Batter's Box Interactive Magazine Batter's Box Interactive Magazine Batter's Box Interactive Magazine
Today, an afternoon tilt that won't be available locally on TV - it's Lilly v Affeldt.

The Royals most valuable pitching commodity may be Jeremy Affeldt. Affeldt has thrown the ball in his fiurst two years in the major, but he's been bothered by blisters. His strikeout rate has dropped considerably in 2004 (17 in 37.1 IP) - something to keep an eye on in the coming months.

Ted Lilly has looked better of late, apart from giving up gopher balls at the wrong time. The Royals missed him in Skydome, so it will be interesting to see who the element of surprise favours today.
Game 34: Rubber Game Also Marks the End of the Mini Road Trip | 314 comments | Create New Account
The following comments are owned by whomever posted them. This site is not responsible for what they say.
_Keith Talent - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#66037) #
So, in a day game I imagine both the Jays and the Royals will both want to wear their black shirts - is there a coin toss in such a situation?

My bet is the Royals will come out in their sloppy sleeveless tops as the Jays will be the true blackshirts of this series.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#66038) #
Thank You ESPN ! What American DISH officer !

Go Jays ! I am going to turn on the office TV while I work.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#66040) #
Affeldt's name makes me think of that insurance commercial with the duck.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#66041) #
Former Blue Jay World Series Hero Joe Carter is part of the ESPN Broadcast Team today.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#66042) #
Bad Weather may impact the game today , they say showers could be moving in. Yuck ! Come on LILLY , shut these guys down.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#66043) #
I'm wearing the Ten Run Hat at work right now.
robertdudek - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#66044) #
Allard Baird looks like Whatley the dentist on Seinfeld.
_mathesond - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#66045) #
Allard Baird looks like Whatley the dentist on Seinfeld.



Did he become a GM so he could make jokes?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#66046) #
Reed singles to open the game.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#66047) #
Doh! And then Cat grounds into a double play.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#66048) #
Allard Baird looks like Whatley the dentist on Seinfeld.

Did he become a GM so he could make jokes?


If he ever got traded to the Devil Rays, there'd be no stopping him!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#66049) #
Vernon safe at first on an error.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#66050) #
Hey, TV viewers, were those last two outs ground balls?
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#66051) #
Beltran belts one a long way left :(
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#66052) #
Berroa struck out, Beltran homered. 1-0 bad guys.
_Gwyn - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#66053) #
Dan Shulman doing the commentary on extra innings :)
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#66054) #
"Hey, TV viewers, were those last two outs ground balls?"

Jays hit into a doubleplay !
_Nigel - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:30 PM EDT (#66055) #
Well that did not take long! Gopheritis has always been a problem for Lilly. His career line is considerably higher than 1HR/9innings so I guess this should not be a surprise. The home runs and high pitch counts are what keeps him from being a top level starter.
_Lance - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#66056) #
Woodward on DL, who comes up? I read a rumor of Adams or Pond, but I just dont see Adams getting the call yet./
_Nigel - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#66057) #
I would say that of all the middle infielders Rich is the most deserving but I think that you need someone to be able to play SS so, if in fact, they bring up someone it would be Adams or Sequea.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#66058) #
Zaun whacked in the elbow by the back swing of a Royal.

if it hit his funny bone then Eowwie!
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#66059) #
Not a good day yesterday at all! I only just realised that Woodward and Speier are both injured.

And now Zaun is looking pretty hurt too!

I think the solution is to trade Berg for Nomar, Myers for Posada, and Gagne for Speier.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#66060) #
I think Harvey has something against Zaun since he hit him slightly again on the back swing.....
_Nigel - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#66061) #
The first inning was a full display of the good and the bad of Lilly. The good, he can strikeout righthanded hitters at a tremendous rate. The bad, one homerun and 28 pitches to get through the inning. He may be able to work on the bad, but at his age, what you see (which is by no means terrible) maybe what you get.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#66062) #
That was MUCH better from Lilly
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#66063) #
Three up, three down for Lilly.

How was O-Dog's at-bat? I was with a customer when he came up.
_sweat - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#66064) #
Named for hank: Just tell your customers not to interupt the game. :)
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#66065) #
O-Dog fouled off a few then worked the count full. Struck out on pitch #7.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#66066) #
Wish I could, sweat, wish I could.

Zaun singled, Gomez walked, Reed at the plate.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#66067) #
Sigh. The KC commentators (well one of them) is ragging on moneyball. This guy starts complaining that it's too passive and you don't score enough runs. The other commentators points out that the Blue Jays scored over 900 runs last year. The first guy replies "and you finished where?" (in the league).

Doesn't he understand that you can't ask the offence to do more than score lots of runs?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#66068) #
I wonder how many pairs of batting gloves Reed goes through since he plays with them after each pitch....
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#66069) #
Aaaaaaaah double plaaaayyyyyyy...
_Duane - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#66070) #
Ok David Justice is gonna drive me crazy....sac bunt to put pressure on the D, gotta move that runner over....Gomez walks ....not a damn word....most not be as much pressure with runners on first and second no out.....oh wait double play.....see let off the pressure.....this going to be a long game
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#66071) #
Andrew K - the other commentator who is saying "and you finished where?" is David Justice - former Yankee i think
Pistol - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#66072) #
The Royals most valuable pitching commodity may be Jeremy Affeldt. Affeldt has thrown the ball in his fiurst two years in the major, but he's been bothered by blisters. His strikeout rate has dropped considerably in 2004 (17 in 37.1 IP) - something to keep an eye on in the coming months.

From reading R&R on the Royals, early in the season the Royals were stressing to Affeldt to stop going for strikeouts and try to get batters out with fewer pitches. This obviously did not work out too well (except for the lower Ks). It seems like that has been scrapped as in his last few starts he's had better success.
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#66073) #
Ugh. How many double plays can this team hit into?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#66074) #
Confidence in your catcher so you can throw a breaking ball in the dirt because you know your catcher is going to block it????

so nothing to do with a pitch that got away and went into the dirt Mr Justice?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#66075) #
Isn't he the former Mr. Halle Berry?
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#66076) #
This guy?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4326

If he plays for the As he really ought to be onside with the moneyball philosophy!
_Duane - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#66077) #
Justice is horrible....that where did you finish, BS....I wanted to throw my remote at the TV....
_Duane - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#66078) #
justice is the dork who I think cheated on Halle Berry....he wasnt impressed with her....how can you trust his judgement
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#66079) #
Heh, I like your thinking, Duane.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#66080) #
My god how much can they talk about that play at first.....
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#66081) #
Maybe you guys need to mute the KC feed and listen to the Jays' radio team.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#66082) #
Maybe you guys need to mute the KC feed and listen to the Jays' radio team.

What's the time delay like?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#66083) #
Jerry just called that -- he said that the way the outfield was positioned, a ball could drop in easily, about ten seconds before it did.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#66084) #
I don't know, I'm listening on an old-fashioned radio. ;)

The radio broadcast itself is completely live, no delay. Dunno about the web feed.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#66085) #
Justice hasn't played for the A's since 2002, also known as the Moneyball year.
Where did you finish that year, Mr. Berry? 102 wins? 103? With a 20 game win streak? And...wait for it, the fewest steals in all of MLB.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#66086) #
Slight delay on the radio feed vs the video but i would much rather listen to Tom and Jerry and watch the game
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#66087) #
Go Zaun go!!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#66088) #
Woot caught him in a run down! Have some of that small ball!!
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#66089) #
Is it on thefan590? I can't get the radio feed to work; it might be because of trying to stream two windows media things simultaneously.
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#66090) #
http://tecnologia.tiscali.it/sfondi/celebrita/media/berry5.jpg
justice is the dork who I think cheated on Halle Berry....he wasnt impressed with her....how can you trust his judgement

How many times a day do you think Justice smacks himself in the head?
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#66091) #
How many times a day do you think Justice smacks himself in the head?

Maybe that explains his one-track moronic commentary?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#66092) #
http://www.cjcsradio.com/livecjcs.ram
Usually the Fan's web feed blacks it out (which they are supposed to). Try CJCS (COMN).

It's exactly 30 seconds behind the radio feed, I just counted. ;)

I wonder how far behind the streamed TV feed is?
_Duane - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#66093) #
After listening to Justice call this game do think he has any clue that he messed up in regards to Berry....the man is clueless.....you know when you don't run you don't get thrown out stupidly like Sweeney judt did....of course ole Dave forgot to mention this ...
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#66094) #
Is that another DP?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#66095) #
NFH I am listening to the game on the FAN 590 fine by using the standard link. COMN
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#66096) #
Double plaaaaaaaaaaaay, aaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#66097) #
Aye that it be Rob
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#66098) #
Ugh. How many double plays can this team hit into?

Maybe I should stop asking such questions.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#66099) #
Argh unfortunately the digital radio feed is about 10-15 seconds ahead of the mlb.tv video. So I got to hear that DP first and then watch it in glorious motion picture colour later.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#66100) #
Alex, that's CJCL! Same game broadcast, different commercials.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#66101) #
Ahhh.

Oops!
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#66102) #
Alex,

Nope, the thefan590 feed doesn't go. I'll have to stick to mlb.tv audio and think evil thoughts about David Justice.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#66103) #
Slightly concerned by the amount of Base hits that KC is getting and the lack of BH that the Jays are getting
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#66104) #
http://www.thegamelive.com/baseballmlb.html#tor
Andrew, try these (COMN for a list of stations carrying the Toronto game).
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#66105) #
Andrew have you tried opening Media player and imputting the URL when you choose Open URL?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#66106) #
Yaaaaaaaay double plaaaaaaaaay!!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#66107) #
YAY DP!

now if only can keep the pitches from riding high i wont have a heart attack each time they make contact
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#66108) #
I always liked those 5-4-3 double plays.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#66109) #
Thanks very much! 980KRUZ is exactly synchronized with the mlb.tv feed.
Gerry - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#66110) #
Surprisingly the Jays are in the middle of the pack when it comes to GIDP. The Jays have hit into 26, although Delgado and Wells are third in the AL with six each. Cleveland with 35 and Oakland with 34 lead the AL.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#66111) #
Joe Carter on the mlb.tv feed
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#66112) #
Anybody know what Lilly's pitch count is through 4?
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#66113) #
65, Christopher.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#66114) #
Hinske walk, O-Dog single.

I can feel it building...
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#66115) #
Triple play for KC maybe?
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#66116) #
Right. 2 on an 0 out, time to execute.

Bunt them along and then a sac fly... only joking!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#66117) #
NOOOOOOO DOUBLE PLAAAAAAAY!

Zaun's bunt was CAUGHT, Hinske was caught away from the bag.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#66118) #
Hmmmm ok DP then
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#66119) #
Holy cow. I didn't think he'd actually try to bunt. Let alone have the runners screw up to turn it into a DP.
_George - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#66120) #
Something must be wrong with Justice's mike... it didn't seem to pick up him pointing out how effective small ball is after the DP...
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#66121) #
That sounded fantastic on the radio. Was the catch as spectacular as they said?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#66122) #
All they needed was the runner to be off first base and throw him out as well :(
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#66123) #
Yes, it was a full-length sprawl to catch it. Very impressive. And he got up quick to throw to 2nd to get Hinske.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#66124) #
C'mon, Gomez, think of The Hammer...
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#66125) #
YEAH! Now c'mon, Reed, remember The Hammer!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#66126) #
Hammer Time!
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#66127) #
Finally!
I think you're onto something here NFH.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#66128) #


Proper!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#66129) #
YEAH!! Now Cat, think of The Hammer!
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#66130) #
Hammer Time!

I'm sorry, but I can't take anyone seriously when they say this.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#66131) #
Rofl Moffatt
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#66132) #
Please Jays, Let's Hurt 'Em
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#66133) #


Your turn, Vernon!
_alsiem - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#66134) #
Moffat,

Why do you have a picture of MC Hammer close at hand?
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#66135) #
Did he just say that the Jays would turn the fossett on? What's a fossett?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#66136) #
Apparently Vernon just fouled that off of the KC broadcast booth. Think he was aiming for Justice?
_Duane - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#66137) #
Wow 2 runs in with no small ball....huh yet still no mention from Justice
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#66138) #
Faucet. Turn on the taps, let the water flow.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#66139) #
Andrew - same as a kitchen tap
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#66140) #
Doh! *slaps forehead*

You chaps over that side of the pond really need to learn how to say vowels properly!
Craig B - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#66141) #
Carlos, FEEL THE POWER OF THE HAMMER OF WISDOM...
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#66142) #
Come on Delgado!!!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#66143) #
Go Vernon! The Hammer of wisdom served you well.

Carlos: think of The Hammer.
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#66144) #
http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=992
Apparently Hammer has signed a sitcom deal. Who says tv execs are running out of ideas?
COMN
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#66145) #
Why do you have a picture of MC Hammer close at hand?

Google Image Search. Best. Tool. Ever.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#66146) #
Is there an issue with Delgados right elbow? on the mlb.tv telecast it looks like it is bandaged or something.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#66147) #
Hysterically, this is exactly what a real-life cheer club event is like, except that we're screaming about the hammer.

Too bad for Delgado, but we take the lead!
_Andrew - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#66148) #
NFH, how many charges does the hammer of +10 wisdom have?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:54 PM EDT (#66149) #
Delgado looked really annoyed after that pop up since he threw his bat away in disgust
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#66150) #
As I understand it, The Hammer is unlimited in its power until it becomes creased or folded, at which point I will print off another one.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#66151) #
How big is this Hammer NFH?
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#66152) #
The next couple of innings will be crucial for Lilly to keep his stuff together.

I hope this game doesn't go to extra innings. I'm so exhausted I need to get to bed (even though it's currently 9pm local - I've been working very hard recently)! I might take my laptop up with me :)
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#66153) #
The Hammer is just under three feet long.
Craig B - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#66154) #
This will be a good test of the "leadoff walks always come around to score" theory.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#66155) #
Ow, that sounded like a bad one from O-Dog.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#66156) #
This aint good.
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#66157) #
Ouch. Sloppy.
Craig B - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#66158) #
Always. Always always always.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#66159) #
Arggghhhh *buries head in hands*

O-Dog how could you?
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#66160) #
TV watchers: What just happened? All I have from CBS Sportsline is "Berroa doubled to center, Relaford scored on [second baseman] Hudson“s fielding error."
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#66161) #
He'll make up for it when he comes up in the top of the next inning.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#66162) #
Rob throw came in from the outfield and hudson had it but dropped it and it went away from him - he casually went and picked it up and had his back turned to the plate and didnt see the guy on third run home.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#66163) #
He apparently had his back to third, picked up the ball and just casually tossed it to second. Relaford had already stopped and was going back to third, but saw that Hudson wasn't paying attention and ran home.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#66164) #
Relaford was running home; O-Dog was the cutoff man for the throw from Johnson. He fumbled it and couldn't throw out the man at second. He didn't realise that Relaford was going for home all the way from first and so slowly turned his back to stroll back to pick up the ball he had fumbled. In the meantime Relaford had changed direction, headed back to 3rd, saw he had time to score after all, turned round again, and made it home not even running.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#66165) #
I think we're heading for a bullpen moment.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#66166) #
92 pitches and the bullpen is warming up with Nakamura warming up
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#66167) #
Thanks. Now that I know what happened, I echo Craig's, Named For Hank's, Alex's, Christopher's, Andrew's, and Tom Cheek's comments.

Weird thing: I read Alex and Andrew's accounts of the error, then I refreshed the page and NFH's post came up between them.
_Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#66168) #
Maybe the hammer only works for hitters. Could you make a wrench or something for the pitchers?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#66169) #
Thing i have noticed about Lilly today is that he gets ahead 0 - 2 and then tries to nip the corners or just outside and then falls behind 3 - 2
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#66170) #
Maybe the hammer only works for hitters. Could you make a wrench or something for the pitchers?

How about a WHIP?
_Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#66171) #
Oooooh, good one.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#66172) #
They might get the wrong idea Rob.....
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#66173) #
How about a WHIP?

Just as long as it's small. :)
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#66174) #
I got another one: a DIPStick.

Okay, I'll stop.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#66175) #
Slightly off topic - isnt it good to see the ChiSox hitting came about AFTER the Jays series and against baltimore last night?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#66176) #
Not only does The Hammer only work for hitters, it only works when men are on base.
Craig B - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#66177) #
Judging from that Hinske AB, it looks like we caught Grimsley on a good day. When he gets that ball down, down, down he's very tough.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#66178) #
That MC Hammer pic came from a site called www.80smusiclyrics.com, Moffatt. Are you sure you had to Google it? ;)
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#66179) #
Go O-Dog!

Hammer Time!

I have customers, someone else do the Hammering for me!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#66180) #
Hammer Time!!
_Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#66181) #
I think O-Dog wants to hit a bit higher in the order. At the rate he's going, he can take Phelps' spot.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#66182) #
That MC Hammer pic came from a site called www.80smusiclyrics.com, Moffatt. Are you sure you had to Google it? ;)

Wow. Nice catch.

I was kind of surprised when that came up on Google, because I've been to the site about ten times in the last two days. :)
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#66183) #
Intentional Walk for Zaun
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#66184) #
Does the Hammer cover intentional walks? How many teams walk someone so they can face the leadoff man?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#66185) #
Now would be a REALLY good time for Gomez to say.....whack the ball over the fence?
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#66186) #
Gomez is up next, not Johnson. they're going for the 9-hitter.

Still, an intentional to Zaun with 2 outs is surprising. Let's make the most of it
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#66187) #
Never mind my last comment. I thought Zaun was hitting 9th.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#66188) #
Grrrr

Force out at 2nd
_Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#66189) #
When in doubt, walk the guy hitting .500, I suppose.
_alsiem - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#66190) #
Strategy novice here, why do you walk Zaun? They already have two outs.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#66191) #
~155 comments in the middle of the sixth inning. Will we set a new record for posts during an untelevised day game?
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#66192) #
Probably because of his average being over .500 at the moment and he got a hit last time out
_Christopher - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#66193) #
What's the record?
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#66194) #
No clue. :) 155 seems like a lot, though.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#66195) #
hopefully the bullpen can shut down the KC offence and the blue jays can eek out a run or 3
_David Armitage - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#66196) #
Only a month and a half into the season, the league leading Rangers and Tigers have driven in 109 more runs (180) than the bottom feeding Expos (71), sigh.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#66197) #
2 SO for Nakamura so far
_Brent - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#66198) #
And he still hasn't walked a batter.
_Brent - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#66199) #
This season, that is.

For his career, he's sporting a 29/2 K/BB ratio. Nice.
_EddieZosky - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#66200) #
Nakamura basically rules. 29 strikeouts compared to 2 walks lifetime according to yahoo fantasy. Mindboggling.
Mike Green - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#66201) #
Walking Zaun with 2 outs in the sixth of a 2-2 game and Hudson on 2nd is poor strategy. Zaun and Gomez are about even as hitters over their careers. The real risk with walking Zaun is that it significantly increases the danger of a big inning.
_EddieZosky - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#66202) #
For his career, he's sporting a 29/2 K/BB ratio. Nice.

D'oh!
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#66203) #
Remember the hammer, Vernon.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#66204) #
bah SO
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#66205) #
In Bed with the Box

Thanks to the wonders of laptops and 802.11b, I'm now tucked up in bed to watch the end of this game, after which I'll go straight to sleep.

With a pack of Jaffa Cakes nearby, I have all my favourite things in one go - being in bed, eating chocolate, watching baseball, and conversation with intelligent types (that's you).
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#66206) #
Mmmm Jaffa Cakes - people always seem to nibble the outside first and leave the orange in the middle for last
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#66207) #
Actually I'm a serial Jaffa Cake eater. I take them in one mouthful. They come in packets of 12 and I never eat less than 12 in one sitting.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#66208) #
I had to Google "Jaffa Cakes" because I didn't know what the heck you guys were talking about. I had no idea they were such a serious issue in the UK.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#66209) #
Who else had to Google "Jaffa Cakes" to find out what they were talking about? :)
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#66210) #
Wow, I swear I didn't see his post.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#66211) #
I had a similar problem in that I thought those biscuits you have in North America were called Orioles. I couldn't understand why you would call a baseball team after a snack. It wasn't until I visited Canada last year that I realised the biscuits are called Oreos.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#66212) #
jaffa Cake Central......COMN

even has a gallery :)
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#66213) #
Wow, I swear I didn't see his post.

Really? I thought you just copied "had to Google "Jaffa Cakes" " from my post. :)

RE: Local dessert food. I used to live in the Netherlands, so I got "educated" about all sorts of weird cookies. I can't figure out why anyone would think it's a good idea to put chocolate sprinkles on toast!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#66214) #
Gah pop up for 3rd out.

hehe we need NFH and the power of the Hammer!!
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#66215) #
All those intentionally walks are going to burn Pena sooner or later.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#66216) #
Make that "intentional" walks.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#66217) #
Salesperson who didn't put the hat and jersey and game blaring on the radio together to realize that I wanted to listen to the game. I'm happy to look at the stuff, but no smalltalk, dammit!

What'd I miss? Anymore double plays?
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#66218) #
This game thread contains references to the dentist from Seinfeld, The Aflac duck, Halle Berry, MC Hammer, pitchers getting whipped, and Jaffa Cakes. Did we miss anything?

And in all honesty Mike, our simultaneous posts were another example of the miracles of Greymatter...or something.
_NDG - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#66219) #
Wow, just logged in and there's 180 posts ... doesn't anyone work around here? ;)
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#66220) #
I bet the Twins are kicking themselves when they look at Nakamuras stats so far as a Blue Jay
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#66221) #
A walk by Nakamura? What's next, Bonds bunting?
Mike Green - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#66222) #
There will be games like this. Through 7 innings for the good guys: 9 hits, 6 walks, only 2 Ks, but 4 DPs and 10 men left on base, and therefore just 2 runs for all that good effort.

Patience, patience.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#66223) #
Eep first walk for Nakamura
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#66224) #
Maybe he is going for the GIDP to end the inning
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#66225) #
doesn't anyone work around here?

Just because I'm at work, that doesn't mean I'm doing work.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#66226) #
Almost another double play.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#66227) #
Good pitching from Nakamura again.
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#66228) #
Eep first walk for Nakamura

I didn't see the AB (I think Rogers is airing billiards or parcheesi or some such thing).

I expect that Nakamura was very careful with the LHB, as I expect will be his tendency all year long. Such is the life of the side-armer.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#66229) #
Just on an off note i am looking forward to receiving Moneyball and Ball Four books from Amazon UK - all for the great price of £15 (minus postage)!

And new books as well!
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#66230) #
Good pitching from Nakamura again.

Nakamura has assumed the ROOGY role (though it's really for a run of righties, not just one) that Ligtenberg would otherwise have, if Tosca had any confidence in Ligtenberg.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#66231) #
I found a copy of Ball Four in my parents' basement, which I'll get around to reading some time this summer.

Remember, gentlemen, The Hammer is to be invoked only when men are on base.
_Brent - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#66232) #
And in all honesty Mike, our simultaneous posts were another example of the miracles of Greymatter...or something.

Another festivus miracle!
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#66233) #
I may have been premature with my Ligtenberg remark. I'm thinking that with RHB in the 3-7 holes, Ligtenberg looks like a good bet to start the 8th.
_Mark - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#66234) #
Yeah, good choices Alex from the UK. I finally read Moneyball and it didn't quite live up to the hype for me (after having read so much about it on the internet) but a quick read and very interesting nonetheless. It's been a long time since I've read Ball Four but that's a classic.
_NDG - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#66235) #
I'm currently on the road and hence rediscovering the suckiness of dial-up. Of course this would be the day with

a) no TV (and no local radio coverage), so i'm dealing with three words of Tom and Jerry followed by two seconds of dead space as I try to listen to the game.
b) the game thread is reaching record levels
c) the reloading of this page keeps getting stuck at a picture of one MC Hammer.

I can't believe how much of an internet junkie I've become.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#66236) #
Ok walk for Hudson - Get that Hammer going :P
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#66237) #
YAY Single men on 1st and 3rd !

go Zaun!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#66238) #
Zaun got the hit before I even had The Hammer raised!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#66239) #
Actually after re reading my last post it should read

Single! Men on 1st and 3rd

rather than

Single men on 1st and 3rd (Ie O dawg and Zaun are single)
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#66240) #
Chris Gomez, The Hammer was created in your honor! Do justice to The Hammer!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#66241) #
YEAH GOMEZ!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#66242) #
BASE HIT!!!
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#66243) #
Continuing the Seinfeld references..
I could watch this game if I had ESPN via illegal cable, but what if I get caught...
Oh, you're not gonna get caught....Man, it's the nineties, it's Hammer time!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#66244) #
Come on Reed, The Hammer is here for ya!
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#66245) #
I'm late to the ball today and just now reviewing all 100+ Hammer related posts.

Are people aware of the MC Hammer baseball connection? I believe that a couple of Oakland A's (I want to say that one of them was Dwayne Murphy) helped finance MC Hammer to get his career off the ground. The A's players never got repaid and by the end, couldn't even get a dime from the bankrupt Hammer.

Got your money. Can't touch this.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#66246) #
Mr. Catalanotto, meet... The Hammer!
_Cristian - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#66247) #
A few A's jerseys made it into the 'U Can't Touch This' video.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#66248) #
Vernon Wells, feel the power of The Hammer!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#66249) #
Come on Wells!

Feel the power of the Hammer!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#66250) #
This is scary that we posted the same thing and earlier on someone posted the same thing about Jaffa Cakes
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#66251) #
Go Vernon go!

Carlos Delgado, the power of The Hammer is channelling through you!
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#66252) #
walked em! Come on Delgado get outta that slump - Feel the Power of the Hammer!!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#66253) #
It's the cross-continental psychic link between baseball fans.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#66254) #
Noooooooooooooo!!
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#66255) #
Wow. Pena staying with the RHP against Delgado.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#66256) #
ARGH!
_A - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#66257) #
To say that was slightly disappointing would be an under-statement.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#66258) #
If the Jays win this they are going to have to capitilize more with runners on base because the teams that are coming up will punish the Jays BADLY if they don't
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#66259) #
Good play from the O-Dawg
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#66260) #
O-Dog, you are officially forgiven.
_A - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#66261) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=1800081
ESPN has a column up right now (COMN) talking about good young catchers in the league, yet managed to ignore Cash. I agree Cash doesn't project to be an offensive machine but he seems to have figured out how to get together a reasonable offensive game to go along with his superb defense.
_Alex from the U - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#66262) #
Hmmm 2 outs - runners at 1st and 3rd.....tying run 90 feet away.
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#66263) #
Must get Santiago. Can't let Beltran bat in the 9th.
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#66264) #
Gomez has no lateral.... one of the earlier games already was lost by his immobility. Good that he's been hitting though....
robertdudek - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#66265) #
That play was virtually impossible for anyone who doesn't have an absolute cannon for a shortstop arm.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#66266) #
Adams comes back for the ninth, right?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#66267) #
This is an exciting game. Maybe too exciting, I keep getting stressed out during the KC at-bats.

Let's get some insurance runs here.
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#66268) #
Hey, Gomez got one :)
_Cristian - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#66269) #
Does anyone else think the Jays should have the folks at Pearson give newly-American Manny Ramirez a hard time coming into the country tomorrow? Maybe a little fingerprinting, interrogation, and a rubber glove is in order.
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#66270) #
Let's get some insurance runs here.

Just have to clear the 5-6 holes before the hitters come up. :)
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#66271) #
I didn't see that play just now - but have seen enough of him this year. I like him, but am glad he's not the everyday guy (Gomez).
I don't know what his defensive stats are like in terms of range factor etc... perhaps he's better than he looks, like a reverse Jeter.
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#66272) #
An insurance run or two would be most welcome. Time for Phelps to step up.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#66273) #
Revelation: With no other day games, Wilner won't have anything on the out of town scoreboard and he can field more calls from guys who think JP traded for Sirotka.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#66274) #
Just have to clear the 5-6 holes before the hitters come up.

Heh. Am I happy to have O-Dog in my baseball pool this week? Yes, yes I am.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#66275) #
Well, no insurance today. Let's go Adams!
_Little Jays Fan - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#66276) #
Last half inning lets see them hold them off.

Would be nice if the jays would cash in more of their on base runs
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:46 PM EDT (#66277) #
No walk, no walk, no walk.....
_George - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#66278) #
Are people aware of the MC Hammer baseball connection?

A young Mr. Burrell was a batboy for the A's.

Also, Roger Clemens (among many other celebrities) appeared in the video for "Too Legit To Quit" (which I saw the other day on MuchMoreRetro).
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#66279) #
No walk, no walk, no walk.....

Careful what you wish for.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#66280) #
Allllllllllmost a double play. Damn!
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#66281) #
Better a single than a walk... doh! Oh Carlos, whatsamata with the king?
_Matt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#66282) #
now we have to deal with another beltran AB
_Sean - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#66283) #
Aiyah!

This guy would look good in a Jays uni...
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#66284) #
Eek!
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#66285) #
How is a 3-2 game taking 3 and a half hours?! This game is long, I wanna go home from work, but am glued to Gameday
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#66286) #
I love Terry Adams, but sometimes he scares the hell out of me.
_Cristian - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#66287) #
I think an intentional walk to Beltran is in order.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#66288) #
Heart...pounding...
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#66289) #
No double, no double, no double....
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#66290) #
The stress continues!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#66291) #
Aaaaaah I can't take it!
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#66292) #
Noooooooo!
_Matt - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#66293) #
wow... this is how red sox fans felt when kim was closing
_Ryan Lind - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#66294) #
What's going on?

Yahoo's stuck on "O. Hudson struck out swinging" :(
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#66295) #
Ahhhh, crap.
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#66296) #
poop....
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#66297) #
Crap crap crap... somebody wasn't clenching their cheeks tightly enough!
_Andrew K - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#66298) #
:'(
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#66299) #
KC wins. Ball down the 3b line gets past Hinske, two runs score.
_Cristian - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#66300) #
I guess it's Aquilino's turn on the closer carousel.
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#66301) #
Man, this was such a winnable game.... how many runners left stranded? Delgado alone could have put this out of reach early...
_JackFoley - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#66302) #
That's unfortunate. Jason Frasor: Closer?
_Little Jays Fan - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#66303) #
Well thats the game!! They needed those insurance runs and couldn't get them

They will definatly need them for the up coming part of the schedual!
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#66304) #
Beltran scored from first? Man.
_subculture - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#66305) #
Anybody notice if Hinske should have been playing tighter? Another good pitching performance wasted....
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#66306) #
Now, did you hear that KC crowd rallying the Royals? That's what we need at SkyDome tomorrow. We'll have the drum, but we need as many warm bodies as we can get. COMN if you want to join us.
_Sean - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#66307) #
Three runs, and one run yesterday against the KC staff.... arrgh... hopefully they breakout against the BoSox
Pistol - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#66308) #
That's unfortunate. Jason Frasor: Closer?

Adams didn't lose that game. Hinske butchered the groundball - it should have been an out to end the game.
_Rob - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#66309) #
Yeah, but Tosca will probably find another closer now.
_Lance - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#66310) #
A ball Hinske should have had, but.... can't fault only him, we did strand a bundle of runners, failed to put up some key hits, and a closer did put the runners on to win with. A solid Team Loss.
_Lance - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#66311) #
I agree Pistol...it should have been, like Delgado should have hit with the bases loaded, like Hudson should have picked up that ball sooner, like Adams Should have not put on the runners to begin with. Like I said, a TEAM loss.
_S.K. - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#66312) #
On the MC Hammer-A's connection: a young Rickey Henderson was friends with MC Hammer's older brother. In his autobiography he mentions how the little kid was always hanging around them muttering to himself.

I believe that Hammer was also Charley O. Finley's personal assistant (ie - gopher and good luck charm) for a while.

I didn't see the game, but after reading this thread I'm glad I didn't. Our execution is out the window again, it seems.
Oh well, can't win 'em all - on the good side, heartening stuff from Lilly.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#66313) #
THIS HAS TO BE A RECORD ! 277 POSTS including this one. By the end of the night we could hit 350 !!!!!!!!!!

Jays Lose , waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh ! Ok I feel better , Boston is going down bad.
_Gwyn - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#66314) #
THIS HAS TO BE A RECORD ! 277 POSTS including this one

It is. I think 207 was the previous best, last time I checked.
_Keith Talent - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#66315) #
Hello Named For Hank,

I'll have some warm bodies for tomorrow night, possibly 4-6.
I really wanna see the Ten-Run Hat.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#66316) #
I wonder who is going to take Woodward place on the roster.

My bet is Sequea will be brought up.
_Mike in CT - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#66317) #
Isn't it amazing that we haven't had a closer we could truly count on since Duane Ward!?! This is getting rediculous. What do the Jays have, like 2 saves this year and how many have they blown? Someone in this organization needs to step up and claim the closers role so the Jays can actually close out a game. Adams obviously isn't the answer. Who is going to be?
Craig B - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#66318) #
I thought the answer was Speier, but no help there for now.

Personally, I'd like to see Nakamura reprise the Doug Jones role. But I think Adams can handle it, really. You have to be careful about generalizing from two bad outings.
_Ryan Lind - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#66320) #
What do the Jays have, like 2 saves this year and how many have they blown?

I believe they have 4 saves and 4 blown saves.

It's a dumb stat, but that really is pretty pathetic. I did not see the game today, so I didn't see how Adams looked, but so far I am quite disappointed in the bullpen this year. The only guys that seem to be performing are the two guys I'd never heard of before this year (Nakamura, Frasor.) Oh well, I still refuse to really "panic" until the 50 game mark.
Mike Green - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#66321) #
I wasn't watching, but it didn't sound as though it was the worst blown save ever. Adams comes in with a 1 run lead, allows 1 baserunner and gets 2 outs. He then walks the hottest hitter in the league and gets Sweeney to hit one past Hinske. It was a play which some third basemen apparently might have made.

Painful, yes. Indicative that Adams can't handle the role, no. I hope they have a 1 run lead tomorrow, and Tosca gives Adams the ball again. This wasn't the performance of a pitcher who falls apart in the role.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#66322) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6344
There are rumors that Jays have acquired Frank Menechino from the A's who was optioned yesterday to the Minors by the A's.

I do not no if this is true , some A's ESPN posters have posted this on the Jays ESPN fan site. COMN for his stats , since he was hitting only .091 in 34 at bats I find this hard to believe.
Thomas - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#66323) #
Well, if Menechino has anything, it's an eye. And Woody did just go on the DL. And this would help my fantasy team.

Still, there isn't a lot of upside there, he looks like he's lost his hitting ability over the last couple of years and he can't really play shortstop, leaving Gomez about the only on the team who can handle it despite the prescence of three backup infielders (Berg and Clark). If we were getting the Menechino of 2001 this wouldn't be a bad move, but the Menechino of 2004 can't do much but take walks. Even in 2002 at Sacremento his OPS was only .700.
_Dr. Zarco - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#66325) #
I WAS watching the game today and here are a few of my thoughts on the 9th inning. Adams really got squeezed by the ump during the Relaford at bat. At least 2 of the 3 first pitches could have been called strikes (Affeldt was getting the low pitch and the outside pitch to righties all day). Leaving him in a 3-0 count, he threw a strike, and then Relaford hit a 3-1 pitch for a single. However, throughout the whole inning I thought Adams kept his composure quite well, perhaps showing he can handle the role.

The at bat to Beltran was really the problem. David Justice (it was torture to have to listen to him all game) said the Jays should intentionally walk him. Unless you're Barry Bonds, never ever put the winning run on base in a situation like that. Adams was clearly pitching around him-just throwing pitches at his eyes (and Beltran didn't figure out he was being pitched around til it was a 2-2 count). Adams (Tosca??) has got to go at him more aggressively. Make him hit a HR to beat you, instead of just putting him on (he can FLY by the way) and letting any old fluke by Sweeney beat you. I thought that was a poor decision. Obviously a better play by Hinske makes it moot, but I would still take my chances with Beltran as Sweeney's not slouch either.
_Mike - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#66326) #
I guess Berg is the 4th outfielder now? Oy!

http://tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=83708
_Spicol - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#66327) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/transactions
The Menechino deal is official. COMN.
robertdudek - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#66328) #
I've deleted a comment (which was pretty useless anyway) by Donald Trump Jr.

We take a very dim view of using famous people's names (and some derivations thereof) as handles on this website. This is a serious forum - at least most of the time. If you wish to participate, pick a handle that does not infringe on someone else's identity and stick to it.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#66329) #
Thanks, Keith Talent! Send 'em up to 518.

If you're not on the mailing list already, COMN and drop me a line and I'll add you.
_Keith Talent - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#66330) #
I'd be a lot happier if they'd get a corner outfielder who could platoon with Cat.

Reed Johnson is the one who needs to be platooned. Cat would do fine at leadoff when Johnson sits. I recall being at a game in Seattle: Cat had a leadoff homer. Why sit the Cat? He's a good Cat.
Thomas - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#66331) #
I know it's tiring to complain about the Jays and the media, but still.....

I watched the Score around 11, hoping to see the Jays highlights at the top of the hour, so I could observe the killer grounder. Instead, I get Tortorella making some comments about Hitchcock, Hitchcock responding, interview from the Calgary-San Jose series, Joel Quennville news, a Ziggy Palffy contract extension offer update and Miami-Indianopolis NBA playoff highlights and interviews. The Jays highlights were at 10 past the hour. It also gets me how the fact that the fact the Blues have given Ottawa permission to talk to Quennville about the head coach job (and I do think he's a good coach, incidentally) is enough for them to show 3 clips of stock footage of him, yet the newest Jay merits a "by the way" at the end of the Jays highlights with no footage or photo or anything, and there was no post-game interviews, either.
_dirtbag#3 - Wednesday, May 12 2004 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#66332) #
Ryan Roberts continues to impress after 100 ab ...I always check hbp's for him and Tingler, and there he is again tonight.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#66333) #
I for one am quite surprised by this move , I guess J.P likes him. Looking on the bright side his average can only go up from his present 0.91 average in 34 at bats.
_David Armitage - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#66334) #
According to GameCast, Alex Cora just had an 18 pitch AB, where he fouled off 13 consecutive pitches before homering off Matt Clement. Now that's persistence.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 01:02 AM EDT (#66335) #
Reminds me of Rico Carty at bats many years ago.

Rico could really wear out pitcher.
_Jobu - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 01:10 AM EDT (#66336) #
Sorry I'm posting so late. I was out of town with friends durring the game and couldn't post. I was listening to the game the car radio on the trip back and even brought THE HAMMER OF WISDOM with me yet it all exploded in the 9th. I don't understand what went wrong, does THE HAMMER need to be in direct visual contact with the players? Did all this talk of new hammers anger the HAMMER OF WISDOM? Im trying to talk to THE HAMMER right now to find out why the punishment, but so far I'm getting the silent treatment.
_Lefty - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 01:34 AM EDT (#66337) #
Tough luck for Adams tonight, however, it was Adams own fault for allowing those base runners aboard in the first place. I think this end of game pitcher-can't say closer-will be a hot topic on this board for a while yet. If I'm CT I get A-Lo into some low leverage situations and build his confidence. As it grows I slide him unannounced into a tough situation say a tie game in the eight or ninth. If he succeeds then he's my man. But the big butt here - is he healthy or burned out from over usage last year. I think thats the question in need of an answer.

Frasor? I leave him where he is. He's doing fine right now and i don't mess with his success. Finally there is nothing wrong with any of the Jays relievers if thats what they indeed are and is all that is expected. Middle relievers the lot of em, not closers.
_mathesond - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 01:35 AM EDT (#66338) #
The HAMMER is a HAMMER of WISDOM, and so perhaps the prevailing wisdom is that an angry local 9 (or 25) is more capable of putting the Beantowners in their place than a group that cruised through 2/3 of the cream of the mighty bastion known as the AL Central.

The HAMMER also sez that if Solo home runs were a roto category, us Mike Lowell owners would clean up
_mathesond - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 01:38 AM EDT (#66339) #
Lefty, I don' think burnout is an issue in Lopez' case - he was a 27-year old pitcher last season, and I don't think he had any surgical layoffs while he was convincing the M's he was 4 years younger.
_Simon - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 03:14 AM EDT (#66340) #
Man, you guys sure pack 'em in.:)
Named For Hank - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 07:08 AM EDT (#66341) #
I know it's tiring to complain about the Jays and the media, but still.....

Hey, I've been noticing that the Jays have moved up to page three of the Globe and Mail's sports section. It's not page one, but it's not page eight, either.
Thomas - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:16 AM EDT (#66343) #
"I can remember when the Toronto Maple Leafs couldn't buy their way onto the front page of the newspapers."

That I'd have to see to believe.
_John Northey - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 08:53 AM EDT (#66344) #
So frustrating to watch this game while at work (Gameday on MLB.com). Just turned it on when Zaun bunted into a DP. I was thinking 'here is a great chance for the hot bat to do something big' and that *#&^!( Tosca has him BUNT?!?!?! I swear Tosca is trying to get fired with all the times he has tried to bunt lately. Since JP does understand stats odds are he knows the bunt is a play best reserved for late innings tie game/1 down when one run is all you need, or to be done as an attempt for a hit by a speedy runner (ie: not a vetern catcher).

Sigh. Long season. Just one game. Must keep repeating that.
_Keith Talent - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:00 AM EDT (#66345) #
I was surprised to see the Jays put at the back of even the Toronto Star's sports section. Being in Vancouver I could understand why the Jays were a periphery item. But here, buried deep in the pages the morning after they play at home? It's wrong. In Vancouver even a BC Lions pre-season home-game which draws 4,000 fans makes the front page of the Sports section.

I certainly don't mind playoff hockey coverage coming first. But when it's Ziggy Palffy contract updates, or - God help us - the NBA - that comes before the Jays... unbelieveable.
_Christopher - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 09:12 AM EDT (#66346) #
I just checked out Gameday at MLB.com. The Jays left 24 men on base, Delgado 8 by himself. Such a shame we couldn't pull this one out and narrow the gap on the Red Sox.
I guess we'll have four games to do that now.
_Chuck Van Den C - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#66347) #
The Jays left 24 men on base

They actually left 13 men on base. Your figure includes double-counting (i.e., some of the men Delgado left on, Phelps also left on).

To my mind, aside from their hittig woes, the Jays really hurt themselves in the 8th inning. Had Ligtenberg not allowed 2 of the 4 RHB he faced to get on, the inning could have ended sooner, thereby reducing the possibility of Beltran and Sweeney batting in the 9th.
_Jacko - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#66348) #

They've not seen the playoffs for more than a decade.


If the baseball playoffs let in 50% of the teams like they do in hockey, I'm sure the Jays would have made several playoff appearances.

JKCL, let's try not to compare apples to oranges, ok?
_Jacko - Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#66349) #

Keith, I agree that Reed Johnson has to be platooned. But Cat is a poor option for a cornerfielder against lefthanders. His obp vs. lefties is below .200! And this isn't a team that kind of performance can be buried on. Their best hitter, Delgado, has an obp of .278 vs. lefties, and overall the team has a league-worst obp of .318 against them.


Given how well Cat played against the KC LHP's he faced, I'm really surprised to see his stats are so terrible against lefties this year.

Historically, he's been pretty terrible against LHP, but players can learn to do it eventually (see "Green, Shawn").

Given the current roster options, I'd prefer to see Cat out there against lefties over Berg.

And is anyone else completely baffled about the Menechino trade? I thought it was a SS we needed, not another 2B. We already have Hudson, Berg, and Clark on the roster.
Game 34: Rubber Game Also Marks the End of the Mini Road Trip | 314 comments | Create New Account
The following comments are owned by whomever posted them. This site is not responsible for what they say.