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And bring back all of those happy days
Put your troubles down
It's time to celebrate

Welcome to the late holiday edition of the Jays Roundup. Great game yesterday: Jays 13 - A's 5.

  1. Recaps:
    • Spencer Fordin:

        It's not a trick question, even if it seems like one. Take an educated guess: What's Toronto's record when the Blue Jays score 10 runs or more?

        Some skeptics might guess a losing mark, and rightfully so -- that's just the type of season it's been. However, the mundane truth doesn't bow to that type of bias. The Jays beat Oakland on Sunday, 13-5, pushing their record to 14-1 when they break double digits. By contrast, they're 0-13 when their opponent scores more than 10 runs.

    • Shi Davidi:

        Gabe Gross hit his first career grand slam while Russ Adams homered and drove in three runs in his first major-league start as the Blue Jays beat the Oakland Athletics 13-5 Sunday afternoon.

        The other two rookies in Toronto's lineup also had big days, with Alex Rios collecting two hits and scoring twice and catcher Guillermo Quiroz doing a nice job handling the pitchers in his debut behind the plate.

    • Mike Rutsey:

        The off-key crooning, however, didn't throw either Gross, who had five RBIs, or Adams, with two hits and three RBIs, off their respective games. But it certainly affected the A's who made five errors on the day.

        Gross feels he has come a long way in the short time.

        "The three weeks I've been here, the amount of knowledge that I've picked up has been immeasurable," said Gross who is hitting .240 with two homers and 14 RBIs in 22 games. "I don't think you ever quit learning in this game and the sooner you get to the big leagues, when your'e around the best and learn from the best, I think you can really take off once you get that knowledge. I've tried to soak up everything."

    • Jeff Blair:

        The Toronto Blue Jays picked up a win yesterday and had a prayer answered: Russ Adams, deliver us from Chris Woodward.

        A first-round draft pick in 2002 whose arrival had been eagerly anticipated, Adams was 2-for-5 in his first major-league start and hit his first big-league home run, and fellow rookie Gabe Gross belted his first grand slam in a 13-5 win over the Oakland Athletics at the open SkyDome.

    • Allan Ryan:

        The Blue Jays smacked the Oakland A's 13-5 yesterday in a game that smacked an awful lot of the Syracuse SkyChiefs.

        Of the 15 players who had a hand in this much-welcomed cakewalk, nine, including four of five pitchers, had spent varying degrees of time — some just now getting sprung — at Triple A this season.

        And that's not counting Carlos Delgado, who had played a couple of rehab games in his old stomping grounds in early July and who yesterday unloaded yet another homer in his inspired drive towards another 30-homer, 100-RBI season.



  2. Fordin Notes on Guillermo Quiroz, Eric Crozier, and Russ Adams:

      Of course, Adams isn't a finished product. In fact, he's far from it: The Blue Jays think he's still growing into his position, which is why September is seen as a key month for him. The youngster will get a full month to work with Brian Butterfield, Toronto's enthusiastic and indefatigable infield coach.

      J.P. Ricciardi, the team's general manager, thinks that's exactly what Adams needs.

      "His errors this year were throwing and things like that -- that tells me it was probably on the footwork," he said. "This way, Butterfield gets the whole month. Get him here, let him take ground balls and work on different things."


  3. Rutsey Notes on Sean Douglass, Kerry Ligtenberg, and Ryan Glynn:

      The 29-year-old right-hander made his first start with the Jays a winning one and is now 9-16 in his major league career. Against the A's, Glynn went five innings giving up two runs on four hits, walked four, struck out five and pitched his way out of trouble in each of the second, third and fifth innings.


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_Mick - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#36875) #
"Hail Mary," after yesterday's three-way tie, I hope this Holiday's lyric contest doesn't escape me ...
_Mick - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#36876) #
Today on ESPN.com, Buster Olney reviews what teams who aren't contending have to do before the end of the year. On the home team:

Toronto Blue Jays
Their pitching has been a mess for much of the year, and while Ted Lilly has had a good season and David Bush has looked impressive, much more is needed in this high-rent division. The Jays are regularly playing youngsters in left field (Gabe Gross) and right field (Alexis Rios). And in his first major-league start, 23-year-old shortstop Russ Adams hit a home run against Oakland on Sunday.

But Toronto will need more from some of their more established players, such as center fielder Vernon Wells, who was nagged by injuries this season, and third baseman Eric Hinske, who has been extremely inconsistent.
_Chuck Van Den C - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#36877) #
Hoo wee, that Buster Olney sure knows how to offer up some highly analytical commentary! And he gets paid for stating the obvious. Sweet.

Kevin Brown's absence will hurt the Yankees' chances of fending off the hard charging Red Sox. Estaban Loiaza, returning to the rotation in Brown's absence, has not pitched well this year. Loiaza is not as good as Brown.

Where do I go to get my money?
_jsoh - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#36878) #
Apropos of completely nothing whatsoever, I was trolling BBRef the other night, and came across this lovely line:

 1991 26 TOR AL 138  445   41  104  18  3   0   29   7  2  24 107  .234  .274  .288 


That would be the Neifi-like results of Manny Lee, good for an OPS+ of 54. The fielding metrics (and my memory to boot) place Manny as being only an average fielder. Its hard to believe that the Jays didnt have a warmer body to hold down short that year.

(actually, just checked - everyone's fav SS Eddie Zosky got some time in that year, and hit even worse)

In the spirit of Buster, I'm gonna say that Adams will do far better than a 24/107 BB/K ratio, even if he breaks both wrists and loses an eye :)
_Mick - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#36879) #
In defence of Buster, while I agree with the responses and recognize that his analysis is pretty low-rent, keep in mind that he's writing for an audience primarily made up of people who (A) can't name a single Blue Jay other than Halladay, Delgado and MAYBE Wells and (B) think Bill James was a 19th-century philosopher.

That said, I thought it was a fair and concise summary of the TO situation. Writing to a general audience with an unknown knowledge base is MUCH harder than writing to an audience of statheads who share similar affinities. There has been reams of research done on this in the field of composition studies, re: "Friendly Audience" vs. "Unfriendly audience" -- the terms have nothing to do with how much people like your work, it deals with how much of your knowledges base they share.
_Jim - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#36880) #
He wasn't wrong, which is a complement for Olney.
_Jobu - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 12:30 PM EDT (#36881) #
Howdy everyone. Back from Montreal. Had a fantastic time, to lazy to give a big re-cap right now. Looks like I missed some fun games. And what the hell is a "balle exteriure"?
_Chuck Van Den C - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#36882) #
A "balle exteriure", as you likely know by now, is a ball, outside. Not to be confused with the Fauldsian "inside for a strike", which is indecipherable even with a dictionary.
_Magpie - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#36883) #
Buster would have done better to write something like this:

Toronto's disappointing season was caused in part by injuries to their three best players: Carlos Delgado, Vernon Wells, and Roy Halladay. While the loss of Halladay (and an unreliable bullpen) has hurt the pitching, the main problem has been the Toronto offense, which was second in the AL in runs scored in 2003. This year it ranks 11th.

The Jays wisely pulled the plug early, and have been working their prospects into the lineup. Alex Rios arrived in May, David Bush in July,Gabe Gross in August - this month Russ Adams and Guillermo Quiroz get their first auditions in the show.

Would that have been too hard for the average fan?
_Jobu - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#36884) #
See, here's the thing. I saw a series of subway adds in "Le Metro" which would have one hand signal on the left, and then the same hand pointing down "a la a catcher" and the baseball equivalent. An easy example was one with two fingers. On the left it was "peace" on the right it was "ball courbe". But the ad I'm talkin about had a fist in the air for "revolution" and then a downward fist for "balle exteriure". I assumed it was indeed ball outside, but it seemed like such an odd way for a catcher to call a ball outside. Even my umpire/catcher friend was confused.
_Mick - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#36885) #
Isn't the fist traditionally the catcher's sign for an intentional walk? That'd make "Ball outside" work.
_James W - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#36886) #
I'm thinking it's a pitch-out.
_Jobu - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#36887) #
Pitch out would be more sensible than throw a "ball" outside. Well there's one mystery solved. On to the next, why were there SO many bo sox fans at a expos/braves game?
_James W - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#36888) #
When I went up in July, there's were lots of New Englanders staying in the same hotel as us. The drinking age of 18 is definitely one factor for them actually being in town.
_Tassle - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#36889) #
From Peter Gammons' latest column:

he is fiery player like Lenny Dykstra and that will make him a huge fan favorite.

That's like straight from Moneyball. I'd say Gammons was giving in to the revolution, except half the column was about "heart" and "leadership" players.
_Tassle - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#36890) #
Sorry, made the quote too short. He was making the comparison to Nick Swisher, just like Michael Lewis did in the book.
Thomas - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#36891) #
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-devilrays-travel&prov=ap&type=lgns
Yankees have asked for a forfeit over the Devil Rays in game 1 of the scheduled double-header today. It appears like it will not be granted.
_Lefty - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#36892) #
Devil Rays spokesman Rick Vaughn said the Devil Rays had never intended to leave before Monday.

``The only thing that entered our mind was being with our families during the hurricane,'' he said.

``Given the stage of the season we are in, and the exciting pennant races, it is critical that we do everything to decide the championship on the field,'' commissioner Bud Selig said in a statement.

``Let's get a grill,'' Yankees pitcher Mike Mussina said. ``Hot dogs and burgers on the field.''

The above quotes from Selig and and the devil Rays indicate to me that Bud got it right. But why all the carping about Mike. Here he is fully prepared to make burgers and dogs for the fans all afternoon. What a nice man he must be.

Make em play Bud, obviuosly the Yankee's are running scared now and chances are the Rays will win a game or two this series.
_Lefty - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#36893) #
Yes, "obviously".
_G.T. - Monday, September 06 2004 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#36894) #
Were any of yesterday's A's bullpen "hijinks" captured on the telecast?

Late in the game, Arthur Rhodes pulled the "bubble gum bubble on the cap" trick on Octavio Dotel, as the two were sitting on the elevated seats in the A's bullpen, giving the finger-to-the-lips "sh" sign to the crowd.

As the crowd behind the bullpen caught on to what was going on, Dotel got increasingly taunted, and a number of pictures of him were taken, yet he failed to clue in. While Alex Rios either didn't notice, or didn't care, Vernon Wells certainly did. I couldn't make out what he was saying, but he was yelling something at Dotel, laughing, but even that didn't tip it off.

Finally, after what must've been at least 10 minutes, Dotel did eventually find out about it (I didn't see how he found out, Rhodes might've told him), and Rhodes ran away laughing quite heartily.

Kind of a fun way to cap a fun game. With the lone win against the A's, and the lone win against the Yanks last weekend, the Jays have had three impressive wins in the four games I've seen at the Dome this year. (Also saw the drubbing of the Royals in May, and the loss to Randy Johnson). From what I can tell, this is a fabulous team! :)
_James W - Tuesday, September 07 2004 @ 01:25 AM EDT (#36895) #
Somewhat related to hijinks, I was cracking up over the repeating yelling of "SWISHER!" by a lot of the left field fans. At least, that's what it sounded like from down the right field line.
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