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Vernon Wells has earned his salary so far this season.


V-Dub is hitting .714/.778/2.000 with 3 HR and 6 RBI and leads the league in basically everything.  On top of that Gonzalez homered, Encarnacion got an RBI, Snider didn't strikeout, heck, Frasor even got a save.  It's a good day to be a Jays fan.

In Boston it's never too early too early in the season to stir up a little drama.  The controversy du jour is whether David Ortiz should have been benched against Andy Pettite last night after not getting a hit against Sabathia on opening day.  Ortiz surprisingly enough was not very happy about this eloquently expressing himself to reporters: "Good,you guys wait till [expletive] happens, then you can talk [expletive]. Two [expletive] games, and already you [expletives] are going crazy. What's up with that, man? [Expletive]. [Expletive] 160 games left. That's a [expletive]. One of you [expletives] got to go ahead and hit for me."  Ortiz got an RBI hit last night, so tomorrow the discussion can safely move onto John Lackey's Cy Young chances or whether Bard needs to replace Jon [expletive] Papelbon.

The Jays marketing department have decided no one on the roster is well enough known to the casual fan to base an ad campaign around. Either that or they've got hold of some really good drugs. We're going to be inflicted with a series of commercials based around "a boardroom filled with suit-wearing birds–blue jays, naturally–brainstorming ways to bring more people to Jays games. The frustrated chairman (chairbird?) must deal with a series of stupid suggestions."  I didn't even watch the previews and I hate this campaign already.  Make the most of the next few days - the campaign starts on April 12th.  The ads will run on TSN, Sportsnet, Omni TV and Citytv, I think I'll be watching CBC more than usual over the next few weeks.

Elsewhere in the division Matt Garza was too much for the Orioles, cruising through 8 Innings with just one earned run and eight strikeouts.  Rafael Soriano picked up the save to go with last night's win.  Soriano hasn't looked very comfortable so far as a Ray, although he was a little better last night than in the first game.  Offensively Longoria got the job done with 3 RBI's, a double and a homer.  Further north the Red Sox and Yankees went into extra Innings before Boston's bullpen blew up.  Papelbon gave up a solo shot to Granderson to start the 10th and proceeded to walk Gardner and Jeter.  Aitchison replaced him, but didn't do much better walking Johnson to load the bases and then giving up a run on a Tex groundout. Those two runs were one more than Mo needed as he got the inevitable 1-2-3 in the bottom of the Inning.

QOTD: How's Buck Martinez doing ?
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fozzy - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#213235) #
As someone who thought Buck M. would be a terrible play-by-play guy, I have been pleasantly surprised at his focus during the game and his enthusiasm during a big play or a homerun. He hasn't felt the need to fill every second of air with chatter, and has been saying the score and recapping the inning quite a bit, which is nice for someone like me who is often out of sight of the TV. We'll see how he does when he gets into a snore-off with Rance, but like the rest of the Jays season, so far, so good.
Mick Doherty - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#213236) #
Vernon still lives just a couple of long home runs away from Rangers Ballpark in Arlington, and he always seems to ratchet it up for games in DFW. Not a good game for the Rangers (and let me say it once again, despite where I live, I am NOT a "Rangers fan," jut an interested neighbor) but this year's version of Nelson Cruz, so far, looks  a lot like Josh Hamilton c. 2008!
greenfrog - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:20 AM EDT (#213237) #
I like Buck. He seems to have matured quite a bit as a broadcaster. I liked his words of encouragement to Tallet (which Tallet never heard, of course) after the back-to-back home runs by Guerrero and Cruz. Basically, he commented that that kind of thing happens a lot in Arlington, and simply advised Brian to "just keep pitching." Which Tallet proceeded to do very nicely, and ended up with a W.
Spifficus - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 02:29 AM EDT (#213238) #
just to echo your thought, Fozzy, I haven't had a chance to watch the game tonight but the Monday game and the Houston game have confirmed my positive impressions of Martinez' work. He's had some rust moments, but for the most part, the conversations between him and Tabler have had flow and made sense within the context they took place in. There hasn't been a need to over-explain, and Buck has done his play-by-play work, and offered analysis on the situations as well. I look forward to a few more games down the road, when all the offseason rust is knocked off, and he's into the full play-by-play swing.

There are two things that are underrated when it comes to play-by-play: talking around the situation, and silence. he seems to have a good grasp of when to use both to this point.
Alex Obal - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:05 AM EDT (#213240) #
Those ads with the talking birds are an improvement over last year's slogan, "Come watch the Blue Jays because baseball is boring."

Kevin Gregg's gyroball was very effective last night.
scottt - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:22 AM EDT (#213241) #
First Win, Tallet. First Save, Frasor. First Multi-homerun game, Wells. First dropped ball, Bautista.

I wonder if Wells would be happy playing in Texas. Nolan Ryan keeps saying their target is 92 wins and they don't have much in center field.



Dave Till - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:44 AM EDT (#213243) #
Random driblets:
  • Vernon already has one-fifth of his 2009 home run total. Whee!
  • I'm okay with Buck as the lead broadcaster. He doesn't exactly have a classic baseball announcer voice, but I don't find him grating.
  • Finally saw Kevin Gregg pitch, and I am in awe of those glasses. He looks like a founding member of Devo. Someone needs to get him a yellow jumpsuit pronto. He seemed confident out there.
  • I was starting to worry about Jason Frasor, but then he went to his Wondrous Relatively New Changeup [tm], and with the help of a couple of somewhat low strike three punchouts, he was fine.
  • Alex Gonzalez The Second looks like a shortstop out there, mostly because he likes to throw on the run. This doesn't mean that he necessarily is a good shortstop, but he's got the moves down.
  • It's too early in the season to make judgements, but the bottom half of the Jays' batting order does not inspire confidence.

brent - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 07:50 AM EDT (#213244) #
All three Vernon homers were against 86-89 mph fastballs. Don't open the champagne yet.
AWeb - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 08:37 AM EDT (#213245) #
All three Vernon homers were against 86-89 mph fastballs. Don't open the champagne yet.

Hey, if Wells can hit fastballs in that range, he'll have a great year - lots of guys throw that hard. His first homer came on a pretty good pitch (down and away fastball), and punishing bad pitches is a good thing - he'll see lots of 89 mph fastballs during the year (2 homers against those).

Also, I'll get this out of the way early in the year and let it go unless a specific thread about it emerges later this year, as someone on the east coast with only "sportsnet east": Screw you Rogers. I don't want to watch the Yankees/Red Sox for the trillionth time, especially on a low quality feed from another network. It's bad enough you made the Senators the "local" hockey team for me (better than the Leafs, but still)...this happens several times a year when games start in the "middle" time zones (Minnesota, Texas, Chicago). I was at work for the opener, and didn't get to see the second game either. I got Atlanta/Chicago and NY/Boston last night, but not the Jays game? Way to build that market for the team you own, morons. /Rant
Chuck - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 08:43 AM EDT (#213247) #
I wonder if Wells would be happy playing in Texas. Nolan Ryan keeps saying their target is 92 wins and they don't have much in center field.

And after 2 games he might be inclined to replace a $400K 24-year old with an $80M/4 31-year old?
rpriske - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#213249) #
Vernon is on pace for 243 dingers and 486 ribbies! We are world series bound for sure!
Mike Green - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 09:06 AM EDT (#213250) #
As I said before the season, Wells has always been able to hit long homers to left on a variety of pitches.  The walk yesterday was nice, and it will be even nicer if he starts driving the pitch above the waist and outside to right-center.  I am not breaking out the champagne just yet.
sweat - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#213251) #
In my part of the world(Calgary), Shaw let's me add 2 channels for an extra 5 bucks a month.  In the winter RDS is one of those channels(Habs fan) and in the summer its sportsnet East and Pacific, which only counts as one channel somehow.  It wasn't HD, but it was Blue Jays baseball.
Jevant - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#213252) #
Good start from Vernon.

I have been pleasantly surprised by Buck, although he has to figure out how to pronounce EE's name.  Either that, or I've been pronouncing it improperly for a long time.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#213254) #
The Globe has a story about Cito's (non)use of Randy Ruiz, wherein Cito pretty much says he's not going to pinch hit and Ruiz isn't going to play much.

Leaving aside what sort of potential you think Ruiz has... why carry a guy you're not going to use? Ruiz can do one thing: hit. He can barely play first base, let alone anything else. Adam Lind is the full-time DH; maybe Ruiz can get a couple starts a month if Lind needs a day off or plays the field. If he's not even going to be used for pinch hitting, why is he on the roster? Jeremy Reed probably has more versatility. Heck, another reliever would probably be more useful than a pinch hitter who never pinch hits.
Dave Rutt - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#213255) #
As someone who is unable to watch games, now I´m curious how Buck is pronouncing EE´s name. Is it like En-carnation? That would be hilarious.
Matthew E - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 10:33 AM EDT (#213257) #

I don't remember how Martinez was pronouncing "Encarnacion"... was he emphasizing the "car" and nothing else? Something like that.

I think Gaston likes having players around he isn't going to use. Weren't there one or two guys like that in the bullpen last year? I heard his comment the other day, that "it's too early in the year to pinch hit," and I thought, yeah, it's too early in the year to try to win. Something like that, you have to work your way up to it. I know the guy has his strengths, but I won't miss him after he steps down.

Flex - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#213258) #
Both Tabler and Buck are pronouncing "Edwin Encarnación" — almost always the full name — like it's a bomb they're trying to defuse.

It's excruciating.

Other than that, though, I think Buck's doing a pretty good job, and watching games on TV is a pleasure now in a way it hasn’t been for a few years.
christaylor - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#213259) #
The Ryan Express could be described in a lot of ways "smart pitcher" is not exactly one of them... thus... AA ought to strike while the iron (Wells) is hot.
PeterG - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#213260) #
I am not yet convinced that Snider will remain with the big club into May.  A demotion here or a prolonged slump by EE, Bautista or Overbay could get Ruiz into the lineup. One way or the other, I disagree with the decision to keep him on the bench. I think he deserves to be in the lineup somewhere.
christaylor - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#213262) #
I agree with the play by play being a pleasant surprise... total upgrade over anything in recent memory.

I hope we'll not have to hear E5's name for a whole season.
Chuck - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#213263) #

Both Tabler and Buck are pronouncing "Edwin Encarnación" — almost always the full name — like it's a bomb they're trying to defuse.

Bingo! 

Buck is almost certainly hoping the EE's stay on the team isn't a long one. Night after night of tackling that surname could prove to be his undoing. I imagine a nickname is forthcoming.

And like many others, I have to concede that Buck isn't as terrible as I had anticipated. He's not good, not by a long shot, but he has learned the value of silence. That at least limits his cliche-spewing, a lesson Tabler could certainly stand to learn.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#213264) #
I heard his comment the other day, that "it's too early in the year to pinch hit," and I thought, yeah, it's too early in the year to try to win.

Cito's explanation isn't very inspiring, is it?  I think I know what he means, though.  The club has decided that Overbay is going to play almost every day because he is (in the club's opinion) the best option taking into account both offence and defence.  Early in the season, one might be particularly reluctant to pinch-hit because one feels that Overbay needs to get at-bats in against left-handed pitching.  Managers have differing approaches to the use of role players depending on the time of year; I do agree with the idea that there is less occasion to use them in April than there is in June or July.  That does not mean that "it is too early to pinch-hit"; if John McDonald comes up with the club down a run and nobody on with 2 outs in the ninth, I sure hope that somebody like Ruiz comes up to pinch-hit.  The memory of Garth Iorg coming up to face Tanana in '87 with Cecil Fielder languishing on the bench is burned on my brain, which is why "Jimy Williams" ought to be a nannied phrase around here. 
Chuck - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#213266) #

While I might not share many people's wide-eyed enthusiasm for Ruiz and the success he might have at age 32, he could nonetheless have a role on this team were Gaston taken to pinch-hitting just a wee bit more. Neither the starting catcher nor shortstop, whoever either should be, should  be immune to being replaced late in the game.

Of course, John Buck is batting 6th so a new love-affair with a Barajas clone appears to be in the offing.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#213267) #
Unfortunately, last year Overbay pretty much was John McDonald when facing lefties - he hit 190/256/278. Which is probably flukishly bad, but over the last 3 years it's a not-much-better 232/290/330.

I know Cito likes to be loyal to his players, and that's probably one of his strengths, but there comes a time when you've got to draw a line.

TamRa - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#213268) #
My problem with Cito is not that he makes this specific choice or that one on an in game situation - at least not at the moment.

My problem is he told reporters, essentially, that he was playing Overbay every day for the specific purpose of helping him get a better contract next winter.

THAT leaves me at a loss for the proper explitives to describe just how  f'd up it is. it's flat out insane. that's not what he's getting paid to worry about.


Matthew E - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:35 AM EDT (#213269) #

The memory of Garth Iorg coming up to face Tanana in '87 with Cecil Fielder languishing on the bench is burned on my brain

Wait a minute--wasn't Fielder caught stealing earlier in that game, just before Lee's triple? Doesn't invalidate your example; there must have been somebody on the bench. Beniquez or someone.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#213271) #
You're right, Matthew.  Actually, the guy Williams probably ought to have tabbed was Mulliniks; Beniquez and Fielder were in the game.  Playing in Detroit, Mulliniks actually had a chance of hitting the long-ball.  Willie Upshaw would have been a better choice than Iorg.

The decision to try to build up Overbay's value for a deadline deal would be one that AA would have a lot of input on.  I wouldn't lay that one on Cito. 

Dewey - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#213272) #
Buck is O.K.; but he seems to have contracted Rod Black’s/Faulds/JamieC's difficulty with fly balls.  His voice conveys excess excitement on what seem clearly to be fly-ball-outs, warning-track at best.   Yet he nonchalanted it with a fly ball (which he called “a pop-up”, by Gonzalez) that carried out of the park.  I can’t understand why announcers have this problem.  Is it because of where they sit?   Is it faulty depth-peception?

Catchers are notorious fuss-pots.  And sticklers for details.  Buck is also egotistical:  he likes to get things right, and to be seen to be doing so.  He’s also of Latino heritage.  I think he’s scrupulously attempting to get Encarnacion’s name correctly pronounced.  Sounds like Davey Concepcion, to Buck.
Chuck - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#213273) #

Sounds like Davey Concepcion, to Buck.

Bingo! (my second bingo in this thread)

I can't vouch for the proper pronunciation of Encarnacion and Concepcion, but to we Anglos, those are 5- and 4-syllable surnames, respectively. Buck is trying to squeeze Encarnacion into 4 syllables, just as if it somehow were intended to have the same cadence as Concepcion.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#213274) #
Won't Overbay's numbers look better if he doesn't face lefties? He can probably manage a 280 BA against RHP, and it's not like he's going to rack up more counting stats against lefties - he's got 5 homers and 30 RBI against lefties in 336 ABs against them over the last 3 years.

Besides, it's not like other teams can't read his stats, or send scouts to watch him against LHP.

Dewey - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#213276) #
I'll have to listen more carefully to Buck when EE is at bat; but I have the feeling it's the "cion" part that's bothersome to us gringos.  That's pretty much one sound to Latino ears.

onkahr nah seeyohn    [emphasis on middle syllable:  hey, how else do you pronounce Encarnacion?!  Piece of cake.]  

joeblow - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#213278) #
  • Buck and Tabler were good but not great. Some good nuggets of information but a lot of repetition. They need to tone it down a notch.
  • Is Vernon Wells slimmer or just false memory based on last year?
  • "Wild Thing" Gregg is awesome.
  • The corner infielders are going to help me teach my kids new swear words this year.
  • A meltdown in Beantown would be wonderful. The previous decade has been just too good for Boston fans, in all sports.

Evair Montenegro - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#213279) #
The accent of Encarnacion is in the last syllable, something like en-car-na-CION. I don't know how to put the pronunciation in english but that is how it is pronounced in spanish.
christaylor - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#213280) #
"which is why "Jimy Williams" ought to be a nannied phrase around here"

Nannied phrase would an example of the correct usage of that phrase be to change Jimy Williams to "Jimy-one-m" ? I'm curious about the phrase and google wasn't an exactly with a "nannied phrase" search a sending me to things about the "nanny state" which actually seems like a pretty good idea, to me. Whereas, Cecil on the bench in 1987 clearly was not... in 1987 my dislike of the Tiger was born and remains to this day, but I was a kid then so I can't help it.
Dewey - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#213281) #
Thanks, Evair.  You are, of course, right.

Dewey
92-93 - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#213282) #
It's quite amusing to see Cito try his hand at "managing" and move JB down to #2 because McCoy is playing. I thought players were supposed to be comfortable in their spots - wouldn't this hurt Bautista's confidence, being moved down in the order after only 2 games? There is zero reason for this tinker, the man is clueless.
ayjackson - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#213284) #

McCoy can steal bases = leadoff hitter.....quite simple in Cito-speak.

As for Overbay?  Everybody knows Overbay can hit righthanders.  His value is maximized if it can be demonstrated that he can play everyday.  He has hit lefties in the past.  I don't think it was luck, but is it a diminshed skill?  That's the question AA wants the answer too.  I don't blame him. 

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#213285) #
Apparently Cito's team is very psychologically fragile. Bastian tweets:
Gaston, asked if he'd use a late-inning def replacement for EE: "I think that would almost destroy him, as far as his confidence."
92-93 - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#213286) #
Can we have a thread dedicated to Cito's idiocy please? I just found this beautiful nugget -

"[Pinch -hitting] destroys guys. It's easy for you guys to say it or other people to think it, but to be with these guys every day, and every time they're looking over their shoulder, seeing if you're going to pinch hit for them, it just absolutely kills them -- unless it's understood, if it's understood from the start."

Pitchers' confidence apparently doesn't matter, because Janssen started warming up immediately after Frasor's leadoff double.
Thomas - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#213287) #
There is zero reason for this tinker, the man is clueless.

There are legitimate reasons to criticize Cito and non-legitimate reasons. Complaints or arguments about inconsistency concerning moving Bautista down for McCoy are the latter.

andrewkw - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#213288) #
Is it possible that Cito being sent up as a pinch hitter and being booed, destroyed his career and caused his views on pinch hitting?

see http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/bob_elliott/2010/04/07/13505311.html

“I had the night off, the year I made the all-star team hitting .318, I was the guy Preston Gomez sent up to hit for Clay Kirby,” Gaston said. On July 21, 1970 Kirby took a no-hit bid into the eighth against the New York Mets when Gaston pinch hit with the Padres trailing 1-0.
“I was booed,” Gaston said. He was booed when he was announced to the crowd of 10,373 fans at San Diego Stadium and again after he struck out.
“Fans wanted to see Kirby pitch the no hitter, Preston did the right thing, he was trying to win the game,” Gaston said."

The year the "incident" happened he had a remarkable .907 OPS which back in 1970 was good for a +144OPS (9th best in the NL).  The following year he dropped all the way to .650 which back then was +88  He never again cracked .700 as an everyday player and it wasn't until 5 years later as a part time player he cracked .700 never going higher then .764 in his career.

Ryan Day - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#213289) #
He has hit lefties in the past.  I don't think it was luck, but is it a diminshed skill?  That's the question AA wants the answer too.

He's got 950 career PAs against lefties, and he's hit 264/309/400 against them. He's had a couple solid years vs LHP (04 & 07), but several more really bad ones. I don't know what's going to change now.

I like Overbay, too. He's got a solid bat and a smooth glove, and he's a valuable asset. But he's got some limitations: He can't run, and he can't hit lefties. It may be demoralizing to Overbay to pull him for a pinch hitter, but isn't it demoralizing for the fans to watch him go down weakly any time the opposing team puts in a LOOGY?
ayjackson - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#213291) #

The last two seasons have seen a broken hand and a platoon reduce his effectiveness against lefties.  I'm inclined to believe he won't hit them again, but I think it's worth a 2 month investment.  Jays management apparently agrees.  Let's see what's happening in July before condemning these decisions too much.

Matthew E - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#213295) #

Apparently Cito's team is very psychologically fragile.

I wonder what Earl Weaver would have made of Gaston's philosophy.

How about, instead of worrying about player's confidence, you give them confidence by saying, "Do it my way and we'll win. If that means I pinch-hit for you, if it means I send in a defensive replacement for you, if it means I tell you to play shortstop with a freaking paper bag over your head, then you say yes sir and we'll win. Because I have a plan, and it doesn't involve you striking out in the eighth inning against a pitcher you can't hit in the first place." Treat players like they're special special snowflakes and you become the prisoner of their weaknesses.

Mick Doherty - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#213298) #

Can we have a thread dedicated to Cito's idiocy please?

Absolutely not. The topic already gets plenty of play in virtually every thread that is published. There is no reason for us to encourage by-definition, negative-and-unproductive whining about "idiocy" on a site that, as even certain of our fellow Jay sites have admitted, has stayed remarkably civil and positive.

China fan - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#213299) #

Three games into the season and this site is already dominated by the "Cito is an idiot" crowd.  If this is really going to become the main theme of this site, it's going to be a long and boring season.

Anyone who things "Cito is an idiot" should also be saying "AA is an idiot" and "the owners are idiots" because Cito's managerial philosophy has been widely known to everyone for years and they've retained him for another season.  By giving him another year, AA and the owners have accepted that Cito is not an idiot.  They believe it is not necessarily idiotic to keep players in the game, to refrain from pinch-hitting at every opportunity, to give pitchers a chance to pitch out of a jam in the 7th inning when his pitch count is not excessive, to refrain from endless statistical matchups at every at-bat.

Like it or not, there's more to baseball than operating a computer in the dugout.  There's a human component that none of the snipers and cynics will ever understand when they moan from the sidelines.

Of course it's fun to speculate about alternative strategies in any game situation, but can't we retain some politeness about it?  Can't we at least acknowledge the possibility of two sides to a situation?  Most of the critics are bull-headedly assuming that Cito doesn't even have an arguable case for his decisions -- as if these decisions were so black-and-white that any 3-year-old would know what to do.   Sorry, baseball is an art, not a science, and you can't always operate on percentages like a Vegas bookie or a Bay Street trader or a robot.  Humans are involved and an instinct for emotion and psychology is involved, like it or not.

Veterans like Lyle Overbay and John Buck can, of course, accept an occasional benching without psychological collapse.  But critics like Matthew E want to tell these players that they simply "can't hit" certain pitchers -- an insulting and abusive comment to make to these guys.  Doesn't that betray the whole notion of sabermetrics anyway?  Nobody "can't hit" certain pitchers -- they just can't do it at quite the same rate that someone else might do it.  And in a certain situation, when they're not constantly second-guessing themselves because of a fear of being benched at any moment, they might do just as well as someone else.  If you're going to be hooking Overbay and Buck as soon as a high-pressure situation arises, good luck with maintaining any team morale or cohesiveness or confidence -- you'll have the locker-room mutiny in Game 4 instead of Game 158.

China fan - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#213300) #
Also, what Mick said.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#213301) #
The problem isn't so much what Cito did (irony of ironies- Overbay triples and EE drives him in with a sac fly to score the go-ahead run today), but what he said.  He seems to defensive about his moves, and then states the case in overbroad generalities.  As a fan, I don't take these explanations at face value. 

Media relations seems to be an important part of a manager's job these days, and Cito might not be at his best in this aspect. 

92-93 - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#213303) #
"Anyone who things "Cito is an idiot" should also be saying "AA is an idiot" and "the owners are idiots" because Cito's managerial philosophy has been widely known to everyone for years and they've retained him for another season. By giving him another year, AA and the owners have accepted that Cito is not an idiot."

Please don't lump AA into this. He clearly had no choice, he wasn't about to go tell Beeston, the guy who just showed tremendous confidence in him, that his favorite manager and long time friend needed to be fired. Letting him stick around for the year didn't have too much downside, other than the fact that it meant we had to lose one of the better pitching coaches in baseball. Just not a battle AA deemed worth fighting.

Cito PHing for Molina with Buck and not Ruiz was classic. Gotta save those bullets for all the managing he does later in the game I guess.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#213304) #
Had 'em all the way.  One ninth inning bullpen failure, one ninth-inning rally off the opponent's closer, a 3 run win and four homers for Vernon Wells, to win 2 of 3 on the road from a contender.  Personally, I would rather talk about that. 
92-93 - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#213305) #
Romero and Janssen looked great. It's very unfair to Ricky if they don't change that wild pitch to a passed ball.
Ryan Day - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#213306) #
As Mike says, it's more Cito's explanations than his actions. If he just said "I have faith in Overbay's ability to hit lefties, and I think Encarnacion can play a pretty decent third", then c'est la vie. I disagree, but that's his call. But "I don't want to make changes because it'll hurt their feelings" just seems like he doesn't want to make waves.

Come to think of it, it doesn't seem like a recipe for boosting morale, either. Hasn't he pretty much said "I'd like to replace Encarnacion, but I'm afraid he'll cry?"

And did I miss something, or did he just use John Buck as a pinch hitter? I don't get it.

92-93 - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#213307) #
Also, you have to be worried about Snider. He really looks clueless at the plate now, and can't even catch up to fastballs.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#213308) #
In other good news, Dirk Hayhurst's book has apparently made the New York Times bestseller list. 
China fan - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#213309) #

So, 92-93, when did you develop the ability to read AA's mind?  You're trying to tell us that AA secretly agrees with your thesis that Cito is an idiot (and Beeston is an idiot) but somehow AA was never able to voice it to anyone -- and luckily you're able to tell us his secret thoughts?   When he became the GM, did AA suddenly become so pathetically weak that he couldn't even choose a non-idiot manager?  If he actually thought that Cito is an idiot, presumably he would have made this the first order of business as soon as he became GM:  "Job one, find a manager who is not an idiot."  Yet somehow he didn't.  Maybe he doesn't think Cito is an idiot?

Ryan Day, I agree with you about Cito's comments, but it wouldn't quiet any of his attackers if Cito had said that he had faith in Overbay's ability to hit lefties etc.

 

rtcaino - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#213312) #
I was following the game on MLB.com at work when VW was up - message said 'ball in play, runs scored' and then flashed 'HOME RUN'.

I was very close to standing up at my desk with both hands up over my head. To my credit, I was a total pro and refrained from doing so.
92-93 - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:33 PM EDT (#213313) #
Apparently at the same time that Jeff Blair and Mike Wilner gained the ability (to see the obvious). They just opened PrimeTime with the exact same thoughts on the the AA-Beeston-Cito triangle. I won't repeat my thoughts because the answers to your post were already clearly addressed. If you think there was a chance AA was going to accept the job and spit in the face of his boss you have a very poor understanding of the corporate world. This isn't a parallel example to Godfrey "forcing" the Wells extension on JP, at which point JP should have stood up and explained to his President of 5 years why that was a very poor idea.
rtcaino - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#213314) #
I believe he was saying that AA knew full well Cito's managerial style, but still allowed him to manage the season.

Ergo, any complaint of Cito's 'idiocy' should be directed at AA for allowing him to continue in his current role.

It seems popular opinion is currently positive towards AA and negative towards Cito: 92/93 is suggesting these attitudes do not jive.
rtcaino - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 05:44 PM EDT (#213315) #
Retract button.
binnister - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#213317) #
And did I miss something, or did he just use John Buck as a pinch hitter? I don't get it.

I'm no expert ('but I play one on TV!'), but the only thing I can think of is that, if Ruiz pitch hits in that situation (1 out/Man on 2nd), it becomes pretty much an automatic IBB instead of just pitching Buck 'carefully' (which he worked into a walk).  Then you'd end up with Buck in for Ruiz after the end of the inning anyway.

What I actually had more trouble wrapping mind around was why Hill didn't PH for McCoy 2 batters later.  Sure, it worked out, but unless Hill was 'hurt', I'd rather have him coming up in that situation.

This whole 'blowing-their-confidence-by-taking-them-out-of-the-game-and-PH'ing-for-them' is really ass-backwards.  Really, it makes it a whole lot easier for the opposing manager when it comes to matchup's, doesn't it? 
binnister - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#213318) #
(ah.  Hill's 'day-to-day'.  Missed that)
Dave Till - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:24 PM EDT (#213319) #
Man oh man, some of you peoples complain too much. Vernon Wells hits a game-tying home run in the 9th inning off of Texas's closer, the Jays rally for three runs to win it, Ricky Romero pitches seven great innings, and all I'm reading are complaints that Cito didn't use Ruiz to pinch-hit. Whoo. You're no fun any more!

More seriously: Cito, from what I've seen and read, is a big believer in stability - letting players stay in a comfort zone. (This, by the way, is why he kept playing Millar at cleanup last year, instead of shuffling people around.) He does this with the pitching staff as well: he finds a guy for the eighth, a guy for the ninth, maybe an occasional spot lefty here and there, and just sticks with it. There are arguments against this approach - I've seen a lot of them here - but I suspect that it can help players to prepare properly for games.

Matthew E - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#213320) #

Here's another way to look at the confidence thing. Let's use Overbay/Ruiz as an example.

The proposition is that by pinch-hitting Ruiz for Overbay, you're hurting Overbay's confidence. But aren't you also showing confidence in Ruiz? It's kind of a zero-sum game, isn't it?

If you leave Overbay in to hit without the platoon advantage, you're putting him in a situation where he won't succeed as often. Ruiz can look at this and say, with some justification, that as badly as Overbay is doing in these situations, the manager must think I'm even worse. Might that not be extra bad for Ruiz's confidence?

So if maximizing confidence is one of our goals here, the thing to do seems to be to put the players in the positions where they can succeed most often. I don't think Gaston's doing that.

Of course, Gaston's approach works perfectly on a roster where the regulars are so much better than the bench players that a) you're always moving away from the optimum when you make a substitution, and b) who cares about the confidence of the bench players anyway? But I don't think that applies to this team either.

Shoeless Joe - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#213321) #
I think the talk of Romero really maturing this off-season might be true. He looked great out there and you can see his increased confidence and mound presence while he is pitching. I think this season is all about answering questions about the holes through the organization and I think Romero will answer all doubts about him being an integral part of our rotation going forward.

lexomatic - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#213322) #
a question for those who`ve seen games. is snider having good at bats? that goes only so far when you K half the time. twice he was up today when a ball in play scores a run and he whiffs.
i hope molina gets released soon. .
Jbar - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#213323) #
Lex, I haven't seen all of Snider's ABs, but in those I have seen he hasn't looked good. In my (admittedly amateur) estimation, he's missed good fastballs to hit and hasn't shown signs of being able to handle breaking stuff yet.
Lefty - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#213324) #
Wow, looks like everybody on Da Box craplist contributed to the win today.
Jdog - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#213325) #

-Good to see Wells get off to a good start, hopefully it will help him feel more comfortable at home this year and he won't have the horrible home/away splits

-Will be hoping Arencibia gets off to a torrid start and earns a midseason promotion as our catching options are looking even worse then they did on paper

-Mccoy doesn't look to even have as much gap power as Inglett did

-Romero and Marcum throw great games and yet Tallet is the only SP with a W

-Lets hope Hill is not out long, or we  have quite a stretch of weakness in the lineup

 

greenfrog - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#213331) #
Round 1 in the 2010 battle of the albatross-like contracts is now complete:

V-Dub (3 G): 600/692/1.800, 4 HR, 6 R, 7 RBI
Alfonso Soriano (3 G): 222/222/333, 0 HR, 1 R, 0 RBI
scottt - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#213334) #
I hope Hill doesn't miss too many games, but  MM has not cooled off from spring training yet, so it's not that bad really.

Overbay is batting .091 with the confidence boosting strategy so far. Yay.

Unless you're losing in the ninth, the backup catcher should stay on the bench. Who would have caught the rest of the game had Buck been hurt during the top of the ninth?

Bautista has now 1 hit and 4 walks.

Go Gonzo Go. That was an amazing series from him.

First game without an EE Error. First rally.

TamRa - Thursday, April 08 2010 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#213339) #
I believe he was saying that AA knew full well Cito's managerial style, but still allowed him to manage the season.

Ergo, any complaint of Cito's 'idiocy' should be directed at AA for allowing him to continue in his current role.

It seems popular opinion is currently positive towards AA and negative towards Cito: 92/93 is suggesting these attitudes do not jive.


Simple.

Beeston.


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