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A special St. Jean Baptiste Day edition of the Advance Scout. The Fighting Jays take on the FIghting Reds in an epic battle between two middle eastern teams (in the context of North America). On to the Advance Scout!


The Reds took two of three this past weekend against the mighty New York Yankees, but come to town losers of six of eight. That makes this series a battle between cellar dwellers, as the Reds are 13.5 back in the NL Central.

Tuesday's matchup sees AJ Burnett and Bronson Arroyo toeing the rubber against one another. Arroyo is one of four pitchers in International League history to throw a perfect game, having done so against Buffalo back in 2003. He got promoted shortly after too... Arroyo throws four pitches - five if you count both the two seam and four seam fastballs. The two seamer is about four mph slower and cuts in on lefties, coming in at about 85 mph. Arroyo also throws a tight curve, a slider and a changeup. The curve and slider are muccchh slower, in the low 70s. Arroyo has traditionally thrown a lot of strikes, though this year he is walking more batters than usual. His strikeout rate is much higher than it has been though, at nearly one per inning. More (most?) importantly is that Arroyo has released a CD of music. Specifically rock music that he is covering. He kind of sounds like the dude from Nickelback and that dude who sings 'how to save a life,' and looks like the dude from Creed. It is a powerful combination. Viewer discretion is advised. He's also quite the ladies man. He may end up plying his trade in New York though - he is being mentioned as a trade target for the Yankees. If it happens though, the NL will lose quite the slugger though; Arroyo has four career home runs, and two of them are off Glendon Rusch. David Eckstein is 10 for 31 against Arroyo with a couple of walks, Rolen is 7 for 23 with 3 doubles, Vernon is 7 for 26, Zaun is 5 for 18.

Wednesday night brings us a fine pitching match up: Roy Halladay versus Aaron Harang. Harang is a dismal three and ten on the season, though he has pitched just as effectively this year as in past years - freakishly so. He strikes out a lot of batters and walks few, and has an excellent k to bb ratio of almost 4:1 as a result. The only difference is that he is allowing a hit on one in three balls in play, meaning his actual era of 4.33 is well above his FIP of 3.75. Harang throws a fastball that tops out in the low 90s, and succeed by keeping the ball down - though he sports the worst gb % of his career at the moment, as only one in three balls is being hit on the ground.. He's been experimenting with a two seam fastball apparently, but his second pitch is an 82 mph slider. Harang will mix in the occasional change as an out pitch, but is mostly a two pitch pitcher. Harang has been traded for both Randy Velarde and Jose Guillen. He was Pedro Martinez's 3000th K victim. He is also apparently on the trade market, except not really. Wh knows. The number of puns that have been mae about Harang's last name is reaching epic proportions. Current Jays vs. Harang: Eckstein 13/32, Overbay 9/18 with 5 doubles, Rolen 5/28.

The rubber match is between Edinson Volquez and Jesse Litsch. Litsch has been struggling of late, which is, uh, the opposite of how Volquez has been doing. The La Segunua, Dominican Republic native, nicknamed Voltron, has been perhaps the best pitcher in baseball this year. He has an era of 1.71, and has struck out 110 in 95 innings (against 45 walks). He is a slight ground ball pitcher also, which helps. Volquez throws a hard fastball, averaging about 93 mph, and a change up about 10 mph slower. Pitch f/x says he'll throw the curve every now and then, and a slider ever so often. Edinson was pretty good in the minors, but certainly not this good - then again, few people are. Volquez came up through the Rangers system, and worked 34 league average innings as an occasional starter for the Rangers last year. He was the 'V' in the much heralded 'DVD trio, bookended by John Danks and Thomas Diamond. Of course, he was traded this offseason for Josh Hamilton, so it seems like this trade worked out alright for everyone. Maybe? Well, the most earned runs Voltron has allowed in a game was three. Once. In six innings. He's pitched either six or seven innings exactly in twelve straight starts, oddly enough. Matt Stairs is 1/1, Marco Scutaro 0/4.

Paul Bako has gotten the majority of the Reps behind the plate thanks to injury, and has responded by hitting a dismal .230/.306/.385. This is with the Great American Ballpark being a huge home run park (1.351 this year and last year). Last year it was a favourable hitters park as well; this year it actually favours pitchers slightly.

Joey Votto, the pride of the Toronto-area (I've seen him listed as being from Etobicoke, Mississauga and Toronto, and he apparently lives in Brampton now) makes his Canadian debut tonight. He was drafted 44th overall as a catcher by the Reds in 2002. Other notables from that year include Brian Bullington first, Melvin Upton, Christopher Gruler also to the Reds at number three, Adam Loewen, Clint Everts, Donald 'Zach' Grienke, and Jeff Francis - it was a good draft for Canucks. The Jays of course took Russ Adams - the next three picks were Scott Kazmir, Nick Swisher and Colbert Hamels. Sigh. He started the year in a platoon with Scot Hatterberg, and when everyone realize he was much better he won the starting job - Dusty Baker even describes him as a 'tough out.' He is apparently a huge student of the game as well.

Brandon Phillips has been pretty good at second for the Reds - he's slugging .485. He's no Dan Uggla I suppose, but he was involved in what now has to be one of the more lopsided trades in recent memory - Colon for Sizemore, Lee and Phillips. Man. He's 13 of 16 stealing bases. He is nicknamed 'B-Real.'

Jeff Keppinger has been splitting time with Jerry Hairston at short this year. More accurately, they have been rotating who's been injured. First it was no one, then Keppinger, now Hairston. He's been a revelation for the Reds; he's hitting .322/.370/.441 after putting up even better numbers in limited duty last year. He was just rushed back off the DL as the Reds have been struggling with middle infield injuries. Hairston had been having a career type season as well.

Edwin Encarnacion left Sunday's game with back spasms. I am assuming he will be back. Encarnacion is one of those guys with tons of potential that have never really broken through. He's 25 but has some 1400 at bats in the majors and is a career .267/.343/.450 hitter. He is also a terrible fielder, at least conventionally - he's made 10 errors already this season.

Noted baseball hater (or is that hitter?) Adam Dunn is 6 for his last 57. Maybe JP was on to something...

That Ken Griffey Jr. fellow is alright, but getting older. He made some news recently for something... what was that again? In any event, he's been slumping, and there is talk of him being traded to Seattle or Tampa. Why... I'm not quite sure. Griffey hasn't started in six games - he's been slumping, but I don't know if thats the reason. Besides, Corey Patterson has been taking his place. Ugh.

Wunderkind Jay Bruce has been handling both centre and right field duties lately. In his first 100 at bats he has 30 hits, with good patience and decent power. He is only 21, and has an extremely bright future ahead of him. Plus he is from Beaumont, Texas. He won Baseball America's 'player of the year' award last year playing for the Louisville Bats.

Cincy's pen is mediocre. Francisco Cordero is pretty good though.

Cincy has one of the greatest mascots of all time, the Gapper. Seriously, you have to watch this video. It's hypnotic... I don't think they've invited the Mayor back to throw out the first pitch this year. Maybe they'll ask Mariah Carey... Unfortunately Matt Belisle got demoted to AAA. One person is probabl happy about it though.

The Infirmary: Josh Fogg, Bobby Livingston, Kent Mercker, Jolbert Cabrera, Alex Gonzalez, Jerry Hairston, Ryan Freel.

2008 Motto: 'C you there.' Rating: F-. Do I really need to explain why?

The Credit Section: All offensive stats, pitches per PA for pitchers and league average stats are from the Hardball Times. Pitchers' stats and leverage indices are from Fangraphs. Minor-league stats are from Minor League Splits and First Inning. K% and BB% are strikeouts and walks as a percentage of plate appearances; GB% + LD% + FB% = 100. Special thanks to the intrepid Alex Obal, for making the charts that I am too lazy to make. I suppose its penance for him having Edison Volquez on his fantasy team.



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Chuck - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#187982) #

Dunne/Votto/Griffey/Bruce could mean lots of work for the LH relievers.

Thomas - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#187984) #
I am pretty sure Votto grew up in Etobicoke. He attended Richview Collegiate.
scottt - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#187985) #
Today's probably the most important game of the series. The jays are the clear favorite tomorrow and Cincinnati has the edge on Thursday. A loss today will likely lead to another lost series.

Can't wait to see the Jays lineup.



ayjackson - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#187988) #

Can't wait to see the Jays lineup.

I'd guess:

  1. Eckstein, SS
  2. Inglett, 2B
  3. Rios, RF
  4. Wells, CF
  5. Overbay, 1B
  6. Rolen, 3B
  7. Stairs, DH
  8. Barajas, C
  9. Lind, LF

I think Barajas over Zaun because he can't only play against lefties and I don't think Zaun likes AJ.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#187990) #
Despite all those fine left-handed hitters in the lineup, the Reds have actually hit LHP substantially better than RHP this year. The lefties with longer careers (Dunn, Griffey, Patterson) have small career platoon differentials.  You might want to use a ROOGY against Phillips though.
tstaddon - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#187998) #
Big Heavy's yet to stride up a second time, but the early returns on Battle of the Adams: Round Two are even better than the first. It is now entirely possible that Lind has a higher batting average than Dunn before TONIGHT'S game is over!
scottt - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#188000) #
  1. Scutaro, SS
  2. Inglett, 2B
  3. Rios, RF
  4. Wells, CF
  5. Stairs, DH
  6. Rolen, 3B
  7. Overbay, 1B
  8. Zaun, C
  9. Lind, LF

The only surprise is Scutaro. The current coach doesn't seem to like Eckstein much.

I missed much of the game as my son was pitching a play0ff Little League game. Not a perfect game, but close.
Sheldon - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#188001) #
As long as Scutaro continues to hit like he has, I think we may not be seeing Eckstein all that much.
Twilight - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#188003) #
Well that was alright wasn't it?

Decent outing by A.J., too.

Mick Doherty - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#188004) #
Volquez's last name is actually Edinson, not Edison, though he didn't let anyone know that while he was in the minors and for most of his first trip with the Rangers.  You have it right in the stats box, but not the story.

Too bad, we could've started an "All-Famous-Inventors" Hall of Names team.

Actually, if he keeps that ERA around its current 1.71, he can insist the name is spelled "Mortimer" and Dusty Baker will defend that to the death.

That Volquez/Hamilton trade has worked out great for both sides, though ironically the Rangers -- what else is new -- could sure use some pitching while the Reds power numbers aren't exactly Big Red Machine-like. Ah well, it's likely both guys needed to move to get to where they are performance-wise.

Has a Cy Young winner ever been traded for an MVP? Looks like we might have that happen this year -- the year after the trade!

greenfrog - Tuesday, June 24 2008 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#188005) #
There isn't much statistical difference between Eckstein (279/367/358) and Scutaro (262/356/327). Hard to say who the better shortstop is. Scutaro did make a nice play today, though.

It would be nice to see Rolen get the occasional day off. He's picked it up in the last couple of days, but he's been out there every day--and he's had some pretty significant injury issues over the last few years. Obviously it isn't easy with Hill's status uncertain (and Scutaro/Eckstein/Inglett/Overbay wouldn't the most intimidating of AL infields), but you don't want Rolen ending up on the DL, either.

Speaking of Hill, that's a pretty scary situation. Out a month and still having symptoms? How do you rehab a head injury? I also wonder about Hill's eventual return, assuming he gets healthy. If his injury is serious enough to sideline him for this long, he might already be in the category of those athletes (like Lindros) where another head injury could spell the end of his career.
China fan - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 01:12 AM EDT (#188009) #
  Ricciardi says that John Parrish is the "frontrunner" to be promoted to start Saturday's game as the replacement for Marcum.   I like the decision -- it's time to see whether Parrish can be a pitcher on this team.   A couple days ago, a Bauxite pointed out that Parrish is out of options.   But the Jays didn't sign Parrish to be AAA fodder.  They obviously thought he could contribute to the major-league team at some point, and I agree with their decision that he deserves a shot at it now.   If he does poorly, they can DFA him.  If he does well, they can find a spot for him in the bullpen when Marcum comes back.  One or two of their current eight relievers must have options or be otherwise expendable.
scottt - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 07:06 AM EDT (#188010) #
Might make sense to trade a reliever, or send League down if he struggles again, but there's also Accardo.

I would think Camp is out of options too. Any takers for Frasor?



lexomatic - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 07:49 AM EDT (#188011) #
So in an article about yesterday's game i came across something surprising. I always thought that Gaston was a slugging outfielder in San Diego... not a pitcher... from this article: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/448808
"You can say it's easy to pitch with all those runs, but it's not," said Gaston, who said he knows a thing or two about pitching because he came up to the big leagues as a pitcher but was drafted as a hitter.
Can anyone confirm this?
Chuck - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 07:51 AM EDT (#188012) #

Any takers for Frasor?

Tampa might entertain the idea of some middle relief help. They've got Gomes just rotting away on the bench. He could fill the role Mench was intended for.

Thomas - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 07:57 AM EDT (#188013) #
Cito Gaston was an All-Star outfielder for the Padres.
Barry Bonnell - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#188023) #
So in an article about yesterday's game i came across something surprising. I always thought that Gaston was a slugging outfielder in San Diego... not a pitcher... from this article: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/448808
"You can say it's easy to pitch with all those runs, but it's not," said Gaston, who said he knows a thing or two about pitching because he came up to the big leagues as a pitcher but was drafted as a hitter.

Can anyone confirm this?

Didn't Cito just confirm it?

lexomatic - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#188024) #
i should've clarified Barry Bonnell, it's the statement that "he came up as a pitcher" which seems incredibly odd to me. I was hoping someone could confirm he actually played as a picther somewhen. anyways i just think someone did a bad job of fact checking before an article ran.
Magpie - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#188026) #
Gaston was definitely an outfielder when he arrived in the majors, and as far as I can tell he didn't do any pitching in the minor leagues. As for what positions he played in high school - I don't know. The Jays Media Guide isn't much help - it notes that he was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers, which is simply  wrong (it was the Milwaukee Braves, the Brewers didn't exist) and that he played at Holy Cross High School in Corpus Christi.

Gaston was born in San Antonio and grew up there and in Corpus Christi. He would have been in high school in the early 1960s. To the best of my knowledge, there is a Holy Cross High School in San Antonio but not in Corpus Christi. The San Antonio high school opened in 1957 - it has a website and a collection of old pictures, often of the sports teams. And I don't see any black athletes in the oldest pictures. Doesn't mean there weren't any, of course.
Sanjay - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#188028) #

Former Jays news:

Vinnie Chulk has been designated for assignment.  His April and May were strong, but has an ERA hovering around 11 over 15 Innings in June so far. 

http://www.mercurynews.com/giantsheadlines/ci_9689162

JohnL - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#188031) #

The reference might have made sense if it should have been "he came up to the big leagues as a hitter [as he did] but was drafted as a pitcher."... If perhaps he pitched in school.

Bui it sounds like he wasn't drafted at all. Baseball Ref. says he was signed as an amateur free agent, and this  New York Times article says it was Al LaMacchia who did it...

Magpie - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#188032) #
And the article JohnL cites has LaMacchia driving around San Antonio and stopping at Olmos Field to watch a "semi-professional" game. Where the centre fielder caught his attention:

Great build on him, wiry and strong. First thing he did was chase a ball in deep center field, so I knew he could catch. Then he fired a strike so I knew he could throw. Then he beat out a ground ball, so I knew he could run. And then he hit a home run, so I knew he had power.

The semi-pro reference is interesting. JohnL is correct, Gaston was undrafted. He was signed in March 1964, just a few days after turning 20, which seems a little old for high school.
King Ryan - Wednesday, June 25 2008 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#188043) #
I like
Adam Lind.
He is good at
Baseball.

Magpie - Thursday, June 26 2008 @ 12:13 AM EDT (#188046) #
Very irritating loss tonight. Because they came back and got Doc off the hook. Do Rolen and Overbay have a side bet on how many runners they can strand? Sigh....

Coming into tonight's game, Brian Wolfe had issued exactly 1 (one!) unintentional walk all year - Michael Young back on April 11. So he instantly walks the 7 and 8 hitters leading off the inning... in extra innings, in a tie game...

Jesse Carlson gave up #43 for the New/Old Boss, and he was wearing 48 on the road trip. He was wearing #39 tonight. So no, I don't think anyone expects to see Gustavo Chacin anytime soon...

The New/Old Boss is still getting acquainted with his talent, of course. He is reported to have seen them quite a bit. But I'm pretty sure I've seen quite a few more games at the Dome than Gaston has these past 10 years - hey, whenever I saw Cito at the park, it was cool and exciting!. It's also quite likely that I've seen Roy Halladay pitch more often. Doc obviously had little going for him tonight. He didn't have much in the way of command, and the sinker wasn't sinking very much. He got just four infield ground outs tonight. When Gaston came out to visit in the seventh, I assumed he was bringing the hook. Doc was at 110 pitches, Griffey was up with no one on. And we were already 150 minutes into the game. Doc's usually in the showers by then. But obviously Gaston asked how he was, and Doc must have said he was good to go. And promptly threw 9 balls in 11 pitches and loaded the bases.

You think Cito's going to ask next time?

That's now 92 GDPs in 79 games, a pace that will result in 189 GDPs over the season. The target, 174 by the 1990 Red Sox, remains well within reach. And with 15 all by himself, Lyle Overbay has the team record (25 by Troy Glaus in 2006) well within his grasp. The 15 Overbay already has, in less than half a season, would have been enough to lead the Jays in this dubious category in 1997 (Carter 12), 1996 (Delgado 13), 1991 (Myers (13), 1985(Bell 14), 1984 (Barfield 14). 1983 (Mulliniks 14), 1982 (Upshaw 11) and 1980 (Garcia and Bonnell, 14) -  as well as the shortened seasons of 1981 and 1994. The only Blue Jays to ever hit into 20 or more DPs in a season are Doug Ault (20 in 1977), Rico Carty (21 in 1978), George Bell (21 in 1988), Kelly Gruber (20 in 1988), Ed Sprague (23 in 1993), Vernon Wells (21 in 2003), Shea Hillenbrand (21 in 2005), and Glaus.

I didn't notice anyone calling Overbay's DP in the press box tonight - I don't think anyone thought he'd actually do it again. Oh ye of little faith.

Anders - Thursday, June 26 2008 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#188067) #
Overbay is on pace to ground out roughly 32 times or so. It will be interesting to see if he can pick it up and make a run at Jim Rice, who grounded out 35 and 36 times in two different seasons. Overbay's pace is better, but Rice will have had more at bats. 32 would be the third best mark of all time, as well.

Overbay now has a WPA of -.71, which surprisingly isn't even close to being the worst on the team. Only two current Jays hitters are in the black, so to speak - Inglett and Zaun. The two bases loaded GIDP's were worth -.731, and the first one was by far and away the most costly play of the Jays season to date.

King Ryan - Thursday, June 26 2008 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#188071) #
There isn't much statistical difference between Eckstein (279/367/358) and Scutaro (262/356/327)

Eckstein has been a demonstratably better hitter over his entire career.  That doesn't just go out the window when the new season starts.  I agree there isn't THAT much difference between them, but simply using this season's stats is misleading.  

Eckstein is a better hitter and will likely put up the better numbers from here going forward, in my opinion.
scottt - Thursday, June 26 2008 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#188084) #
Eckstein is a better contact hitter. Scutaro has probably a bit more pop. Scutaro might be  better defensively. Less error prone, anyway.

Scutaro has more value on the bench than Eckstein. Any takers for Eckstein?

Having Inglett at 2nd is not really a problem.

Gibbons used to tweak his lineup after every game. Gaston likes to play the hitters in the same spots regardless of current streaks and matchups. That's one thing that made his style boring.

Nobody is  looking like a Cy Young contender today. Listch? Nah.

scottt - Thursday, June 26 2008 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#188085) #
Oh and 5 RBIs between Rolen and Overbay so far.
Gerry - Thursday, June 26 2008 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#188086) #
John Parrish to start Friday.
scottt - Friday, June 27 2008 @ 07:39 AM EDT (#188092) #
Or Saturday.
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