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Pitchers are a different breed. They all strive for that perfect balance between power, command, and composure under pressure, all without injuring their arm. In the striving, a good number of them teeter on the edge of sanity. Many others, while sane, are just a little out there. A. J. Burnett is an upstanding member of the pitching fraternity in the latter group, with iconoclast credentials ranging from bats engraved with "Marilyn Manson" to nipple rings. Today we give him the Hall Watch treatment. He's far from a Hall of Famer, but with pitchers one never knows.


Burnett was drafted out of high school by the Mets in the 8th round in 1995. He spent two summers in rookie league in the Mets organization, and was your prototypical young Nuke Laloosh style power pitcher. As Annie said, all over the place. In 1997, he moved up to the New York Penn League where he walked 35 and struck out 48 in 44 innings. He was 20. During the off-season, the Mets traded him to the Marlins in return for Al Leiter. The Marlins moved him up to the Midwest League in 1998, where he blew away the league, striking out 186 in 118 innings, and walking only 45, with a 10-4 record and a 1.97 ERA. The Marlins had him jump from low A to double A in 1999 and he struggled walking 71 in 120 innings, albeit with 121 strikeouts, on his way to a 6-12, 5.52 mark. Notwithstanding his poor season in double A, the Marlins, who were 1 year after their first fire sale, called him up in September and gave him 7 starts. He pitched about as well as the Marlins could have hoped for, going 4-2 with a 3.48 ERA, but the 25 walks in 41 innings signalled that he was not ready. He made 13 mostly unsuccessful starts in the big leagues in 2000, before arriving for good in 2001 at age 24.

Burnett had fairly good seasons in 2001 and 2002, before elbow problems led to Tommy John surgery early in 2003. He was out for just over a year, and returned with solid efforts in the second half of 2004 and in 2005. Arm problems have returned in 2006, and he has made only 2 starts. Burnett throws a 100 mile per hour fastball, along with a knuckle curve. Although he gets many ground balls with the knuckle curve, he has not been effective during his career with runners on base. Opponents steal bases at an almost 80% clip against him, and he has had fewer double plays turned behind him than would be expected. He has a pretty fair slider, and an average change.

So, here he is. He will be 29 and 1/2 on July 3, and at a crossroads in his career. His arm has spoken loud and clear- "you cannot continue as before". And one's body never lies. He is at a perfect age to make changes- to throw the knuckle curve less often and work in more off-speed stuff that's easier on his arm, to work on his delivery from the stretch and holding on runners, and perhaps to see himself a little more as part of a team. To do this, he will have to realize that the marketing and hype surrounding his arrival in Toronto about his power and the speed of his fastball, was just that, marketing and hype. Or he can try to pitch as hard as he can for as long as he can, on the theory that it is better to burn out than to fade. He might have a year or a year and a half of fine pitching left in him if he chooses that route.

Burnett's comparables, according to baseballreference.com, are either depressing or not really comparable at all. In the latter category, we have Walt Terrell, Steve Renko and Don Larsen. In the former, we have Erik Hanson and Jose Guzman. Has there ever been a power pitcher who had modest success in his 20s and emerged from arm troubles to find success in his 30s? John Smoltz was a successful power pitcher who had Tommy John surgery in 2000, and moved successfully to relief for 4 years before returning to the rotation in 2005. Bret Saberhagen had arm troubles in his 20s, but he was really a different breed than Burnett, possessing exceptional control from the time he arrived in the majors at age 20. Most of the pitchers like Burnett- from Sandy Koufax to Dizzy Dean to Don Newcombe- burned out fast in their early 30s. The leading practitioner of the knuckle-curve, Burt Hooton, had his last good year at age 31.

My guess is that Burnett is going to go full blazes for the rest of 2006 and 2007. It fits with the team's needs and his personality. Heck, his name even suggests it. Rust never sleeps.
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Ryan Day - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 09:17 AM EDT (#149298) #

Marty York also had a lot to say about Burnett today.  At least, he has a lot to say about things anonymous people are apparently saying about Burnett.

  Also, he says "chaps" several times, which is kind of weird.

Paul D - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 09:25 AM EDT (#149301) #
Remember when Marty York used to seem like a top journalist?

I don't know if he upset the wrong people, or if editors just figured out that he can't write and isn't very reliable, but it's weird to see him on the fringes of the Toronto sports scene now.

Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 09:25 AM EDT (#149302) #
Oh, and losing three in a row in June isn't "choking", Marty.  We're three months from the stretch drive here!
Magpie - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#149308) #
Has there ever been a power pitcher who had modest success in his 20s and emerged from arm troubles to find success in his 30s?

You're looking for someone a little more recent than Dazzy Vance, I would guess...
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#149310) #
It's true.  I thought briefly of Dazzy Vance, but didn't know about his elbow injury, caused by a secretion gland malfunction. In those days, great players could remain in the minor leagues for long periods until they were sold.  I wonder how much Vance pitched between 1918 and 1921.

mathesond - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#149314) #
I'm pretty sure it was Millie, not Annie, who referred to Laloosh as being "all over the place"
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#149316) #
This is what happens when you own "Eight Men Out" and not "Bull Durham"; even though I've seen Bull Durham at least three times, I forget... Mothers and fathers, don't let this happen to your children!
js_magloire - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#149317) #
Didn't Cris Carpenter have Tommy John Surgery and then win the Cy Young Award at age 31?

While Burnett's ligament is mostly fine, he seems to be one of those individuals that will have scar tissue problems, which all may lead to is occasional 1 month stints on the DL.

But then again, there are guys like Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, and Eric Gagne, who all find their way onto the DL most of the time.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#149319) #
There was a Cris Carpenter, and he was a different pitcher from Chris Carpenter altogether.  Chris Carpenter had surgery in 2002 for a torn labrum, although he has had also biceps and elbow problems.  Here's an interesting analysis of his delivery. There is little question that pitchers have been able to pitch through arm pain for a year or two. 
Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#149322) #

Al Leiter.  Jeff Fassero, I think (he didn't have surgery that I know of, but I remember he did have problems of some kind).  Juan Berenguer.  Rick Aguilera. 

Dave Till - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#149326) #
Meh. If Burnett had attempted to pitch through his injury and had gotten more seriously injured, Marty York would have been all over the Jays like a cheap suit.

At this point, I'd say that the Jays and Burnett have done the right thing. The Jays are 3 1/2 games out, which is a meaningless difference at this point in the season, and Burnett looks like he's at full strength.



Mike Green - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#149333) #
Leiter apparently did have some arm troubles as a teenager, but his delivery was re-made and most of his early career was spent battling blisters.  Aguilera had elbow problems, and like Rivera was converted to relief early.  I wasn't aware of Berenguer's arm problems, but he too was made into a reliever. 

I missed the story of Fassero's minor league career. If there was an injury in there, it doesn't look like it caused him to miss significant time.  I don't know when he developed the good forkball, but I'd guess that it was in 1990, from the improvement in his K rate.

greenfrog - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#149335) #
I think we need to see AJ for a couple of months to know what we've got. It may take him some time to find his rhythm.

We may be only 3.5 games back, but what really matters is the next few months. At the moment the Jays are a flawed team. We really aren't going anywhere unless our pitching staff gets it together.


Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#149336) #
Leiter had elbow problems in 1989 and subsequently. 
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#149340) #
Orel Hershiser is not a bad example.  He blew out his arm in 1989, and did come back to pitch for many years in his 30s, albeit at a much reduced level.
R Billie - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#149345) #

Well if the Jays are peeved at Burnett they should be peeved at themselves.  I was all for going after him but the contract they ended up paying out, $11 million plus for 5 years was quite simply ridiculous.  That's a stone's throw from what Pedro Martinez got and Burnett has not been nor ever will be at Pedro's level.  Hopefully he will be at Kelvim Escobar's level, another pitcher with a questionable power arm whom the Jays could have kept for a lot less than what they gave Burnett.

But it's done and now you have to hope you can use him for a long time.  His stuff certainly seems to be there so hopefully he knows enough to throw 85-90% to get ahead of batters to start with before letting lose with out pitches.

Ron - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#149349) #
AJ's contract looks awful right now but it's still early. If he can stay healthy and put up similar numbers to what he did last season (minus the stretch drive when he flamed out) the Jays should be pleased.

It will be interesting to see what kind of impact AJ has on the FA pitchers this off-season. I have to believe Zito's agent will bring up AJ's contract. If AJ can get 5yrs/55mil there's no reason to believe a better pitcher like Zito can't get 5yrs/65 mil.



VBF - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#149350) #

Marty York has a really cheap way of painting a picture about someone. He rips Burnett for not willing to pitch through the pain and suggests that this trip to the DL was meaningless because doctors say his arm is fine. This is the same Marty York that uses "LOL" and "OMG" in his columns.

Apart from the fact that he actually did sprain a part of his arm, I would much rather have a pitcher who reported every injury and pain to the training staff immedately as supposed to someone who kept it quiet and pitched injured. Burnett, took the appropriate course of action and the honest route and rightfully reported his pain, knowing that if something was terribly wrong, insurance claims and other such things could occur.

Forming an opinion on AJ Burnett from any media sources will be tainted. The Jays have made AJ very inaccessible to the media, but not necessarily by fault of AJ himself. As a result, there has been something of a vendetta against Burnett.

Named For Hank - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#149358) #
I was all for going after him but the contract they ended up paying out, $11 million plus for 5 years was quite simply ridiculous.  That's a stone's throw from what Pedro Martinez got and Burnett has not been nor ever will be at Pedro's level.

Why are people obsessed with these dollar comparisons that simply do not apply?  Was Pedro Martinez a free agent in the winter of '05-'06?  If not, whatever deal he got in the past, under different circumstances, does not make a whit of difference to what it costs to sign someone else, today.

The only thing that determined how much money AJ Burnett got from the Jays is what other teams wanted to pay for him.  Their options were 1) no AJ Burnett or 2) AJ Burnett for this much money.

There was no option C) tell AJ that Pedro Martinez makes nearly this much and he'll have to sign for less.  Okay, sure, it's an option -- but it's not an option that AJ and his agent are going to say "Duh, okay!" to.

If half a season of AJ Burnett makes any difference to the team's fortunes, the deal will be a good one -- the team did not miss out on any other free agents because of a lack of funds.  Comparing what someone else paid for another player a few years ago is just a meaningless exercise in woe-is-us-ery.
jjdynomite - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#149361) #
I agree that the comparison with Pedro doesn't work given the changing market value of different off-seasons.

However, the statement that "the team did not miss out on any other free agents because of a lack of funds" obscures option D) If AJ signed with, say, the Cards, the Jays would have a budgeted 10+ million sitting there to offer another free agent starter who would hopefully be doing better than 0-1, 6.30 ERA in 10 innings pitched by June 22.

Speaking of 10s, the Jays would be in 1st place right now with this old curmudgeon in the rotation for "only" 16 million over 2 years.  Of course, since NFH spends a lot of time in the press box amongst TV cameramen, this would probably not be his first choice.  ;-)
js_magloire - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#149362) #
Was Pedro Martinez a free agent in the winter of '05-'06?  If not, whatever deal he got in the past, under different circumstances, does not make a whit of difference to what it costs to sign someone else, today.

If the Jays intend to maintain a payroll of about $80 million  per year over the next five years, then having a guy who takes up 1/8th of your payroll for just 1 position out of 25, you hope that he does well. However, the free agent crop this year was thin, and I've looked ahead to next year and it seems like it will be very barren then too. Espcially because of all the long-term contracts handed out over the years.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#149363) #
However, the statement that "the team did not miss out on any other free agents because of a lack of funds" obscures option D) If AJ signed with, say, the Cards, the Jays would have a budgeted 10+ million sitting there to offer another free agent starter who would hopefully be doing better than 0-1, 6.30 ERA in 10 innings pitched by June 22.

Who was available that the Jays wanted?

Kenny Rogers... somehow, he just keeps on tickin'.  Yeah, I plan to not photograph batting practice any time Texas is in town.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#149368) #
Al Leiter's famous blisters were really the sideshow that overshadowed shoulder and elbow problems. He hurt the shoulder first, in April 1989 (he threw  more than 160 pitches on a cold wet April night in New York) just before he was traded to Toronto. It cost him the rest of 1989 and delayed his 1990 -  which was the year when the blisters were bothering him. He also couldn't find the strike zone with a GPS. Then in the spring of 1991, he made the Jays out of spring training, but had hurt his elbow in the process. And, alas, he pulled a Cliff Politte-Chris Carpenter, tried to pitch through it, and made it worse.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#149371) #
Apparently, Leiter threw 171 pitches that day in 1989.

It's funny though.  In all his days in Toronto, I don't recall a single mention of shoulder and elbow problems in the newspaper.



King Ryan - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#149377) #
I don't understand why so many fans believe that all necessary signings needed to be made last off-season.  As if stashing some money away for this coming offseason was such a dumb idea.

Signing AJ Burnett to a 5 year contract, now that's a dumb idea.

Named For Hank - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#149378) #
Ryan, why do you feel it's so important that the third most profitable team in baseball (or whatever they were in that Forbes report) stash away funds for the future when all signs point to increased revenues?  Why not spend now and spend later?  Why are you so convinced that the money will suddenly dry up?
R Billie - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#149379) #

Was Pedro Martinez a free agent in the winter of '05-'06?  If not, whatever deal he got in the past, under different circumstances, does not make a whit of difference to what it costs to sign someone else, today.

While this is fine to say in theory, in practice the fact remains that the Jays paid out a contract worthy of a very accomplished ace level pitcher for a pitcher who profiles very similar to Kelvim Escobar statistically.  I know they're the home town team and to a certain extent you have to be glad that they were able to draw players like Burnett but lets not delude ourselves by thinking they paid a fair market price.  It was a thin free agent market and they bought EXTREMELY high on both Burnett and Ryan.  We can sit here an hope Burnett does something in the second half but then you still have his contract hanging around for another 4 years after this one and everyone else keeps getting more expensive in the mean time.

I'm not going to be a hypocrit and say it was a mistake to sign Burnett.  But the Jays should similarly not grumble at a player not earning his money when they decided themselves to pay out a potential albatross for a pitcher with a history of arm troubles and limited accomplishments.  This was also a team that seemed to expect Josh Towers to repeat his career year so their expectations have not always been in line with reality.  If it weren't for Rios, Johnson, and Hillenbrand smoking the ball for the first two and a half months of the season this team would be thinking about selling a lot of players right about now.

If Towers and Burnett and some combo of Chacin, Janssen, Taubenheim, and McGowan can't pitch decently from here on, the Jays are going to get a very cold dose of reality when these standout offensive performances start regressing to the mean.

Named For Hank - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#149381) #
I know they're the home town team and to a certain extent you have to be glad that they were able to draw players like Burnett but lets not delude ourselves by thinking they paid a fair market price.

I see.  So what were the other teams offering?  Why did the Jays have to offer so very much more that it was above "market price"?  Why couldn't they offer just a little more?

They paid what they had to pay to land the player.  There was not an option to pay less -- only an option to not get the player at all.  And isn't market price determined by the market, anyways?  Which would indicate that the Toronto Blue Jays, the team that signed AJ Burnett, paid exactly market price.  No one else signed AJ Burnett for any different sum of money this off-season, right?

While this is fine to say in theory, in practice the fact remains that the Jays paid out a contract worthy of a very accomplished ace level pitcher for a pitcher who profiles very similar to Kelvim Escobar statistically.

What did very accomplished ace level pitchers fetch on the free agent market this off-season?
King Ryan - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#149382) #
Say somehow next year a real top-of-the-line starter becomes available.  I don't know how, but it happens.  Say Johan Santana is available.  Wouldn't you be more comfortable about our chances of landing him had the Jays not wasted Pedro money on a guy who is 30 years old and has never been an ace? 

It's not that I expect the money to "dry up," but I don't know how much you can expect the Jays' payroll to keep rising, either.  It sure seems to me like the Jays tried to put all their eggs in one basket.  I don't know how much the Jays will have to spend this off-season, but it would sure make me sad if a bonafide superstar became available, and the Jays were not in the hunt because of AJ Burnett. 

All I'm really saying is that if AJ Burnett is the best player available, and he's asking for ace-money, then you should wait until next year.  Better to give 14M to an awesome pitcher in 2007 than to blow it all on Burnett just because he's the best available.  I mean, if you had $15,000 to spend on a camera, and the best camera available was a Kodak EasyShare, would you drop it all there? I suspect you would wait.

I've been saying all this since before AJ was signed, just for the record.

JayWay - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#149383) #

But Santana isn't available. And even if he was, how do you know he won't be re-upped before he becomes unrestricted?

Of course, you could say, "just wait another year." But by that time maybe Wells has jumped ship. So regardless of pitching you don't have the star offensive gem to compliment whatever pitching help you bring in. Fast forward and Doc is two years older; maybe he's not the pitcher he once was. You just don't know. But Wells is here now. And Doc is still in his prime. JP could have waited, but there's no guarentee that he would get his man. And if he did, there's no guarantee that everything would be in place like it is now to really get the most value out of that signing.

Named For Hank - Tuesday, June 20 2006 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#149384) #
I mean, if you had $15,000 to spend on a camera, and the best camera available was a Kodak EasyShare, would you drop it all there? I suspect you would wait.

If I had the $15,000 and needed the camera to do the job, I would be foolish to save my money and lose the gig.  Especially when the gig pays far more than the overpriced camera.

To answer your question, I really don't think that if a genuine ace becomes available and is willing to come to Toronto that it won't pan out because of money, especially if the Jays are really close this year but don't make the playoffs (or don't make it far into the playoffs).  Playoff gate and TV money is a lot of money.

If you want the best player available, you have to pay.  That's baseball free agency, like it or hate it.  Personally, I think that Burnett makes a ludicrous amount of money.  But so what?  It's not my money, at least not more than a couple hundred bucks of it.  I would rather see an incrimental improvement to the team than money in the bank -- and unless Burnett really flames out when he finally returns, we should see at least an incremental improvement.
John Northey - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 12:02 AM EDT (#149385) #
One big thing to remember with the Jays is they in many respects have the largest potential tv audience of any team. 

There is one network that shows baseball, Sportsnet.  It is owned by the Blue Jays.  They have 30 million potential viewers who only get other teams on-air if the Jays owners decide to allow it.  There is a pocket of Seattle fans in the west, a few Tiger fans south of London, some Boston and NY fans on the east coast but nothing compared to the baseball competition faced by all American teams.  Even the Yankees don't have anywhere near that big of a captive audience available.  Yes, many are hockey fans but in the states you hit football fans who are just as fanatic and uninterested in baseball.  IMO there is no reason (especially with the rising dollar) for the Jays not to be one of the highest payroll teams if they choose to.  Not to mention the 4 million people living in the GTA (expected to grow by up to 50% over the next 20 years) plus Buffalo being within driving distance and the history that shows you can get 4 million butts in the seats.

In theory they could afford another 2 AJ's without Rogers losing money when all things are factored in.  Thus chasing Willis if Florida trades him should be do-able.  If Santana suddenly is available the same is true too.  Or they could sign Wells long term and still have room for one of those two aces.  If teams outside of NY and Boston can have $100 million payrolls then the Jays certain should have the potential to afford it as well.  Remember, they do get over $30 million US in US national tv rights plus many more millions from other shared sources (the internet, merchandising, etc.) before factoring in what they tv revenue truly is for Rogers (which will never fully show up on the Jays books but certainly is factored in when budgeting for the season).  Godfrey is also great at convincing Bud that the Jays are 'small market' so far so they should avoid paying into the revenue sharing pool for a year or two even after fans start coming back in large numbers (ie: 3 million plus at the gate). 

Don't worry about the Jays budget.  Just hope Rogers doesn't go cheap again.
Magpie - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#149388) #
Say somehow next year a real top-of-the-line starter becomes available.

He won't be named Santana, I can promise you that.

You're saying pass on an opportunity to try to improve the team and hope that a better opportunity shows up down the road. Fine, but you simply can't count on that happening. All you can do is hope. You can't take control of your destiny.

You can hope that Barry Zito and Mark Mulder decide to enter the FA market. Along with Ted Lilly. Because they're all that's going to be out there. If they're going to be out there.

And if they don't...then what?



King Ryan - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#149389) #
Trades, anyone?
js_magloire - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 12:35 AM EDT (#149390) #
Interestingly, look at a whole bunch of the other FA starting pitchers who signed this year:

Jarod Washburn: 4 yr/$38 mil
4-8, 4.66 ERA

Roger Clemens: $22 mil
?

Jeff Weaver: 1 yr/ $8 mil
3-9, 6.02 ERA

Kevin Millwood: 5 yr/ 60 mil
8-3, 4.47 ERA

Matt Morris: 3 yr/ $27 mil
4-7, 4.81 ERA

Paul Byrd: 2 yr/ $14.25 mil
5-5, 4.78 ERA

Kenny Rogers: 2 yr/ 16 mil
10-3, 3.17 ERA (best move made)

Looking at the mediocrity of FA pitchers, it almost seems that, with all the hot-shot young rookies (verlander, Cole Hamels, Josh Johnson, Jered Weaver, etc.) is the way to go.



Fawaz - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 01:04 AM EDT (#149392) #

I don't have a real feel for whether Burnett was a good signing or not. The numbers are staggering, but given the alternatives (and the fact that I'm one of those fans that rather enjoy shiny baseball trinkets, so a 100 mph fastball amuses me greatly), I can't say that there was a better course of action at the time. Given that Paul Godfrey has said Rogers is going to pony up if the team looks close, the money is not as great of a concern as it could be. Trades? OK, but then you'd better be ready to "overpay" with other non-cash assets (prospects from an already talent-dry farm system and/or bats) that can be even more difficult to part with than money for players on the trading block for their own "flaws" (imminent free-agency or bloated salaries among them) that may just prove to be the best of a weak crop anyway. The type of player, by the way, that Burnett may be in a couple of years; the type that teams pick up for stretch runs and return value for.
China fan - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 01:43 AM EDT (#149393) #

     Before we totally reject the Marty York report about Burnett's weirdness, let's keep in mind that Jeff Blair made the same point in several earlier blogs this season.  I think it's clear that both of them are getting this stuff from Blue Jay insiders.  So here's the true significance of these reports:  there are Blue Jay insiders who suspect that Burnett is a bit of a head case -- an eccentric who over-reacts to injuries, who rejects the medical opinions of Blue Jay doctors, who is unreliable and unpredictable.   They might be wrong, but I think they are whispering it to some journalists.  The Jays may have scouted every game that Burnett pitched last year, they may have concluded that he is physically sound, but now they are having doubts about the mental side of his game.  I don't think that Marty York and Jeff Blair are inventing this from thin air.  They're getting this from people who are very close to the team -- probably from team officials or maybe even from JP himself.   And there is also some verification from what we already know about Burnett: his blow-up with Florida at the end of last season, his refusal to talk to reporters (on most days), etc.   Maybe the Jays are leaking this stuff to the media to put pressure on Burnett to get his head together and start getting serious about performing consistently.   And maybe it will work -- maybe Burnett will get the message that he's got to start producing.  But there's something going on here.  Blair and York are detecting something.  Where there's smoke, there's fire.  Personally, I'm still very optimistic about Burnett, and I think he still has the potential to help the Jays win a pennant, but I don't think we should completely reject these reports about his eccentricity and unpredictability.

 

Named For Hank - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 09:42 AM EDT (#149402) #
Trades, anyone?

Okay, sure.  What top-tier pitchers were traded this off-season?  Sure, that's not an indicator of everyone who was available, but it's a good indicator of most of who was available.  Especially, which ones were traded for prospects?
Named For Hank - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#149404) #
I think it's clear that both of them are getting this stuff from Blue Jay insiders.  So here's the true significance of these reports:  there are Blue Jay insiders who suspect that Burnett is a bit of a head case -- an eccentric who over-reacts to injuries, who rejects the medical opinions of Blue Jay doctors, who is unreliable and unpredictable.   They might be wrong, but I think they are whispering it to some journalists.

Blair noted the name of the chiropractor Burnett was seeing about the scar tissue, and the guy is an ART specialist.  ART is one of the most painful things you can have done to scar tissue, but tends to solve the problem.

I had it done on a buildup of scar tissue in the arch of my foot, and having ART done was easily the most painful experience of my entire life.  But it was exceptionally effective, and along with a specific program designed to not allow the scar tissue to rebuild, the problem has not returned in the last five years.

Basically, what I'm saying here is that A.J. Burnett has gone in for the most painful treatment possible to alleviate this problem he's having.  If he's gingerly over-reacting to his injury, it's not because of the pain, it's because of concern for his ongoing career.
Craig B - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#149407) #

Someone, I think Mike Green, said wisely the other day that the body never lies.  It also only speaks a private language. 

All we have to go on is A.J. Burnett's word; like giving the ball to your closer with a one-run lead, you have to trust him in this situation, or you may as well pack up and go home.

Bruce Wrigley - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#149412) #

What top-tier pitchers were traded this off-season?

Of the top 10 pitchers in either wins or ERA last season, in either league, 34 pitchers in all, the following pitchers changed teams in the offseason:

  1. Kevin Millwood
  2. Kenny Rogers
  3. Jarrod Washburn
  4. Josh Beckett

That's not all the top-tier starters; there are probably another 20 guys who are considered a #1 or #2 starter, including A.J. Burnett and Roy Halladay for example (neither of whom were on that list).  There are also some guys on those lists like Rodrigo Lopez who clearly aren't "top-tier".  But that list illustrates the problem... one of those starters was traded for prospects, Beckett.  The others were free agent signings.

China fan - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#149415) #
  I think the point is not whether or not they regret signing Burnett.  As you correctly point out, I'm sure that JP and the top guys do not regret the signing.  The point is that they have concerns (now) about his character, his unpredictability, etc.   So even if he eventually helps the team, even if they don't regret the signing, his character and mental attitude are a concern that warrants monitoring in the future.  I'm starting to wonder if Burnett is going to turn into a slightly better version of Ted the Tease:  he's got great stuff, but nobody can predict when it will be on or off.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 10:38 AM EDT (#149417) #

  There were plenty of stories about Burnett being a headcase and a flake before the Jays signed him; his old team sent him home a week early because they didn't want him around, after all.  As I recall, the Jays brushed most of them off and suggested that Brad Arnsberg was the cure to all of A.J.'s woes, both in his head and in his arm.

  It seems a bit late to start complaining about things people were talking about all last season.

VBF - Wednesday, June 21 2006 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#149485) #

Only AJ Burnett and the rest of the 2005 Marlins can tell you what kind of clubhouse was run there, and we have some idea of the type of clubhouse McKeon ran. It takes two to tango.

There have been a couple incidents in the past regarding AJ Burnett and Media Relations which would definitely explain a sour taste in the mouths of reporters. The first occured after the second injury against Boston when reporters were told by Jay Stenhouse to stand outside the clubhouse and that they could interview AJ after a team meeting. By the time the doors were opened, AJ was gone and his locker was cleaned out for the roadtrip. Picture a group of 10 reporters waiting inside the warm, dungeon-like area under the stands (if you've been there you know what I mean). This was a story msde public in the Toronto Star several weeks ago.

AJ Burnett has also ignored requests for interviews from Wilner and Blair and has really cut himself apart from the media. I can't even remember the last time he was interviewed, so I imagine the media isn't very happy about his lack of availability. And when the media doesn't like something, they tend to write articles with a bit of a bone to pick. Blair's a fine writer but by all indications, Burnett is making their job very difficult to do.

And this isn't an attitude problem as much as it may just be someone's preference--maybe he just doesn't want to talk. I don't see anything wrong with that. AJ appears to be getting along well with his teammates, coming back to Toronto between rehab starts and taking the same transportation on roadtrips. I think the media just needs to get over the fact that he isn't going to be some photogenic interview-wonder. I guess kind of like a modern day Jack Morris.

ken_warren - Thursday, June 22 2006 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#149604) #
If half a season of AJ Burnett makes any difference to the team's fortunes, the deal will be a good one -- the team did not miss out on any other free agents because of a lack of funds.  Comparing what someone else paid for another player a few years ago is just a meaningless exercise in woe-is-us-ery.


If the Jays didn't land Burnett, they might well have signed B. Giles or made deals to get Wilkerson or Mench.  Heck they might have even traded Rios.  So if this signing  has no value other than putting the Jays in a position where they couldn't financially afford to deal Rios for a higher priced inferior outfielder it is still a good signing.
Named For Hank - Thursday, June 22 2006 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#149605) #
Well, I think in the end Giles just didn't want to come to Toronto.  But yeah, let's be thankful about the other two.
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