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The heart of the White Sox lineup is a patient, powerful animal.

Even against the ultra-efficient Roy Halladay, it was business as usual for Thome, Konerko and Dye yesterday, as they combined to go 7-12 with three walks, milking the good Doctor for 50 pitches in 11 plate appearances. Dye struggled, going 1-5 with a mere RBI single and stranding a combined 8 runners with his four outs. But he was picked up in the fifth by A.J. Pierzynski, who jacked a three-run opposite-field homer to put the South Siders ahead 5-3. They didn't let that lead go, as Brandon McCarthy and Bobby Jenks closed out a 6-4 victory.

Starter Jon Garland kept his team in the game and picked up his 12th win of the year. He hasn't lost since June 8.

Despite ten Toronto hits, only five Jays actually batted four times. A caught stealing and four double plays will do that to you. The gorilla on the Jays' collective metaphorical back is starting to get comfortable.

Boxscore: Put it on the boooard...

Star of the Game: Troy Glaus homered in the first and last innings to account for all four Toronto runs.

Unsung Hero: Doc left Thome and Konerko on second and first with nobody out in the seventh, but Jeremy Accardo induced a double-play grounder from Dye and whiffed Pierzynski on a changeup to get out of the jam. He then pitched a scoreless eighth just for kicks.

For the White Sox: How about Scott Podsednik. With the Chisox down 3-0 in the third, Podsednik bunted for a hit, stole second and scored on a Thome double. In the fourth, Podsednik drove in Pierzynski on a double of his own, lining an 0-2 pitch just out of the reach of Alex Rios to cut the Jays' lead to 3-2.

Elsewhere: The A's beat Seattle 5-2 behind Barry Zito. Oakland has now beaten the Mariners 10 times in a row, and they've won five of six and seven of nine. Dan Haren goes today. Yup, it's that time of the year again...

Today: Surprise! Francisco Rosario starts. He'll face Javier Vazquez at 4:07. Dustin McGowan remains on the 25-man roster. He warmed up in the bullpen briefly last night.

And since the focus of some of the most interesting Jays talk has moved on to 2007, here's a very premature prediction semi-contest. I'd be curious to see what kind of production Bauxites think the Blue Jays have under their control for next year, barring catastrophic injury of course.

What offensive contributions can reasonably be expected from the following players in 2007, assuming full health and the given usage patterns?

- Reed Johnson starting 150 games as a full-time leftfielder
- Aaron Hill starting 150 games as a full-time second baseman or shortstop (either but not both)
- Eric Hinske starting 130 games as a near-full-time DH, sitting out a majority of games against lefties and starting 30 times in the outfield

As full-time starters, do any of those players constitute a liability significant enough to justify actively looking elsewhere for an offseason upgrade?
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greenfrog - Saturday, August 05 2006 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#152453) #
I'd like to see Hill at 2B, where he's above average defensively. Which would mean we need a solid SS.

Reed is a tough call. His numbers this year (.351/.429/.526) have probably earned him a shot at starting in LF. I suspect he'll end up closer to his career line (.290/.351/.426) over the next few years. Still, if he can split the difference, he'd be a great starting leftfielder -- a testament to just how great a season he's having.

I think the Jays could do worse than platooning Hinske at DH and giving him the occasional start in RF. He's useful injury insurance at 3B, although he isn't very good defensively there. We still don't know which Hinske is going to step up in 2007, though.

The trouble, of course, is the level of competition in the AL. For example, the competition is going to field DHs like Ortiz, Giambi, Thome. So Hinske, while he might be solid, doesn't really stack up. Still, you've got to allocate your resources as best you can. Wells is obviously where we have a strategic advantage--he's better than everyone else's CF. If we lose him, then we'll need to make up for it in other areas.

 




Pepper Moffatt - Saturday, August 05 2006 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#152457) #
I think there's an even better case scenario than that - the Jays raise their 2007 payroll.  I'd be shocked if they left it at $75 mil.

Pepper Moffatt - Saturday, August 05 2006 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#152479) #
I wouldn't be so sure about a 3rd place finish with $75 mil.  There's a good chance they could do worse.  Depends how Tampa's kids develop and if they get any pitching in the off-season.
Lefty - Saturday, August 05 2006 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#152480) #

How to Disappear Completely?

Just go through the motions.

VBF - Sunday, August 06 2006 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#152486) #

Unfortunately, we'd need a Catcher, a Shortstop, an entire Bench minus J-Mac, 3rd and 4th starters

  • Catcher: Gregg Zaun,  2 million
  • Shortstop: John McDonald, 700k
  • Bench: Adams/Roberts, JFG, some other guy, 1 million
  • Starters: Vincente Padilla, 5 million

I don't really get what all the fuss is about with the shortstop position. The A's have a crappy ninth spot guy, the Angels have a few, the Yankees have done it all season long, the White Sox are giving Brian Anderson a starting job, Xavier Nady was starting for the Mets and so on, and so on...Besides, if you MUST bring in a shortstop, there's 12 pitchers demanding they have Johnny Mac's D. It's a tall order.

Zaun has to be part of the team next year. He's a capable starter and he switch hits.

I'd focus attention on signing a Vincente Padilla type starter. Good solid pitcher quietly putting together a stellar season in a hitter's park. His number one current comparable is A.J. Burnett. I'm not sure what that means :) JP's had interest in Armas, who might be easier to sign considering that he's played in Canada previously, if players are still fickle about the Canada thing (which they aren't).

Mudie - Sunday, August 06 2006 @ 01:37 AM EDT (#152488) #

Your 2007 Toronto Blue Jays

 C Gregg Zaun         $1.75

1B Lyle Overbay       $4.5M

2B Aaron Hill            $.35M

3B Troy Glaus          $10.75M

SS John McDonald   $.75M

LF Eric Hinske          $5.626M

LF Reed Johnson      $3M

CF Vernon Wells       $5.6M

RF Alex Rios           $5M

 

 C Jason Phillips      $.55M

IF Russ Adams         $.35M

IF Ryan Roberts        $.35M

OF Wayne Lydon       $.35M

 

SP Roy Halladay        $12.8M

SP A.J. Burnett          $12M

SP Gustavo Chacin     $.35M

SP Shaun Marcum      $.35M

SP Casey Janssen     $.35M

 

CL B.J. Ryan             $5M+4M (Signing Bonus)

RP Brandon League     $.35M

RP Jason Frasor         $.35M

RP Scott Downs         $.95M

RP Jeremy Accardo     $.35M

RP Ty Taubenheim      $.35M

RP Francisco Rosario $.35M

                Total $76.476M

From top to bottom; Zaunie is making $1M in this a club option year his offence warrants raise but his defense is no great shakes an addional 750K should do it. As for Lyle I had know real idea how much he was worth, so baseball-reference said "Nick Johnson" to me and he will make $5.5M so $4.5M seems fair. Johnny Mac who made $500K last year and thusly should gladly accept $750K and the starting job. Oh "Sparky", I have no clue and almost left his projected salary blank, Who knows what an arbitrator will award, and also I wouldn't be surprised to wake up on a December morn' and find he signed a long-term deal. I would expect a Wells/Hinske type deal for Rios one great does not warrant an eight figure deal. Phillips should be back at the same price as this year and Scott Downs who made $705,000 this year is due for a raise. After all that we still do need two starting pitchers and could use a bench upgrade in the form of a good righty bat who could DH/1B vs. lefties, but there is no room for anything (according to Rogers/J.P.'s/Godfery's "well" planed financial structure of the team’s payroll)

Salary info from Cot's Baseball Contracts

AWeb - Sunday, August 06 2006 @ 02:54 AM EDT (#152489) #
I would assume that future payroll increases, to a large extent, depend on actually getting more people to attend the games. An extra 2,000 per game so far this year is probably not what the management hoped for, and now that the team is out of it, attendance could drop off. Toronto drew about 2 million last year, and while it's unlikely we'll see another 4 million year any time soon, an increase to 2.5 million (about ML average) would have provided a lot of extra cash. I'm sure others might know more precisely, but what would an extra 500,000 people be worth, maybe $15-20 each? There's the 8-10 million for another quality starter, or half of a Wells extension. They have been quite profitable at the current level (the stadium deal was almost unbelievably sweet for them), but they will want to maintain that, not spend the profit margin. Will the owners keep spending money on the assumption that they continue the attendance growth of the last 4 years?
Andrew K - Sunday, August 06 2006 @ 04:57 AM EDT (#152493) #

Mudie, good numbers but I doubt that Lyle or Reed will get quite that much of a raise, and I'm certain that Rios won't make $5M in his first year of arb. More like half that. The number of years ML experience is a big factor in arb awards.

Having said that, you didn't include

Josh Towers     $2.9M

Corey Koskie    $3.75M

None of these salary figures were not predictable at the start of the season, so who knows what JP and Godfrey were playing at.

Mike Green - Sunday, August 06 2006 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#152510) #
In answer to Alex' question, I'd project Reed Johnson at his career line to date for 2007 and Hinske just a smidge above his career line.  The reasoning: Johnson seems to have made real improvements in a number of areas of his game.  What he loses from facing more righthanders, he gains from his improvement.  Hinske gains marginally from facing somewhat fewer lefthanders than he has faced over his career.  These ones are fairly straightforward due to age and career pattern.

Aaron Hill is the more speculative one.  PECOTA had him projected for 2006 as a below average offensive player.  I disagreed strongly with that one.  I see him as Charlie Gehringer lite.  At age 25, Gehringer began to develop a little more power.  I'll mark Hill down for .305/.365/.430 next year, with further improvements to come. I am expecting to see a harbinger of this developing power any time soon.  His HR/fly rate is under 2%.  I think that this is the result of his adaptation to the Show, and that now he has established his ability to hit major league pitching, the power will come.  He doesn't have the physique of Neifi Perez.

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