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Greetings from the Rogers Centre, where Vernon Wells and Troy Glaus are sitting this one out and Howie Clark is the leadoff hitter.


I was  updating next week's  rotations for today's teams. The White Sox play the Yankees next, and when I brought up the screen of possible Yankees pitchers, I saw the following name:

Walker, Pete

Anyone heard anything about this?

After two very well pitched games, we're probably due for a 12-11 affair. After all, the last time I was here  was the longest nine-inning game the Jays have played all year (3:32, to be precise.) Nevertheless, I don't really expect McGowan and Contreras to cooperate. Not both of them, anyway.

Does anyone want to make fun of the Cubs?

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CaramonLS - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#169137) #
Well, wouldn't you lead off a guy with a .600 OBP?

I mean duh, no brainer here.

Chuck - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#169138) #

Anyone heard anything about this?

There was a wires item about the Yankees signing Walker about two weeks ago. I linked to it at the time, stating that if the situation in NY ever got so bad that Walker had to pitch for them, that Jays' fans could cheer him on without reservation.

Fresh off another disappointing Thomas at-bat (in the 5th inning), I can't understand why the strategy would be to pitch him inside. Those appear to be the only balls that he can hit these days. Anything on the outer half of the plate gets lofted lazily into right field, with Thomas only able to awkwardly lunge at those pitches. Right now, Thomas and Wells are just killing this team. And Glaus becoming a part-time player isn't helping matters much either. How much lower can this offense sink?

Chuck - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#169139) #

Does anyone want to make fun of the Cubs?

You mean how a team with nine corner outfielders and no centerfielder can't catch the ball? How a pitcher looking at Zito money has imploded so badly in his contract year that he's punching his own teammates? That the predictably apopleptic Piniella is on his moral horse about locker room fisticuffs (of all things!)?

Death, taxes... and the Cubs.

CeeBee - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#169140) #

"Well, wouldn't you lead off a guy with a .600 OBP?"

And getting on base 2 out of 5 times lowered his OBP. Still rather have Clark on the bench or filling in than a zillion pitchers who rarely seem to be needed these days.

scottt - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#169141) #
I only saw the last 3 innings as I was with a my son at a senior tournament.

I didn't see much to complain about. Wells finally came through in the clutch. Rios won the game with a double and then had a three-run homer to put it out of reach in the next inning.  Janssen recorded a well earned save.

I don't think Clark ever scored. 

I'd complain about Thomas if he wasn't walking so much. We just need to keep some power behind him.

scottt - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#169143) #
Oh, and another quality start for McGowan. Good for a consecutive win.
Magpie - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#169144) #
A couple of observations from today...

Royce Clayton is looking way better in the field than he did in April. He's moving around much better, and his throws are a lot stronger.

Not that he's going to remind anyone of Adam Everett, but still..

And Sal - Sally! I wanted, badly, to see him run. He hasn't been on base a whole lot, and so far his most memorable dash came when he tore off in pursuit of Ortiz' pop in front of the Jays dugout, lumbering desperately in full catcher's gear, and coming up short. But on the bases - nothing. Could he rally be as slow as Bengie? Hard to imagine, but he is a 35 year old catcher...

But no. Not even close. Fasano caught my attention immediately after his RBI single. On the subsequent deep fly out, he hustled almost to second base - he and Clayton, coming back so he could tag up, could have reached out and touched each other. The ball was caught, and the two runners lit out in opposite directions, Clayton going to third and Fasano heading back to first. It was kind of fun to watch.

They don't bother holding a guy like Fasano on, and he dutifully made sure to get a few steps off the dirt cutout and a few steps towards second base on every pitch. It was good to see - a guy who knows he has to do each and every little thing to make up for his Old Catcher's Legs, and actually does them.

And it worked. When Rios hit his slow roller to Crede, Fasano had a good jump off the bag and was running as hard as he could, and he forced Crede to make the long throw across the diamond to get Rios by a step rather than take the shorter, easier play at second base. Crede got the out, but it's a tougher play (especially with a fast man like Rios) and has far more potential to cause trouble than a 50 foot flip to the second baseman.

I was obviously not expecting him to start the go-ahead rally by beating out a bunt single, however. That was almost as good as Hill stealing home.

Gerry - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#169145) #
I was at Fridays game and the crowd was getting on Phillips, booing him, unusual for a home team player.  Phillips lack of speed hurt him, in particular when he tried to stretch that double in the corner into a double.  Philips also allowed a run on a passed ball, which might not have been his fault, and was unable to make a throw when a runner was going to second on a throw home.  Philips did not look like a major leaguer last night.
scottt - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#169146) #
Pete Walker is 38 year old and had rotator cuff surgery last July.  He would have to very well at Triple-A Scranton to hit the Yankees lineup.

Other teams run at will against Phillips. I was surprised to see him in the lineup Friday.
Lefty - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#169147) #

It looking like McGowan is starting to lay down a nice foundation of performance. I'm sure he'll have a couple more rocky games this season, but he really does look like he belongs at this level now.

And  to echo Gerry's thoughts on Philips, brutal effort last night , coupled with Fasano's performance today it looks like there will be a decision to make when Zaun comes back.

jasona - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#169148) #
Anyone that was on the game chat last night will know that I do not think too highly of Mr. Phillips.  He is a waste of a spot on the roster and we'd be better served with Curtis Thigpen taking his lumps up in the big leagues.
The passed ball last night...entirely his fault.  A catchers job is to keep the ball in front of him, so suck it up and block it...you are wearing ALL that equipment.

Great comeback today!!  Now lets just hope that the Ducks can put the sticks to the Sens tonight.

Ryan Day - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#169149) #
Burnett took the blame for the passed ball:
"(Phillips) put down the right sign to the wrong pitcher," Burnett said. "I saw a heater and I was supposed to throw a hook."

Joanna - Saturday, June 02 2007 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#169150) #
Burnett said he gave Phillips quite the bruise.  And a bullet to the chest will still be felt through any protection, he might have had a bit of stuffing knocked out of him.  The thing that really got people on Phillips was the attempt at stretching the double.  I was a little annoyed at the time, but I also figured he was just trying to get something going and guys are going to have rough games.  At least he and AJ didn't engage in fisticuffs after Phillips pointed to the scoreboard.  It'll be interesting to see which of them goes down.  They might still send Fasano down to act as a steadying influence on the hatchlings.  The guy talks like a coach, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as one in a few years.
fozzy - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 01:26 AM EDT (#169151) #
There is, floating around on the Net shortly after it happened, probably the funniest managerial ejection you will ever see. Sweet Lou, eat your heart out!

http://wbztv.com/video/?cid=51&id=32168@wbz.dayport.com
Chuck - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#169156) #

I'd complain about Thomas if he wasn't walking so much.

Right now, the walks are all Thomas is bringing to the table. A 220/350/390 line from a DH is simply not cutting it. I've always been a Thomas fan, so it is very difficult to see him so hapless, but right now he looks totally overmatched. Any success he's had has been on sub-90 MPH slop hung over the inside half of the plate. We keep hearing about how his 2006 started much the same, and that perhaps we shouldn't be overly worried, but I think counting on a similar metamorphosis two straight years is not realistic.

Ron - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#169157) #
It seems like when teams play the Jays, their star players are never rested. While the Jays will rest players like Glaus, Rios, and Wells and it seems like the other teams don't do it as much. The White Sox started Thome, Dye, and Konerko every game this series. The Yankees always start A-Rod and Jeter, the Red Sox always have Manny in the line-up vs. the Jays, etc....

I don't think there's a way to measure this, but I would like to know how many wins you cost yourself by resting your healthy star players over the course of a regular season.

CeeBee - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#169158) #
Are the Jays snakebit?  Now Marcum leaves after 3 with a sore back and Overbay leaves after taking a pitch on the hand. Any takers on who gets hurt next?  Maybe Gibby? the trainer? color man?
budgell - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#169159) #

 I would like to know how many wins you cost yourself by resting your healthy star players over the course of a regular season.

...not as many as you'd lose by not resting them.  162 games is a grind, I'm a big Ripken fan but I think the team suffered at times because of the streak.  Although heating up lately (helping my pool) I don't think Tejada's power outage is entirely due to baseball's stricter steroids policy. 

Not to mention the need to keep your bench from getting rusty, the fact that Glaus will need more days off if he's going to be around all year and Gibby having to try something to get Wells going (it worked!)

Original Ryan - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#169160) #
Are the Jays snakebit?  Now Marcum leaves after 3 with a sore back and Overbay leaves after taking a pitch on the hand. Any takers on who gets hurt next?  Maybe Gibby? the trainer? color man?

A.J. Burnett has been too healthy this year.  He's due.
Dez - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#169161) #
I heard on the fan that Overbay will be out 4-6 weeks with a fractured hand.  Ouch.  At least this means Lind will play everyday until Johnson gets back.
dan gordon - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#169162) #

It will be interesting to see what roster move they make to replace Overbay, who has a broken hand.  There really is nobody at Syracuse who has good numbers for the season, either for average or power.   Cosby is hitting over .300 at AA, and has a season of AAA experience, and may represent the best internal choice.  Assuming Stairs is going to take over as the regular 1B against most pitchers, I would think they want an OF.  Griffin??  Mottola??  Lydon??  Maybe they could make a deal for a decent 4th outfield type like one of the excess guys at Texas (Marlon Byrd, Victor Diaz) which shouldn't cost them too much.

Let's hope Marcum is OK - the rotation is just starting to look like a real strength.

Ryan Day - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#169164) #
There are still too many pitchers in it, but I'm loving this bullpen. And since I stuck up for the guy during the offseason, I've gotta say: Brian Tallet has definitely rewarded the Jays' faith in him. I think he's finally earned some respect around here...

Which is good, because I'm afraid Scott Downs' arm is going to fall off shortly after the All-Star Break.

FranklyScarlet - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#169166) #

I agree, that our pitching of late has been outstanding.

Just saw that Vlady hit a walk off two run homer to beat Baltimore.

Blue Jays:  27-29

Orioles: 27-30?

 

 

groove - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#169167) #
Is there any chance at all that they would experiment with Thomas at 1B? (Or are we more likely to see Glaus at SS again)


Dave Till - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#169168) #
It looks like Stairs is going to take over 1B, with Phillips backing him up.

I wonder whether the Jays will call up yet another pitcher to replace Overbay on the roster. :-)

wdc - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#169169) #
It hurts to lose Overbay right now.  He has been hitting well lately.  More important, he is such an outstanding fielder.  I know baseball has a lot of statistics but are there any ways that one can assess how much the loss of a fielder of his quality might be over a period of 4 to 6 weeks.  Can one find a statistic and measure Overbay against someone like Stairs or Phillips at first base?  How much of a difference could it make?  Just wondering.
Craig B - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#169170) #
I don't like playing Stairs at first, because I think he's a very poor first baseman, but if the Jays are going to do that, I'd rather see Aaron Matthews get the call - promising bat and he can spell Lind or Stairs for defensive purposes late in games.
Craig B - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#169171) #
Can one find a statistic and measure Overbay against someone like Stairs or Phillips at first base?  How much of a difference could it make?  Just wondering.

It's three to five runs at most.  Two to three runs on "measurable" defensive plays like grounders fielded, plus one or two more runs on plays that we can't yet measure, like groundball outs that Overbay can scoop that will pull Stairs off the bag or he'll drop, plus relay throws from the outfield and all that other stuff.

The last season I have good plus/minus fielding data for Stairs and Overbay at first is 2005; Stairs checks in about four bases a month worse than Overbay, which translates to about two runs a month, or 2-3 runs over 6 weeks.
VBF - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#169172) #
Well, if it had to happen to any position player, I'm glad it was Overbay. At least he gets replaced with a hot Matt Stairs and Lind gets full playing time.

I'm not sure what the scheduling is like, but if Reed gets back before Overbay does, I wonder if they would consider putting Lind at first base since it seems he will end up there at some point in his career.

tstaddon - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#169175) #
Here's hoping that Frank dusts off his 1B glove for the weekend's interleague games. I know it wasn't the plan going in, but his legs have looked fine so far this season and we'll certainly be able to use his OBP in the NL parks. Even if he and Stairs split them 60/40, it's 10 more at-bats a weekend for Frank than you'd be getting otherwise.
ayjackson - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#169178) #

And since I stuck up for the guy during the offseason, I've gotta say: Brian Tallet has definitely rewarded the Jays' faith in him. I think he's finally earned some respect around here...

Well then I guess I should admit that I may have been very wrong about Tallet.  Time will tell, but he's certainly earning my respect.

ayjackson - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#169179) #

Interesting development in the Globe Blog - the Jays will start Ohka on Wednesday to give Burnett an extra days rest.  His high pitch counts in the past two starts being cited as the reason.

I wonder if this decision was made during his last start as his pitch count rose, or if there has been a slower recovery in his arm this week.  I think I'd prefer the Edwin Jackson matchup to the Scott Kazmir matchup for Ohka. 

With Monday off, they could have skipped Ohka altogether this time through and sent him out against the Giants instead.  Hmmmm.

ayjackson - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#169181) #

As for Overbay's replacement, Thigpen got the start at first today for the Chiefs.  He's got an .880 OPS against lefties.  Someone else to think about.

I don't like it, but could see Gibby keeping Sal AND Philips up when Zaun returns, and giving Philips some time at first.

Lefty - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#169182) #

Hi Ryan,

That would be the two of us against the world on the merits of Tallet. 

I don't mind saying I told you on this one. It was a good call.

Regards,

Lefty

scottt - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#169184) #
They need to platoon Stairs at first. He needs a break here and then anyway.

Howie Clark should still be able to play left field.

Zaun needs another week, than we can probably use Phillips at first and keep Fasano behind the plate.

Thomas is .300 against left handed pitching. It might be tempting fate, but he should get a couple of starts at first on the West Coast.

Even if Glauss was healthy, there would be no point in playing him at first.  We don't have another good bat that can play third.

There's too many pitchers on the 40 men roster. Something needs to happen soon.

Lefty - Sunday, June 03 2007 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#169185) #

I searched back on Tallet comments as far back as last August.  Ryan and I both supported him on August 14th. Here is what I wrote on January 25th.

In defense of Tallet last season was like an age 29 rookie year for him.

He was a fairly highly regarded prospect in the Cleveland system before arm trouble. He missed more than a year between 2003 and 2005 seasons. 

Ricciardi apparently said today, Tallet is not in the mix for set-up as he gave up to many walks. Thats true 31 of them in 44 appearances or 54.1 innings. But if look a little closer we find that he gave up 17 of those walks in only seven of those 44 appearances. And we should also note he only gave up 45 hits in those same innings last season

Maybe its going out on a limb a bit, but personally I think he will yet prove to be one of Ricciardi's best scrap heap pick-ups.

Yes, I know, even a blind man will find a nugget every once in a while. And I would not point this out, but Tallet had so many detractors I just think it appropriate to give the guy his props. Its easy to folow the crowd, but there wasn't any crowd giving analyses on Tallet's talent.

 

 

DH - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 04:59 AM EDT (#169187) #

Jays might find themselves in a bind with Overybay's injury. While there's no doubt that they could use an additional outfielder on the club whom do you drop from the 40man roster to make room? Zambrano, Towers, Houston, Diaz, Thompson ...

Anybody else notice that Brian Wolfe was summoned from the bullpen yesterday rather than Frasor or Towers - not sure whether that was a specific matchup issue - or whether the latter two have simply fallen completely out of favour. Given their limited use and a day off today I struggle to see how Towers (in particular) is still on the club given his potential for mediocrity in the NL, nor how Frasor has yet to be pawned off on an NL team looking for relievers (Phillies, Dodgers, Braves).

While it's still early, I was looking at the Braves roster and it seems they've got a need for a strong arm in the pen, a number five starter, and a nice bat off the bench to spell the youngsters in the OF/1b. If the Jays decide to sell Frasor, Ohka and Stairs would certainly solidy the Braves run for the wildcard. And conversely, Yunel Escobar would look great in a Jays uniform.

China fan - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 07:14 AM EDT (#169188) #

     A couple of notes:

       1)  There's a growing feeling that the Jays shouldn't have pampered Frank Thomas quite so much at spring training. Remember how he was treated with kid gloves -- the only guy on the roster who could choose his opponents, his games, his plate appearances, whether to travel, and anything else he wanted.  It was rationalized with the implication that Thomas was a genius who had a unique preparation system and knew how to get himself ready better than anyone else.  He didn't even face any opposing pitchers at the start of the Grapefruit season.  In retrospect, he probably should have been facing the top pitchers as soon as possible.   It's hard to imagine how the Jays could have exempted him from the routines that everyone else needs to get ready for major-league pitching.  (Jeff Blair makes the same point on the Globe website, so I'm sure the whispers are getting louder.)

     2)  Looking at the Syracuse roster  (and excluding the small-sample-size of Lind, Vento and Fasano), the top OPS stats are held now by Thigpen and Adams.  Both have been hot lately.  Adams is hitting .455 with 15 RBIs in his last 8 games.   I'd like to see both Thigpen and Adams getting a promotion soon.  The injury to Overbay might be a good opportunity to see what Thigpen can do.  (His latest game at 1B might not be a coincidence, as noted above in this thread.)  As for Adams -- his throwing errors seem to have diminished this year.  I know it's a very controversial idea, and Hill deserves some stability, but I'm actually one of those who would like to see Hill at SS if Adams can handle 2B.   It could be a huge boost to the Jays offence if it works out.

Chuck - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 07:37 AM EDT (#169189) #

I know it's a very controversial idea, and Hill deserves some stability, but I'm actually one of those who would like to see Hill at SS if Adams can handle 2B. 

I'm worried about a Pokey Reese/Michael Young thing happening. Both were stellar defensive second basemen who became mediocre defensive shortstops, more than just a minor degradation of their defense. While an argument might still be made that those moves opened up a position that's easier to stock, and were thus justified, I'd be tempted to leave a very good thing alone and let Hill start piling up the gold gloves right where he is. Adams is just not good enough to force such a  chain of events.

Mike Green - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#169196) #
The club needs to go back to a 5 man rotation for a couple of weeks.  Inserting Ohka after Halladay in the rotation in time to give Burnett and Marcum an extra days rest makes sense to me. Brandon League's ascent to double A yesterday, and a successful outing there, gives hope that the club will have the horses to move Janssen to the rotation at the end of June. 

Calling up Aaron Mathews and using him in left-field against left-handed pitching with Lind moving to first base (where he is an adequate fielder), and Lind in left with Stairs at first against right-handed pitching is not a bad solution.  They now need 2 bats for the big club, one way or the other.

It's very hard to succeed for any length of time with a 51/41 K/W ratio, as Tallet has over the last 2 seasons.  I am delighted to have been wrong so far about him and I am perfectly content with him as the early lefty out of the pen what with the injuries and all, but he's not likely to have the same pretty number after the season ends. 

Ryan Day - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#169201) #

Tallet's made some improvements from last year: In 2006, he had 1.19 Ks per BB; this year, it's up to 1.55 Ks per BB. And his strikeout rate has gone up as well, from 0.69/ip to 0.77/ip.

He's also walked most of his batters this year versus right-handed hitters: 8 Ks & 9 BBs, though righties still only hit 106/270/211 off him. He's got more control against lefties - 9Ks, 2 BB, though lefties can at least hit him to the tune of 241/281/310.

Jason Frasor also seems to be back on track now - just 7 baserunners in hs last 9 innings pitched. Hopefully Gibbons will start spreading out the late-game duties, and not rely on Janssen/Downs/Accardo every night. With League seemingly on track, I'd like to see Janssen get stretched out with an eye to putting him back in the starting rotation.

China fan - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#169204) #
    I'm curious about the enthusiasm for Aaron Mathews.  His numbers are good at New Hampshire this year, but he's only a few months removed from Dunedin and he's never been ranked among the team's top prospects.   Can someone make the case for him?   Even someone like Adam Lind, who had a phenomenal record at New Hampshire, needed most of a season at the AA level before he could be promoted -- and Lind's rise from NH to the majors in a single season was seen as highly unusual.  I'm not disagreeing about Mathews, I'm just skeptical about his major-league chances until the case can be made for him. 
Gerry - Monday, June 04 2007 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#169242) #
I finally got around to listening to ESPN's baseball today podcast from last friday.  In it Peter Pascarelli suggests that Vernon Wells has a vision problem that the Blue Jays think can be corrected.  They considered laser eye surgery but have ruled it out for now.  This is the first I heard of this.
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