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Game 7, people.

Legends are made here. This is where we find some of the most famous, most unforgettable, most positively mythic baseball games ever played. 


There have been 40 of these games, where both teams were in a position to win a championship then and there. 

1909 - Pittsburgh 8 at Detroit 0 - The first Game 7 wasn't much of a game. It hadn't been a particularly gripping series, a see-saw affair that saw the Pirates win Games 1,3, and 5 and the Tigers responding to take Games 2, 4, and 6. Only the last of those provided much drama, as the Tigers escaped a 1st and 3rd jam with none out in the ninth inning, while clinging to a one-run lead. The big story of the series had not been the great Cobb-Wagner confrontation - it had been the work of Pittsburgh rookie Babe Adams, who had been the surprise starter in the first game. Adams won the opener, and the fifth game, and he tossed a shutout to win the finale as well. He is the only rookie to win three games in a World Series.  

1912 - New York Giants 2 at Boston 3 - A legendary game and series that I wrote about at enormous length many years ago. This one went to extras - the Giants took a 2-1 lead in the top of the tenth when Fred Merkle singled home Red Murray. But a series of Giants miscues in the bottom half - Snodgrass dropped Engle's routine fly, Christy Mathewson - the best control pitcher in the game - walked number 8 hitter Yerkes on four pitches, and three Giants fielders, each of whom was able to make the play, let Speaker's harmless foul pop land untouched led to disaster. Speaker singled home Engle with the tying run. Yerkes took third on the play and scored the winning run on Gardner's sac fly.

1924 - New York Giants 3 at Washington 4. - Another legendary game, another one that required extra innings - and there are actually video highlights! The Senators had made Bucky Harris, their 27 year old second baseman, a player-manager this year. In the deciding game of the World Series, Harris used RH Curly Ogden as an Opener (in 1924!), then switched to LH George Mogridge after two batters. In the ninth, with the game tied 3-3, he summoned his ace starter, the great Walter Johnson from the bullpen. Johnson held the fort, with four innings of scoreless relief until Earl McNeely doubled home Muddy Ruel in the bottom of the twelfth. Between the lines, Harris had hit a solo homer to provide Washington's first run of the game, and it was his two run single in the bottom of the eighth that sent the game to extras in the first place. The Boy Wonder indeed.

1925 - Washington 7 at Pittsburgh 9 - Harris and the Senators were back the following year, and once more it went to a seventh game. Walter Johnson was 37 years old, and not quite the overwhelming force he'd been ten years earlier. He was still pretty good (20-7, 3.07) and he opened the series by fanning 10 Pirates in a 4-1 victory. Four days later, Johnson tossed a six-hit shut out, and Washington led 3 games to one. But the Pirates won twice to force a seventh game, and when it came Johnson had nothing left. The game was played in pouring rain that turned the infield into a muddy quagmire. Staked to an instant 4-0 lead, he allowed four hits and three runs in the third. Washington stretched the lead back up to 6-3, but the Pirates got one run back in the fifth and tied the game with two more off Johnson in the seventh. The Senators went ahead yet again with a run in the eighth inning, and Harris stuck with his ancient ace. With two outs the Pirates suddenly rallied for three runs on a walk and three doubles. Washington went down in order in the top of the ninth. 

1926 - St.Louis 3 at New York Yankees 2 - Another legendary game! This was the first Game 7 for the teams that would make more Game 7 appearances than anyone. The series went back to Yankee Stadium with New York up three games to two, but the Cardinals tied the series with a 10-2 rout behind 39 year old Pete Alexander, whom they had acquired on a waiver claim in mid-season. In the finale, the Cardinals took a 3-2 lead into the seventh when the Yankees loaded the bases with two out. Alexander came out of the bullpen to strike out Tony Lazzeri to end the threat. In the ninth, Alexander walked Babe Ruth with two out, but the Babe was caught stealing to end the game. The Yankees would play in eleven Game Sevens over the years, more than any other team; the Cardinals would play in ten. But St. Louis would win seven of their ten, more than anyone else.

1931 - Philadelphia A's 2 at St.Louis 4 - This series saw one outstanding performance by a starting pitcher after another. Lefty Grove beat the Cardinals twice, Bill Hallahan beat the A's twice. George Earnshaw, who had tossed a two-hitter to win the fourth game for Philadelphia, matched up with Burleigh Grimes, who had out-pitched the great Grove himself in the third game. The Cardinals scored four early runs, and when Grimes tired in the ninth and the A's mounted a rally, Hallahan came out of the pen to get the final out.

1934 - St.Louis 11 at Detroit 0 - The Tigers came back to Detroit just one win away from their first championship ever but the Dean brothers had other ideas. Paul Dean beat them 4-3 in the sixth game; Dizzy won a laugher in the finale. The Cardinals broke it open with seven runs in the third inning. In the sixth, Medwick tripled and slid hard into third base, prompting something close to a brawl on the field. When he tried to take his defensive position next inning, frustrated Detroit fans pelted him with garbage - mostly fruit and bottles - until Commissioner Landis personally ejected Medwick fom the game simply so everyone else could get on with the final three innings.

1940 - Detroit 1 at Cincinnati 2 - Once again, the Tigers went up three games to two and once again they were unable to close the deal. They were shut out by Bucky Walters in the sixth game; The finale was a very fine pitcher's duel, as Paul Derringer scattered seven hits to beat Bobo Newsom in the finale.

1945 - Detroit 9 at Chicago Cubs 3 - The Tigers finally won a Game 7 (after their failures in 1909, 1934, and 1940.) They jumped all over Hank Borowy and Paul Derringer for five runs in the first inning and Hal Newhouser cruised from there. Fun fact - the first three Tigers singled, putting runners on first and second with a run in and no one out. Cleanup hitter Hank Greenberg, one of the greatest sluggers of his time, was up next. He dropped down a sac bunt. It was 1945, kids. A different time.

1946 - St.Louis 4 at Boston 3 - Here's one of the legendary ones, if only because frustrated Boston fans wouldn't shut up about it for the next 60 years. The Cardinals took a 3-1 lead into the eight inning, but Russell's single and Metkovich 's double put runners on second and third. Harry Brecheen, who had already won games two and six, came on to relieve Murray Dickson. He got two outs, but a Dom DiMaggio double cashed both runners to tie the game. And then, in the bottom half - Slaughter led off with a single and was still on first when Harry Walker came up with two outs. Slaughter was off with the pitch and scored on Walker's double to left-centre. They have dissected that play in New England from that moment since, or at least once Brecheen escaped yet another jam in the ninth.

1947 - Brooklyn 2 at New York Yankees 5 - This was a pretty weird series, mainly because the Dodgers had nothing even remotely resembling a competent starting pitcher. They did have relief ace Hugh Casey, who kept them alive almost single-handedly. The Yankees had a relief ace, too. His name was Joe Page, and he came out of the bullpen in the fifth inning of the finale with the Yankees having just taken a 3-2 lead.Page shut out the Dodgers the rest of the way, allowing just a ninth inning single, which was followed by a game ending double play.

1952 - NY Yankees 4 at Brooklyn 2 - The Dodgers came home to Ebbets Field with a 3-2 lead in the series. The Bombers won 3-2 in the sixth game; in the finale Mickey Mantle broke up a 2-2 with a solo homer in the sixth, and he singled in an insurance run an inning later.

1955 - Brooklyn 2 at New York Yankees 0 - Dodgers-Yankees yet again, and the Dodgers finally won a championship. Johnny Podres scattered eight hits to become the first official World Series MVP. Man, the 1950s were the most boring era... I know New York sportswriters absolutely loved it - it was the Yankees against the Dodgers or Giants year after year - but the game basically sucked.

1956 - NY Yankees 9 at Brooklyn 0 - Yes, it's Dodgers-Yankees yet again! This one ended with three consecutive shutouts. Don Larsen's perfect game gave the Yankees a 3-2 lead, but the Dodgers tied it up again as Clem Labine shut out the Yankees for ten innings until Jackie Robinson drove home Jim Gilliam with the game's only run in bottom half. But the finale was a snoozer. Yogi Berra tagged  Don Newcombe for a pair of two-run homers and chased him after three innings. Johnny Kucks tossed a three hitter.

1957 - Milwaukee 5 at New York Yankees 0 - The Yankees were back yet again, but this time the opposition came from Milwaukee. Variety, 1950s style! The Braves had taken a 3-2 lead when Lew Burdette got his secpnd win of the series, beating Whitey Ford 1-0. The Yankees forced a seventh game, so Burdette came back on two days rest and tossed another shutout.

1958 - New York Yankees 6 at Milwaukee 2 - The Yankees had won the rematch a year after the Dodgers beat them in 1955. This being the 1950s, they did the same thing when they got a rematch with the Braves after losing to them a year earlier.  The Braves won three of the first four games, but the Bombers rallied to take the last three, getting some special revenge by beating Lew Burdette in the finale. The game was tied 2-2 going to the eighth, but Elston Howard singled home Berra to break the tie and Bill Skowron followed with a three run homer.

1960 - New York Yankees 9 at Pittsburgh 10 - A famous series, a famous finale. The Yankees won by scores of 16-3, 10-0, and 12-0. But they lost the other three games 6-4, 3-2, and 5-2 to make the finale necessary. It was a humdringer folks, and you can watch it all on YouTube (something I highly recommend!) The Pirates jumped out to a quick 4-0 lead, but the Yankees got one back in the fifth and took the lead with four runs in the sixth. They increased that lead to 7-4 in the seventh, but tiny LH Bobby Shantz ran out of gas in his fifth inning of relief work. Jim Coates relieved Shantz and gave up an RBI single to Clemente and a three run homer to Smith. The Pirates were back on top 9-7 heading for the ninth. But Mantle singled in one run and miraculously avoided being doubled up on Berra's grounder, thereby allowing McDougald to score the tying run. Which took us all to the bottom of the ninth. Ralph Terry came in to pitch to Bill Mazeroski. You know the rest.

1962 - New York Yankees 1 at San Francisco 0 - A rainout in New York and a couple of days of rain in San Francisco dragged this series on and on and on. The sixth game was played eleven days after the opener, and the Giants beat Whitey Ford to force the seventh game. This one is remembered for its ending. With the Yankees clinging to a 1-0 lead, Matty Alou led off with a bunt single. Terry struck out the next two hitters, but Willie Mays doubled into the right field corner and only a superb play by Maris kept the tying run at third. Willie McCovey, still a platoon player at this stage of his career was up - he had hit a triple off Terry in his previous at bat. The tying run was on third, the winning run was on second, first base was open, a RH batter was on deck. And they pitched to him anyway. McCovey lashed a line drive straight into Bobby Richardson's glove. Game over.

1964 - New York Yankees 5 at St.Louis 7 - Mel Stottlemyre, the Yankees 22 year old rookie, and the great Bob Gibson matched up three times in this series (which also featured the Boyer brothers, Ken and Clete, at third base for the two teams.) Stottlemyre won Game 2 and pitched Gibson to a draw in the fifth game - the Cardinals won by scoring three times against the New York bullpen. They both came back on two days for the finale, but the kid was out of gas The Cardinals led 6-0 after five; Gibson himself ran out of gas near the end, but this was never in doubt.

1965 - Los Angeles Dodgers 2 at Minnesota 0 - Sandy Koufax tossed a four hit shutout with 10 KS in the fifth game, putting the Dodgers ahead 3 games to two. But the Twins forced a seventh game, so Koufax came back on two days rest for the finale. He discovered right away that he couldn't throw his curve ball for strikes. So he scrapped his curve and just threw fastballs the rest of the way. He shut out the Twins on three hits, striking out ten. Hey, he was Sandy Freaking Koufax.

1967 - St.Louis 7 at Boston 2 - Bob Gibson had blown away the Red Sox in Games 1 and 4; Boston ace Jim Lonborg had done the same to St. Louis in Games 2 and 5. But this meant Lonborg started the finale on just two days rest and the Cardinals got to him for seven runs in six innings. Giving Bob Gibson a six run lead - that's like giving a grizzly bear the first whack.

1968 - Detroit 4 at St.Louis 1 - The Tigers dropped three of the first four - Bob Gibson blew them away twice, beating 31 game winner Denny McLain both times. The Tigers took the fifth game as Mickey Lolich won for the second time and the series shifted to St.Louis. The Tigers won the sixth game in a blowout, and took on Gibson again in the finale. He and Lolich traded zeroes into the seventh, when the Tigers put up a stunning three spot, the big blow being Northrup's two run triple that somehow got past Curt Flood.

1971 - Pittsburgh 2 at Baltimore 1 - The Orioles were the defending champs; the Pirates were making their first appearance in the Series since their 1960 win. This was a tight pitcher's duel - Roberto Clemente hit a solo homer off Mike Cuellar in the fourth, and a Jose Pagan double scored Willie Stargell in the eighth. Steve Blass survived a bit of trouble in the eighth and notched his second CG win of the series.

1972 - Oakland 3 at Cincinnati 2- The A's didn't score much in this series, but they didn't give up much either; they won three games by a score of 3-2 and once by 2-1. Blue Moon Odom and Jack Billingham were the starters in the finale, but both managers went to the bullpen very early in this one, and it blew up on the Reds. Pedro Borbon relieved Billingham in a 1-1 tie, and Gene Tenace's breakout continued. His double broke up the tie, the A's scored another, and Catfish Hunter and Rollie Fingers closed it out.

1973 - New York Mets 2 at Oakland 5 - The Mets, with their 82-79 record, looked like the least impressive Series participants ever. But the two teams split the first four games and the Mets took the series lead behind Jerry Koosman's Game 5 shutout. But the A's went home and Catfish Hunter beat Tom Seaver, thanks to a pair of run scoring doubles by Reggie Jackson. In the finale, the A's jumped on Jon Matlack early, two run homers by Bert Campaneris and Jackson doing the damage.
 
1975 - Cincinnati 4 at Boston 3 - This series was much more famous for its epic Game Six - you know, Carbo's pinch hit homer, Evans' great catch, Fisk's game winning homer in extras. A tough act to follow. The finale was quite the game anyway. The Red Sox took an early 3-0 lead but Spaceman Bill Lee got a little too cute and tried to fool Tony Perez with something in between a slow curve and an eephus pitch. Perez turned it into a two run homer. The Reds tied the game in the seventh and Joe Morgan's single plated Ken Griffey with the winning run in the ninth.

1979 - Pittsburgh 4 at Baltimore 1 - The Orioles took three of the first four, but the We-Are-Fam-a-lee Pirates fought back to force the finale. They shut down the Baltimore bats more or less completely, holding the Orioles to a total of two runs in the final three games. Willie Stargell's two run homer off Scott McGregor in the sixth put them ahead for the rest of the season.

1982 - Milwaukee 3 at St.Louis 6 - The Cardinlas trailed three games to two, but they came home and blew out the Brewers 13-1 to force the seventh game. They were trailing 3-1 in the sixth when they rallied with a couple of hits against Pete Vuckovich. LH reliever Bob McClure came in and gave up a two run single to Keith Hernandez that tied the game and another single to George Hendrick that put the Cardinals ahead. 

1985 - St. Louis 0 at Kansas City 11
- The Royals had trailed the Blue Jays three games to one in the ALCS and come back to win; they trailed the Cardinals three games to one in the series and did likewise. The finale was a snoozer, memorable mostly for the Cardinals' complete meltdown in the fifth inning, when the Royals saw five St. Louis pitchers, scored six times, and saw Whitey Herzog and Joaquin Andujar ejected from the premises.

1986 - Boston 5 at New York Mets 8-  Just like Boston's previous appearance in the series (1975), it was Game 6 (the Bill Buckner game) that was by the most memorable. Just as in the 1975 finale, Boston took an early 3-0 lead. Once again, it didn't matter. The Mets tied it with three in the sixth, went ahead with three more in the seventh, and Bostonians cursed the evil fate that had ever made them cheer for the Red Sox.

1987 - St.Louis 2 at Minnesota 4 - The home team won all seven games in this series, which somehow took away some of the drama. The Twins struggled on the artificial turf and distant fences in St.Louis; the Cardinals couldn't cope with the noise and general weirdness of the Metrodome. Two fine pitchers who would end their careers in Toronto matched up in the finale, with Frank Viola beating Danny Cox.

1991 - Atlanta 0 at Minnesota 1 - A famous game, one of the greatest games on this list. Both teams had finished dead last in 1990, which added to the wonder of it all. Jack Morris and John Smoltz were both brilliant, pitching out of trouble, allowing nothing. The Twins put two men on in the second, but Smoltz retired Pagliarulo. The Braves got two on with one out in the third, and again in the fifth. Morris worked out of both jams. In the top of the eighth, Smith singled and Pendleton doubled - Smith probably would have scored but a superb deke by rookie second baseman Chuck Knoblauch caused Smith to hesitate long enough to force him to stop at third base. Second and third, no one out. Morris worked out of that jam, too. In the bottom of the inning, Smoltz allowed a couple of hits - Mike Stanton came out of the pen, loaded the bases, and then got the inning ending double play. In the ninth, the Twins got two singles to begin the inning - Alejandro Pena came out of the pen and got a double play and a strikeout to end that threat. Morris just kept on throwing. Finally, in the bottom of the tenth, Gladden led off with a double and was bunted to third base. After a couple of intentional walks, Larkin singled to left-centre and the great ball game was over.

1997 - Cleveland 2 at Florida 3 - Four years earlier, Tony Fernandez and Al Leiter had helped the Blue Jays win their second title. Now Fernandez was playing second base for Cleveland, while Leiter was starting Game 7 for Florida. Tony struck first, delivering a two run single in the top of the third. Leiter held firm from that point, and the Marlins got one run back in the seventh on Bobby Bonilla's homer. But the Indians went to the ninth three outs away from their first championship in 49 years with their closer, Jose Mesa, coming out of the pen. Moises Alou, who had a monster Series, led off with a single. He took third on Charles Johnson's single and scored the tying run on Craig Counsell's sac fly. And off to extras we went. In the eleventh, Bonilla led off with a single and with one out, Counsell hit a routine grounder to the right side. Somehow, it went under Fernandez's glove. Bonilla took third and scored the winning run when Edgar Renteria grounded a single up the middle. Cleveland is still waiting.

2001 - New York Yankees 2 at Arizona 3 - A great series, with a worthy finale. Arizona won the first two at home easily enough behind Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling, who were clearly the two best pitchers on the planet that year. But the series went back to New York and the Yankees took three straight one-run games. Twice they tied the game with two-run homers in the bottom of the ninth against Arizona closer Byung-Hun Kim and went on to win in extras. Unbelievable stuff. But back in the desert, Arizona forced the finale with a 15-2 beatdown. The Game 7 matchup was merely Roger Clemens vs Curt Schilling. Mercy! Arizona got one in the sixth; the Yankees got it back in the seventh and went ahead on Alfonso Soriano's eight inning homer. And Mariano Rivera - Mariano Rivera! - couldn't close it. Tony Womack and Luis Gonzalez had the big hits at the end - Mark Grace's leadoff single and Rivera's own error were pretty huge as well.

2002 - San Francisco 1 at Anaheim 4 - This is another one best remembered for its Game 6, when Dusty Baker's slightly quick hook for starter Russ Ortiz, with a 5-0 lead in the seventh, blew up all over the Bay area and forced a seventh game. But it was a bit of a snoozer - the Angels chased Livan Hernandez in the third, the big blow being Garret Anderson's three run double, and cruised to victory.

2011 - Texas 2 at St.Louis 6 - Another series best remembered for its epic Game 6 (the David Freese Game - a two run triple in the ninth to tie the game, a walkoff homer in the eleventh to win it). The finale couldn't match that, although it started out with a lot of action - Texas scored twice off Chris Carpenter to begin the game, the Cardinals came back with two in their half of the first to tie it. But Carpenter settled in, and the Cardinals pulled away - one in the third, two in the fifth, one in the seventh. And they won their seventh Game 7.

2014 - San Francisco 3 at Kansas City 2 - A pair of second place teams shockingly dispatched all the 90 win teams ahead of them in the preliminary rounds (the Royals went undefeated in the AL; the Giants lost once in the NLDS and once in the NLCS). The series was a bit of a snoozer - only one of the first six games was close. The story was Madison Bumgarner building his legend as one of the greatest post-season pitchers who has ever lived. And that's what the finale was about as well. After both teams put up a pair of runs in the second inning, the Giants scored again in the fourth and in the fifth they summoned Bumgarner from the bullpen. And once they did, the game was over. He allowed a single to the first man he faced, and retired the next 14 batters in a row. With two out in the ninth, he allowed another single to Alex Gordon, who just kept running as Gregor Blanco whiffed on the ball in centre and Juan Perez kicked it around at the wall. But Gordon stopped at third, and Bumgarner got Sal Perez to pop out to end it.

2016 - Chicago Cubs 8 at Cleveland 7 - By now it had been 68 years since Cleveland won a championship - they'd lost all three trips to the Series since then. Generations of disappointment. But it had been 108 years since the Cubs last won. That was the great Tinker-Evers-Chance team, who were possibly the most dominant team in the game's long history. (They just weren't quite as good at winning the last game of the year as Casey's Yankees. Or McCarthy's.) Theo Epstein and Terry Francona had teamed up in 2004 to end the Red Sox 86 year drought. Now Epstein was running the Cubs and Francona was managing the Indians. Something had to give. Cleveland won twice at ancient Wrigley Field to go ahead three games to one. The Cubs rallied behind Jon Lester and Jake Arrieta to force the seventh game, and it was a doozy. The Cubs scored six runs, mostly on three homers, against Cleveland aces Corey Kluber and Andrew Miller. They took a 6-3 lead to the eighth, but after Jon Lester - pitching in relief for the first time since 2007 - allowed an infield single, Joe Maddon called on closer Aroldis Chapman. Chapman had pitched in both the previous two games, throwing 42 pitches in one of them, making this the most Joe Maddon-like move imaginable. Cleveland instantly tied the game on a Brandon Guyer double and a Rajai Davis homer. The ninth was scoreless, and before we could get to extra innings, we had to sit through a 17 minute rain delay. It was worth the wait. The Cubs quickly scored twice in the top of the tenth. Cleveland tried to mount a two out rally in the bottom half - Guyer walked and scored on a Davis single, but the Cubs hung on for the win.
 
2017 - Houston 5 at Los Angeles Dodgers 1
- The title is tainted somewhat by the memory of those trash cans banging away. The Astros did win two of three at Enron Memorial (although they were actually out-scored 21-20 in the three games played in Houston.) The finale was played in Dodger Stadium and it was over pretty fast. Yu Darvish didn't have it. George Springer led off the game with a double, as the Astros scored twice in the first; an inning later, Springer chased Darvish from the game with a two-run homer. Lance McCullers and four relievers, led by Charlie Morton, held the Dodgers to one run on six hits.

2019 - Washington 6 at Houston 2 - This was the Road Warrior series. Washington won the first two games in Houston behind Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg. The Astros roared back with three wins in DC, outscoring the Nats 19-3 in the three games. Back to Houston we went, and Strasburg beat Justin Verlander to set up the finale, in which they made it a clean sweep for whoever was the visiting team. It was Scherzer against Zack Greinke, and Greinke was just a bit better. The Astros took a 2-0 lead into the seventh. But after an Anthony Rendon homer and walk to Juan Soto, A.J. Hinch went to his bullpen. Howie Kendricks hit the second pitch thrown by Will Harris for a two run homer. The Nats added another run in the righth against Roberto Osuna, and Daniel Hudson - who had spent the first half of the season with the frightful 2019 Blue Jays - picked up his fourth save of the post-season.

2025 - Los Angeles ? at Toronto ? - Whatever happens tonight, this has been a marvellous World Series, a genuine Fall Classic. Memorable performances from the marquee stars, Ohtani and Guerrero Jr. Amazing pitching performances from Yamamoto and Yesavage. Unexpected heroes popping up - Will Smith, Addison Barger. Both teams took devastating blows, both were down for the count - and both teams got up off the mat and struck back, hard. Both teams have showed everything you could possibly want from a champion. 

I set out on this exercise with the fond hope that by so doing, it would not be necessary - that the Jays would win in six and all this work would not be required after all. Too clever by half. But the process, reviewing it all... oh man. Some of these games were just so bloody great, just mind-bogglingly wonderful. I couldn't possibly say which I like best. It might be the lowest scoring (1991) game of them all. Unless it's the highest scoring (1960) game of the bunch. Those were two incredible, gripping baseball games - but some of the others might have been just as good. 1912 and 2016. 1946 and 2001. This is the stuff! This is why we watch, why we care. 

So play ball, already!

Matchup

Ohtani (1-1, 2.87) vs Scherzer (5-5, 5.19)
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electric carrot - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#472645) #
Very cool write-up Magpie.

As for the game this eve: I'd rather have LA's starter but the Blue Jays hitters and defense. Heck of a series so far.
electric carrot - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#472646) #
Advice to John Schneider: With Scherzer, call for the pitching change before you get to the mound.
Katie - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#472647) #
Great writeup, Magpie!

I've never been more nervous to watch a sporting event in my life.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#472648) #
Appreciate the writeup Magpie.

Katie: Me too. I'm especially nervous for the first inning. Scherzer against Ohtani, Smith, Freeman, maybe Betts and others too. It seems very important that he make it through that inning unscathed. And it would be immensely helpful if the Blue Jays were to take an early lead in the game.

But there is no way to know how this game is going to unfold.
Dewey - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#472649) #
Very nice summary, Magpie. But I think you’re rather harsh on ’50’s baseball. Besides Willie, Mickey, and the Duke, there was Warren Spahn, and Stan Musial, and Johnny Mize and dozens of other memorable players. (Guess you had to be there. I was.)
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#472650) #
Barger up in lineup and Varsho down thankfully but Lukes still at 2 spot. I don't get it.
92-93 - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#472651) #
It’s the obsession with breaking up the lefties instead of giving more (important) ABs to better hitters.
electric carrot - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#472652) #
Yes, would rather see Lukes further down the lineup and Vladdy at #2. (Show me up Lukes!)
scottt - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#472653) #
The 9th hitter had the last AB yesterday. That mean zero ABs to distribute by shuffling the lineup.

The Dodgers pen has 4 lefties.

They might pinch hit for Lukes but not for Barger.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#472654) #
Yes, the Blue Jays will have had a tremendous season even if they lose tonight’s game. But if they want to achieve baseball immortality, there is only one way to do it: win the game.

No pressure.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#472655) #
Keegan Matheson
@KeeganMatheson
John Schneider tells us that just before the #BlueJays took the field for Game 6 last night, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. told the team:

“If you’re nervous tonight, look at me.”
John Northey - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#472657) #
Should've looked at the new thread before doing a tiny summary of game 7's in the other thread. You did far better than I did.

As to today - I expect quicker pitching changes, especially from LA. Safe to say Roberts has zero trust in his pitchers outside of Ohtani & Glasnow who both will be asked to go as long as they can. Sasaki & Yamamoto are the most trusted but neither is really available outside of 1 or 2 batters I'd think. For the Jays everyone is available but Gausman I'd think. Yesavage has maybe 1 inning if absolutely needed. However we know Schneider has faith in everyone pretty much (might finally have hit his Little limit) so anything could happen. Bieber has to be the 2nd guy in (well, might use someone else to finish an inning first).

Should be interesting. Lets hope the bats are alive. I'm really, really hoping Vlad is on and that Bo gets a moment to remember before he hits free agency.
Craig B - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#472658) #
Really looking forward to tonight. I want to thank you all here for the magnificent two decades. Hope this is the culmination.
dalimon5 - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#472659) #
Arriving at the Dome, OPP has SWAT teams set up around the place.
Craig B - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 06:13 PM EDT (#472660) #
Following up to dalimon5, please be careful tonight if you're going out, I am sure the government is very very eager to show who's boss of Ontario.
SK in NJ - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#472661) #
If Barger didn’t get picked off, then would the Dodgers have even pitched to Springer? Lukes in the 2 spot is hurting them. Disappointing that they didn’t make a switch there.
Magpie - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#472662) #
Music for tonight.

I'm the new blue blood
I'm the great white hope
I'm the new blue blood
I'm Mr November...

Who's it gonna be?
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#472663) #
Thanks for the read Magpie. If we don't have a Joe Carter moment I would settle for a Luis Gonzalez. Or could Max Scherzer be like Madison Bumgarner.

Springer doubled leading off his last game seven, could he do it again?
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#472664) #
I just hope the Blue Jays continue to do what got them to this point in the season. Don’t go changing!
BlueJayWay - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#472665) #
OPP has SWAT teams set up around the place.

Seriously?
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#472666) #
I don't need it to be a close game. I'm more than fine if it is like 12-4 in the top of the 9th and we can do mid-top of inning defensive subs for Bo and then Vlad to give each an ovation.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#472667) #
Music for tonight.

More suggestions, please!

greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#472668) #
Or something recent and ubiquitous:

I'm done hidin', now I'm shinin' like I'm born to be
We dreamin' hard, we came so far, now I'll believe
We're goin' up, up, up, it's our moment
You know together we're glowing
Gonna be, gonna be golden
Kelekin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#472669) #
Regardless of the result, I'm so happy we got to a world series, and game 7 no less. It's the most fun it's been to watch the team in sometime, and glad to be watching it with all of you (in spirit).
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#472670) #
Some dissing of Nathan Lukes before the game. If things follow as they have most of the season when a player is criticized, expect him to do something big or have a good game.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#472671) #
Some dissing of Nathan Lukes before the game. If things follow as they have most of the season when a player is criticized, expect him to do something big or have a good game.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#472672) #
vladdy makes the first big play of the day. nice.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#472673) #
Great first inning Max.

It’s WS Game 7. Every inning, every out, is huge.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#472674) #
promising leadoff at bat.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#472675) #
shohei has zero control of his offspeed stuff so far. fatigue hopefully.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#472676) #
Lukes still looking overmatched in the 2 hole.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#472677) #
I just saw a report that Glasnow is dealing with side tightness.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#472678) #
wow has that happen again.

oof.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#472679) #
Another Blue Jays baserunning error. What is going on?
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#472680) #
Just incredible. T-ball level baserunning this series for the Jays.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#472681) #
The Jays baserunning has been costly this WS. Bo, Barger and now Springer.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#472682) #
Is it really that hard to just not assume a walk?
TangledUpInBlue - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#472683) #
Did he think there were two outs?
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#472684) #
​springer woulda been out on vladdy interference anyways.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#472685) #
By the way, why did Ohtani get all the extra warmup time before the first? Isn’t there a clock on that?
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#472686) #
ok max looked legit good that inning.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#472687) #
Another great inning for Max, even if Edman almost took him deep.
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#472688) #
Not nearly as bad as the Bo one but still just crazy. Did he think it was hit and run? Was it?
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#472689) #
ok Bo don't run yourself out this time.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#472690) #
please andres one more big hit and you're forever a legend
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#472691) #
oh man oh man oh man
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#472692) #
My kingdom for an RBI hit.
Four Seamer - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#472693) #
Bichette is making Kirk look like Usain Bolt at the moment.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#472694) #
The Jays were strong this season with contributions up and down the order. Now at the end of the season Lukes, Varsho and Gimenez don't look good. Even Kirk hasn't hit in a couple of games now.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#472695) #
Max looks fantastic, but the Blue Jays need some runs. Max can be prone to the occasional long ball, and Toronto does not want to fall behind in this game.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#472696) #
it's only one time through the order but that's probably the best Max has looked one time through the order this year.
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#472697) #
Bo running like this is a real liability. I think even Kirk might score that inning.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#472698) #
KPop Golden Scoring Opportunity here.
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#472699) #
Wooooooooow
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#472700) #
one legged Bo >>>
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#472701) #
BO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#472702) #
That hit work for you, Gerry? :)
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#472703) #
might be the longest HR bo has ever hit
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#472704) #
Bo’s Kirk Gibson moment
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#472705) #
That worked, Bo didn't have to run.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#472706) #
how badly do you think Max wants not just to win but put up some kind of ridiculous ace performance.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#472707) #
Incredibly exciting inning. But — get some insurance runs. It’s early.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#472708) #
is Lukes' bunt there now arguably the greatest bunt in mlb history?
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#472709) #
can't believe kirk couldn't squeeze that. damn that could be huge.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#472710) #
Thank you, defense!
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#472711) #
vladito is the greatest to ever play the game
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#472712) #
Great defense saving them. Now, go score off Glasnow.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#472713) #
So I missed the first 3 innings, just saw from 1st and 3rd to close the inning giving up only 1 run thanks to some great defense. How'd the scoring go?
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#472714) #
No one's going to miss games this season for bench clearing. Weird to pitch at Gimenez.
Nigel - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#472715) #
Like I said the other night, the Dodgers sure hit a lot of guys when they start losing.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#472716) #
Why would the Jays pick up a warning? Now the Jays might lose someone because the Dodgers like to hit people.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#472717) #
ha george nails him right back that's the greatest thing i;ve ever seen
TomTheTerminator - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#472718) #
haha George settling the score
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#472719) #
Not pinch hitting Schneider seems odd to me here.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#472720) #
Why is Lukes there?!?
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#472721) #
Maybe they didn't want Glasnow-Schneider since Wrobleski didn't exactly look great.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#472722) #
Michael, the LA run scored on a Teo sac fly — a well-struck sinking line drive that Varsho made a great diving catch on in CF.

Then Vladdy made a terrific diving catch on another line drive to close out the inning with two runners on.
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#472723) #
I'd much rather have Schneider VS Glasnow than Lukes vs anyone. He just can't hit at all right now.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#472724) #
@greenfrog, thanks, yeah I saw the LA run and the good defense. It was the Bo 3-run HR that I hadn't seen (but I caught up on that much at least during the pitching changes in the 4th).
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#472725) #
have a bow max
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#472726) #
Wow. Using Varland against Ohtani, maybe in part because Smith is the next hitter. Another huge managerial decision.
AWeb - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#472727) #
Varland against Ohtani? Yikes
Shoeless Joe - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#472728) #
Listen Mad Max did his job. If he’s pitched his last, he went out on top

Varland has to do his, even if Fluharty was the right call.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#472729) #
Why do we keep throwing 0-2 pitches that are so hittable?!?
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#472730) #
Phew!
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#472731) #
Varland’s 0-2 pitch to Ohtani was just OK, but he did a brilliant job pitching his way out of that jam. John Schneider made the right call.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#472732) #
Do we know are Yesavage and Bassitt ready or expected ready today?
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#472733) #
Agree Varland was right call. He's just a better pitcher and those guys can hit lefties. You don't want to get beaten with your 8th best available pitcher or something. Go to your big guns.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#472734) #
So happy I’m PVRing this game.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#472735) #
Who gets the last 12 outs?
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#472736) #
yuge louie yuge
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#472737) #
louie/bass/hoff
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#472738) #
Varland/Bassit/Hoffman with Yesavage available too.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#472739) #
Great to have a two-run lead, but this game still feels way too close. Wish Lukes, Varsho, Kirk and Gimenez could get back to driving the ball.

What inning does Straw enter to play defense? The eighth, maybe?
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#472740) #
Ugh….don't like this start to the inning at all.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#472741) #
Why was Bassitt so afraid of Mookie
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#472742) #
Bassitt was great all series until today
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#472743) #
OMG what a massive out getting Rojas on a 3-2 pitch with Ohtani on deck.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#472744) #
9 outs
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#472745) #
looks like Trey for Ohtani, and I can't complain. nobody's made Ohtani look sillier.

hopefully they can tell in the bullpen if the kid's slider is on or not tho.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#472746) #
Last time Yesavage pitched in the dome he didn't have his splitter. Schneider needs to know he has it before he goes in.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#472747) #
So does Bassitt get another inning? They got a lot of hits, but I think it was more a control problem on strikezone than his stuff getting hit hard.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#472748) #
i have never approved more for a bunt
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#472749) #
I think that half-inning illustrated the point Nigel made yesterday. Going all-in using the best bullpen arms in that game might be having an impact in today’s game. Bassitt was great in game 6 but may have been fatigued today. After all, he is an almost-37-year-old starting pitcher who was on the IL just before the postseason.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#472750) #
andres pays back his manager so so hugely
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#472751) #
Massive WPA on that fantastic double by Gimenez.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#472752) #
What a GREAT at bat!!!! The 3-1 take to let Ernie steal the base and then the ripped double!!!
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#472753) #
Andres should steal third
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#472754) #
The 7th inning against the top of the order is a lot to put on a 22 year old.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#472755) #
8 outs
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#472756) #
6 outs!

And more terrific defense!
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#472757) #
oh baby.

oh baby.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#472758) #
HUGE double play!!!!!!!!!
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#472759) #
Vlad getting to flash the defense again. Let's go!! 6 outs mean it is possible to go through before/without Ohtani.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#472760) #
@Michael. Yes I think that’s one reason why Vladdy was so ecstatic afterwards. He knew the significance of that DP.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#472761) #
Don’t let up. Get one more run at least.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#472762) #
This would be a great time for a timely Varsho HR.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#472763) #
5 outs
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#472764) #
4 outs
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#472765) #
Still 5 outs, but only 1 run now.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#472766) #
Hoffman 1 run save attempt is kind of the perfect way to end the season really.
BlueJayWay - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#472767) #
4 outs
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#472768) #
We knew it would be down to Hoffman—please be good Hoffman.
Eephus - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#472769) #
Here we go. Good Hoffman?
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#472770) #
The HR means Ohtani will be up in the ninth.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#472771) #
The Muncy HR means that Ohtani is going to bat in the ninth.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#472772) #
this season is literally going to come down to one run game 2 outs Ohtani at the plate
James W - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#472773) #
Letting Muncy get ahold of one means Ohtani bats in the 9th.

Nobody said it was easy
No one ever said it would be this hard
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#472774) #
Clement…there are no words
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#472775) #
Do you IBB Ohtani if it is 2 outs no one on up by one?
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#472776) #
What a hit Ernie! Get him in!!!
Nigel - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#472777) #
Ernie is a baseball God.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#472778) #
can't believe we let ernie face a righty!
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#472779) #
How do you get Clement home? Because that is a massive insurance run on second base.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#472780) #
michael - the answer to that one is obvious.....


.....



...


...



...maybe.
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#472781) #
I like the call and so unlucky for Gimenez and Jays.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#472782) #
Oh no a critical bad ump call
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#472783) #
I mean the 2-1 outside pitch on Davis called a strike
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#472784) #
love umps
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#472785) #
Killer strike 2 call on Davis…changes the at bat entirely.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#472786) #
Squeaky bum time!
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#472787) #
Yeah that was a big time for a bad call on ball/strikes, but at least the ump has been somewhat consistently calling that outside pitch a strike (both for and against us).
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#472788) #
Jeff - i love you and I've always believed in you never doubted you for a second.

bring us home.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#472789) #
2 outs
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#472790) #
2 outs to go.

I say pitch to Ohtani if it is 2 out no one on, but I'd understand IBB too.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#472791) #
I hate Hoffman so much
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#472792) #
Hoffman always home run prone.
Four Seamer - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#472793) #
3-4-5 coming up at least. Let’s get Hoffman another win!
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#472794) #
never wanted to be wronger about someone than hoffman.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#472795) #
vladdy is absolutely walking this off
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#472796) #
Walk off moment now given a chance. I still like our chances.

Time to touch 'em all Vlad!
Katie - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#472797) #
I thought not scoring Ernie would come back to bite them and it did.

I just thought it would be Ohtani, not Rojas.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#472798) #
How huge is the failure to score the insurance runs the Blue Jays have had on second base with none out
metafour - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#472799) #
Hoffman has carried them so hard throughout these playoffs. If we lose, it will be because of all of the add-on runs that we completely botched.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#472800) #
Umpire is terrible, both ways.
James W - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#472801) #
Baker has been emphatically awful behind the plate tonight.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#472802) #
We can’t go to extras with this depleted lineup again. Have to win it here somehow
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#472803) #
Tremendous PA by Barger. Just fabulous.

Now Kirk…you are such a good hitter. Just hit a single into the alley here.
AWeb - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#472804) #
Chewing through my teeth at this point
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#472805) #
bases loaded tie game bottom 9th game 7 world series are you kidding me
Katie - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#472806) #
A medium-deep depth flyball, Varsho. Please.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#472807) #
Or a walk or HBP
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#472808) #
How about a bunt!
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#472809) #
just one more, ernie.
blu-j - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#472810) #
Why was IKF so close to 3rd base? He was in to run, and it looked like he could have scored there.
Glevin - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#472811) #
Varsho has just been so bad this world Series.
soupman - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#472812) #
Why isn’t Bieber a factor?
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#472813) #
Varsho not up to much recently.
dalimon5 - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#472814) #
At the game it looked like IKF was very slow to leave 3B in addition to being so tight to the bag.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#472815) #
We continue to be the better team, but we do need to convert one of these threats.

Are we on the way for another 18 inning game? I think we walk it off in the 10th or 11th.
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#472816) #
Freeman or Muncy vs Dominguez gives me the willies
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#472817) #
Varsho has been brilliant in the field and a complete dud at the plate lately.
AWeb - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#472818) #
Holy cow that was close. Both times. Agonizing.
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#472819) #
I think you go to Lauer before Bieber, but Bieber before Little.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#472820) #
Disastrous outings by Hoffman and Seranthony.
dalimon5 - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#472821) #
Where is Shane Bieber???
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:50 PM EDT (#472822) #
It looks like the gods are against us.
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#472823) #
please don't lose the world series with seranthony dominguez on the mound.
Four Seamer - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#472824) #
Home plate umpire definitely making the case for robo umps next year.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#472825) #
Holy cow lucky lucky
BlueJayWay - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#472826) #
this is something
uglyone - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#472827) #
some interesting footwork by seranthony there but i'll take it
Michael - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#472828) #
Mr post season Springer HR to end it?
Gerry - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#472829) #
Myles Straw to drive in the winning run? Why not, everything else has happened.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#472830) #
I've aged 10 years since the game started.
Four Seamer - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#472831) #
It’s a good thing I’m drinking light beer tonight.
greenfrog - Saturday, November 01 2025 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#472832) #
Wonder how many bullets Yamamoto has left.
metafour - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#472833) #
Has Springer struck out in 3 straight at-bats?
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#472834) #
France could hit if Vladdy moves to 3B.
Michael - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#472835) #
Let's say the Jays get through the top of the inning with no runs, if you are LA do you let Vlad hit, or do you IBB with IKF in Bo's spot?
AWeb - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#472836) #
https://youtu.be/4gX7aGutxgw?si=aCSqsEkF5rc1iLRd

Picked a hell of a day to quit compilation...
AWeb - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#472837) #
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blu-j - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#472838) #
The long ball, always the long ball
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#472839) #
Jays have used seven pitchers so far in this game. Five have given up a run.
Glevin - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#472840) #
Bad bad bad. Jays have left 13 runners on.
Michael - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#472841) #
One last come from behind needed.
greenfrog - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:13 AM EDT (#472842) #
Wow (again)! Vladdy is such a good hitter. Not going down without a fight!
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:13 AM EDT (#472843) #
No bunt
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#472844) #
I hate that bunt.
greenfrog - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#472845) #
Pitched around the hot Barger to face Kirk instead
electric carrot - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#472846) #
i like the bunt
electric carrot - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#472847) #
aahhh!
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#472848) #
Yamamoto beat the Jays, who were the better team.
jjdynomite - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#472849) #
The best yen could buy.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#472850) #
damn.

we deserved better. not that it matters.

closer giving up a game tying HR to the fill-in #9 hitter is haunting stuff.
metafour - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:20 AM EDT (#472851) #
They choked, nothing else to really say unfortunately.
Michael - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:20 AM EDT (#472852) #
Heartbreaking.

On paper, Dodgers were better. In the series Jays were better but Ohtani and Yamamoto were amazing and carried the Dodgers.
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:20 AM EDT (#472853) #
Unbelievable season. Amazing. Outstanding. Yamamoto beat the Blue Jays.
Glevin - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#472854) #
Just couldn't get guys in at all. Bases loaded one out, first and third one out. No runs. Being steamrolled would have been easier but Jays should have won and that's going to sting for a while.
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#472855) #
The longer you leave it close, the more chances there are for the big payroll team to find someone to win it.
greenfrog - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:23 AM EDT (#472856) #
Reminds me of the Cal Raleigh quote after the ALCS:

“I’m super proud of these guys. It was a great team effort. I love every guy in this room but ultimately it’s not what we wanted. I hate to use the word failure, but it’s a failure. We expected to get to the World Series and win the World Series and that’s what the bar is and what the standard is and it’s what we want to hold ourselves accountable to but yeah, it hurts.”
Eephus - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:24 AM EDT (#472857) #
Cruel game, this base of ball.

Pardon my swearing Bauxites, but that was still a fucking hell of a season.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:25 AM EDT (#472858) #
I hate that IKF bunt so so so so much. Giving away an out with a guy already in scoring position. For one single shot at a sac fly. Just kills me.
99BlueJaysWay - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:27 AM EDT (#472859) #
I am so crushed. Damn.
jjdynomite - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#472860) #
Rogers better open the pocketbooks for 2026.
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#472861) #
Dodgers needed all four of their starting pitchers to win it.
greenfrog - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#472862) #
Hoffman walked the knife edge all season and he just couldn’t pull it off one last time. Gave up a home run to the #9 hitter on a cement mixer slider with one out.
Sherrystar - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#472863) #
Seen a lot of Jays baseball. And for me that is going to be remembered as the worst loss in franchise history. It will never be forgotten.
Nigel - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#472864) #
I knew they were done after the Gimenez line out in the 8th. The Baseball Gods had picked a side. That hit should have won the game. Amazing game and year. Crushing defeat.
BlueJayWay - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:30 AM EDT (#472865) #
That was a great season, honestly.

We all had a feeling Hoffman would give up a big hr in the playoffs and that's what happened.
Eephus - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:36 AM EDT (#472866) #
Yeah. Crushing does describe it well. Frankly I just don’t care about off-season stuff or anything at this point. Being as close as possible, as close as it possibly gets…. don’t think I’m alone in saying I need some time away from this.

Wonderful year, it really was. With an unfathomly (who cares it’s a word now) painful ending. That’s baseball and baseball is pain. It hurts almost every time. Been a pleasure sharing this run with you all on Da Box, knowledgeable insight and constantly sharp as always. We will chat again in a few months.
James W - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:38 AM EDT (#472867) #
After Blake Snell's whinging, it's extra shitty that it turned out we weren't lucky enough.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:38 AM EDT (#472868) #
Not even crushed tbh. We finally have a legit team again and all the key pieces will be back plus upgrades. We'll be back.
Glevin - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#472869) #
Crushing loss in every way. Hoffman giving up HR was brutal but offense should have scored way more runs. Just no timely hitting at all. It's still amazing that we had two baserunners thrown out in the WS walking to second base. Just terrible.
AWeb - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:41 AM EDT (#472870) #
That was the most crushing loss I have ever experienced as a fan. I basically called that double play to my wife as Kirk walked up. I thought for a few seconds they had won it at the plate in the 9th and they'd have the most 2025 walkoff possible. Going 0-50 with RISP the last 7 innings. Death by a series of solo homers while failing to get a key hit is a real 'that figures'.

Really wanted to celebrate one with the great folks on here. Hope everyone survived that one.
Four Seamer - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:44 AM EDT (#472871) #
A hugely entertaining season but such a terrible way to lose. The game absolutely fell through their hands tonight - this year felt like lightning in a bottle, and a lot of guys will be haunted for a long time by some terrible performances when it mattered most.
greenfrog - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:44 AM EDT (#472872) #
Great to be part of this informed baseball community. See you at some point in the winter. I am also ready from a break from this season, which was both amazing and crushing as others have said.
Michael - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:54 AM EDT (#472873) #
It hurts to be so close and pull up short.

However:

1. This was a really good team.
2. This was a really fun team.
3. Many key pieces are back and/or not old so the team is starting from a good place in the offseason (they obviously need to do somethings, especially with re-signing Bo or filling that gap - as well as SP when Bieber opts out - even with Yesavage in the rotation all year).

So yeah, disappointed and sad right now, but I already have hints of remembering this team fondly, and I'm sure that will be the dominant feeling towards the 2025 season.
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:56 AM EDT (#472874) #
Yesavage, Hoffman and Bieber all hung a pitch that was drilled.
But I come back to why was Bassitt afraid to throw strikes to Mookie. That walk let the Dodgers back in it.
braden - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:57 AM EDT (#472875) #
It’s so hard to get back. You never know when you’ll get this close (and they literally couldn’t have been closer) again.
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:57 AM EDT (#472876) #
I watch sports to be entertained. And I certainly was this season.
Spifficus - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:09 AM EST (#472877) #
Well, that was definitely not how I wanted it to end, but that was an amazing game in an amazing series in an amazing postseason to cap an amazing year.

I can't wait to see what they have up their sleeve for an encore next year.

Ok, now time to hit the defibrillator a couple times and do some unwinding.
Grimlock - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:30 AM EST (#472878) #
Thanks to the Blue Jays for a wonderful season. In the end, not enough breaks. About as close as you can get without winning it. Though me Grimlock doesnt post at all, always lurking and loves the commentary here. Thanks to all here for a great season.
Spifficus - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:38 AM EST (#472879) #
It's been forever since I've seen a 'Me Grimlock' in a post. I'm glad to see you're still around, even just lurking like I tend to these days.
pooks137 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 02:48 AM EST (#472880) #
It's still amazing that we had two baserunners thrown out in the WS walking to second base. Just terrible.

George Springer was also guilty earlier in the season IIRC of not running full out to homeplate on a basehit where his run ended up not scoring because a trailing runner got thrown out before he crossed the plate.

There was also that bizarre ticky-tacky replay where Springer was tagged out while hopping in the air on third base in celebration.

It's hard to be too mad with George considering he had a career year when he was previously left for dead. And ended up hitting the iconic HR that came back against Seattle in Gm 7 of the ALCS.

But the baserunning in the World Series was awful at times for a team that all the commentators wouldn't stop glazing about how they were winning via the fundamentals.

ISLAND BOY - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:23 AM EST (#472881) #
Time heals all wounds but this is going to take a while to get over. We were so close but going 3/17 with runners in scoring position isn't going to win many games. I'm just going to avoid watching sports highlights for a few days and try to forget last night.
Mike Green - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:25 AM EST (#472882) #
Wonderful season, and probably my favourite Blue Jay club ever.  Thanks to all here for nurturing the pena.

I don't know why the brain trust had so little confidence in Eric Lauer.  Personally, I would have handed him the ball at the beginning of the sixth and let him pitch as long as he was pitching well.  Maybe they know something I don't.

Yamamoto is a beast- great stuff, great command, knows what he is doing out there and nerves of steel.  I'd be surprised if he wasn't the best pitcher in baseball over the next 10 years and gets an early call to Cooperstown.


Katie - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:35 AM EST (#472883) #
It's hard to be too mad with Bo or George, but what's particularly frustrating is that both of the games in which the Jays had a runner caught wandering were games the Jays lost by one run in extra innings where the next two hitters reached base. And while there's no guarantee they would have been pitched the same, etc..., that suggests they would have come round to score.
Katie - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:39 AM EST (#472884) #
Eric Lauer was the only Blue Jays pitcher not to allow a run in the World Series, but he didn't pitch again after Game 3.

Chris Bassitt and Jeff Hoffman combined for 11 innings of 2-run ball in the World Series. Unfortunately, both runs were in Game 7.
Katie - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:41 AM EST (#472885) #
I'm with Mike. This is the most fun I've had watching the Blue Jays in my adult life, although this is going to sting for quite a while.
ayjackson - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:50 AM EST (#472886) #
Great game, great series, great team. No luck at the end of game 6 and no luck at the end of game 7.

It's a funny game.

Thanks for the journey, boys!

When's the Top 30 out?? (j/k)
BlueJayWay - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:51 AM EST (#472887) #
Well, that was definitely not how I wanted it to end, but that was an amazing game in an amazing series in an amazing postseason to cap an amazing year.

Basically the way I see it. That could not have been more entertaining.

I pretty much consider the regular season to be the "real" season, and the playoffs are a fun bonus tournament at the end. Sometimes it's done quickly (like the previous three times) and sometimes you go right to the end. But they won the division and the league pennant and took the defending champs to extra innings of Game 7 in a classic series, and actually outplayed them for the most part. This season will be remembered for a long time.
Magpie - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 09:01 AM EST (#472888) #
The Baseball Gods had picked a side.

Yeah, the same thought occurred.

I have often ranted about how fine the margins are in this game, how excruciatingly narrow is the difference between success and failure. I didn't need another lesson. The distance between Kiner-Falefa's foot and home plate. All the milliseconds and millimetres that determine every thing that happens in this game...

After it was over, for some reason my mind kept straying to men's tennis. (Hear me out!) For more than a decade, the sport was dominated by three titans - Federer, Nadal, Djokovic - who towered above the competition like invincible superheroes let loose amongst tiny, puny mortals. And they would meet in the final of each major tournament - and it was mind-boggling epic stuff, Hector and Achilles on the plains of windy Troy. And one of these men would perform at a level of incomprehensible greatness - and lose. What could that possibly be like?

Near the end of his run of greatness, Federer met Djokovic in the 2019 Wimbledon Final and out-played his younger rival in every way they measure these things. He won more points, he hit more winners, he had the edge in all the various statistical tings that tennis nerds keep track of - first serve percentage, all that stuff. He played brilliantly. But Djokovic kept making incredible shots in every crucial moment, and somehow won the longest Wimbledon final ever played.

Only one can win. The Blue Jays did enough remarkable things last night to win a dozen games. The other guys did a little more, though I don't much feel like tipping my cap.

Well, I was never much impressed by Run Differential.
Katie - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 09:08 AM EST (#472889) #
Speaking of the distance between IKF's foot and home plate, was anyone else extremely unimpressed by the size of IKF's lead at third and lack of secondary lead? If he gets any real secondary lead, he probably scores there.
Katie - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 09:11 AM EST (#472890) #
Imagine if the Jays had someone with an 80% sprint speed available to pinch-run on their bench instead of having to use someone with a 46% sprint speed?
BlueJayWay - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 09:38 AM EST (#472891) #
Yeah, IKF was barely off the bag, as you can see in this screenshot: (have to cut and paste)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4ubUoyXwAAg31q?format=jpg&name=small
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 10:00 AM EST (#472892) #
"Speaking of the distance between IKF's foot and home plate, was anyone else extremely unimpressed by the size of IKF's lead at third and lack of secondary lead? If he gets any real secondary lead, he probably scores there."

I basically questioned this in real time at the game and asked the board how it looked on TV with no responses.
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 10:10 AM EST (#472893) #
Yamamoto was the difference and even then LAD needed all the luck in top of him factoring into 3 of his teams wins. Ugly is right about how good this Jays team is and will still be next year.
electric carrot - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 10:13 AM EST (#472894) #
For me the play of the game was Page's catch of Ernie's hit. When I saw it happen I just did not believe my eyes. I cannot recall another incident where two fielders crashed into each other that hard and one of them hung on to the ball. I haven't watched it in replay yet but during the game I noticed Page was moving very fast and directly to where the ball ended up and plowed Kike like a linebacker plows a kicker on a football team. That was the biggest heartbreaker for me.
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 10:17 AM EST (#472895) #
Free agency starts in a week! MLB has Jays as fits for Bichette, Valdez, King and Suarez.
scottt - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 10:34 AM EST (#472896) #
The Atlantic has an article called "The Best Postseason in Baseball History?"
 We can still look proudly at the 2025 American League pennant. 
It's not like we have a ton of those.

The boys were pretty beat up in the end. 
 What annoys me is losing to a 3-true-outcome team that scored on solo homeruns. 
Glevin - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 11:20 AM EST (#472897) #
Pages' catch was weird because they were playing so shallow. Playing normal depth, I don't think it's a very hard catch for LF. There are so many things that sting. So many what-ifs. Jays should have won and they didn't. It was maybe the worst loss in world series history. Just an absolutely blown game about five different times. They gave the game tonth Dodgers. Most what-ifs are game moments but some what-ifs are about manager decisions (especially game three) and some are front office decisions (settling for IKF and France as bats was a disaster).Jays have a bunch of decisions to make but I have such a sour taste in my mouth from last two games that it's hard to care right now. I will once they start to happen though.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 11:23 AM EST (#472898) #
Woke up disappointed but still not crushed. We had the lead in the 9th and blew the save to their #9 hitter. If i ever trusted our closer then maybe i'd be crushed but i just can't be.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 11:28 AM EST (#472899) #
The dodgers stranded 10 runners and were 1/11 with RISP btw. We weren't the only team blowing chances.
electric carrot - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 11:37 AM EST (#472900) #
I really don't blame anyone on the Jays for Game 6 or 7 losses. Sure, it would have been great if Addison hadn't go picked off in game 6. It would have been great if Straw was running instead of Kiner-Felafa in game 7. Also, nice if Bo and Springer aren't hung up bet 1st and 2nd in both games. And I still wish Vladdy was 2nd in batting order. But, in 20 or so innings I think it was great baseball and you cannot be perfect -- and there was one million things that were done exactly right.
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 11:51 AM EST (#472901) #
Again I am not blaming him but I went and looked at Dalton Varsho's at-bats in games six and seven. In those games he went 0-9.

In 8 of those nine at-bats he came up with at least one man on base
Four times there was at lest one man in scoring position.
In total there were 13 runners on base when he came to bat.
He went 0-9, with no RBI's.

As I mentioned above he and Nathan Lukes had a couple of poor games at the worst time.
Gerry - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:00 PM EST (#472902) #
One other thing in my head today. People talk about the Dodgers large payroll but then people say hey the Jays were a big spending team too.

Dodgers payroll is $394M. The Jays is $253M. The Dodgers are 55% higher than the Jays. That's not the same. The Dodgers threw three of the top seven earning starting pitchers in the series and in game seven.
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:07 PM EST (#472903) #
Are you counting Ohtani's deferred money?
Glevin - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:10 PM EST (#472904) #
55% more but I think even more when you factor deferred money. Also, Jays were extremely banged up. Bo, Springer both would be on IL in regular season and Santander was out. Dodgers had no injuries to their hitters. All that and Jays still outplayed them. Varsho had awful last two games but not much you can do. He needs to be in lineup and Schneider did drop him. Lukes didn't need to be in lineup though and didn't need to be hitting second.
James W - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:11 PM EST (#472905) #
Speaking of the distance between IKF's foot and home plate, was anyone else extremely unimpressed by the size of IKF's lead at third and lack of secondary lead? If he gets any real secondary lead, he probably scores there.

"They told us to stay close to the base," Kiner-Falefa told reporters. "They don't want us to get doubled off in that situation with a hard line drive. ... They wanted a smaller lead and a smaller secondary, so that's what I did."

So because of what happened in game 6, they got too cautious in game 7, and as a result this is where we're at.
lexomatic - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:13 PM EST (#472906) #
I dont have anything to add, but I'll be curious how Yamamoto's arm holds up. People haven't really pitched like in 100 years.Even for a short time.

Appreciating people mention all the details to second guess i couldnt see listening on the radio (2 games I watched vs Seattle were losses).

Does this increase the chance of Bo coming back as 2B? I still see him leaving if someone offers him a big contract for SS, though I don't think there's a lot of fits.
Petey Baseball - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 12:24 PM EST (#472907) #
Been absent on here since after Labour Day (for obvious reasons, if you're an educator there is a rather large uptick in business post-date) but the run the team went on will have such a positive impact on baseball in this country for the next generation. The phrase "they should have won" is over-used but as many people have stated, the Jays got about as close as you can to winning it all and came up a few inches short.

As in keeping with the theme I have been hammering on this site the last few years; this team will need to keep spending big to make sure this lasts. Losing Bo Bichette would be devastating; he is on a hall of fame track, and still has many great seasons left. They need an ace that they can truly trust to shut any team down; they didn't quite have that this year, and they need a closer...not necessarily better than Hoffman, but less inclined to give up the long ball.

If those things happen in the off-season, with a few tweaks here and there, they are well positioned to do it again and I'll be here for the ride.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:10 PM EST (#472908) #
Thanks for that quote james it's good to have an explanation for that short lead.
SK in NJ - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:21 PM EST (#472909) #
I was too devastated to post after the game. Still devastated now. Being 2 outs, 4 strikes, away from winning a World Series and having it snatched from you is agonizing, especially considering how difficult it is to get this far and how long it took the Jays specifically to get this far. Just making it to the post season is hard for this franchise. Getting back to the World Series and being this close feels like something we may never see again in our lifetimes. Just a lot of bad luck in a series that the Jays probably should have won.

This one will hurt for a while. Great season that we can be proud of as fans, and super proud/heartbroken for the players, but we'll be agonizing over this one for a long time.
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:31 PM EST (#472910) #
I think this team can go right back to the World Series by retaining Bieber and Bo and making additions to their bullpen. The emergence of Clement and Barger is massive to go along with the rise of Vlad and Kirk.
John Northey - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 01:56 PM EST (#472911) #
With Yamamoto I'd look to the last guy to do this - Randy Johnson in 2001. He won the Cy in '01, and this messed him up so bad he only had a 10.7 WAR year the next season (Cy of course), while throwing 260 innings at age 38. Only lasted another 8 seasons with 33 WAR after being pushed in the World Series. Yeah, I figure Yamamoto will be fine.

I think this series ups Bo's value a bit - he was solid at 2B (can't recall anything that got by him that I felt 'Clement would've had it'. If his legs are fine then I see no reason not to sign him long term if a price match can be made. Jays have (in theory) enough to sign Bo & a starter (Bieber probably). Only other thing I'd be after is more pen help and some AAAA depth for the rotation - I suspect our outfielders not named Springer, Barger, Varsho are available in trade (can't imagine anyone touching Santander though). Wonder if Lukes and Schneider are here in 2026. IKF is a guy I'd give a minor league deal to, but not much more than that. He played waaaaaay too much but that was due to Bo being hurt. Straw might have value in the trade market, believe it or not, thanks to his strong defense getting him up to 2.9 bWAR in spite of his 87 OPS+ - at $7.4 mil in '26 and team options for the next 2 years ($1.75 mil buyout) he could be tempting for a bad team needing CF defense to save their pitchers.

It will be an interesting winter. After coming so damn close, and Rogers getting an insane amount of revenue (although they tossed away a lot by having Sportsnet+ go down during the 2nd half of game 7 and being down at times in game 4 too) one has to think a $300 mil payroll is possible now. Also of note: the WBC is in March (5-17th) which is always fun to watch, but has high risk of injuries. Will Canada finally get to round 2 with Freeman, Naylor, and others? We will see.

Interesting that through 5 this WS had higher ratings than all from 2019-2023 with only 2024 beating it (the ideal TV combo of NYY vs LAD). Mix in Canada & Japan and this was the most watched World Series since 2016 (7th game). I figure that had to add at least $100 mil to Rogers bottom line (I'm certain I'm being conservative with that estimate). I can only imagine how nuts the ratings for game 7 were.
85bluejay - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 02:17 PM EST (#472912) #
The Blue Jays have had a wonderful season and electrified their fans, so congratulations - Having said that, let's not sugarcoat game 7, that was a big time choke job, the jays had so many opportunities to win that game and I take issue with several managerial moves - these opportunities don't come around often (unless you are the Dodgers) and when you blow an opportunity like last night it really hurts.
John Northey - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 02:19 PM EST (#472913) #
Questions I suspect Schneider will wonder about - what if he moved Lukes down and Barger up during the WS? Lukes had a horrid 31 wRC+ during the WS, Barger a WOW 243.

WS wRC+ over 100 (111+): Barger, Vlad, Kirk, Bo (all over 160), Springer, Clement, Schneider.
WS wRC+ sub 70: the rest, Varsho 64 was impressive vs the rest - sub 40's all - France, Lukes, Gimenez, then the sub 0 crowd IKF, Heineman, Straw. IKF getting 18 PA was far too many for a guy we all knew couldn't hit (never had a 100 OPS+). Of course, you hit the problem of who else could you play? Well, more use of the Barger to 3B, Clement to 2B, Lukes & Schneider on the corners in the OF would've helped.

Sigh. We could go over this forever, but in the end any number of tiny plays could've changed it all - IKF being told to take a big lead instead of being told to keep a short one last night, Barger not being doubled off in game 6, Hoffman getting a #9 hitter out instead of giving up a homer, etc., etc.

Bottom line is 2025 was the most fun year since 1993. In 2026 we have nearly all the same hitters outside of Bo guaranteed a return if the Jays want them (Bo, France, IKF the free agent hitters). For pitchers we have most key ones, with a full season of Yesavage on its way. Scherzer, Bassitt, Bieber - one of those 3 will probably be back, or a bigger name FA. Dominguez we'll say 'so long' to I'm sure (6 walks in 4 2/3 IP during the WS was a bit much, none intentional). So a return to the playoffs is likely, I wouldn't be shocked with a 100 regular season wins for the first time in Jays history. 104 total wins this year, tied with 1992 for most overall wins in a season. Sigh. Eternally 1 win short.
85bluejay - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 02:22 PM EST (#472914) #
One other thing, I said to our group watching, "ninth inning with a one run lead has been a debate all year long, I have no confidence in Hoffman, I expect him to give up a long ball.
uglyone - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 02:26 PM EST (#472915) #
if Hoffman did what you expected, then it's not actually a choke.
ISLAND BOY - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 02:46 PM EST (#472916) #
Well, on the positive side, like dalimon said, Bargar had a great World Series, batting nearly .500 and playing well defensively. He did make a base running gaffe but coming from being sent down after spring training to being a nearly everyday player in the playoffs was very impressive.

Couple that with Trey Yesavage pitching great and you have two important pieces going forward. As a group, they went through a pile of tough games in the playoffs and won a lot of them and that experience counts for something in the future. It will be interesting to see what players are added in the offseason but finding a reliable closer is a must.
dalimon5 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 03:53 PM EST (#472918) #
"these opportunities don't come around often (unless you are the Dodgers) and when you blow an opportunity like last night it really hurts."

I know it's hard but try to begin thinking like a Toronto baseball fan, it's not the hockey club. More and more are believing the Blue Jays are now like the Dodgers. I am one of them. Big budget, top culture, performance and great core.

vw_fan17 - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 04:00 PM EST (#472920) #
Just for fun - let's say we got good Hoffman last night instead, and he holds it down and we win 4-3 in 9 innings.

Who's your vote for MVP? I think Vlad is probably the right answer, but I'd definitely entertain votes for Ernie Clement - more postseason hits in one postseason than anyone ever, and the most number of multi-hit postseason games. Talk about clutch!

Of course, if someone were to have won it in the 10th with a big HR, that might change the voting..
James W - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 05:03 PM EST (#472922) #
Barger was the World Series MVP up until he wasn't. Previous rounds aren't supposed to matter, just an MVP of this series.
John Northey - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 07:44 PM EST (#472926) #
Agreed James W - Barger hit 480/536/680 in the WS (a best in the WS 243 wRC+). If he gets a hit instead of a walk in the 9th or 11th he'd have been the hero and easy MVP. Sigh. He did great and I look forward to seeing him either at 3B or more likely RF for the next 5+ years here.
John Northey - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 08:11 PM EST (#472928) #
Looking ahead I love the core of Vlad-Barger-Gimenez-Kirk with Clement here through 2028 at least, and hopefully Varsho signed long term this winter (yeah, he K's a lot but has good power and amazing defense, team needs to just accept he is a 7th spot hitter not a 5th). Sadly I expect Lukes and/or Schneider to be traded as there are only so many spots and the likely OF/DH is Santander/Springer-Varsho-Barger in 2026 with a slot for a 4th in Straw while the IF is likely Clement-Gimenez-??-Vlad with the ?? being a 2B (ideally Bo, but could be a Schneider/IKF mix). C is obviously Kirk/Heineman with Brandon Valenzuela as the #3 (guy they traded Wagner for).

Hitting prospects to watch who could help in '26: Yohendrick Pinango (OF), Victor Arias (OF), RJ Schreck (OF), Josh Kasevich (SS), Charles McAdoo (3B), with JoJo Parker (SS) and Arjun Nimmala (SS) both being potential fast risers (could be here in '27 or '28 but '29 more likely).

Pitching is always a crapshoot and can change in an instant (who had Yesavage here before Teidemann? Anyone?). But Tiedemann is likely to crack the majors in '26, as is Gage Stanifer - both could be front of the rotation types like Yesavage. Jake Bloss is on the edge and running low on options. Fernando Perez also one to keep an eye on, as is Johnny King (lower minors but that is no blockage if one shows they can handle it as we saw this year). This club is far better set up than the 20-23 teams were for long term success with these kids. However, the 1993 team looked well set with prospects like Carlos Delgado, Alex Gonzalez (who was ranked higher by BA as a prospect), and Shawn Green plus 2 who flopped but were top 100's then - plus others like Shannon Stewart, Paul Spoljaric (fine reliever), Tim Crabtree (same). That club looked well set and was about to add Roy Halladay in the '95 draft. Yet they flopped and didn't win 90+ until 2015. So yeah, just having good prospects and a solid ML club doesn't guarantee anything. Still, I like how this club looks right now both in pitching and hitting.

If Bassitt is fine signing a swingman deal for around $10 mil I'd resign him (he would start in April, move to the pen once a kid or two is ready, if they are and all others are healthy). I'd chase a #1 guy (Bieber I'd check on now, also look at all other top pitching FA and trade options - if the Tigers really are ready to trade Skubal (1 year of control left, plus cheap owners now) then he is well worth kicking the tires on, same if the Pirates are insane enough to trade Skenes (there are rumors to that effect as odds are he'd reach free agency by the time they contend again). Right now the Jays are one of the biggest on the block budget wise and can/should flex it as the right addition or two and they are back in the playoffs in '26 with a shot at driving us all insane again.
Marlow - Sunday, November 02 2025 @ 09:06 PM EST (#472929) #
Overall, I count this year as a success. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect them to make it to the World Series.

What I do hope is that teams will look at the Blue Jays and think that they should imitate the good defense and contact hitting that was a mark of the the team.
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