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The Phillies got off to an indifferent start, but began to play some pretty good baseball at the end of April. A very nice 12-5 stretch got them back in the NL East fight. They then found some bad teams on their schedule - Pittsburgh, Colorado, the Athletics - and they ran the table, a nine game winning streak. All told, they'd gone 23-6 from 26 April through 29 May, which vaulted them past the Mets into first place. They've been scuffling a little since then - they've just lost four in a row at home, and fallen back behind the Mets. 

The Phillies are more than a little concerned about their run prevention, which has been merely average this season. Their off-season trade to bring in southpaw Jesus Luzardo ha worked out splendidly, and the rotation has been fine even though Aaron Nola got off to a poor start before turning his ankle. That's not the issue.

It's what happens when the starters leave the game that's the problem. The Phillies bullpen has been a complete dumpster fire. Losing their best reliever. closer Jose Alvarado, to an 80 game suspension didn't help. The one bit of good news is that our old chum Jordan Romano has clearly found his game again after a nightmarish month of April (he was only scored on in one of his May appearances.) There's not much behind Romano, and the Phillies bullpen sports an ugly 4.65 ERA and only a handful of MLB teams - Baltimore, Arizona, Washington, the Angels and the A's,  all of whom have losing records - are getting worse work from their relievers.

The Phillies latest gambit is to send Tajuan Walker to the pen. Not because he was scuffling as a starter - Walker had been doing just fine filling in for Aaron Nola in the rotation- but for the express purpose of addressing their bullpen woes. It means that prospect Mick Abel will get at least a couple of starts while Nola continues to work his way back. Abel was very impressive in his MLB debut a couple of weeks ago, tossing six shutout innings against Pittsburgh.

Kyle Schwarber and Bryce Harper lead the offence - Harper hasn't played since Spencer Strider opened the Phillies-Braves series by drilling Harper in the elbow with a 95 mph fastball. The Phillies have gone 1-4 in the games he's missed, but he should be back tonight. Beyond Schwarber and Harper, the Phillies feature a lot of veteran complementary bats - Trea Turner, Nick Castellanos, Max Kepler, J.T. Realmuto - none of whom hit much like stars, but all of whom chip in and keep the line moving. 

Actually, I guess Trea Turner is a little better than that.

Meanwhile, the Blue Jays will attempt tonight to win their sixth game n a row. The last time they did that was back in April 2023. We were all so much younger, full of hope and optimism. Not yet beaten down by the heartache and the natural shocks that flesh is heir to....

Matchups

Tue 3 June - Sanchez (4-1, 3.32) vs Francis (2-6, 5.04)
Wed 4 June - Abel (1-0, 0.00) vs Berrios (2-2, 3.86)
Thu 5 June - Luzardo (5-1, 3.58) vs Bassitt (5-3, 3.80)

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99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#460872) #
Sharing a thread from Chris Black (SN) about some adjustments Barger has made recently: https://x.com/downtoblack/status/1929589829135696311?s=46&t=4l5Asp9-bvrJ1JLMCd0Xlg


One clip in there blew my mind - he said he worked out like crazy and gained 45 pounds over Covid, from 160 - 205 pounds.
Glevin - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#460873) #
Would rather they just keep Barger at 3B. With the lefties, maybe they could have just had Gimenez play 3 games in Buffalo for this series.
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#460875) #
It’s not ideal playing Barger in RF when he is just getting untracked at third base in a big way. But this is the organizational philosophy under the current FO. At least the overall defence should be good.
pooks137 - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#460876) #
A little disappointed to see Michael Stefanic DFAed, although the move was inevitable.

I thought he was an interesting offseason minor league FA pickup given his AAA numbers at the time. His line at Buffalo continued the trend, but with zero power.

But he showed next to nothing at the MLB level when he finally got a chance to play with Bo day-to-day and Santander hurt.

I suppose he likely would've had to be jettisoned off the 26 & 40-man anyway considering the IL machinations and the roster crunch no matter how he played. But I'm disappointed for him that he continued to look very AAAA with yet another chance in the bigs.
pooks137 - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#460877) #
Springer at DH in the 3 hole tonight.

Barger in RF hitting 5th against the LHP Sanchez.

Clement at 3B. Davis Schneider in LF batting 7th, Straw in CF batting 8th.

Gimenez back in the lineup at 2B batting 9th.

Heineman activated from the IL, but on the bench.

Sanchez & Stefanic DFAed.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#460879) #
I get why people don't want Barger moved over, but there's a decent argument tonight's lineup maximizes both offense and defense (with the quibble being whether Roden is a better option vs LHP than Schneider).....which for me is more important.

And this is the time (i.e. when Varsho and Santander are injured) to use your positional flexibility imo.


Nigel - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#460880) #
I'm with uo on that. With Gimenez coming back the question was "who's ABs would he take?" (there being zero chance that they would sit their big offseason acquisition). Against a LHP the answer appears to be Lukes and I think there's merit in that. Now Gimenez vs. Lukes against a LHP? Not so clear, but that was never on the table so I think this is probably the best line-up given that constraint.
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#460881) #
I’m OK with it as long as it doesn’t adversely impact Barger’s development.

Also, Gimenez is 2/3 against Sanchez, so that’s another (minor) factor favouring starting him tonight.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#460882) #
"(there being zero chance that they would sit their big offseason acquisition)."

interesting there tho.

Gimenez will definitely get a chance to come back from injury here, and the Varsho and Santander injuries free up space.

But if the roster gets healthy in a couple weeks and Gimenez is still not doing anything at the plate, i wouldn't be shocked to see him start losing significant playing time.
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#460883) #
Especially if Clement stays hot.
jerjapan - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 06:16 PM EDT (#460884) #
I agree with you on Stefanic Pooks, been silently agreeing with a bunch of your posts lately.  But for a loyal org guy like that, the DFA is also doing him a solid, as he likely gets picked up.  If not, he will get called back up sometime this year.  Lukes was in a similar situation when he first signed? here.  Can't recall that transaction.    

For sure, Stefanic is the type of AAAA guy the org likes, Lukes, Heineman, Little, guys with reserve upside and specific skills of big league value.  Stefanic is certainly versatile.  

Which is why Barger in RF doesn't surprise me.  They are really leaning into a classic NL style play, guys moving around the field.  Phillies in town has me feeling nostalgiac.  

Good call on Gimenez Uglyone.  This has to be a 'going for it' season for the FO, for all the obvious reasons.  If Schneider needs to sit guys sometimes, they should sit.  

I remember the Spring training when Barger showed up jacked and then barged his way up the prospect charts.  Buck and Dan were talking about it a lot.  It generated lots of 'best shape of his life' gags, but turned out to be true.  His K rates kept him low on most people's prospects lists, but with the extra power, he took off.  Barger is potentially the best story of the season on the developmental level, though we could still use another prospect or two to emerge, if we want to win some postseason games.  

Although Bo and Vlad both going on a tear would certainly help.  
It's fun being on a hot streak.  Feels like it's been a while. 
SK in NJ - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#460885) #
If Barger is still playing RF when Varsho and Santander come back, then it would be an issue. Right now, it’s not ideal but might be the best way to optimize the roster at least against LHP. Frustrating though to finally develop an interesting 3B internally and have him move to RF to accommodate a utility player on a hot streak, even if it’s short term.
92-93 - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#460886) #
The alternative would be he just sits vs. the tough lefty and Clase or Heineman is in the lineup.

It’s really not a big deal for a few games vs. LHP, and it makes for a stronger infield defense.
Nigel - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#460887) #
I think that you could make a fairly compelling argument for sitting Gimenez and playing Clase in RF and Barger at 3B. But if you have to get Gimenez in then this makes a ton of sense.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#460888) #
I guess the org has to keep an eye what the levels would look like if we were actually fully healthy....


MLB

* CF Varsho*
* RF Santander*
* LF Lukes
* 3B Barger
* SS Bichette
* 2B Gimenez
* 1B Guerrero
* DH Springer
* C Kirk

* UT Schneider
* OF Straw
* IF Clement
* C Heineman


AAA

* CF Clase 23
* RF Loperfido 26
* LF Roden 25
* 3B Kasevich* 24
* SS Jimenez 24
* 2B Martinez 23
* 1B Nunez 24
* DH Wagner* 26
* C Bethancourt* 33

* UT Tirotta 26 --- Palmegiani 25 --- McCarty 26
* OF Robertson 27 - Pinango 23 ---
* IF Stefanic 29 -- Rivera 24 ---
* C Sanchez 28 ---- Clarke 27 --- Brooks 26


So 6 extra guys.

There's still 5 injuries saving most of their spots, but if Stefanic and Sanchez make it back to the Bisons roster I think they're going to have to let some guys go or send them down to AA.

And with Wagner and Bethancourt on the verge of return that's a couple more that need to be dropped.

I have no idea which depth guys here are a priority for the org, but I wonder if they actually wouldn't mind losing the likes of Stefanic and Sanchez.

electric carrot - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#460889) #
okay, that's a very poor start. Maybe Francis should never pitch in the first inning?
BlueJayWay - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#460890) #
So who takes Bowden's part in the rotation?
mathesond - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#460891) #
If the radio guys can be believed (and the audio stream is behind even Gameday), Barger's pretty strong defensively in the OF after holding Bohm to a single.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#460892) #
get him out of there come on.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#460893) #
might as well keep him in now, coach. game is over.
Nigel - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#460894) #
Optimal line-up discussions are comically irrelevant now.
Glevin - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#460895) #
Francis can't be starting anymore. He's been the worst pitcher in baseball. Let him figure something out in the minors maybe but you can't lose games all the time like this.
Nigel - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#460896) #
QualComp is a thing:( Crushing a AAA team on the weekend was fun but reality bites.
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#460897) #
Is this a bad time to mention that Yarbrough (salary: $2m) just shut down the Dodgers for six innings and has a 2.83 ERA?

Oh, now I remember. The Blue Jays only need one-inning pitchers.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#460900) #
I mean why pull him now? game is over. now you're just hurting the bullpen for the rest of the series.

you pull him 3 outs ago and we still have a game.
Nigel - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#460901) #
You pull him now because he's thrown 60 high stress pitches over an inning and two-thirds. There are limits to flogging a dead horse. That doesn't answer the question about an earlier pull of course.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#460902) #
flog him! he deserves it!

electric carrot - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#460904) #
"Crushing a AAA team on the weekend was fun but reality bites."

True-- but also sometimes your #5 starter gets crushed and it's not a reflection on the whole team. Let's see how the rest of the series plays out before deciding what "reality" is.
Nigel - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#460905) #
Oh for sure - neither is true based on the data to date. A minus 5 run differential over 59 games suggests the mushy middle is the most likely descriptor.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#460906) #
I suppose it's appropriate for me to get back to mocking and jeering Bowden Francis at every opportunity?

Well, barring a miracle comeback tonight, in his last 8 starts he's gone 0-5, 7.68. He's allowed 49 Hits and 12 HR in 34 IP. And the home runs... they're so plentiful. And so hard to defend.

Still, it's probably something we all should have seen coming, because in his final 9 starts of 2024, when Francis looked so much like an honest-to-goodness quality starter, the opposition batted just .125 on their BallsInPlay. Honest, .125. And regression to the mean can be so cruel....
John Northey - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#460908) #
So true Magpie. I think we all bought into the hopium that he provided. Of course, what other option was there/is there? We already have a bullpen day one out of 5, can't be doing 2 of those every 5 days, but Francis is forcing it. 6 of 12 starts sub 5 innings means his starts are pretty much bullpen days.
lexomatic - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#460909) #
Santander getting PRP injections in his shoulder is not good.
I expect him to be bad this season. Maybe injured for a while.

Have been looking at Francis' Statcast info. Some minor differences between this season and last. Pretty minor I think ( just a quick glance so far), but a touch worse. Thr bad stats are earned, but maybe a question of that was enoigh to throw everything off. Would be curious about beginning of last year vs end last year vs start this year. Did Francis build up strength etc that helped? Or was therr no real change?
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#460910) #
Don't think everyone was buying the francis hopium tbh. The starting rotation definitely seemed like the biggest issue on the team to me this offseason, not the position players.
lexomatic - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#460911) #
1)Pitch usage is different.
Last year he threw more curves (18% vs 13%) more sliders (9.3% vs 5.3%) sinker (3% v 1.8%).
Now he is throwing more fastball (51.3% v 56.2%) & splitter(18.3% vs 22.8 %).
2)This year he thrown a higher % of pitcjes to Lefty hitters.
Eg (2024- 420 FB v RHB & 379 v LHB 2025 - 210 FB v RHB & 307 v LHB). So looking at splits might be useful.He may need an opener to protect. He may need to pitch differently to LHB.
3)the patterns look tighter last year, so maybe its a command issue.
4) splitter velocity is down 1.8mph at bat totals(78 to 63) are pretty similar but hes given up 5 HR in 25 vs 0 in 24.
5) gap between actual avg vs expected avg & slg vs expected slg is similar, but this years actual number is last years expected number. Suggest some pitching over ability last season.
Hard to tell easily what's different, but I'd expect ir to reveal a bunch with the right data.


92-93 - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#460912) #
Indeed, some of us wanted a frontline SP over a Santander-ish bat. It was easy to see the rotation being a potential problem considering Francis came out of nowhere, Scherzer's health was unreliable, and the depth behind the starting 5 was paper thin.

It would be nice to see a bit more fight from the offense, this isn't all on Francis. Vladdy got ahead 2-0 with 2 men on and hit a chopper to the pitcher. The Red Sox gave up 6 at home last night and made it a one run game.
92-93 - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#460913) #
(Red Sox gave up 6 in the first)
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#460914) #
Well, the Blue Jays *had* a good long reliever/swingman before the season started. Yarbrough has now thrown 41.1 innings for the Yankees in 2025 and has strong topline and secondary stats (per Fangraphs and Baseball Savant).

Meanwhile, Francis has thrown 57 innings and been terrible.

The Blue Jays would have been wise to sign another SP — someone like Pivetta would have been brilliant — but letting Yarbrough walk was an own goal. He could have been a stopgap starter for the Blue Jays right now, with Francis pitching in the minors. Worse still, he’s helping the pitching-depleted NYY stay atop the AL East. It reminds me of when Atkins helped out the Yankees a while back by caving and trading them JP Happ at the deadline for a meagre return.
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#460915) #
JA Happ I mean!
greenfrog - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#460916) #
The Dodgers have signed Urena. I’m not sure why the Blue Jays let him go. He could have been a decent stopgap option for a while (until Scherzer and other injured SPs become available).
SK in NJ - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#460917) #
If Francis is removed from the rotation (which he probably should be), then what can the Jays realistically do to fill 2 rotation spots right now? Lauer probably should get one at this point. Turnbull might be used out of necessity, but he doesn't look much better. Beyond that they lack options and talent. Going to be hard to skate by with 3 starters.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#460918) #
Right now? Probably Lauer and Schultz. Both have been starters before and are stretched out somewhat so 5+ innings isn't unreasonable to hope for if given the shot. Both are older (30 + 27 respectively) so if you blow their arms out it isn't as big a deal as it is with young prospects. Lauer was signed as a free agent last winter, Schultz was acquired in a trade for Derek Fisher in 2021 - love those old deals that somehow work out.
dalimon5 - Tuesday, June 03 2025 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#460919) #
Lance Lynn is available.

Yarbrough asked to be released I think so he could sign with NY.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#460920) #
Lauer looks good enough to use for now to me.

We could consider letting Yariel start again.
pooks137 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#460921) #
Lauer has another year of service time left in 2026 but no minor league options according to Fangraphs.

He's pitched well enough so far to hang around as the swingman/5th starter.

It would also be worth keeping him around on the 26-man roster with an eye towards next year as your controllable, cheap Yarbrough type.
Kelekin - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#460922) #
Other than Turnbull, our current AAA options are...Estrada, Wallace, Van Eyk, Kloffenstein, Tolhurst, and Lucas.

Estrada's given up only 5 runs in his last 5 starts. Van Eyk is fresh to AAA. Kloff is still working through it. Tolhurst is starting for the first time. Lucas...is Lucas.
scottt - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 06:04 AM EDT (#460924) #
It's misleading because he added the splitter in the middle of last year.
Pre-splitter, he threw a lot of curves.

I think the splitter is not as good which has 2 effects.
They can hit the splitter.
They can identify splitter and fastball early.
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 07:57 AM EDT (#460929) #
I’m sure the Blue Jays could have found a way to keep Yarbrough if they wanted him and were willing to pay $2m or a bit more. I mean, he pitched for them last year and agreed to pitch for them again this spring.

The Athletic has a June 3 feature on Yarbrough and the reasons for his success this year. Apparently the Yankees made a change to his delivery and they’ve ‘also worked with him on his pitches. For example, his slider is getting more spin and about three inches more horizontal break, according to Statcast.’

“It’s been more about game planning and understanding how everything works and moves,” (Yarbrough) said. “Maybe little tweaks with pitches, but nothing super crazy. Just really understanding how everything moves and really utilizing my whole arsenal.”
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 08:12 AM EDT (#460930) #
Also, the Yankees cheat.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 08:17 AM EDT (#460934) #
Sorry about that. Having some issues with this site recently tbh.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#460935) #
Ben Rice on pace for less than 3 WAR vs Vladdy closer to 5 WAR and that's with Rice skipping starts against top pitchers and getting lots of rest. Last month you were talking about how the Jays have terrible value with Vlad who was on pace to be passed by Ben Rice who was on pace to outslug Aaron Judge at the time. Vladdy still hasn't even heated up.

Now we're talking about Yarbrough. It's not you, it's me, it's all of us. It's so easy now to cherry pick and find faults and missed opportunities with all the numbers and stats available. I think the bottom line is that this team needs Bo and Vlad to post big numbers and Santander to hit 40+ HR while getting elite performance from 2-3 bullpen arms and overall above league average starting pitching to contend. That's it. Yarbrough isn't going to change that. Vlad making more money than Ben Rice in a hot month won't change that.

Now, having said all of this, I just picked up Ben Rice in my fantasy league because some moron dropped him!
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#460936) #
Also, I have accepted the FACT that many people on this site are smarter than and likely can run a team better than the current manager and front office. The idea to run an opener out there before Francis comes in is brilliant and should have been in play by this coaching staff/front office since the beginning of May.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 10:01 AM EDT (#460937) #
By the by, I was disappointed to see Yabrough not retained this season by Toronto because he performed well last year and is fun to watch. I think he would be perfect for this team I just accepted that he wasn't kept here because the FO thought they had better options. Full team bullpen:

Hoffman
Garcia
Sandlin
Little
Swanson
Rodriguez
Chad Green

For the Jays to commit to Yarbrough they likely would have to see him as better than one of those guys when they probably felt that in addition to those arms they also had Fluharty as a LHP in the minors ready to contribute.
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#460938) #
By my calculation, Vladdy is on pace for around 3.8 WAR (1.4 fWAR through 60 games = 3.78 fWAR over 162 games), while Rice is on pace for 3.3 WAR (1.2 fWAR through 59 games = 3.3 fWAR over 162 games).

The main reason why Vladdy has a higher WAR at this point in the season is because he’s played a lot more (265 PA versus 201 PA for Rice). Rice has actually been the better hitter: 141 wRC+ compared to 136 for Vladdy. Also, Rice is primarily a DH and Vladdy is primarily a first baseman, so Rice accrues minimal to no WAR value on defense.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#460939) #

2025

* Rice 26: 201pa, 141wrc+, 3.9war650
* Barger 25: 136pa, 137wrc+, 7.2war650

2024

* Rice 25: 178pa, 73wrc+, -1.1war650
* Barger 24: 235pa, 70wrc+, -0.8war650
92-93 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#460940) #
Unless your league is very deep you can probably drop Rice, dalimon5. His projections are not good for a standard roto.

Since May 9th = Barger 1.5fwar, Judge 1.8fwar
pooks137 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#460941) #
I agree with you on Stefanic Pooks, been silently agreeing with a bunch of your posts lately.

Thank you for the kind words, jerjapan. Your compliment made my day.

It's really nice that a peña like the Batter's Box is still around from the old Internet days dating back to JPR.

dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#460942) #
Ben Rice w/ Less AB's than Guerrero helps his numbers not the opposite. He sits against lefties and tough starters compared to Vlad while being pinch hit for late in games when necessary. He's been very protected (which is smart):

May 22 vs Eovaldi
April 28 vs Sugano
April 20 vs Pepiot
April 16 sat Bubic
April 6 sat Heaney

He also has the benefit of hitting behind the best hitter in baseball and before Paul Goldschmidt having a great season which is to say you're comparing a guy with a small track record of success put in a very favourable position against another player who has not had the same help. It's the same thing with Yarbrough right now. He went to the NYY and they helped to identify adjustments he could make and now the skewed comparisons are made of what the Jays could have had.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#460943) #
I traded a bunch of picks last year and was running Arraez out as my everyday 1B so... but yes I completely expect this NYY to fall out of 1st place. I just see Grisham cooling off more, Rice regressing and Goldschmidt regressing and all of this assumes Judge remains healthy which is no guarantee. I can easily see TB taking the division if they promote Carson Williams and McClanahan returns end of July.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#460944) #
Might as well do the whole Yankees comparison for fun....




* RF Judge 33: 266pa, 241wrc+, 12.5war650
* 1B Guerrero 26: 265pa, 136wrc+, 3.4war650

* 1B Goldschmidt 37: 242pa, 143wrc+, 4.3war650
* DH Springer 35: 217pa, 141wrc+, 2.4war650

* DH Rice 26: 201pa, 141wrc+, 3.9war650
* 3B Barger 25: 136pa, 137wrc+, 7.2war650

* CF Grisham 28: 194pa, 140wrc+, 4.4war650
* LF Lukes 30: 127pa, 127wrc+, 3.1war650

* SS Volpe 24: 243pa, 114wrc+, 4.0war650
* SS Bichette 27: 273pa, 112wrc+, 2.4war650

* C Wells 25: 190pa, 100wrc+, 5.1war650
* C Kirk 26: 187pa, 108wrc+, 5.6war650

* 3B Chisholm 27: 128pa, 115wrc+, 5.1war650
* CF Varsho 28: 100pa, 108wrc+, 4.6war650

* LF Bellinger 29: 228pa, 115wrc+, 4.3war650
* 2B Clement 29: 193pa, 103wrc+, 5.7war650

* 2B Lemahieu 36: 54pa, 86wrc+, 1.2war650
* RF Straw 31: 109pa, 93wrc+, 4.2war650


* UT Stanton 35: 0pa
* UT Santander 30: 209pa, 66wrc+, -2.5war650

* OF Dominguez 22: 191pa, 119wrc+, 2.4war650
* OF Schneider 26: 28pa, 124wrc+, 2.3war650

* IF Peraza 25: 98pa, 59wrc+, -0.7war650
* IF Gimenez 26: 147pa, 65wrc+, 1.3war650

* C Escarra 30: 62pa, 104wrc+, 5.2war650
* C Heineman 34: 51pa, 172wrc+, 14.0war650


* UT Cabrera 26: 122pa, 84wrc+, 1.1war650
* OF Clase 23: 50pa, 102wrc+, 2.6war650

* IF Vivas 24: 53pa, 52wrc+, -2.5war650
* OF Roden 25: 85pa, 50wrc+, 0.0war650

* OF Reyes 31: 28pa, 37wrc+, -7.0war650
* IF Wagner 26: 68p1, 51wrc+, -3.8war650






so two big differences:

* 1. Judge continues his suspiciously Bondsian late career surge into unstoppable, while Vladdy is off his usual pace.

* 2. Jays have used two guys who have struggled horrifically (Santander and Gimenez) way more than the Yanks have used any guys who have struggled.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#460945) #
Nice summary Ugly and I think your second takeaway can also be attributed to better line up and in game management.
scottt - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#460946) #
What irritated me was Lovelady and Barnes making the team.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#460947) #
Yeah I think that was just to buy some service time on guys like Fluharty. I like to think the FO was straight with Yarbrough and told him they didn't have a spot for him long term for the season and so he decided that if he wouldn't have a guaranteed spot here then he might as well go to another team in the USA on the same deal. In other words he would only stay here if guaranteed a spot verbally.
92-93 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#460949) #
They released Yarbrough because they didn't want to guarantee his 2MM salary.
GabrielSyme - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#460950) #
I don't see the relevance of comparing Vlad and Ben Rice. The good fortune of the Yankees might irritate, but shouldn't affect how we view Vlad or his contract. And, for the record, I'll take Barger over Rice.

Vlad's current xwOBA is .412, which is slightly better than last year, and includes his habitual somewhat slow start.
SK in NJ - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#460952) #
Based on what is available, I like today's lineup. Roden-Clase-Lukes from left to right, with Barger back at 3B, and Springer at DH.
Kelekin - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#460954) #
Lots of speed at the bottom of the lineup.

Checking in on Baseball Savant and I see they have a new "Attack Angle" metric. They write, "Attack angle measures the vertical direction that the sweet spot of the bat is traveling at the moment it hits the baseball." Higher attack angle = likely fly ball, lower attack angle = likely ground ball.

Ideal attack range is 5-20 degrees. Vladdy's average is 1 degree, the lowest of qualified batters. He is 3rd lowest in Ideal Attack Angle %.

I don't really know in the broader sense what this data tells us, but it is interesting when looking at his career on the whole that his underlying metrics year after year show us someone who should be performing better, yet his ability to get the right launch angle sweet spot is always pretty poor.

It's hard not to think there's something there mechanically to unlock that last bit of potential.
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#460955) #
GabrielSyme, I actually agree with all of that. I recently noticed Vladdy’s high xwOBA as well and thought it was promising. Thanks for conveying your point of view in a normal and reasonable way.
Nigel - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#460957) #
Today's line-up appears to answer the question "who's ABs will Gimenez take?". It looks like Lukes against a LHP and Clement against a RHP.
Gerry - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#460959) #
I think tonights game is a big one. They are facing a rookie and it should be their best chance of a win in the series and they have to win to possibly win the series.
jerjapan - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#460960) #
It would be nice to take it to a good team, for once, although I do like it when we beat up on the bad ones.  

I'm glad we cut Yarbrough and Urena, we need to keep those roster spots fluid.  Those two are fungible as it gets, although obviously results-wise, Yarbrough has been good.  Who knows if he has the same success here?  And I generally think it is the 'right' thing to do for most vets who want to catch on in a good spot.  

I posted a few times last year about just not getting Francis.  He looked pretty cromulent, maybe, but than he was nearly unhitable, for weeks.  

Is it likely just regression, or is he something of an outlier?  
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#460961) #
Abel has walked 5.1 batters per 9IP over his career in the minors (he improved on that a bit this year with 4.1 batters walked per 9IP).

The Blue Jays should be patient and force him to throw strikes. Don’t swing at balls and borderline pitches.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#460963) #
"Thanks for conveying your point of view in a normal and reasonable way."

Yes, good job following the "how to post as a normal person" guide posted on this site.

GabrielSyme - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#460964) #
"Thanks for conveying your point of view in a normal and reasonable way."

Past performance no guarantee of future results.

"The Blue Jays should be patient and force [Abel] to throw strikes. Don’t swing at balls and borderline pitches."

I actually think the Jays are relatively well-suited overall to be patient. Sure, Bo and Ernie are never going to walk that much, but even they have cut down on their chasing, and most of the rest of the lineup is pretty good at laying off bad pitches.
Nigel - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#460965) #
The line-up tonight is just about the best "patience lineup" the Jays can field. Clement is actually up to a BB% of just a shade under 6%. The hackers this year (5% or below) are Varsho, Heineman and Straw and are all out of the line-up.
GabrielSyme - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#460968) #
Jays are being pretty patient, not expanding the zone, but Abel isn't having any difficulty throwing strikes thus far. Still good to see the Jays exercising good judgement at the plate.
GabrielSyme - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#460971) #
I'm not super-impressed by Abel. The stuff looks good, and he's pounding the zone, but the Jays have come up with a fair bit of good contact and Abel isn't keeping the ball on the ground.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#460973) #
bullpen game now. kind of a big game too. let's see how our manager does.
Glevin - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#460975) #
Myles straw should never pinch hit for anyone. Maybe if it's a bunt situation but Schneider's reflexive l/r punch hitting is so absurd.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#460976) #
Little is a bit of a beast tbh.


Nigel - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#460977) #
Normally I’d support bringing in the closer here but with the way Hoffman has been going I would have left Little in.
christaylor - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#460979) #
"Dejection... this is big boy baseball."

Indeed it was, indeed it was, Shulman. Now I'm going to check the hockey score.
scottt - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#460980) #
Gimenez had a solid game. 2 hits. Made some nice plays. Scored.
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#460981) #
Great win with excellent pitching and a dramatic finish.

Luzardo has pronounced L/R splits. Guessing we'll see a lot of RHB against him tomorrow. The lineup could look something like:

Bichette SS
Vladdy 1B
Springer DH
Kirk C
Barger 3B
Clement 2B
Schneider LF
Clase RF
Straw CF
pooks137 - Wednesday, June 04 2025 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#460985) #
A little bit of trivia.

Joe Siddall, a LHH backup catcher, hit his only MLB HR in his last MLB season in '98 with the Tigers.

He hit it against the Mariners on the wrong side of the platoon advantage against a former Expos teammate and starter.

Any guesses?
hypobole - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 01:20 AM EDT (#460986) #
If it isn't the Big Unit, I have no clue.
Nigel - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 01:26 AM EDT (#460987) #
Mark Langston is the only other Expo/Mariner LHP I can think of but I’m not sure he lasted to 1998? It would be close as he retired around then,
Nigel - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 01:28 AM EDT (#460988) #
Ack - even if not retired Langston was not pitching for the M’s then.
scottt - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:50 AM EDT (#460993) #
The one I have in mind was drafted by the Cards in 84 from the University of Mississippi.
He had a good year in A ball with a 2.45 ERA but by 89 only had a 5.22 ERA in AAA and was picked by the White Sox in the minor part of the Rule 5 draft.
They released him before he even played in their system and was signed by Cleveland.
He produced a 2.80 ERA as a 27 year old reliever in AA.
The Expos signed him at 28 and he made his debut after 18 games in AAA with a 1.47 ERA where he didn't start.
The Expos didn't convert him back into a starter until 95, when he was 30.
From that point he was one of their main starter until they traded him to Seattle for Trey Moore, Matt Wagner and Chris Widger.
pooks137 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:40 AM EDT (#460994) #
Randy Johnson & Mark Langston are good guesses.

But they neither of them had enough fasstball.
92-93 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:57 AM EDT (#460995) #
Day game after a night game could mean Heineman draws the start. Kirk has been hitting well enough for it to make sense to DH him vs. the lefty, but they might be more hesitant to do so without Varsho around.

Heads will explode the first time Barger sits and Gimenez is in the lineup, and that might be today.
pooks137 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#460998) #
It seems wrong to DH Kirk when you have so many OF bats on the bench that really need PAs.

But I suppose so many of them list to the left that DHing Kirk is probably necessary in your optimal vs LHP lineup even if you give Barger everyday PAs vs LH starters.
lexomatic - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#460999) #
<It has to be Fassero, right?
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#461000) #
Kirk is scorching hot for at least the last month or so and the projections still think his bat is as good as any Jay's other than vladdy.
pooks137 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#461001) #
We have a winner! Congratulations lexomatic!

I didn't realize, as scottt pointed out, that Jeff Fassero had such an unusual career arc.

He didn't debut with Montreal until '91 at age 28, didn't get a FT starting role until 31 during the ill-fated '94 incomplete year and hung around all the way until 2006, pitching out of the Giants pen at 43.

There's still hope for the Bowden Francis, Nate Pearson, Eric Lauer types yet!
pooks137 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#461002) #
The order 3-9

Springer RF
Kirk DH
Clement 3B
Schneider 2B
Clase LF
Straw CF
Heineman C

Barger with the afternoon off against LHP Luzardo.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#461003) #
Maybe we’ll see Barger pinch-hit later in the game.
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#461005) #
gotta love when the lefty-mashing lineup actually mashes the lefty.
Jonny German - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#461006) #
All hail John Schneider’s brilliant lineup construction!
electric carrot - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#461007) #
Jays just pounding that triple A pitching.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#461008) #
The Blue Jays were widely criticized for the Straw trade, but he has actually been a valuable player this season. wRC+ up to 101 to go along with his good defense.
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#461009) #
This would be a very nice series win against a good team given what Francis gave them in the first inning of the series.


and yeah Straw's been awesome for sure. I still don't believe for a second he can keep it up....but we're approaching the halfway point soon enough so i dunno.

And now Schneider's hitting again since he came back up and suddenly we have a potential full RHH bench to support a lefty-heavy starting 9.


let's see if Santander can earn his way back in to this lineup.
John Northey - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#461010) #
That is the question - how to handle it when Santander shows up. He hasn't shown anything good this season, but when back guys like (wRC+ in brackets) Straw (97), Lukes (124), Schneider (129), Roden (46), and Clase (83) playing time. Varsho also will cost those same guys playing time, but Varsho is at 108 with WOW defense vs Santander at 66 with no defensive value.

If Santander keeps being unable to hit the Jays have a tough decision to make - do you keep him in the lineup due to his contract (which is $13.7 mil per year for 5 years for CBT purposes) or do you bench him due to so many others hitting far better. A gusty move would be to leave him on the bench until the hot guys (Lukes/Schneider/Straw) cool off. No idea what his status is so it might be academic by the time he is healthy.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#461011) #
With positive things happening up and down the roster, dare we say that it might be not just “meh” but actually…good?
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#461012) #
It's a pretty good and deep roster I think......but still probably lacks impact elite wow at the top of the roster, and depth in the rotation.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#461013) #
Yes, the biggest and best upgrade would seem to be a front-of-the-rotation SP. Then maybe one more really good experienced hitter. Then maybe a competent depth SP.

scottt - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#461014) #
I remember the early Fassero days quite well.
I was too busy to worry about baseball in the 90s.
Except, maybe, they odd Lynx game.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#461015) #
Run differential up to -1
John Northey - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#461016) #
Very, very few high end starters available. The bad teams don't have many anymore - used to be they'd have 1 or 2 really good starters no matter how bad they were, but maybe that is just my memory playing games on me.

The most interesting might be Sandy Alcantara - Miami's ace pre-2024, missed 2024 due to TJ surgery, and has sucked this year (7.89 ERA over 12 starts, 57 IP). He is signed for 2026 ($17.3) and has a team option for 2027 ($2 mil buyout vs $21 mil salary). If the Jays feel he is suffering due to being in a poor organization and could be solid here he could be a heck of a buy low opportunity. 8 WAR year in 2022, Cy that year. 120 lifetime ERA+ despite the 50 ERA+ so far this year. Wonder what he'd cost in a trade, and if he'd be better with the Jays 'wow' defense and damn good catchers.

With the way the staff is I think going after high risk-high reward is the best way to go. Solid lower rotation inning eaters like the A's Luis Severino (90 ERA+, 108 lifetime) can be useful but if the Jays want to go into the playoffs and go deep you need 'wow', not solid.
SK in NJ - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#461018) #
Great series win.

Agreed on Alcantara. He’s the only SP realistically available with front of the rotation upside. You just have to hope his current performance is an aberration, but salary is reasonable enough, and the Jays defense would help him tremendously. Just a matter of what the Marlins would want in return.

Either way, SP is by far the biggest need now, and they need an impact guy, not another #4-5.
mendocino - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#461019) #
Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN

On our podcast that lands tomorrow, @JeffPassan and I talk about the idea of Bo Bichette being traded.
Glevin - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#461020) #
I don't want want the Jays to be too caught up on this year particularly. If they play great, start winning tons of games, great, but this is not a team with a good chance of winning so trading a top prospect to go from a 3% chance to a 3.5% chance to win doesn't make sense to me. That could change if their play improves of course. Similarly Passan was on radio yesterday talking about Bo and I know Jays almost certainly won't trade him and he wouldn't be worth trading if the return is meh but if you can get good medium or long-term assets for him and aren't planning to re-sign him holding on to him makes no sense. It's prioritizing competing this year over competing over next few.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#461021) #
Maybe the Blue Jays can do both by trading for a young controllable SP. The team seemingly now has a lot of young desirable prospects they could trade for such a player.
hypobole - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#461022) #
Alcantara might seem a great buy low, but why would Miami sell low? Might as well hang on and hope his command, which seems to be the root of his problems, returns to at least close to his previous levels. 
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#461023) #
Is there a team in a similar situation as the jays who might trade a 27yr old front-end SP with an expiring contract to us for Bo?
scottt - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#461024) #
Alcantara is under contract for another year.
The Marlins won't trade him unless you pay for what he should be rather than what he is, since he could revert next year.
Would you trust him to start one of your do-or-die playoffs game?
I wouldn't.

The Jays have a lot of injured pitchers eventually coming back.
Including the rule 5 pick.
scottt - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#461025) #
They won't trade Bichette because that's not how they operate.
Passan is among a lot of folks who don't seem to understand that the Jays are not the Rays.
Last year it was Bassitt. This year it was Guerrero until they extended him.
Since then, it's been Bichette.

I just ignore those types of articles and unfollow the media that pushes them.

Even in 2013, when they realized they wouldn't be competing in 2014, they didn't unload anybody for prospects.

Now, Rogers is willing to spend and they'll figure out how to spend Bichette's salary. 
I don't even want to imagine how Schneider would struggle to put a lineup together without Bichette leading.
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#461029) #
Springer has been leadoff a lot under Schneider, and is actually hitting like a leadoff hitter this year too.
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#461030) #
https://x.com/whstancil/status/1930786579208868291
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#461031) #
eh didn't mean to post that here sorry.
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#461032) #
Plausible Best Lineup using This Year's Stats only:


1. DH Springer r: 224pa, .299babip, .367obp, 137wrc+, 2.3war650
2. 1B Guerrero r: 274pa, .299babip, .380obp, 130wrc+, 3.3war650
3. 3B Barger l: 141pa, .315babip, .333obp, 132wrc+, 6.9war650
4. SS Bichette r: 281pa, .308babip, .324obp, 117wrc+, 2.8war650
5. LF Lukes l: 129pa, .281babip, .360obp, 124wrc+, 2.5war650
6. C Alejandro r: 195pa, .325babip, .354obp, 112wrc+, 6.0war650
7. CF Varsho l: 100pa, .196babip, .240obp, 108wrc+, 4.6war650
8. 2B Clement r: 198pa, .310babip, .323obp, 105wrc+, 5.6war650
9. RF Straw r: 114pa, .326babip, .318obp, 97wrc+, 4.6war650

B. UT Schneider r: 32pa, .333babip, .406obp, 129wrc+, 4.1war650
B. OF Clase s: 57pa, .316babip, .321obp, 83wrc+, 1.1war650
B. IF Gimenez l: 150pa, .226babip, .280obp, 70wrc+, 1.7war650
B. C Heineman s: 55pa, .476babip, .318obp, 178wrc+, 14.2war650

X. UT Santander s: 209pa, .218babip, .273obp, 66wrc+, -2.5war650
X. OF Roden l: 88pa, .203babip, .250obp, 44wrc+, 0.0war650
X. IF Wagner l: 68pa, .250babip, .284obp, 51wrc+, -3.8war650
X. IF Stefanic r: 25pa, .211babip, .280obp, 41wrc+, 0.0war650
X. C Sanchez r: 11pa, .250babip, .182obp, 20wrc+, 0.0war650
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#461034) #
Toronto is currently holding down the third and final AL WC spot, which shows how well they’ve been doing of late.
pooks137 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#461035) #
Old friend Thomas Hatch is now 30.

He was called up by the Royals today for the 1st half of a double header, didn't pitch, then was DFAed before Game 2.

At least MLBTR notes he gets 3 days service time & 12.5k in MLB pay anyways.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#461036) #
Fangraphs chat:

12:33
Appa Yip Yip: Are you buying what Addison Barger is selling?

12:33
Dan Szymborski: I don’t think he’s *this* good. It’s funny, I just mentioned this issue on twitter pre chat

12:34
Dan Szymborski: https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/1930652332108517504

12:34
Dan Szymborski: I think he’s a good part of a team. I don’t think he’s a 130 wRC+ guy

12:35
Dan Szymborski: Though it DOES make me happy in that some OOTP players were really annoyed with me that ZiPS was projecting a nobody like Barger to be pretty good
greenfrog - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#461037) #
1:07
Addison Barger fan club: Back to Barger for a second. Does ZiPS take into account his quality of contact? His exit velocity is elite.

1:07
Dan Szymborski: more robust model does have him 117 rest of season rather than 112
Super Bluto - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#461038) #
I wonder if the Jays ought to call up a third catcher so that Kirk and Heineman can play in the same game with one DHing and the other catching. At least until Heineman cools off.
SK in NJ - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#461039) #
The Jays won't be trading Bichette unless they are out of it at the deadline. Right now they are tied with the Rays for the last WC spot (tiebreaker goes to Tampa so technically the Jays are on the outside looking in), but only 1 game back of WC1 and 5.5 games back of the Yankees for the division on June 5th. I don't think the thought of selling has even entered their minds right now, even ignoring their lame duck status. Not sure why Passan thinks that's worth mentioning at this point. If they fall out of it in the next month, then you can have that conversation.

If the Jays are this close to a playoff spot or actually in a playoff position by the trade deadline, then they absolutely should be buying. I don't think this team as is has a chance of doing anything in the post season if they made it, but the crapshoot nature of just getting in combined with adding pieces at the deadline that could elevate their true talent level makes going for it a very reasonable act. I have no doubt the Jays can improve at the deadline without sacrificing top prospects. Rentals don't cost much. Trading Orelvis for someone with 2 months of control left isn't going to make or break the franchise (for example). If they are trading Nimmala or Yesavage, or players in that category, then that's a different story. I don't think we have to worry about that though.
uglyone - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#461040) #
we should trade for Sale maybe.
dalimon5 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#461041) #
Manoah and Scherzer will be back soon enough. There's a path to add two high end arms to your bullpen so you can pitch 5 innings from your starter then close out each game. That's how I would improve the pitching.

To really find the right player Toronto needs some wild card teams to fall out of the race this month. I'm thinking of Minnesota, Cleveland, San Diego and St. Louis. They have good players the Jays can trade for if they fall out of contention.
92-93 - Thursday, June 05 2025 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#461042) #
Speaking of Springer and the leadoff position - it's crazy that Bichette has batted first all season, never falling below .270, and yet he somehow has only scored 25 runs. That shouldn't be possible in any lineup, and certainly not in front of Guerrero. It only gets stranger when you see that he leads the team in RBI, without particularly spectacular performances from the #8 and #9 spots in the Jays order (.314obp). Is the Jays best leadoff hitter actually Vladdy, in a world where you aren't managing personalities?
uglyone - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#461043) #
Yeah it is interesting.

Before tonight, hitting with RISP:

Guerrero 68pa, 16.2b%, .302avg, .245iso = 23rbi
Bichette 67pa, 9.0b%, .383avg, .250iso = 28rbi
Springer 64pa, 14.1b%, .235avg, .059iso = 15rbi
Alejandro 58pa, 5.2b%, .294avg, .137iso = 22rbi
Clement 58pa, 5.2b%, .300avg, .100iso = 15rbi
Santander 57pa, 12.3b%, .163avg, .122iso = 13rbi
Lukes 48pa, 6.3b%, .262avg, .024iso = 14rbi
Gimen3z 40pa, 5.0b%, .139avg, .000iso = 5rbi
Barger 38pa, 15.8b%, .281avg, .188iso = 12rbi
Varsho 33pa, 3.0b%, .138avg, .310iso = 12rbi
Straw 31pa, 0.0b%, .276avg, .034iso = 8rbi


Some evidence that swapping Bichette and Springer in the order might make sense at least.
John Northey - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 12:53 AM EDT (#461044) #
Going back to 2021-24 with Springer-Bo-Vlad might be a good idea right now. But as long as they are hitting like they are right now I can't see much changing. The old if it ain't broke, why fix it rule.
dalimon5 - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 12:54 AM EDT (#461045) #
"Is the Jays best leadoff hitter actually Vladdy, in a world where you aren't managing personalities?"

Yes and would remind me of when Gibby batted Bautista leadoff.
92-93 - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 01:42 AM EDT (#461046) #
Yariel last pitched May 31st, and has entered the "needs work" zone. He should open tomorrow's game.
greenfrog - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 04:33 AM EDT (#461047) #
Some possible reasons why Bichette hasn’t scored a lot of runs this season:

-His OBP (.321) is relatively low for a leadoff hitter. He has a 23rd percentile BB%

-Santander has been awful in the #3 slot, so Bo is being driven in less often

-Bichette is no longer fast or adept at stealing bases. He has a 9th percentile Baserunning Run Value

I’ve said from the beginning of the season that I don’t think Bo is well suited to being a leadoff hitter.
Mike Green - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#461049) #
A schedule note. The Blue Jays have days off on June 12, 16 and 23, and then play every day from June 24 to July 9. They'll need a pitching plan for that long stretch, and it's possible that Adam Kloffenstein will end up as part of it. Youneverknow.
scottt - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#461050) #
Trump has recently issued a travel ban on several countries including Venezuela and Cuba.
This could bring back a load of "visa issue" as we often see in Spring Training.
Hodgie - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#461059) #
I'd love to see the Jays challenge Vlad with the leadoff spot. One doesn't need to go back to Bautista, point out the yeoman's work Ohtani is doing leading off for the Dodgers.

Unrelated, but this Fangraphs article is just another reason to love baseball. Love those unicorns.

JB21 - Friday, June 06 2025 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#461068) #
"This could bring back a load of "visa issue" as we often see in Spring Training."

I believe athletes are exempt (World Cup, Olympics, etc.).
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