+) where he hit worse than McGuire (2-7 so far in 2022 after a 2-3 game today). Clearly nothing more than a 'lets guarantee depth if we need to demote him' thing, which made sense but right now I'm not seeing any value.
Waveburner - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#412221) #
It's difficult not to think that Atkins is still stuck in his 2018 and 2019 mindset of always trying to extract value. I mean they can't really think Collins is a better MLB player right now than McGuire. Even if their internal defensive metrics aren't as positive on McGuire as the publicly available ones, he's still obviously a better defensive catcher than Collins or Heineman. I'm sure they have reasoning for this move, but it's impossible to spot it just watching the games.

I really assumed they were sending him to AAA to put an end to his catching days and see if his bat improves away from the rigors of catching. The current situation is just bizarre.

Also, Kikuchi got crushed and was lucky to even make it as far as he did only giving up 3 runs. First turn through the rotation was very forgettable.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#412222) #
But regardless of the trade....we were supposed to be thinking of having the unusual 3 catchers on a roster because all 3 were good.

Now we're down to one actual MLB catcher and we're STILL carrying three catchers AND feeling the need to start the AAA catchers in Yankee stadium.

What is even happening?
SK in NJ - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 06:51 AM EDT (#412223) #
As others have said if the plan was to always have 3 catchers on the roster, then they should have kept McGuire. Collins is not a good hitter so if they don’t trust him to catch outside of emergencies, then I’m not sure what he’s doing on the big league roster. The fact that he has an option remaining makes that even more puzzling. Whether the blame goes to Montoyo or the FO or the analytics team, or a combination of all of them, the fact is the lineup decisions so far have left a lot to be desired. The bench isn’t ideal in its construction to begin with, so if you’re going to DH 3rd string catchers and start minor league catchers in Yankee Stadium instead of playing someone like Biggio, then it just makes the issue worse.
scottt - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:00 AM EDT (#412224) #
They switched McGuire because he wasn't going to be around once Moreno comes knocking.
Which could be very soon now.

They dropped Palacios because they already have 2 left hitting outfielders who can both play CF which Palacios can't do.

Now yesterday, Kikuchi kept them in the game until his pitch count ran out. Too many breaking balls maybe, but that's not on the catcher. The defense was fine. The offense didn't produce and that's what they tried to boost by having Kirk at DH, except he kept hitting the ball on the ground. They also went with the switch hitting catcher, which made no difference. Bichette's timing is off and he keeps striking out. Guerrero is still fighting his tendency to hit balls into the ground towards third base. Springer and Hernandez has some hits, but with the 2 outs between them could not produce any runs. So, one of those nights, but it looks like they fielded the right guys.

For the rest of the series, Kirk shouldn't DH. I expect to see Tapia or Zimmer in there. Biggio has never been great against high heat and you got Cole and Severino coming up.

Jonny German - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:19 AM EDT (#412225) #
The front office has appeared to play service time games with their very best prospects - Guerrero and Pearson - but have also shown themselves willing to aggressively promote guys when there's a need - Kirk and Manoah.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Moreno given the current catching mess. On merit, they should probably have him join the team next Tuesday in Boston. And they can do that even if they want to manipulate his service time - just send him back to AAA when Jansen is healthy.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:25 AM EDT (#412226) #
Also, if a player like Collins was available just prior to the season in exchange for McGuire, would a similar (or better) player have been equally, if not more, available a month or two into the season once injuries start to mount across baseball? Even assuming trading McGuire was a reasonable idea, why do it right before the start of the season? There was no obstacle to carry McGuire during the period of expanded rosters.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:26 AM EDT (#412227) #
* carrying
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 08:28 AM EDT (#412228) #
I agree with what has been said here.  I will add that the McGuire trade was particularly ill-advised given the heavy schedule early in the year.  The significance of a possible early-season catcher injury was obvious and a number of us commented on it immediately. 

Jonny is right, and I'd go further.  The club should (tacitly) admit its error and promote Moreno now. 
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#412229) #
I agree. Moreno doesn't even have to catch all that much. He could start some games at DH and get the occasional start at C against a weaker opponent (in a lower-pressure environment than Yankee Stadium). I imagine he's currently a better hitter and catcher than Collins and Heineman, and this is a year when every win counts for the Jays. Or do they want a repeat of 2021 when they wished they could have a do-over of just one of their botched games?
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 08:57 AM EDT (#412231) #
Precisely my reasoning, greenfrog.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#412232) #
And I'll still say that the bench isn't the real issue here.

Jays had maybe the easiest offensive hole to fill at DH this offseasln and they decided in this contending year that they just didn't need one.

And so here we are starting AAA catchers at DH in Yankee stadium in the 2nd series of the season because of just one single injury.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#412233) #
For me the big take away is that this FO is not behind Kirk at all. Looks to me like he is DH/ back up catcher they way the front office is using him.

Maybe they couldn't extract good trade value for him which seems, amazing considering his hit tool and the expanded DH into the NL. Moreno will be up after a month. They are likely allowing him some time to catch up considering he had little to no spring training and just arrived into the country a week ago.
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:17 AM EDT (#412234) #
If the bench had been McGuire, Katoh, Biggio and Zimmer, you could easily split the catching duties between Kirk and McGuire with Kirk also DHing some times and then use the other bench players to give the other players a DH day during this 30 games in 31 day stretch.  It would have been a perfectly reasonable adaptation to the circumstances.  That ship has sailed. 

Per Fangraphs, McGuire has been a 2.4 WAR player over 407 major league PAs in his career.  That's about as valuable overall as a typical everyday DH. 
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#412235) #
sure you could mix and match and fill the DH spot with a good hitter most nights......WHEN the team is fully healthy.

or you could have added a legit good MLB bat and made the team better and deeper.
John Northey - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#412236) #
At this point I don't see why not call up Moreno and send down Collins - Moreno's option is already used so giving him a week in the majors isn't a bad idea. Give him the taste before his full course later this season so to speak. Of course, if he hits the crap out of the ball you might need to keep him up which screws the service time manipulation efforts which might delay him a bit more. We'll see what happens. If they are all-in for 2022 though then using Collins and Heineman over Moreno is very wrong indeed.
Four Seamer - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#412238) #
All good points above about the head scratching treatment of the catcher position, but lost in all this it seems to me is the fact that Alejandro Kirk isn't all that great a hitter to begin with. We're talking about a guy here who has a career OPS+ of 102. The sooner we get Moreno up here, the better.
grjas - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#412239) #
The McGuire trade was definitely odd, and I agree with greenfrog that they likely could have done as well before the May bench reduction if they had carried him for at least a month. The FO has shown a willingness to cut bait quickly, however, so I suspect Collins will be demoted or DFA’d pretty quickly once Jansen is ready or Moreno comes up.

The Jansen injury is a double curse. If Moreno is the real deal, Jansen becomes expendable soon and with a big year could command some nice trade capital. But it will likely be a while not only to rejoin the team, but to start swinging with abandon.

Your point is valid UO that 1 injury has exposed a weak bench. Even 1 solid, experienced hitter would have helped.
Nigel - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#412240) #
This team really could have used Michael Brantley. Speaking of ships sailing. The lineup really needs a middle order LH bat and has done so for some time.

There was some logic to the Collins trade but the logic was swamped by the risk of injury. A case of cute asset management getting in the way of winning today. Montoyo has since made the problem worse. All relatively minor issues so far but the could add up over the next month.
scottt - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#412242) #
I don't think Collins was plan B or even plan C. A lot of things must have fallen through before that.
scottt - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#412243) #
They were on some the left bats available and came up empty.
Some guys got some big contracts but I don't think that was the problem.
Not everybody wants to come to Toronto.
That was true even before the pandemic. Now there's the border and the families as well.
And they still want to use the DH to load manage some guys who will probably need it.

They could still find a platoon DH at the deadline and that might be enough.
And the bar to make the playoffs is lower, so waiting to make the best move at the deadline might be best.

uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#412244) #
"We're talking about a guy here who has a career OPS+ of 102"

An ops+ of 102 in your first 240 career plate appearances at ages 21-22 is very good, of course.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#412245) #
"so waiting to make the best move at the deadline might be best."

Last year we waited until the deadline to make SP upgrades that were obvious needs before the season started and it cost us a playoffs spot.
scottt - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#412246) #
Kirk was scheduled to catch the 4th starter, which he did and he was great.
He got a rest with the 5th starter and they still wanted him in the lineup at DH against a lefty.

He's not going to catch 7 days a week.
He might get pulled for a pitch runner regularly which doesn't mean they don't trust him.
He just can't run at all.

scottt - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#412248) #
The real trouble will be to find playing time for Jansen, Kirk and Moreno.
In the meanwhile they might be missing Jansen's bat for a month but that was true as well last year and he was playing.

Is Moreno ready? Kirk basically skipped AAA, so something might happen but it's more about not rushing Moreno than worrying about his service time. Moreno could be one of the guys willing to sign a big extension anyway.

Mike Green - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#412249) #
Alejandro Kirk hasn't been hitting the ball hard at all so far, as compared with the last 2 years (avg exit velocity 85 mph).  Jansen and Espinal have teamed up and stolen his mojo!  The playing time wars have gotten nasty. 
Four Seamer - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#412250) #
An ops+ of 102 in your first 240 career plate appearances at ages 21-22 is very good, of course. Sure, it portends a future as a plus bat, but I am suggesting that the machinations to get his bat in the lineup in the here and now are puzzling given that his contributions have been marginal. I agree with the broader point you have been making for some time here that the Jays ought to have been looking to add another impact bat, although you and I may disagree as to where the weak link is at the moment.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#412251) #
I know nobody liked him but Grichuk was at least a decent bench player, as was McGuire.

And even then I wouldn't have called the bench a strength - but the last two pre-season moves being to ditch those guys for AAAA fodder to make a weak bench even weaker is pretty puzzling, especially since they didn't even save any money doing it.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#412252) #
Grichuk generated 1.4 WAR in 1404 PA from 2019-2021. That is...not good. Especially given his 5/$52m contract.

Compare that to, say, Kiermaier, who posted 5.4 WAR in 1029 PA over that same timeframe.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#412253) #
But we need to compare him to Tapia, not Kiermaier.
Polite Nate - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#412254) #
Well they've succeeded in collecting a bunch of lefty bats to come off the bench. Unfortunately, they only ones that I want any of these lefties pinch hitting for are each other.

At the end of the day I can't get too worked up as to the quality of the 3rd and 4th catchers on the depth chart. Its the starting pitching that has me nervous so far, but even then it's way too early for panic yet.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#412255) #
I was comparing him to hypothetical "decent bench player." Hypothetical player came out significantly ahead.
scottt - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#412257) #
I don't remember McGuire or Grichuk pinch hitting.
I think Zimmer should be fine in center. That's where the need was.
I'm not sold on Tapia. We'll see.

We had Tellez on the bench and he wasn't hitting.
Biggio hasn't looked right.

The Yankees have Marwin Gonzalez, Trevino and I'm not sure who the 3rd guy is. Torres? LeMahieu?

DavidtheDeuce - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#412258) #
The stars have to produce for this team to win enough games to make the playoffs. I am not concerned about the bench costing this team wins.
jerjapan - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#412259) #
Ahh man, I missed this, talking about third string catchers and such.  This team looks great, so no doubt only marginal improvements to be made at the moment unless we go nuts and promote Moreno.  I'm definitely okay with whatever they do with him as long as they have a good plan for his development.  If they think he's ready to contribute and develop in the bigs right now, make the move.
Guys like Palacios, Collins and McGuire are interchangeable depth to my mind.  So were several of the prospects we dealt for Chapman, making that deal even better. 

McGuire is going to regress offensively at some point and was out of options.  The team sees something in Collins bat - he has pedigree as a former first rounder - and he has an option left. 

the weird thing to my mind is the magician guy.  but that's a cool enough story to warrant a promotion to my mind.  that's both true and demonstrative of how significant I feel this sort of move to be.  At the moment, I trust what these guys are doing, and I was an early Shapiro / Atkins skeptic.  They have pretty much done what they said they were going to do.
Atkins has always been under Shapiro's shadow somewhat, but he seems to be an increasingly effective GM to me.  Is this the year he starts to get some respect as one of the better GMs in the game?
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#412260) #
2war/yr is more than a decent bench player tho.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#412261) #
I think Atkins and Shapiro have done a good job generally, but I don’t think that’s a reason to give them a free pass on all recent or future moves. Collins and Heineman are o-fer so far with some poor catching (including an airmailed throw over first base to cash in a Yankees run last night).

If you’re interested in seeing what a broad swath of baseball fans think about McGuire versus Collins, check out the comments in the MLBTR trade thread:
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#412262) #
Raimel Tapia gets a start for Gurriel Jr.  who DHs today.  Gurriel Jr. has had a world of trouble against Gerrit Cole, but small sample alert.  We're still waiting on Zimmer's debut...
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#412263) #
"Ahh man, I missed this, talking about third string catchers and such."

3rd string catchers that start at DH, you mean.
jerjapan - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#412264) #
Yeah, for sure that's stupid on the surface.  But assuming there was some reason for the move, what's the impact?  A few poor ABs in one game?

Take a look at the Leafs.  Their third and forth string goalies have actually mattered this season. 

Depth matters, and I think this secondary tier of players - your Collins and McGuires - just don't really matter as much as org philosophy.  That's going to lead to weird decisions, but this is 162 games, 40+ players, a support staff ...

I mean, there are reasons things that seem dumb to us fans make sense to the team. 
bpoz - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#412265) #
All good opinions.

#3 catchers in the DH position is just wrong.

The stars have to perform!! Berrios is on tonight. Have a good game.

The bench most likely does not lose the playoff spot. I remember Goins in 2017 becoming a regular due to Travis and Tulo injuries. Not his fault. IMO he did great.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#412266) #
Looks like Clayton Kershaw is in mid-season form.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#412267) #
Vladdy seems to be in mid-season form, too!
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#412268) #
That's a nice gritty inning by Berrios.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#412269) #
Another oblique strain. Can we blame the lockout?
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#412270) #
Can't say i liked defensive OF Tapia's defense on that "double".
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#412271) #
Can't say i liked defensive OF Tapia

There's generally a good reason when outfielders as fast as Tapia end up playing mostly LF.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#412272) #
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#412273) #
Ooh Buck is ITCHING to lay into this new pitcher tech. Biting his tongue something fierce.
Polite Nate - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#412274) #
I think both him and Pat have said they really like the system actually. I really liked it during spring but wondered if it would work as well with real crowds and it clearly isn't there yet.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#412275) #
That was yummy, yimi.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#412276) #
I notice the umpires are still checking the pitchers between innings, but they're not looking at caps and belts. It looks like they're just checking whether his throwing hand is sticky.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#412277) #
Good to hear.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#412278) #
He's a beautiful boy.
grjas - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#412279) #
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#412280) #
Did we just pinch bunt again.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#412281) #
Heineman was already in the game. Biggio pinch ran for Kirk in the 7th.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#412282) #
Phew! Thanks....great bunt then!

P.s. remember when vladdy almost left the game with injury?
hypobole - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#412283) #
Vladdy might as well wear the jacket up to the plate.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#412284) #
Very, very strange to bunt with one out unless it's a pitcher hitting... oh, right. Heineman. Maybe even more important, they were already up by a couple.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#412285) #
Obviously Vladdy is having an unbelievable game. But in all seriousness — is his hand OK? I haven’t been able to watch the game and I just read that he got spiked.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#412286) #
Well, since he got spiked he's hit two enormous homers and lined a double.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#412287) #
That cameraman can go straight to hell.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#412288) #
Yeah I think his hand is OK.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#412289) #
Players are lining up and asking Aaron Hicks "please, stomp on my hand too."
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#412290) #
That win is all sorts of satisfying. A lot of big clutch plays by our key players all game long.

And yes, thank Hicks and his blessed spikes.
BlueJayWay - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#412291) #
Yankees fought the Vlad and the Vlad won.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#412292) #
uglyone - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#412293) #
Vladdy hit this 427 feet.

greenfrog - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#412294) #
Gausman on the mound for the potential series win tomorrow. Nice.

Fingers crossed that Teo’s injury is relatively mild.
Gerry - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#412295) #
Love that Stirling call.

Vladdy got two stiches in his finger after the game.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#412296) #
Gerrit Cole: "If you had a cap, you'd tip it too. My goodness."
Magpie - Wednesday, April 13 2022 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#412297) #
John Sterling's call of the Stanton AB in the eighth is just classic:

The pitch. Here's the 1-0. SWUNG ON, THERE IT GOES! DEEP LEFT-CENTRE! THAT BALL IS HIGH! IT IS FAR! IT IS GONE.... but caught. At the wall, caught by Tapia. Boy, I thought that was gone.
Nigel - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 12:35 AM EDT (#412298) #
The Jays made two contentious decisions about their bench in the waning days of spring - 3rd C and 4th OF. 6 games in and lo and behold those are the two positions that have come to the fore through injury. That’s the amazing thing about baseball. The ball always seems to find you. Over 162 - all decisions get tested.
ISLAND BOY - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 06:36 AM EDT (#412300) #
I had no issue in the Jays trading McGuire or Grichuk but I feel like they got lesser players back in return. Collins has shown nothing and Tapia brings back memories of Derek Fisher. Gurriel gets ripped for his defense sometimes but I think he would have made that catch down the left field line that Tapia botched. Grichuk had passable defense and could rip some home runs. Tapia can barely get it out of the infield.

What a monster game for Vlad!
scottt - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 07:51 AM EDT (#412301) #
Quietly, Yimi Garcia has been really good.

So, maybe Katoh comes back?

Severino in his return gave up 2 runs on 5 hits in 3 innings and then was done.
That's better than was Berrios did.

Glevin - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 09:11 AM EDT (#412303) #
"I had no issue in the Jays trading McGuire or Grichuk but I feel like they got lesser players back in return. Collins has shown nothing and Tapia brings back memories of Derek Fisher. Gurriel gets ripped for his defense sometimes but I think he would have made that catch down the left field line that Tapia botched. Grichuk had passable defense and could rip some home runs. Tapia can barely get it out of the infield."

Tapia is almost certainly a better fielder than Grichuk. McGuire is definitely a better player than Collins but also had no options so his actual value was almost zero. also, if you are complaining about your 5th OFer and 3rd catcher, you know things are going well.

@Ugly, I saw that picture and it's just insane. Vlad is a generational talent. I feel so lucky as a Jays fan.
bpoz - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#412304) #
I must definitely enjoy this window. There will be ups and downs but hopefully we will be flying high.
92-93 - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 09:34 AM EDT (#412305) #
Grichuk is almost certainly a better fielder than Tapia, and he wasn't the 5th OF. He was essentially an everyday player on this roster and they traded him away for an inferior player who was supposedly a better fit. They followed that up with the actual trade they should have made all winter, acquiring a LH bat who could handle CF. Randal made a heck of a catch to rob a HR the other night, check it out.

Hopefully Teoscar doesn't miss too much time, because without him (and with Tapia in there every day) the lineup looks a lot weaker. Guerrero should bat #2 anyway, but with Hernandez out it's an even better time to protect him with Bichette.

Vladdy may have escaped serious injury this time, but eventually one of these errant Bichette throws is going to cost the team.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#412306) #
He (Grichuk) was essentially an everyday player on this roster

That's true.  Whether that is a good thing or not is a matter of opinion. 

Let's see- we're six games into the season and there have already been two games which no one will forget by the end of the season, and one that most of us will likely not forget for decades (last night's).  Much needed fun. The second home run was really something- even if you guess that the pitcher is going to come inside with a fastball (which Guerrero Jr. must have), to hit that pitch at 98 off the plate inside out of the park on a line 420 feet requires unique ability.  The spiked (impaled?) hand just added to the mythic quality. 
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#412308) #
Underrated play of the game was espinal's over the shoulder catch to prevent the go ahead run.

I sure hope he can keep hitting because it's real nice having that kind of D.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#412309) #
On the hitting side (OPS+):
On fire:
Danny Jansen: 494
Vlad: 273
Springer: 209
Teo: 171

Espinal: 99
Chapman: 79

Bo: 64 (plus all those bad throws)
Gurriel: 21

Really Bad:
Kirk: -20
Biggio: -36
Tapia: -43
Collins / Heineman / Zimmer are 0-for-8 combined, for -100 OPS+ each.  

Two of the 4 guys carrying the team so far are now hurt. And you can't really ask MORE of Vlad/Springer. Springer so far has been as good / better than advertised, IMHO. If he doesn't miss half the season last year, I think we make a strong run at winning it all.

REALLY need one of Bo/Gurriel/Biggio/Kirk to start swinging the bat more like their usual selves.

I'll mostly skip pitching, since only Manoah has more than 5.1 IP so far (and those are stellar 6 IP, as well as 4 great IP from Romano - 4 saves already??). Berrios' 2nd start was encouraging. I'm worried Ryu has fallen off a cliff..
vw_fan17 - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:12 AM EDT (#412310) #
The spiked (impaled?) hand just added to the mythic quality. 

So, his nickname is going to be Vlad the Impalee? Or Vlad the Impaled (not the same cadence as Impaler, though).
scottt - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#412311) #
So far the Jays have shifted more than anybody else.
Lots of 4 men outfields too.

If Zimmer can just play good defense and get on base as the 9th guy, it might be just fine.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#412312) #
The long-awaited follow-up to Don't Fear The Reaper- Don’t Impale The Impaler.
Nigel - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:39 AM EDT (#412313) #
Fingers crossed that Vladdy doesn’t wake up today and remember he got spiked on the hand.

I just don’t see any evidence that Tapia is actually a capable defender, regardless of the tools. While only likely a marginal upgrade, I hope Charlie rides Zimmer tonight and in other situations where OF defense should be the determinant.
bpoz - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#412314) #
If we need a ready impact bat from the farm then only Moreno qualifies.

Biggio platoon/bench, Jansen and Kirk Bench/DH/C will get a chance to make an impact.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#412315) #
It's worth remembering that the overall goal is to make the postseason (ideally by winning the division) and also to have a terrific team in October that can go far in the playoffs. There will likely be some upgrades at certain positions before the trade deadline. This could include another impact bat, a starting pitcher, and a dominant bullpen arm or two. The roster will look different six months from now.
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#412316) #
Biggio is going to get a nice extended chance to show he can hit again, at least. here's hoping.
Cracka - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#412317) #
I agree - I'd like to see Biggio in the lineup every day while Teo is out, either in RF or at DH. Give him regular ABs and give him a chance to play his way into the lineup regularly for the rest of the season. Espinal becomes the regular at 2B (if not already), and Katoh can become the backup IF.
grjas - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#412318) #
Good to see Berrios with 4 good innings before fading. We need the starters to step up to offset Teo and Jansen injuries as well as some of the hitters.
hypobole - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#412319) #
Tuesday was the first game in AAA with the ABS system, so I watched an inning and a half of the Charlotte/Memphis game. No issues. No complaining.

When it was first tried in the independent league, one problem was the delay between the pitch and the call, but I didn't see that Tuesday. Only once did I see the batter talk to the ump. Gorman struck out on an outside pitch and he turned back to the ump as he walked away, apparently asking whether the pitch he swung at was a strike. The PCL systems (I think about 10) will start later this season.
SK in NJ - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#412320) #
Atkins is definitely going to add reinforcements during the season. The question is going to be how this current roster holds up until then. The Hernandez injury really hurts, especially if he's out for a while, as there's no doubt in my mind Tapia is going to get the bulk of the playing time in Tesocar's absence. Grichuk is better than Tapia, but he's been a ~90 wRC+ and 0.5 WAR level talent for 3 years now. It's not a big loss. McGuire, in hindsight, hurts more since the catchers aside from Kirk/Jansen/Moreno either can't catch at the big league level or don't belong in the big leagues to begin with.

I'd start looking at tanking teams and seeing how early they are willing to offload some of their talent. Maybe Josh Bell from the Nats, Tyler Naquin from the Reds, etc. Combine that with a mid-season Moreno call up, and it would make a world of difference.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#412321) #
I wouldn’t expect much in the way of short-term reinforcements. The overwhelming majority of significant in-season trades happen around the trade deadline.
Four Seamer - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#412323) #
Good to see Berrios with 4 good innings before fading. I know exactly what you mean by this, grjas, but I must confess my initial reaction was "man, an average salary of $18.7 million just does not go as far as it used to."
bpoz - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#412324) #
It is good to plan for 8 SPs to get through the season. #6 is likely Stripling. Then who knows.
Gerry - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#412326) #
Katoh is in New York, presumably for Teoscar.
92-93 - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#412327) #
10 years ago the Marlins signed Mark Buehrle at 33 to a 4/58 deal coming off a season in which he went 13-9 with a 3.59era and 109 Ks in 205IP. If people are expecting Berrios to be a bona fide ace, they really need to temper their expectations. Those guys cost 40MM+ on the open market, and 35MM over longer deals.
John Northey - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#412328) #
bpoz - very true. Last year the Jays used 16 starting pitchers, 6 with 10+ starts, 4 more with 2-5 starts, and 6 with just 1 start each. In 2015 they used 12 starters to win the east. 6 with 10+, 5 with 2-5 starts, and 1 who started just once. 2016 went as smoothly as one coudl ever hope for starters, with just 7 used, 1 for 2 starts (Drew Hutchison), 1 for 8 (Liriano), and 5 with 29-32 starts (Stroman/Happ/Sanchez/Estrada/Dickey).

This year we have the core 5 (Berrios/Gausman/Ryu/Manoah/Kikuchi) then ready for immediate use Stripling, then Pearson/Kay/Allgeyer (2 starts, 11 IP, 3 H 2 BB 13 K 1 ER) then whoever is hot I suspect. I'd bet on Stripling getting 5 or so starts, then it'll depend on who is hot and healthy when opportunity strikes.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#412329) #
The six top pitchers for 2019-21 per fWAR: Jacob DeGrom, Gerrit Cole, Zack Wheeler, Max Scherzer, Lance Lynn, Charlie Morton.  Morton signed for 17.5M AAV after 2020.  Lynn signed for less than 10M AAV after 2018.  Wheeler signed for about 23.5M AAV after 2019. 
Berrios was, by the way, 13th in the list. 

Anyways, Berrios looked better.  He's still not as sharp as he can be, but he's getting there. 
Petey Baseball - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#412330) #
Would love to Berrios' numbers as a member of the Twins vs the Tigers, Royals, and White Sox three teams that until last years version of the Sox were bad, bad offensive teams. This is not to slander him, only to say that the success he had in Minnesota no doubt was affected.

So I agree with '92-93's point about expecting to see an ace and ending up with a mid-rotation guy. Maybe this means that instead of getting Jose Ramirez from the Guardians, we're looking to get Shane Bieber.

My way-to early question is this: If the Angels falter again this season, does Mike Trout and/or Ohtani get dealt?
scottt - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#412331) #
Just watched the A's take 3 of 4 in the Trop.

Smith had his first hit and first walk and he's now 1 for 19.
McKinney also had a walk and he's now 2 for 19. He also moved to 1B at the end and couldn't find the base on a grounder to 2B.
Danny Jimenez pitched very well and grabbed his first save.
He was very accurate with his off-speed at the bottom of the zone and high fastballs.

A few guys having hot starts, but it looks like the Rays pitching wasn't that great.

hypobole - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#412332) #
McKinney also had the defensive play of the game. With Kiermaier at 1st, ran a long way into foul ground to make a catch, slid, spun around and threw a dart to 2nd to prevent the runner advancing. And that play at 1st was a terrible throw by the 2B.

Dany did look good though. Impressive for a guy returned twice in the Rule 5 and who couldn't crack the 38 pitchers we used last year.
scottt - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#412333) #
Actually no, the problem was that McKinney went after the ball before retreating which led to the tentative throw.
He wasn't back fast enough to find the bag after the throw which would have been routine otherwise.
It took Guerrero a while to find out which ball to charge and which ball to leave alone.

Magpie - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#412334) #
[Berrios] as a member of the Twins vs the Tigers, Royals, and White Sox

vs Detroit: 5-2, 5.28 in 11 starts
vs Kansas City: 6-4, 4.54 in 18 starts
vs Chicago: 12-5, 3.12 in 21 starts
hypobole - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#412335) #
Your correct, scottt. The play I was thinking of happened an inning earlier, with Neuse at 1st.
scottt - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#412336) #
Berrios is a lot like Manoah. Moving fastball. Great slider. So-so change.
So the value is for tons of innings with a decent floor.
He's not Cole.

Ducey - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#412338) #
Cole gives up too many homers, lol
greenfrog - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#412339) #
I think Manoah’s stuff is more explosive than Berrios’. Also, he’s a lot bigger than Berrios (6 inches taller, 55 lbs. heavier).

Berrios was very good for Toronto last year (about a #2 starter level). His performance with the Jays was comparable to, if not slightly better than, his performance with the Twins in the first half. Unless something changes (such as an injury or decline in his stuff) I think he’ll do just fine this year.
grjas - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#412340) #
Yeah I think we have two number 2’s in Berrios and Gausman. Manoah gives us a third guy with 2 potential and May be even #1. Ryu and Kikuchi…who knows.

I agree with earlier posts that Biggio should get a regular chance to perform between second (rarely), outfield and DH. Hopefully both he and Espinal are in the lineup almost everyday.

It will be interesting to see who hits behind VG. With Hernandez out, he may be walking a lot.
John Northey - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#412341) #
A staff of #2's would be wonderful depending on ones definition of a #2. Jays of the past. 20+ starts only (so no Price or Sanchez 2015 as both had 11 starts).  Using just playoff teams
The key point being having a real #1 (150+ ERA+) isn't needed to win.  Of the last 4 full season playoff teams here in Toronto only 1 had that - barely in Guzman with a 154 in 1992.  Heck, 1993's WS winners didn't even have a guy over 115, and just 2 with a 100.  Yes, offense can win a division and title.  This years team should be fine with Manoah (I see him as the new Dave Stieb/Roy Halladay guy - a real ace who can eat innings and shut down opponents), Berrios and Gausman (both solid #2's maybe #1's on a good year ala Jimmy Key/Mark Buehrle - just one season over 150 between the two of them, but a few 140's, lots of 120's/130's).  Ryu is on fumes at this stage of his career - the Jays and all others wanted to sign him to a 3 year deal max and with good reason (this is year 3 - year 4 will be ugly I suspect, he might become a Sunday starter - starts once a week at most).  We'll see with Kikuchi.  I see this team as being a lot like the 2016 one for pitching, but the 1993 one for offense (WAMCO - who added a hot Tony Fernandez and a cold Rickey Henderson mid-season - 2nd in runs in the AL).

Btw, Vlad's stats so far are fun to read - 391/417/957 for a 1.373 OPS, while Bo's aren't 222/222/370.  Ugh.  But dang was Jansen off to a killer start - 571/625/1.571 over 3 games.  Sigh. 
grjas - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#412342) #
I think the high performance team that Semien liked needs to go back to the drawing board to figure out off season regimens for obliques. Real shame losing 2 of the 3 hottest hitters…(and almost the third…though training doesn’t help with errant cleats.)

On the flip side, they are winning despite much of the lineup starting slowly. If the Bichettes, Gurriel, Kirks, and Chapmans get rolling they’ll keep the runs up.
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#412343) #
For me Berrios 1st start was just one of those opening day things (saw Roy do that once too.)

His second start was just that the yanks have good hitters.
Waveburner - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#412344) #
Personally I think the negativity regarding Ryu, both here and every other Jays site I check out, will look a little silly at the end of the season. He hasn't lost anything off his stuff, he just wasn't locating his pitches as well as he normally does at the end of last season, for whatever reason. Control and command are not usually what fades when a pitcher starts to decline, it's the velocity and stuff that fades and forces pitchers to try and command their pitches better to survive. I think he has a good chance to lead the staff in ERA.
Nigel - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#412345) #
Tapia batting 5th is ... jarring? I wonder who Charlie thinks they actually acquired in that deal?
Dr B - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#412346) #
Mike Green - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#412347) #
Having Tapia in the 5 slot has got to make the opposing pitcher feel pretty confident. Short offense today.
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#412348) #
grjas - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#412350) #
Tapia at 5th..I guess he is trying to break up the righties, but you’d think Biggio would be the better choice if that was the plan.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#412351) #
I think I would prefer Kirk hitting 5th in the lineup, even against a tough righty. Tapia did have an OK plate appearance in the first inning, though (line out to the third baseman).
Magpie - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#412352) #
Donaldson isn't lying. Gibbons had him lead off for 7 games in May 2015. He hit a couple of homers and never led off again.
Magpie - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#412353) #
An infield hit for Alejandro Kirk.

There are no words.
krose - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#412354) #
The Biggio walk looked encouraging.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#412355) #
But there is a number: 20 (Kirk’s speed on the 20-80 scale).

Maybe he can crank it up to 25 when he senses the possibility of an infield hit?

Dr. Zarco - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#412356) #
Oof. Two RBI singles by the 9 hitter with exit velo’s of 85 and 74mph. That’s some rough luck for Gausman, who has pitched well. Need some offense. Which is a big ask out of this lineup.
Nigel - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#412357) #
Kirk is having much better ABs tonight.
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#412358) #
Genius hitting Tapia 4th.
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#412359) #
5th I mean of course.

Chapman pitching funny.
uglyone - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#412360) #
Aroldis might be broken.
Dr. Zarco - Thursday, April 14 2022 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#412361) #
Well 5 pitches to two if the Jays best hitters makes quick work of a comeback. Ouch.
greenfrog - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 12:35 AM EDT (#412362) #
Gausman was solid tonight but that was a disappointing game. The Jays had some opportunities (bases loaded in the second and ninth innings) but couldn’t convert. Fielding mistakes (Gurriel, Espinal) and base running mistakes (Chapman) hurt the team. The home plate ump made some questionable calls against the Jays in key situations.
John Northey - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 01:25 AM EDT (#412363) #
Don't have the most recent game yet, but here are ump scorecards for the others...

I suspect today's will be ugly.  Lots of very bad ball-strike calls.  They can't bring in roboumps quickly enough imo.  I suspect guys like Biggio and Vlad also can't wait for that change.  Might hurt Manoah though.

lexomatic - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 07:01 AM EDT (#412364) #
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That Hoye game is one of the worst I've seen for impact and low accuracy.have seen lower accuracy but also lower impact. I think that's the highest impact I've seen this season too.
grjas - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 08:28 AM EDT (#412365) #
While Severino was clearly nasty, 4 strikeouts for VG is still surprising and you have to wonder if his hand is now bothering him. Guess we’ll know shortly.

Time for the rest of the lineup to get the lead out. A lot of guys are having trouble hitting their weight.
electric carrot - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 09:15 AM EDT (#412366) #
I think Vladdy hit a couple of homers in game three that were outside the zone. Last night he was swinging a bit like his old man -- and seems to have temporarily lost the plate discipline that makes him actually a better hitter than his Pops. Let's hope it's temporary.
Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#412367) #
Stripling gets the start today.  It seemed a bit odd to me to give him a start right before the only off-day in a month.  While Ryu gets the extra day of rest, it means Berrios, Gausman and Kikuchi pitch on 6 days rest their next turn.  So I checked how they've done in that situation.  Berrios and Gausman have pitched very well on 6+ days of rest; Kikuchi not so much (a 5.83 ERA with a .506 slugging percentage against).  Kikuchi is scheduled to start the opening game of the Red Sox series in Boston on Tuesday and there's a pretty good chance that this one ends up as a bullpen game, which would not be ideal for the first game of 20 in a row.  Trade-offs. 
Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#412368) #
I think Vladdy hit a couple of homers in game three that were outside the zone. Last night he was swinging a bit like his old man -- and seems to have temporarily lost the plate discipline that makes him actually a better hitter than his Pops. Let's hope it's temporary.

It would help if Montoyo kept Tapia out of the middle of the order permanently.  Guerrero Jr. shouldn't try to carry the load all by himself during Hernandez' absence, but it doesn't help when the manager creates conditions that make it seem like he should. 
scottt - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#412369) #
I'm not crazy about Stripling starting either, but I'm sure they have considered all the options carefully.
For this series, we get Stripling instead of Kikuchi and Manoah gets an extra day of rest which is probably fine since he hasn't had a regular start on 5 days yet and they have to limit his innings somewhat. Then of course, Ryu on 6 is way better.

scottt - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#412370) #
I am not sure what you are suggesting here.
The bottom of the lineup has not been good.
Exception is Espinal and he's crashing down to earth plus, it might be better to have a good bat 9th then 5th or 6th.

Tapia is a career .700 OPS. He's having a slow start. Tellez was like that last year.

Kirk got a couple of hits, but the first one was an out if someone is on base.
Gurriel runs poorly and Kirk runs very poorly. It probably takes 3 singles in a row to score Kirk from first.
Key to scoring with guys like Zimmer, Tapia, Biggio is good baserunning.

Vlad was swinging on stuff outside because these balls were called strike earlier.
Everything within 8 inches of the plate against the top of the order was called a strike.
Severino threw almost exclusively outside and hit a batter or two. 

Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#412371) #
Tapia had a 700 OPS in Colorado.  He's a career 80 OPS+.  Champan is at 120, Biggio is at 106, Kirk is at 105,  Espinal is at 103.  Those 4 players, in some order, ought to be your 5-8 hitters on most nights with Hernandez out of the lineup.  Tapia ought to be hitting 8th or 9th when in the lineup. 
Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#412372) #
*Chapman.  Where is Blue Jay auto-correct when you need it?
92-93 - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#412373) #
Tapia is a career .242/.283/.319 on the road, and he shouldn't hit in front of anybody until he proves otherwise. Batting him 5th is absolutely ridiculous.

To quote Pat Tabler, Bradley Zimmer looks like a baseball player.

Gausman is off to a nice start, hindered by some poor fielding - 10.2ip 14h 5er 0bb 14k. Great job by Mayza getting a key out with 2 runners on to keep the game close.
Nigel - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#412374) #
These should be the Tapia Rules and enforced strictly against Charlie’s other instincts: a) Tapia is still only the 4th or 5th best corner OF option (Biggio is a better option in most ball parks) and should get playing time as such; b) Tapia is a break in case of emergency only CF; and c) should bat 8th or 9th as the others have said. Frankly, his primary role on the team should be pinch runner.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#412376) #
On the plus side, Gausman, Berrios and Manoah all look they should be mostly decent going forward. It was unfortunate for Kikuchi that Jansen got hurt because they had worked together in spring training a lot and Jansen was familiar with his pitches and how to use them best. I'm not confident in Ryu at all but maybe he'll have the odd good game.

Losing Marcus Semien is a big hole to fill. He played every day and had a great year hitting.
bpoz - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#412377) #
Semien is off to a slow start. Ray has had 1 good and 1 bad start. SSS.
christaylor - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#412379) #
The YES crew commented that they see this version of Chapman on occasion and were not surprised. If he has no fastball command he's not going to be effective. Too bad the Jays could not capitalize and the other Chapman was too aggressive on the bases. It is early but looks like we traded for the 2021 version of Chapman -- here's hoping that he looks better going forward.
Chuck - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#412380) #
*Chapman. Where is Blue Jay auto-correct when you need it?

At least Champan is close. I have been calling him Matt Williams all season.

Petey Baseball - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#412381) #
I think Mike Green makes a great point about Vladdy feeling like he has to hit home runs last night. I think the entire team might feel that way when they see a manager/front office roll out a lineup as flawed as that. I've coached 17-20 year old competitive teams the last couple summers and if I've learned one thing to keep morale normal it's put the best team out there. If the team sees you mucked up the batting order one night, or played a guy out of position, etc, it definitely affects the mindset of the team. Of course they'll go out there and play hard regardless, but why make a hard game even harder by mailing in the lineup.
greenfrog - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#412382) #
I've said this before but I think Montoyo is a good manager when circumstances are optimal: the SP goes 5-7 innings, the bullpen arms can be used appropriately for an inning at a time to hold a lead or keep the game close, the lineup is healthy and deep, etc. When things start to go off the rails with injuries or cratering performance, though, the decision-making can get a bit wonky.
scottt - Friday, April 15 2022 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#412395) #
Chapman hasn't hit well in 3 years. There's a reason he got the night off.
This is April and a bunch of guys have found their timing yet.
So, who hits where matters very little outside of the star players.
I think Montoyo is trying not to move folks up and down so they don't feel more pressure.

John Northey - Saturday, April 16 2022 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#412472) #
And the final Ump Scorecard for this series...

Clearly this ump has no idea where the bottom of the strike zone is.
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