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The road trip, off to a shaky start, continues with four games in Olde Fenway Park.

You surely heard about how Rafael Devers' season began with five utterly miserable games: 0-19, with 15 strikeouts.

Yeah, so much for that. In the five games since, Devers has gone 10-19 (.526/.625/.842) and whiffed just twice.

Alex Bregman, the man who moved Devers from 3B to DH, is settling in quite nicely (.341/.383/.591) and leads the AL in Hits and Doubles.

The Sox decided they weren't too worried when Krisatian Campbell, the 22 year old rookie pencilled in for second base, went 8-48 this spring. He went north with the ball club, and once they started playing games that actually count, Campbell immediately started hitting. Ten games into his MLB career, he sports a sweet .364/.476/.667 slash line. It's all downhill from here, kid.

Outfielder Masataka Yoshida is on the IL, along with almost half a pitching staff: starters Lucas Giolito and Brayan Bello, relievers Liam Hendriks, Kutter Crawford, Patrick Sandoval, and Chris Murphy. Hunter Dobbins started for them yesterday - it was his MLB debut. Tonight's starter, Richard Fitts, made his MLB debut a week ago against Texas.

And RF Wilyer Abreu is hitting .483/.595/.897 - really, he is - and moreover, each of those figures leads the league. 

It's the Slash Line Triple Crown, as opposed to the more famous one (HR, RBI, BAVG). Time for a tangent....

The traditional Triple Crown has been achieved anywhere from 15 to 18 times, depending on when and what you feel like counting. Lots of folks seem to think the game begins with the 20th century, which would eliminatethe first three times the feat was achieved. Fair enough - I suppose I'm also willing to pass over Paul Hines in 1878 and Tip O'Neill in 1887 because the rules and the game and much else was very, very different. Okay, they did it, but still...  So I begin with Hugh Duffy of the mighty Boston Beaneaters in 1894, and from there up to Miguel Cabrera in 2012.

The Slash Line Triple Crown is considerably more common. It's been done more than twice as often as the traditional Triple Crown - 43 times by my count. Rogers Hornsby and Ted Williams are the only players with more than one traditional Triple Crown - each man did it twice - but Williams had five Slash Lines crown (1941, 1942, 1947, 1948, 1957) with two of them - 1942 and 1947 - also being the traditional trilple crown. Hornsby had no less than seven Slash Line Triple Crowns, six in them in consecutive years for the Cardinals and one last time for Boston as he wandered the NL during the back end of his career (1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1928.) He hit for the traditional crown in 1922 and 1925.

Ty Cobb (1909, 1910, 1914, 1917) and Honus Wagner (1904, 1907, 1908, 1909) each had four Slash Line crowns. Cobb also had a traditional Triple Crown in 1909.

Nap Lajoie (1901, 1904), Stan Musial (1943-1948), and Barry Bonds (2002, 2044) each did it twice. Lajoie had a traditional Triple Crown in 1901.

And there are another 17 players who've managed the feat one time: Ed Delahanty (1902), Tris Speaker (1916), Babe Ruth (1924), Chuck Klein (1933), Lou Gehrig (1934), Jimmie Foxx (1938), Mickey Mantle (1956), Frank Robinson (1966), Carl Yastrzemski (1967), Fred Lynn (1979), George Brett (1980), Larry Walker (1999), Todd Helton (2000), Joe Mauer (2009), Miguel Cabrera (2013), Christian Yelich (2019), Juan Soto (2020). Five of those seasons - Klein, Gehrig, Mantle, Robinson, Yastrzemski - also saw the player achieve the traditional Triple Crown. And I do like how Miguel Cabrera did it the traditional way in 2012, and followed that up with his Slash Line triple a year later.

Hey, I don't expect Wilyer Abreu to join any of these groups, so I'm going to have my fun while I can.

Matchups!

Mon 7 April - Lucas (1-0, 0.00) vs Fitts (0-1, 4.50)
Tue 8 April - Berrios (0-1, 6.75) vs Crochet (1-0, 1.38)
Wed 9 April - Gausman (1-1, 3.87) vs Houck (0-1, 6.52)
Thu 10 April - Bassitt (1-0, 0.71) vs Buehler (1-1, 8.68)


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92-93 - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#458382) #
Springer moves up to the 5th spot ahead of Kirk, who really ought to be #7 (or lower) to break up the lefties. Weird order.
knuckeler - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#458386) #
I agree 100%, I was wondering yesterday why in the world was Kirk batting ahead of Springer. In every regard particularly with his great start so far, Toronto is better suited with Springer batting behind Gimenez. What the heck was Schneider thinking, maybe stretching the line up out? Nothing else makes sense to me.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#458393) #
refreshing to see BBox angry at schneider for hitting springer too low in the lineup!
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 07:02 PM EDT (#458398) #
Is Heineman now a better offensive catcher than Kirk?
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#458399) #
Clutch two-out single by Springer to make it 2-0.

Spring of George?
Shoeless Joe - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#458400) #
Nothing like Fenway to bring some life back into your bats.

uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#458401) #
I really enjoy the quality of these plate appearances.

The power had to show up at some point.

(Right?)
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#458402) #
Good PA but the Blue Jays are struggling to break through with a big home run or other extra-base hit with runners on. They’re working so hard in recent games with walks and hits and HBP to nibble away a run or two.
Gerry - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#458403) #
Hagen Danner has cleared waivers so the Jays did not want him back.
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#458404) #
The Blue Jays starting pitching has been really solid this year. And it could get better if Scherzer can stay healthy enough to contribute for a while. Also there should be some reinforcements available eventually (Bloss, Yesavage, Manoah, Tiedemann).
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#458405) #
What a fantastic addition Gimenez was in the off-season.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#458406) #
here you see the thought behind the 3 lefties in a row at the bottom - make the bottom of the order tough as possible on the righty and then if they maybe force them to waste a lefty reliever on the bottom of the order and then bring in pinch hitters anyways.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#458407) #
nice throw kid.

they gotta overturn that.
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#458408) #
So glad Roden made the team. Good all-around player. I think he’s going to heat up and really help the team.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#458409) #
nice. now we can trust Gimenez when he calls for the replay.

huge inning for Berrios there against the top of the order third time thru. gave up a couple hard hit balls but got through it in 10 pitches. 70 pitches thru 6 now.
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#458410) #
Spring of George!
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#458411) #
yes georgie!


and, as Buck loves to say - Wagner is a baseball player.
Glevin - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#458413) #
A lot of smart baseball by the Jays to compensate for lack of power but man that Lukes slide was not part of it. Sure, it was soft but what was the point? Gimenez is such a dynamic player. Kind of hard to believe he only cost Horwitz. Jays have got to hit HR's soon you'd think but I imagine harder today in this weather.
Nigel - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#458414) #
Donnie Baseball must just be grinding hi teeth in this game. Sure, there’s quality AB after quality AB but no one is up there doing damage!!!
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#458415) #
we've already been treated to some fantastic starting pitching this year. that was some clutch stuff from berrios after those two close balls for the leadoff walk.

not there's a need to use any relievers tonight, Schneider.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#458416) #
schneider couldn't help himself.


but nice catch Lukes. that was huge.
knuckeler - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#458417) #
Man am I impressed with Gimenez. He's got great range, quick strong and deadly accurate throws. Ideally you want strong defense up the middle and Toronto now has the best in the world. This should help the pitchers significantly I think.
Plus Gimenez can hit and run.
Now if we can only get some home runs from the big three.
Like how about one?
Nigel - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#458418) #
Garcia doesn’t look good. Nice play by Lukes.
Nigel - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#458419) #
I’d bring in Hoffman. Garcia looks like he could cough up this lead.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#458420) #
love those last few fastballs down the pipe there from Yimi.

Can't be scared of challenging Trevor Story there. very nice.
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#458421) #
Way to hang in there and close out the inning Yimi.
uglyone - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#458422) #
nothing makes me happier than beating boston. especially when it lets us catch them in the standings.

I honestly love the way we're playing this year, but man the power can show up any time please.
Cracka - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#458423) #
Springer is now leading the majors in hitting (.455 avg), just as most of us predicted at the end of Spring Training.
Glevin - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#458424) #
Huge win especially because tomorrow's matchup looks so rough. Just need some guys to start hitting with power.
greenfrog - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#458425) #
I think some mainstream media might be underrating the Blue Jays this year, perhaps because they had a poor year last year and they repeatedly missed out on some top free agents in the off-season. Toronto has the makings of a good team that should be able to contend for a WC spot if they can stay relatively healthy.

The power from Vladdy and Santander will come, probably around 55-65 home runs combined from them.
SK in NJ - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#458426) #
As someone ready to ship Springer out of town, I’m glad he’s started the season hot. A bounce back from him would be huge for this team’s chances. But as others have said, the power has to come. I guess being 6-5 despite being dead last in home runs is probably a good thing as the big bats should eventually start hitting them out but sooner would be better than later.
Marc Hulet - Monday, April 07 2025 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#458428) #
The big difference with Springer is that he's willing to take those outside pitches the other way... it only took two years for home to adjust to the diminished bat speed. He had a nice oppo-hit tonight on an outside offering. If he keeps doing that, he'll see more pitches on the inner half than he can pull.

I'd love to see what kind of hitter Bo could be if he wasn't down 0-2 so often...
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:21 AM EDT (#458431) #
Everybody pitches Springer outside and it looks like he's making the best of it.

They are pounding Santander up. I assume it's nothing new to him.

They haven't realized Wagner is a low ball hitter.

That was a great game.
pooks137 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:07 AM EDT (#458432) #
I think some mainstream media might be underrating the Blue Jays this year, perhaps because they had a poor year last year and they repeatedly missed out on some top free agents in the off-season.

On Opening Day, I was in the car with a local radio station on discussing the start of the season.

They specifically mentioned that expectations for the team were dampened in 2025.

There wasn't anything untrue about it, considering the 2024 74-win last place team. But I was still mildly surprised it was framed that way for the casual sports fan.

vw_fan17 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#458434) #
IMHO, pretty soon, Santander and Kirk should be batting 8-9, if they keep hitting like this..How many runners have they left on base??
John Northey - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#458435) #
Enjoying Springer doing well, hoping it isn't a dead cat bounce. He seems to hit it hard, just his ability to judge pitches seemed off last year, swinging when he shouldn't, he gets that look sometimes this year, but not as often so far. Fingers crossed.

So upcoming challenges - Jays have 1B/2B/C/one corner OF locked in long term, CF is Varsho for 25/26, other corner Roden/Schneider, 3B Wagner trying to claim it with Clement for defense/backup, SS Bo for now, Jimenez/Kasevich in the wings.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#458438) #
Santander looks fine but they need to keep Kirk away from the DH. He keeps fouling balls on his legs and won't last.

Wong broke his finger yesterday.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#458439) #
Sample size is still way too small for everyone tbh. Can't draw even any tentative conclusion from performance data so far. Not even a little bit.

Eye tests on the other hand always matter, if your eye is good.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#458443) #
Agreed, scottt. Using Kirk as a DH doesn't make any sense whatsoever, unless '22 Kirk returns.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#458445) #
Wait did they use Kirk as DH?

When?

Agreed it's a bad idea but i didn't think they had?
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:35 AM EDT (#458446) #
They did it on Sunday because they were facing a lefty. It just shows the state of their roster. The minimal offensive upgrade isn't worth losing him.
ISLAND BOY - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#458447) #
Kirk has DHed once this year, the last game of the series against the Mets.
Kelekin - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 12:04 PM EDT (#458448) #
"Sample size is still way too small for everyone tbh. Can't draw even any tentative conclusion from performance data so far. Not even a little bit."

Agreed. I thought it was interesting seeing a lot of online chatter about the Jays' bat speed. The data was based on three series, and the weather has been abysmal (their bat speeds were way faster in the home series). Everyone's pitch velocity has been down ~2 MPH in the same cold weather.
Cracka - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#458449) #
Earlier this season, Dan & Buck mentioned on the broadcast that Schneider didn't want Kirk to DH this season, because they want to give him real "off days" to balance out his full workload, though they said that pinch-hitting on an off day would be fine. But we only made it 10 games before ended up at DH...

Part of the problem is Davis Schneider. He's such a likable guy but he's been dreadful this season and seems to have lost his confidence (eg. back-to-back called strikeouts on pitches down the middle in New York). And it's now become a 4.5-month slump with almost nothing to show for it. Last season, he "peaked" on June 2nd. Since then: .149/.230/.250 in 279 PA with 100 strikeouts (vs. 26 walks) and just 6 HRs...

Addison Barger is the obvious next guy up, but if they want a righty-for-righty swap, Jonatan Clase has been hitting well and is on his final option year... maybe he gets a shot?
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#458451) #
Pretty much everyone in the league has been dealing with cold weather so bat speed should be similarly impacted around the league... plus Toronto had the benefit of the dome for almost all their games.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#458452) #
hmm i missed that Kirk was DH on sunday.

i'm going to choose to believe that they were just trying to get his bat going, because yeah he's going to play more than he's ever played in his career this year just by being a fulltime non-platoon catcher.

and maybe it worked - 2 hits on sunday and then 2 hits yesterday.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#458453) #
Kirk has a bad habit of collapsing his back leg prior to his swing making contact with the ball. I didn't notice him doing it yesterday but he did last year and at the start of this season.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#458456) #
He fouled it on his shin, on his ankle and on his knee cap.
He wears guards on his foot and on his shin but he still find ways around them.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#458457) #
Plausible Best Lineup using Past 1 Calendar Year Stats:


* 1. 3B Wagner 118pa, 121wrc+, 4.4war/650
* 2. 1B Guerrero 707pa, 164wrc+, 5.1war/650
* 3. DH Santander 678pa, 128wrc+, 3.1war/650
* 4. LF Lukes 107pa, 122wrc+, 4.3war/650
* 5. RF Springer 611pa, 102wrc+, 1.6war/650
* 6. CF Varsho 482pa, 104wrc+, 4.6war/650
* 7. C Kirk 394pa, 97wrc+, 4.6war/650
* 8. 2B Gimenez 640pa, 83wrc+, 2.7war/650
* 9. SS Clement 455pa, 88wrc+, 2.9war/650

* X. UT Schneider 452pa, 75wrc+, 0.1war/650
* X. OF Roden 31pa, 106wrc+, 4.2war/650
* X. IF Bichette 356pa, 78wrc+, 1.3war/650
* X. C Heineman 27pa, 111wrc+, 7.2war/650



* X. OF Straw 18pa, 121wrc+, 7.2war/650
* X. IF Jimenez 210pa, 102wrc+, 1.5war/650
* X. C Bethancourt 134pa, 80wrc+, 1.9war/650

* X. UT Barger 225pa, 70wrc+, -0.9war/650
* X. OF Loperfido 144pa, 61wrc+, -0.9war/650
* X. IF Stefanic 124pa, 63wrc+, -2.1war/650
Jonny German - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#458458) #
Kirk only DH’d because Springer was banged up.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#458461) #
Quite possible, but Kirk is more banged up than Springer now.

Lucas vs Crochet.
If the Jays are within 3 runs after 5 innings I'd be satisfied.

Blake Sabol was recalled to replaced Wong.
They also DFAed Robert Stock and recalled Josh Winckowski.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#458462) #
Damn the torpedos, Detroit beat the Yankees 5-0 today.

New York is now 6-5, part of a three-way tie with Toronto and Boston for first place in the AL East.

scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#458463) #
Ex-Jay Octavio Dotel apparently died today in the roof collapse of the Jet Set Club in Santo Domingo. He was 51.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#458465) #
So far, Romano's fastball is sitting at 94.6 mph, that's over 2 mph down from his good years with the Jays and the results haven't been great.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#458466) #
And just like that, Kirk sits vs. a lefty which forces a lefty, Roden, into the lineup. Banged up.
Jonny German - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#458468) #
Let me get this straight… you don’t want Kirk to ever DH, but you also don’t want any lefty bats in when the opposing stater is a lefty. That’s going to be tricky since the team only has 9 righty bats including Kirk.

Is Kirk banged up or is it simply a day off after playing 4 consecutive days?
Is Roden forced into the lineup by Kirk sitting, or by the team deciding to have Giménez sit against the lefty?
GabrielSyme - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#458469) #
It's really hard to get a handle on Springer in the early going. I wasn't as far down on him as many - his xwOBAs over the past two years have been better than his results, and there were still things to like in his overall profile, but his quality of contact had declined precipitously. Well, so far this year his quality of contact is elite, but he's swinging less and making much less contact (77% contact last year, 63.5% this year), resulting in a big spike in strikeouts. This doesn't seem to be Springer selling out for power, because his bat speed is also down this year. But he is pulling the ball in the air a lot more, and hitting fewer fly balls to right field, so there's a big shift in how he's spraying the ball as well. And this is all, to varying degrees, subject to a skeptical warning about small sample size.

So consider me flummoxed. On the one hand, maybe it's just a hot streak, his contact quality will come back to where it's been the past couple years, and he'll be a below-average hitter; on the other hand, maybe his quality of contact is a genuine improvement, and his contact ability will return (mostly?) to the range it's been for the past eight years, and he'll be back to a productive hitter.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#458470) #
Now that Springer is hitting again, the top 5 in the lineup are set (Bo-Vlad-Santander-Gimenez-Springer). As long as those 5 are at the top, in whatever order, then that's probably the best they can do. Beyond that, mix and match based on performance. I think moving Kirk down for one of the lefties is the logical next step, but the team probably wants to give Wagner and Roden more PA's before making that call. I'd probably have Wagner, Kirk, Roden, and Straw/Clement (depending on who is playing CF) as the 6-9 in that order until Varsho gets back.

Tonight's lineup is not pretty. If the Jays somehow win this game, then the Baseball Gods likely had something to do with it.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#458471) #
I'm fine with a LHB in the lineup vs. a lefty instead of Kirk DHing. The guy needs full days off and isn't a good enough hitter that you need to get his bat in the lineup.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#458472) #
I was watching the Yankees/Tigers game today and it was almost surreal watching a single team hit 4 home runs. That's almost a month's worth of dingers for the Jays.
dalimon5 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#458473) #
Marc your posts are trending on the negative side of things. Not sure if you're tracking that.
John Northey - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 05:44 PM EDT (#458474) #
Tonight is a pretty ugly lineup with Clement-Schneider-Straw-Heineman as 5-8. I get leaving Roden in the 9 hole for now. But damn is that ugly 5-8. I suspect we'll see Wagner brought in the minute a RHP is used.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#458475) #
Dalimon you really don't need to police everyone's posting! Relax. Live and let live.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#458476) #
Tonight’s lineup is a collective 1/15 against Crochet. ESPN gives Boston a 74.6% chance of winning the game.

Got ‘em right where we want ‘em…time to play the underdog spoiler.

dalimon5 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:50 PM EDT (#458477) #
Alright Ugly, you're probably right. I'm tense and don't mean to be aggressive gents. All apologies and let me try to simmer a bit. Just so much glass half empty views these days that maybe I'm misreading some takes. Thanks for calling me out, it's needed sometimes.

I got a feeling Jays win tonight.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#458479) #
Bases loaded, Schneider up. Might be the whole ballgame for the Blue Jays here.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#458480) #
Toronto might not get a chance that good against Crochet for the rest of the night. Too bad.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#458481) #
Ridiculous, game-changing call for a pitcher who couldn't find the zone. Up-and-in is not something pitchers usually get, even if it's a strike (it wasn't).

That being said, I hate watching Schneider take a perfect middle-in pitch to crush just because it's 3-0.
knuckeler - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#458482) #
That is a prime example of what I perceive to be biased calls.
Sure looked like a ball. And I am just about as sure if Boston was at the plate in the same situation that would have been called a ball. And that could have been the turning point of the ball game at a critical point. Thanks umpire.
knuckeler - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#458484) #
I agree 92-93. Schnieder should not be on the team imo, he is still living off his exceptional and unexpected period 2 yrs ago when he mashed the ball. However, since then, he has been mediocre and has struck out a lot because he takes a lot of bad swings like you said. I repeat, he shouldn't be on the team.
knuckeler - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#458485) #
Looking back at you said you didn't say Schneider took bad swings but let the one good one to mash go by but in Schneider's defense for that he may of been signaled not to swing at that 4th pitch.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#458486) #
What's more frustrating is that the only chance Schneider had was to draw a walk, and that meant relying on the umpire not to make a bad call, which is a helpless spot to be in as a hitter. I hope Schneider's time is up soon. He's not a big league hitter right now.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#458487) #
Ya that was Schneider's fault, but not Davis. Give your hitter a green light against an ace like Crochet. One pitch one spot.

The good news is that an outfielder who can hit lefties shouldn't be too difficult to find.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#458488) #
One good thing is that Lucas seems to be riding a hot streak. He hasn’t given up a run yet as a Blue Jay. He’s pitched an efficient game so far, 2 innings, 28 pitches (20 strikes). Maybe the Blue Jays and Pete Walker have found something here. Sometimes lefty SPs develop late and reach a new level of performance in their late 20s.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#458489) #
got him up to almost 60 pitches thru 3 already. that's the way to do it.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#458490) #
Yeah John Schneider should have given Davis Schneider the green light 3-0. Managing scared instead of bold and aggressive.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#458491) #
Santander looks lost at the plate right now. Outside of that, I think the Jays are putting some good ABs together against Crochet.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#458492) #
That first inning AB from Santander looked truly pathetic. On the bright side, he can only get better.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#458493) #
Giving Schneider the green light would have meant he had to make contact on a 95 mph fastball. Better shot at drawing a walk than making contact.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#458494) #
Maybe. Presumably he would have zeroed in on a middle-middle mid-90s FB. Fair chance he could have hammered that pitch if he assumed it was coming. A medium-deep FB to left field (off the Green Monster) would have scored at least two runs.
Glevin - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#458495) #
Jays can't keep giving Schneider abs. He's 0 for his last 32. Would much rather see Roden against LHP than Schneider at this point.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#458497) #
I mean those are some good at bats by Schneider against a very good pitcher, with some tough calls against him to boot.

Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#458498) #
Kind of with uo on this one. I don’t think Schneider can hit but I don’t actually think his two ABs tonight are evidence of that.

Any more they get from Lucas tonight is just gravy. He’s been legitimately tough.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#458499) #
Toronto just shouldn't be bunting for the most part (except for the occasional Varsho-type bunt for a hit). It really doesn't work out that well for them. Just give it up.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#458500) #
On the plus side, the Blue Jays' good approach is running up Crochet's pitch count. He might last only 6 innings.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#458501) #
one more good ups and the jays should have Crochet out of this game by the 6th inning. doing what they need to do.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#458502) #
Maybe just don't bunt in the 5th inning at Fenway ever again?
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#458503) #
For John Schneider, bunting in those types of situations is like pulling a starting pitcher who is cruising but just gave up a hit or a walk. He just can't help himself.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#458504) #
Lucas is outpitching Crochet so far. Fewer hits and walks allowed, more Ks, lower pitch count. Impressive.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#458505) #
Springer of George!
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#458506) #
Credit where credit is due but Straw has had three good ABs tonight.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#458507) #
man we really ground the hell out of Crochet tonight. and we've been grinding most every game so far. this is my kind of baseball.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#458508) #
Surprised they let Crochet throw 107 pitches early in April.
That's a guy who has been in the pen his whole life.
They must have been impressed by his physical...
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#458509) #
Big-time clutch hit by Bo. Those insurance runs are huge.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#458510) #
That was a fun inning against a very tough pitcher. Impressive and what a relief to see! I have enjoyed the season so far.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#458512) #
I say grab 7 innings from Lucas if they can. No need to crop his start at 6IP.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#458513) #
Staff Ace Easton Lucas!
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#458514) #
Lucas was on a 75 pitch limit last time. Totally agree with this pull.
Michael - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#458515) #
I thought consensus was Bo can't be clutch?

So far the teams looked pretty good today, despite the fact that you'd think on paper this game would heavily favor Boston. there certainly seems to be a difference in defensive quality between Boston and Toronto.

Although I guess now we get to see the Bullpen pitch, so knock on wood.
92-93 - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#458516) #
Interesting that Rodriguez has seemingly passed Green in the bullpen hierarchy.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#458517) #
Well, Green may have had the higher-leverage assignment, with a runner on and the middle of the order up in the 6th.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#458518) #
I think I also heard Schneider say that they preferred to have Rodriguez start a clean inning.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#458519) #
Buckle up. It’s bullpen usage decision time.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#458520) #
I sure hope Rodriguez hasn’t moved up the leverage chart in the pen.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#458521) #
now we get to see the Bullpen pitch

Oh frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
He chortled in his joy.
greenfrog - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#458522) #
Little against Duran made sense. Duran doesn’t hit lefties well.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#458523) #
Rodriguez does not look good out of the pen. Hopefully he improves as the season goes on.

Would be nice to not have to use Hoffman tonight.
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#458524) #
Rodriguez hasn’t looked good but I’m optimistic that he might be useful if he can just throw as hard as he can for one inning. Otherwise, that may be a wasted investment because I don’t think he has a way to get hitters out consistently as a starter.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#458525) #
I can't wait for somebody to replace Barnes.
Glevin - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#458526) #
Great win. As we all knew in April, the Jays strength has been starting pitching depth, Springer, and backup catcher.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#458527) #
Lucas is the first Jays pitcher with 2 wins.
Is it just me or do you have to be obsessed with baseball to name your son Easton?
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#458528) #
That's why you won't catch me spending money on those gaming apps.
earlweaverfan - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#458529) #
When my son was much younger, I referred to him as my beamish boy!
Nigel - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#458530) #
Jays three leading hitters, in order: Springer, Heineman and Straw. Yeah.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#458531) #
I mean, the Tigers just beat the Yankees 5-0 and the Nationals walked over the Dodgers 8-2.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#458532) #
Straw is working hard to keep his spot when Varsho comes back.
He spent 3 years in Houston with Springer.
Gold glover, good base stealer.
Not a wasted spot on the bench, really.
scottt - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#458533) #
Corbin Burnes has allowed 8 runs, 6 earned over his first 2 starts.
John Northey - Tuesday, April 08 2025 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#458534) #
Baseball - what a crazy game. 2 starts in Burnes has a 5.79 ERA over 9 1/3 IP, Lucas 0.00 ERA over 10 1/3 IP. Burnes was seen by many as the top pitching free agent and Lucas was a waiver wire pickup. Obviously I doubt this will continue, but damn is it fun.
GabrielSyme - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#458535) #
On another note, Winckowski's season debut tonight brought to 32 the number of players originally signed by the Jays to play in the major leagues this year, which seems like a decent number of big-leaguers to have produced. Of course, there are bunch more guys on ILs or waiting their chance in AAA.

If they were to form a team, the decided strength would be catcher (three first-stringers in Moreno, Jansen and Kirk, plus Riley Adams backing up). By contrast, only two original Jays have started this year: Marcus Stroman and Matthew Boyd. There are three starters on the shelf with Tommy John who haven't played: Alek Manoah, Joe Musgrove and Anthony DeSclafani.

Boyd is off to a great start this year for the Cubs. I recall Boyd getting to the majors at about the same time as Aaron Sanchez, Noah Syndergaard and Daniel Norris, and who could have guessed he'd outlast all three of them, each far more touted than he? And given how Stroman has looked last year and this (and his doubtful value in the clubhouse), Boyd might end up being the last man standing from the last time the Jays system actually produced some starting pitchers.
scottt - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 06:04 AM EDT (#458537) #
Lucas has been very good at AAA for several years now. It's not a complete mirage.
scottt - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:00 AM EDT (#458538) #
The other thing is that many teams are overloaded with left bats.
Boston always seemed like a good place to start a lefty.

It looks like he's throwing more change ups and fewer cutters and sliders.
His 4-seamers and changes are above average. His cutter barely moves and the slider is all over the place.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:27 AM EDT (#458539) #
AL East standings:

Toronto
New York
Boston
Baltimore
Tampa Bay

All is currently right in the world.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:02 AM EDT (#458540) #
I watched this game via recording. This is really fun baseball to watch and the at bats have been really good. I'm still not a fan of John Schneider really and still think the bullpen is one big arm away. Last night's game reminded me of the peak Ricciardi team. Halladay vs Randy Johnson with Eric Hinske and Vernon Wells being the hope for offense.
scottt - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#458541) #
The defense is elite. The offense lacks power, but they have good ABs through the lineups.
The baserunning has improved quite a bit.
The rotation is key. Barnes is just a placeholder for Swanson or even Burr.

It's hard to watch reliever after reliever come on of the pen, struggle to throw a strike and put a fastball over the middle of the plate. 
When they are facing guys in the bottom of the order who haven't been hitting, they should be pounding the part of the strike zone that those hitters have trouble with--because guys who hit .150 and bat 8th or 9th don't have full plate coverage.
John Northey - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#458542) #
Good point scottt - Lucas in the minors has 245.1 IP 210 H 92 BB 280 K over 146 G 13 GS 11-6 record 4 saves. 3.4 BB/9 vs 10.3 K/9 is solid. He only has 18 1/3 IP in the majors before these 2 starts, all in relief. Clearly his 3.5 H/9 is unsustainable unless he has sold his soul to whatever Francis did. His 2.6 BB/9 is solid as his his 9.6 K/9 and both are in eyeshot of his minor league numbers. If the Jays have caught lightning in a bottle twice in 2 years for the rotation that'd be wonderful as Lucas won't be a free agent until after 2030, Francis after 2029. They could be 2 very cheap parts of the rotation long term. But odds are this won't last, still, it is fun to dream isn't it? And that is before touching the top prospects Trey Yesavage, Jake Bloss, Ricky Tiedemann at least 1 of which I'd hope will be a decent starter.

This old team is getting younger and better - sub 27's (ie: lots of peak years left): Mason Fluharty (LH relief) is it for pitchers (only one under 28), Roden (25), Schneider (26), Wagner (26), Gimenez (26), Vlad (26), Kirk (26). Does seem weird that Wagner is the same age as Gimenez, Vlad, and Kirk (all 3 signed for 5+ years). For offense this team is getting locked in for the next 5 years isn't it? 1B/2B/3B (Wagner)/LF (Roden)/RF (Santander)/C are all set for 5 years or more (Wagner & Roden still have to prove themselves but are well on their way). That leaves CF (Varsho), SS (Bo), DH (whoever) as the only clear paths for kids - farm has Orelvis Martinez (big power at age 23, but no real position), Barger is a RF/3B who doesn't have a clear path to the team if Roden holds onto a slot. Clase is a CF (23) who has a 1.092 OPS so far in 2025, Loperfido is a CF/LF/RF who K's way too much. Clase and Loperfido are hoping Varsho gets traded instead of extended as if Varsho is extended those 2 have nowhere to go here. SS has Jimenez and Kasevich in AAA (both hurt) while 19 year old Nimmala is in A+ with a 921 OPS and charging hard. I like this lineup setup - by the end of 2026 we could be down to just 1 old guy (30+) in Santander and utility guys (tend to be older ala Lukes).
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#458543) #
Changes in fangraphs combined depth chart wRC+ projections from preseason to rest of season:

* Guerrero 152 --> 146 (-6)
* Santander 126 -> 122 (-4)
* Bichette 120 --> 118 (-2)
* Wagner 118 ----> 115 (-3)
* Kirk 118 ------> 114 (-4)
* Roden 112 -----> 110 (-2)
* Springer 109 --> 113 (+4)
* Gimenez 107 ---> 108 (+1)
* Varsho 104 ----> 105 (+1)

* Schneider 108 -> 107 (-1)
* Lukes 108 -----> 108 (--)
* Clement 100 ---> 97 (-3)
* Heineman 77 ---> 84 (+7)
* Straw 74 ------> 76 (+2)
92-93 - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#458544) #
Rodriguez started warming up in the top of the 6th with a 1-0 lead, and then he sat down when the lead went to 4-0 while Green got up. I'm not sure how else one can interpret that information, other than to say that as a starter Rodriguez just has a completely different warmup routine than the rest of the bullpen.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#458545) #

Easton Lucas is the fourth pitcher in Blue Jays history to record consecutive starts with:

5+ IP
0 R
0 XBH
4 or fewer baserunners allowed

He's also the first pitcher EVER to reach all of those benchmarks in each of his first two starts in the major leagues.

Insane.

— Jonah Birenbaum (@birenball) April 9, 2025
Kelekin - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#458546) #
I've heard enough. Put him in the Hall.
Jonny German - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#458547) #
Blue Jays killing it with a new market inefficiency, starting pitchers with back-to-front names. No need to develop your own propspects when you can roll out a new Easton or Bowden every year.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#458549) #
Boston always seemed like a good place to start a lefty.

Wow, there's a sentence I never thought I'd hear!

I know what you're thinking (I assume!) - that the scariest bats on the Red Sox are almost all LH. It's just that it's Fenway and that wall is so, so close that it generally fills LH pitchers with the same terror I feel when John Schneider calls for a relief pitcher.
Nigel - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#458550) #
I've spent the last year making jokes about, and laughing at, Donnie Baseball's "do damage". It was all just so ridiculous and, frankly, sort of juvenile. I'm now coming around to a different view. Having watched the first 12 games of this season, the change in plate approach is incredibly noticeable. The lineup is producing consistently good ABs - showing patience, working counts, passing the baton and allowing long sequence offence to happen. Of course you need HRs and SLG but this is just a different approach. Rather than laughing at it, I am now wondering just how much damage (pun intended) the "do damage" boys really inflicted on the offence in 2024.
Nigel - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#458551) #
The game before Lucas' last start, Rodriguez got up in the pen an inning or two before he came in to the game (at a time when there was no need for him to be warming up). He clearly sat down and then warmed up again right before being brought in to that game. Buck actually commented on the first session and said that he was just probably doing a "side session". But I think you are right 92-93, the plan for Rodriguez seems to be to allow him to warm up, sit for an inning or so and then bring him into the game to start of an inning. Its less than ideal for bullpen management so lets hope its only a transitional plan.
ISLAND BOY - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#458552) #
It's still wild that the Jays have one more win than the Yankees despite New York outhomering them 25 to 6. The pitching staff has been mostly outstanding with Berrios's opening day start the only really bad one.

The LA Angels are 7-3 despite Mike Trout hitting .171 (763 OPS).
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#458553) #
the funniest result of the "do damage" approach was the team losing all it's power. but as I remember it was a response to the previous couple of years of dissappointing offense so I don't know how much blame it gets.

This year is definitely something new so far at least, though it could just be a small sample fluke - but i don't remember these jays having this kind of approach even in the years prior to the "do damage" theory.

obviously it helps that we've added guys like Wagner, Roden, Lukes into the mix who naturally like to take pitches and battle. But it's also more surprising guys like Gimenez and Santander who seem to be much more patient than I expected them to be at least.
SK in NJ - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#458554) #
Donnie Mattingly can be accused of a lot of things (no doubt in my mind he was responsible for some/much of the team's offensive strategy in 2023-24), but wanting the hitters to "do damage" probably isn't one of them.
Nigel - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#458555) #
I can only go by what we are told, but Schneider gave an interview in Spring Training last year where he credited Donnie Baseball for bringing the "do damage" philosophy (and name) to the forefront of the hitters approach. Of course, Schneider then walked that back in late May saying that they were not talking about "do damage" any more.
Michael - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#458557) #
The charitable to look at the "do damage" is to take not just balls but pitchers pitches that might be or are strikes that you are very unlikely to get good contact on, at least until you have 2 strikes and shift to a protect the plate mindset. I.e., early in the count pick the pitch that you can make very good contact on (for a lot of players it would be a fastball in a certain part of the plate, but against some pitchers it would be a specific off speed pitch in certain part of the plate) and then "do damage" against your pitch, take the others.

The less charitable case is wildly swing for a HR on every swing, and try to do that on nearly every pitch even if the pitch is outside the strike zone.

Regardless of how it was intended, the offense certainly didn't seem to work last year. And so far in the SSS our offense seems really good despite no power, which makes one dream on can they keep this up and add back a more expected amount of power?
John Northey - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#458559) #
Something to remember with Mattingly - he never was a guy who walked much - peak of 61 walks which for a middle of the order bat known to be able to 'do damage' is very low (often they get 80-100 - Vlad has 3 times had more walks in a season than Mattingly ever had despite this being his 7th season, with this and 2020 as impossible to be at 60+ so 3 out of 5 possible). Of course, Mattingly also rarely struck out (peak of 43 K's in a season - crazy low). He was basically Ernie Clement but with power and average far beyond Clement's wildest dreams.

So what Mattingly sees as possible is not what the average player can do. I wonder if he is really suited for coaching at times - generally the best players aren't as they know it is possible to be a 150 OPS+ hitter (3 times for Mattingly) but for 99% of ML'ers it isn't possible no matter how hard they apply themselves to 'do damage'.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#458560) #
thing is the jays walked as much as usual last year.

the issue was their power was down and their babip was down (which also was probably due to a lack of hard contact).
Nigel - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#458561) #
My interpretation of the "do damage" approach was that it was a variant of the "wait for your pitch and then grip it and rip it" approach that Cito preached for a number of the Jays' hitters. That was, in fact, an approach that worked for some Jays hitters when it was previously en vogue. My criticism with it is that its absurd to have that approach across the entirety of your line-up. Horses for courses and all that. I will add that the Jays line-up in 2024 (and this year) seems pretty ill suited to that approach - it might make sense for only one or two guys. I think its an actual detriment to some of them, notably Kirk.
SK in NJ - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#458562) #
Don Mattingly, 4/7/24: “Damage is kind of a scary word.....I don’t really see us as a huge power club. But we do have a chance for, I think, four or five guys hitting 20 or above. That would be good for us."

David Popkins, 2/24/25: "I love damage. Great offenses don't have one way to get it done. They have every way."

I don't think Mattingly was preaching "damage". If anything, the team became more reliant on contact and less on power as soon as Mattingly came on board. It was like a night and day shift from 2022 to 2023. I don't think Springer's pull% back up to his 2022 levels so far is a coincidence. I think the team might be going for more damage this season compared to last season, it just hasn't come yet, or they don't have the personnel for it in some cases (Roden and Wagner not being power guys).
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#458563) #
after some half-assed googling it sure seems like the "do damage" money quote was Schneider's not Mattingly's.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#458567) #
OBP Kings continue OBPing.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#458568) #
I hope Kirk gets it going offensively, because he can be tough at the plate when he’s on. His small strike zone makes him hard to pitch to. But first he has to re-establish himself as a threat.
GabrielSyme - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#458569) #
Does anyone have a handle on why Gausman seemingly isn't getting strikeouts any more? It's not just this year either - heHis velocity isn't much down from where he was a couple years ago. Is it just that he's lost movement on his splitter, or is there something else?
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#458570) #
bah those short innings have been so rare but it still bugs me.
GabrielSyme - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#458573) #
The results haven't fully come for Bichette, but everything in his profile this year looks much better - making more contact, hitting more balls hard, more line drives. I don't think he had a two week stretch last year where he looked nearly this good. He still swings at a lot of pitches outside the zone, but everything else is pretty impressive right now.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#458574) #
Does anyone have a handle on why Gausman seemingly isn't getting strikeouts any more?

This would be a good time for you to wonder why they don't hit home runs anymore.

Counting on you!
Glevin - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#458575) #
Could see that DP coming from a mile away. Need to start runners there.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#458576) #
Three RH bats available. I was expecting a pinch hitter.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#458577) #
if there was ever time i would've been ok with a bunt, it was that Kirk at bat right there.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#458578) #
You do have to at least start the runners on the 3-2 pitch. If not elsewhere. Gimenez was your lead runner.
christaylor - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#458579) #
Kirk is not an everyday catcher and especially not a C/DH. The sooner the team gets a cromulent tandem he will likely struggle. Jansen disappointed in his time here but someone Jansen or better is needed to help him carry the burden. Ernie Whitt of 87 would be perfect.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#458580) #
93 pitches with the top of the order coming up next inning.

Do you keep Gausman in?
Magpie - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#458581) #
I'd consider it. Game's not even two hours old.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#458582) #
Schneider says no.
Gerry - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#458583) #
Kirk is off balance in the box. That needs to be fixed.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#458584) #
ok hoffman one more please. give the top of the order one chance to win this at least. if they can't do it i guess we deserve to lose.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#458586) #
we like our team jerry.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#458587) #
barry I mean.

and "kinda" like them, at least.
Nigel - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#458588) #
What a game:). Really impressed with Hoffman.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#458589) #
Do damage…to Boston playoff hopes.
Glevin - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#458590) #
Fantastic. Team is finding a way to win. Hoffman gives me more confidence than any closer we've had for a while (maybe peak Osuna?).
SK in NJ - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#458591) #
The offense was brutal to watch, but wins are wins. The power has to come eventually, right? Either way, 8-5 when only 3 players on the team have home runs, and 1 of them being Heineman, is impressive. They really need to start hitting for power though.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#458592) #
I don't have SN1, can someone elaborate on Hoffman's performance? Was it gutsy?
scottt - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#458593) #
1 pitch, 1 out.
2 pitches, 2 out.
K the last guy.
Hulk up on the mount.
Ready for the next inning.
Was that their 3 best hitters?
99BlueJaysWay - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#458594) #
It was dominant. Facing the top of the lineup in the 9th, he got two outs on his first two pitches. Then struck out Bregman on 5 pitches.

In the 10th, Casas grounded out to 2nd. Runner advanced to 3rd. Then Hoffman got 2 straight strike outs, of Story and Kristan Campbell. Abreu was intentionally walked in between). Both struck out on 5 pitches.

6 outs. 20 pitches. 16 strikes. He REALLY fills up the zone, but spots it well. Wow.
Cracka - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#458595) #
The difference between Hoffman and seemingly everyone else in the Jays bullpen is that he can - and does - consistently throw all four of his pitches for strikes. Tonight he was hanging around the edges of the zone and the Red Sox came out swinging in both innings... the first two pitches of the 9th became quick outs and that helped him immensely. He's pitching with an extreme amount of confidence and it shows...

Cracka - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#458596) #
Also, tonight I learned that pitchers cannot become the "designed runner" that starts on 2nd base in extra innings. John Schneider definitely knew the rule - but I don't think this has happened before - at least not to the Jays. The Jays lost their DH in the 9th when Vlady moved to 1B after Springer hit for Wagner, and therefore Jeff Hoffman should have been the runner to start the 10th. However, there's a special rule to prevent this and the previous hitter in the lineup (e.g. Giminez) became the runner. MLB Gameday did not know this either - they had Springer as a runner (even though he was out of the game), but have since corrected it.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#458598) #
I didn't see Kirk hit tonight, Gerry, was he still collapsing his back leg on his swing?
John Northey - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#458599) #
Not bad, 3 straight wins vs Boston. Far more important to win vs the AL East than vs other divisions (although those would be nice to win too). 4 PM game tomorrow, then off to Baltimore for 3 before coming home to face Atlanta currently 2-9 tied for last in the majors.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#458600) #
at least somewhat interesting imo that Sandlin came in for the save.

He's pitched pretty well to start the year tho, and he does have strikeout stuff.
Gerry - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#458601) #
I didn't look at Kirk's back leg specifically but that could be the issue. He is off balance and popping the ball to right which suggests his backside is collapsing.
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#458602) #
I feel like the Blue Jays hitters could have a better game against Buehler tomorrow. He's off to a poor start and his velocity is down in the early going (93.6 FB down from 95 or so the last few years). Maybe tomorrow is the day Santander breaks out.

It would be excellent to gain the four-game sweep against loathed Boston before starting the weekend series against the pitching-deficient O's (Burnes gone, Rodriguez and Eflin injured).
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, April 09 2025 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#458603) #
I didn't see Kirk hit tonight, Gerry, was he still collapsing his back leg on his swing?
Yes - over and over. Right now he looks like a 500-600 OPS hitter at best.
Kelekin - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 01:57 AM EDT (#458605) #
Love Hoffman. He's proof that development isn't linear (though, without his pedigree, he may never have been given so many chances).
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#458609) #
Anyone want to start a separate “Should the Blue Jays Extend Bo?” thread? I think it would be an interesting debate.
mathesond - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#458610) #
The only other team I cheer for besides the Jays is the Philadelphia Eagles, who have been pretty successful with roster management under Howie Roseman. I would be curious as to how Roseman would approach Bo. Roseman has been able to keep a lot of the better players on his team, but by necessity has had to part with players perhaps before he would like.

Anyway, as to Bo, I'd love for him to be a Jay for a long time. I don't know if his skills would translate to 2nd or 3rd, but Gimenez to SS seems inevitable. As to contract, as long as Rogers is opening purse strings and apparently amenable to overpays, let's land somewhere between $150M/6yrs and $200M over 7.
92-93 - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#458611) #
If Bo was a FA today, Springer's 6/150 contract adjusted for some inflation (6/180?) would be his floor, not an overpay.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#458612) #
Heineman won't hit anything like this for much longer obviously but i have always liked him as a piece. Elite catcher defense, with solid enough on base skills to be useful. There's no power in that package but there's just enough there to be a solid bench piece. Surprised he's never got any real run in the bigs before tbh.

Of course if Kirk doesn't wake up then we'll be wanting more than just a solid bench piece backing him up, which is the downside.
GabrielSyme - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#458613) #
Bo, after his 2024, would not be looking at a Springer-like contract. If he rebounds this year - and so far, he's looked great - then maybe, but even then, Springer's track record was more consistent and better overall when he signed.
Nigel - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#458616) #
Its now been two full games since the Jays had an extra base hit (Springer's HR on Tuesday) and only one in the past 3 games. Buehler looks in full control. Have to try to get to this pen.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#458617) #
The walk to Duran was unfortunate, might well be the difference in this game.

Is Vladdy available to pinch-hit in the late innings?
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#458619) #
Heineman rocks.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#458620) #
TYLER HEINEMAN BABY

CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP
Nigel - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#458621) #
Why on earth would anyone bring in a LH pitcher so that Schneider could let loose the dynamic duo of Straw and Heinemann?
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#458622) #
lookit that hustle by Vladdy.

worth every penny!
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:18 PM EDT (#458624) #
slightly more encouraging at bats from Santander today.

tho i'm not actually worried about him - i always imagined his low-obp/high-power ways meant he'd be a very streaky hitter for us.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:20 PM EDT (#458625) #
#SpringerOfGeorge
electric carrot - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#458626) #
why do umpires hate Ned Flanders.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#458627) #
nah this ump has been legit screwing us on major key pitches both ways tonight.

pretty disgraceful.

not just ned.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#458628) #
Those were unbelievably bad calls (balls well out of the strike zone called strikes) on Davis. Especially the second high pitch.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#458629) #
well that sucked.

bear down here yimi come on.
knuckeler - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#458630) #
Yes pretty obvious horribly biased umpiring he is trying real hard , it seems ,to get Boston one win out of this series.
I have always thought the Blue Jays play at a disadvantage to all other teams because they are Canadian and some umpires, who are all American), make bad calls if only inadvertently costing Blue Jays a 2-3games a year
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#458631) #
Still a 2-2 game. Let’s win this and get out of town.
knuckeler - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:47 PM EDT (#458632) #
Yeah and Vladdy was just off a hair there to hitting that one out
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#458633) #
Santander's had a couple good long at bats.

Do they pay off here finally?
Glevin - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#458634) #
Someone other than Heinaman, Straw, and Springer need to do something. Was actually surprised Schneider didn't take Wagner out of game instead of Clement because they were leading at the time.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#458635) #
ah got ahead of myself it was Gimenez' turn not santander.

please jays the sweep here would be way way too sweet not to finish off.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#458636) #
nails Yimi nails!


come on boys a 4gm sweep in friggin fenway would be just too damn sweet.

do it for us. do it for everyone.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#458637) #
SPRINGER OF GEORGE!!!
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#458638) #
wow Heineman
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#458639) #
ump screws us again on a clear Bregman strikeout. F's sake.
Nigel - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#458640) #
Sandlin was good yesterday- full credit. But, in general, I don’t really get the appeal.
Glevin - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#458641) #
I hope someone asks Schneider why he took Clement out at 3B and put Wagner there up a run in the 8th? Didn't make sense at the time and cost the Jays the game.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#458642) #
robot umps please already that was a shameful ump game.
92-93 - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#458643) #
Pulling Clement was bizarre. The answer will be that they wanted to keep Wagner’s bat in the game.

Disgraceful game from the home plate umpire. They kinda lost to him.
Glevin - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#458644) #
Definitely a horribly umped game. Usually, the ump is just generally bad or good but this was egregiously one sided.
Michael - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#458645) #
Yeah, when can the ABS system be brought in. Supposedly the Umpires want it full time right, it is the players who didn't like it or only wanted the challenge system with it. But I think we'd do a lot better with the ABS system calling balls and strikes.
GabrielSyme - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#458646) #
I'm not terribly bothered by umpires not conforming to the rule book so long as it's consistent. The zone today was anything but consistent, except it was consistently inconsistent in Boston's favour.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#458647) #
Horrible, incompetent umpire. Maybe also biased and/or a Bet365 aficionado? Who knows.
SK in NJ - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#458648) #
Schneider is not a good strategic manager (regarding taking Clement out rather than Wagner when the Jays took the lead) so if they are going for a repeat of 2023 where every game is close and they need the pitching, defense, and managing to be perfect to compensate for the offense, then it’s probably not going to work. The umpire was very bad, and likely cost the Jays any shot at a win, but I blame the offense more. It’s unwatchable. Singles and walks are not fun, not good for run producing, but while it’s likely to change for Vlad and Santander, practically everyone else is more questionable from a power standpoint. The Jays could have easily won this game despite the umpire if their offensive game plan wasn’t “draw a walk or hit as many singles as possible until you score”.

Maybe I’m ranting a bit here but I sat through 2023 which was the most frustrating good season I can remember, and have no interest in watching that again even if the team is reasonably good. Hit some home runs, or call up prospects who might be able to run into one every now and then.
uglyone - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#458649) #
Attaboy John. It needed to be said.

John Schneider after the #BlueJays loss today in Boston:

“It’s tough to battle nine hitters and an umpire. I’ve got all the respect in the world for them, but it wasn’t a great day for him behind the plate.”

— Keegan Matheson (@KeeganMatheson) April 10, 2025
GabrielSyme - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#458650) #
I'm so fired up about the umping I went through gameday and counted the missed calls.

I counted fifteen missed ball/strike calls, thirteen of which went in Boston's favour. The only two in the Jays' favour were pitches on the inside edge to Roden, called balls. On the other side of the scale, Bichette was struck out on a ball, and Casas in the 10th as well as Abreu and Rafaela all had third strikes called balls.

It was truly egregious.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#458652) #
One positive is that the Blue Jays pitching this year has been very good.

However, the bats need to get going. Otherwise the bullpen is going to burn out, with Yimi, Sandlin, Garcia and Hoffman pitching all the time in close, low-scoring games.

Right now the four most valuable position players on the team by 2025 fWAR are:

Springer 0.7
Gimenez 0.5
Heinemann 0.3
Bichette 0.3

VGJ is at 0.2 and Santander is at -0.2. So together, our #2 and #3 hitters have been worth zero WAR in the first 14 games of the season.
dalimon5 - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#458654) #
I'm not concerned about the offense because it seems to be down to start the season with many other teams and this team has players and upside offensively that didn't exist in the previous two years. Last year it would have been "this is all we have?" This year we have "Santander will improve." We have "Varsho will improve over Lukes." We have more options working in the minors. We have committed FO likely to add some time before the deadline. Not very concerned.
christaylor - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#458656) #
0 WAR for the first 14 games of the season? What is that in WAR/650PA?
christaylor - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#458658) #
I was at 4/4 games in Fenway this series. I sit on the 3B visitors' side when the Jays are in town, to soak up the vibes.

Based on this tiny sample and purely subjective memory of the seasons since 2021. The team seems more focused and purposeful than in recent years. Sure, they still have the HR jacket, but there is no sulking like last year, or ridiculous stuff like in 2022. Perhaps because of the contract announcement, Vlad seemed to be more relaxed and did not try to please the crowd after every half-inning in the field with a ball toss.

The talent on the field is not what it was in 2022 or 2023, but heck, this is a better team to watch live.

Bonus -- in-person, I always give the umps the benefit of the doubt, because they have better seats. So I was blissfully unaware of the bad zone this afternoon/evening.

I am concerned watching Santander -- he is everything I hoped he would not be when I tried to be optimistic about the signing. Sure, it is still early, but I think there will be buyer's remorse sooner rather than later.
greenfrog - Thursday, April 10 2025 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#458659) #
I’m guessing christaylor’s post was tongue-in-cheek, but in all seriousness, Vladdy and Santander have now combined for 124 PA this year.

If a full season for one player is estimated to be 650 PA, then the two-headed monster of Vlad/Santander has now combined for 19% of a full season. That is actually quite a bit. Zero WAR over roughly the first 20% of a player’s season is not great, especially when it is costing the team a lot in salary.

Obviously Vlad and Santander are two players, not one, but I mention this to highlight their combined drag on the team’s performance in the early going.
John Northey - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#458660) #
I'm guessing that right about now Atkins is doing lots of calls for relief help. Schneider, and most OF's in the system should be available for the right guy. A LHP would be a massive help.

Free agents still out there: Brooks Raley: 37 years old, just 7 IP last year but has been a solid guy throughout the 2020's thus could be solid if healthy. David Robertson: (RHP) was expected to do well on a 1 year deal but somehow never signed - rumors are he might be hurt, but if not then well worth a shot.

Both those guys cost only cash and a 40 man slot. Odds are they'd both go to AAA at first to get set, then an agreed on date to be up or let go. So no big risk, but potential reward.

I'm more expecting a trade though. The White Sox have 2 LH relievers: Cam Booser an early 30's guy who is in his 2nd ML season, decent stats, nothing 'wow' but nice. In theory shouldn't be too expensive and the ChiSox need, well, everything, and Tyler Gilbert who isn't much (low K, low BB guy in majors but higher K in minors) but might be an improvement over Little right now. Odds are there are better out there, but who is available? That might be the hard part.
Nigel - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#458662) #
There’s a role in modern pens for one LH reliever who’s “just a guy”. A pitcher brought in to low to medium leverage situations to get a tricky LHH and maybe get some PHs going. But that’s it. Because of the three batter rule, when you get to the pointy end of the spear you just need good high leverage relievers regardless of handedness. Sure, a generic LH might have better odds against the Soto’s of the baseball world but Soto is sure to be surrounded by the top RH hitters in a lineup. Applying that to the Jays - the pen could really really use a high leverage LH reliever (obviously). They might even need a LH who’s “just a guy” because I’m not sure Little and Fluharty are even that. But I think you can probably give one or both a bit of time. I do think they will need at least one more high leverage arm and if that’s a RH then so be it. They might even pen’s had a much better week this week so there’s that.
uglyone - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#458663) #
With video.

Umpire Manny Gonzalez missed 14 calls in the Red Sox Blue Jays game. 12 of them went against the Blue Jays.

The Blue Jays lost by 1 in 10 innings. pic.twitter.com/lJkjhkQYzd

— Umpire Auditor (@UmpireAuditor) April 11, 2025
Joe - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 10:43 AM EDT (#458664) #
Marc Hulet - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#458670) #
The bench isn't a big deal but I still see zero reason to have Davis Schneider on the team. He can take a walk but dude just can't hit.
Magpie - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#458671) #
Not good, Bob.
christaylor - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#458673) #
Wow. A new candidate for the phrase "Manny being Manny".
greenfrog - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#458674) #
That ump scorecard is shocking because the ump appears to have been clearly biased against Toronto. His accuracy rate was only a bit below average, but the calls he did blow (and blew egregiously) were critical ones that significantly impacted the Blue Jays’ chances of winning.

His performance is worthy of an investigation by whoever does these things, assuming the ump union doesn’t impede this by prioritizing its member’s job security over ump competence and the integrity of the game.
GabrielSyme - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#458675) #
Ump Scorecards missed (or considered correct) the called third strike on Bo in the 5th inning, which was one of the worst calls of the game, and was worth -.33 runs itself. So even worse than the scorecard makes out.
Gerry - Friday, April 11 2025 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#458677) #
If you look at Umpire Auditor there have been six umpire performances just as bad or worse this season. Thats one every two or three days. Most of them favoured one team over their opponent.

So I don't think there will be an investigation, the ump will be under pressure to improve his performance over the next few games so he isn't rated at the bottom of the list.
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