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Andy Pettitte retired in 2010. Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera are back for another go-round. But one less tie to recent Yankee greatness is no longer going to step to (or squat behind) the plate for the Bronx Bombers.

The Associated Press reported Saturday that free agent catcher Jorge Posada will announce his retirement this month, after 17 seasons with the New York Yankees rather than pursue opportunities with other teams. (Yahoo! || ESPN New York)

A five-time All-Star, Posada compiled a career batting average of .273 with 275 home runs and 1,065 RBIs, winning the Silver Slugger Award five times as best hitting catcher in the American League and won five World Series titles with the team that drafted him in the 24th round of the 1990 draft.

Only Hall of Famers Bill Dickey and Yogi Berra caught more games in Yankee pinstripes than Posada, who did so 1,574 times. So there's the basis for tonight's question and the "Hall Watch" designation of this thread ... does Jorge eventually join his predecessors Bill and Lawrence (that's Yogi, kids) in Cooperstown?

And if not, where does he rank in the annals of Yankee backstops? In addition to the two HOFers, don't forget Bresnahan, Howard, Munson and more!

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Mick Doherty - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 01:24 AM EST (#250256) #

I have it:

  1. Berra
  2. Dickey
  3. Posada
  4. Bresnahan
  5. Munson
  6. Howard

But I can be convinced to change ANY of those, except possibly #1 ...


Mike Green - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 09:07 AM EST (#250259) #
I am pretty sure that the writers won't vote him in.  As for the veterans, who knows?

I agree with Mick's ordering of the Yankee catchers.  It is very, very hard to compare catchers with other positions, and therefore to decide whether someone like Posada ought to be in the Hall of Fame.  My subjective impression is that he falls a little shy.  Bill Dickey was, however, only a little better than Posada. 

gnor - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 09:10 AM EST (#250260) #
Does he belong in the Hall? According to he's just a bit below the standards for the average HOFer. He's certainly not up there with Berra or Dickey, but he deserves a place on the ballot at least.

HOF voting is going to be very interesting in the next few years, because guys like McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, etc., are going to be appearing on the ballots. Do voters take the long view and penalize them, or do they say "oh, well, everybody was juicing at that time, so they were playing on a level field"?

lexomatic - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 09:45 AM EST (#250263) #
Indication so far is that the voters will penalize.
Mick Doherty - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 02:37 PM EST (#250269) #

Doh! I didnt evn think to look at the BBRef HOF similarity listings ....

As a hitter, anyway -- and Posada was a good glove and arm, but nothing spectacular -- there are lots of highly-ranked HOF comparables, like Fisk, Hartnett, G. Carter, Lombardi and, yes, both Berra and Dickey, but those are evenly mixed with solid-but-not-enshrinable names like Parrish, Santiago, Varitek, Freehan and J. Lopez.

I guess that quantifies Posada as even more extreme borderline case ...

Mike Green - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 03:17 PM EST (#250270) #
Freehan was a helluva player, not as much bat as Posada but with a better glove.  The Hall of Merit summoned him, but I am not sure whether I agree. 
Richard S.S. - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 03:51 PM EST (#250271) #
I have a question.   This happens: .  In response, we get: , then: , then: , then finally: .  My apologies, but I find some of the above, not very interesting.   I like discussing the Blue Jays, and none of the above are appropriate spots to do so.   Where, besides an abandoned posting, can I do so?
Mick Doherty - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 04:23 PM EST (#250272) #

Richard, we do our best.

First, a minor point of style -- I went ahead and clicked through all five of the URLs you included in that post so I could contextualize what you were talking about (even though the first one I clicked sort of randomly pointed to Mike Green's user profile -- still can't figure that one out) . Can I suggest for your readers' sakes, you instead include a short description of the thread you are referencing, or even the headline text which you can, if you like, then link to as anchor text to the URL, rather than just posting the nondescriptive URL in mid-text? I'm just going to guess that the vast majority of Bauxites sort of skimmed over your post without really even trying to read it (which is hard to do when 40% f its length is full URLs). So we don't know if anyone agrees or disagrees with you or if there are alternative or additional suggestions, or what.

That said, I agree that there are threads posted to Batter's Box that are not interesting to me, or to a variety of others. It's a wide range of topics that ebb and flow -- just for instance, the Hall of Names, which I mostly manage,, many people really like it, some have expresed enormous distaste for it, most are probably somewhere in the middle. Still, it's in ebb -- hasn't been one posted since 11/3 and none are currently in the works. Some week soon I'll probably post three or four all at once.

More importantly, all members of the Box are always open and invited to submit guest threads if something seems lacking or if the next Big Idea is out there. Write it up, send it to someone on the Roster and after review (and often some stylistic editing, to be fair), it can be posted here for everyone to consider and to use as a commenting space. In the thousands of threads that have been posted since we launched eight or nine years ago, dozens upon dozens have originated from individuals not on the roster. Join in! (Disclaimer: not all submission will be published, but all will be reviewed and considered. For example, we generally do not publish fiction or anything that can be read as flameworthy,)

As our motto says, this is "baseball from a Canadian perspective," which often focuses on, but does not solely mean "Blue Jays baseball."  If you think we are lacking in a certain area, you are welcome to step and pinch-hit. (Careful though -- #2JBrumfield throws a nasty splitter ...)

codyla - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 04:30 PM EST (#250273) #
In case anybody is interested... Former Blue Jays catcher Kevin Cash officially announced his retirement and is returning to Blue Jays as a Major-League Advanced Scout.
Original Ryan - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 07:03 PM EST (#250276) #
I started posting here not long after the site went online in 2002 (back when it was a zombie-like cult allegedly run by a highly-secretive cabal), and Da Box has always been about more than the Blue Jays. The site is primarily about baseball, and the Blue Jays just happen to be the team discussed most frequently.

If you're looking for a Blue Jays message board, then try or the Blue Jays' official site. If you're looking for civil discussion on various baseball topics, then that's what this site is for.

On a side note, it's hard to believe that this site has been around for almost ten years. Few blogs stick around that long.
Mick Doherty - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 08:18 PM EST (#250281) #

OR, I think the decision to go public in 2006, which allowed the roster to split the $6 million valuation fee really helped us stay afloat. (Obviously, kidding.)

We turn 10 on Oct. 30 of this year. Here's the very first thread ever published on Da Box, by (of course) retired roster founder Kent "Coach" Williams and prominently mentioning our own Jordan Furlong, who is apparently now the godfather, tenure-wise, of Da Box.

Sometime before the season we will post a thread asking for suggestions on how (or even if) we should celebrate our 10th anniversary. So get those brainboxes bustling, Bauxites!

hypobole - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 10:38 PM EST (#250282) #
Another poster brought up this subject, and it was also mentioned by MLBTR that the signing of Darren Oliver seems to be delayed by the Jays trying to clear a roster spot.

I don't recall much (if any) discussion on the subject, so I'll put it out there. Who's going? Will it be by trade? Will it be a DFA? Who should go?

Will it be Mark "Sunk Cost" Teahen? Darin "Set Me Free" Mastroianni? Or can AA somehow trade Rajai "You Can't Steal 1st" Davis for some low A reliever?

hypobole - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 10:41 PM EST (#250283) #
Correction - it's the announcement of Oliver's signing that's being delayed.
Parker - Sunday, January 08 2012 @ 11:29 PM EST (#250285) #
You should ask for your money back, Richard S.S.
pubster - Monday, January 09 2012 @ 12:03 AM EST (#250286) #
"Where, besides an abandoned posting, can I do so?"

Google is your friend brother =)

bpoz - Monday, January 09 2012 @ 10:09 AM EST (#250290) #
Posada should be given a nice appreciation before a NYY game to honor his contributions to the team.

I too am more excited about certain topics than others.

I like Hypobole's suggestion about who may be traded or removed from the 40 man roster and Richards link to Farrell's interview and his thoughts on long term deals.

For me I am waiting for the correct time to discuss the possible minor league roster constructions. It is too early now but I hope it will be time in 1-2 weeks, because I don't have the patience to wait for 2 weeks before their opening day.

Since Jason returns is quite full, I will go to new thread any questions.
Mike Green - Monday, January 09 2012 @ 10:46 AM EST (#250291) #
The Angels have apparently agreed with Howie Kendrick on an extension, and are now negotiating with Erick Aybar.  There can be no question about their intentions. 
greenfrog - Monday, January 09 2012 @ 10:50 AM EST (#250293) #
The Oliver signing includes a $3M club option for 2013. Teahen DFA'd to clear space on the 40-man roster. Per MLBTR.

Paul D - Monday, January 09 2012 @ 10:50 AM EST (#250294) #


The Jays have officially signed Oliver and have DFA'd Teahan.

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