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In unsurprising news, Tony LaCava was offered the job as the General Manager of the Baltimore Orioles today, after meeting with owner Peter Angelos yesterday.

In surprising news, he turned down the offer, electing to remain with the Toronto Blue Jays, saying he prioritized his relationship with Alex Anthopolous and wanted to see through the job they had begun in Toronto.

LaCava stated, “For me, it was how much I love the Toronto Blue Jays and I really, really treasure my relationship with my general manager, Alex Anthopoulos, and I really want to see this through with him. He created a great atmosphere to work up there, along with president Paul Beeston, and it is very hard to leave them.”

This is great news for the Jays and their front office.

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92-93 - Tuesday, November 01 2011 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#246257) #
It's all well and nice for Tony to say that, but it has to be BS. There was something wrong with the Baltimore offer. If he didn't want to leave Toronto and really wanted to see things through, why take the interview elsewhere? This isn't a case of just seeing what's out there, as he'd interviewed for 2 GM jobs previously. I guess LaCava is showing the other 28 teams that he can be trusted to say the right thing that doesn't leave either club exposed to negativity.
BlueJayWay - Tuesday, November 01 2011 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#246258) #
Ha, suck it, Baltimore.

Good news.

whiterasta80 - Tuesday, November 01 2011 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#246260) #

Espionage in my opinion, I can't think of another reason why it'd play out like this.

Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why someone wouldn't want to work for Angelos. I just don't understand why he'd interview in the first place.

electric carrot - Tuesday, November 01 2011 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#246261) #
Interviewing at other places is a great way to get a raise at your old place and to get them to appreciate what you do more because you force them to think about what they're going to do if you're gone.  That's taking nothing away from 92-93's comment because Tony's public statement about loving where the Jays are going etc ... may just be BS.  Most public statements are at least 50% BS.



StephenT - Tuesday, November 01 2011 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#246262) #
Good point e.c.  Billy Beane turned down big bucks from the Red Sox.  Paul DePodesta turned down the Blue Jays.  Interviewers beware.
Thomas - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 03:56 AM EDT (#246264) #
I don't think there was necessarily anything wrong with Baltimore's offer. There may have been or he may have had second thoughts after interviewing with Angelos and getting some read on his behaviour.

However, I think it's equally plausible that LaCava believed he would take the position, if offered, when he began the interview process. Then, at some point during the proceedings he - like I'm sure most of us have had at various points in our lives - reevaluated his thoughts and, when envisioning life outside of Toronto's front office, began to think that the grass may not always be greener. I think it's very possible LaCava is basically telling the truth and doesn't want to leave a situation where he's comfortable, engaged and happy.

That isn't to say he'd have reached the same conclusions if he was interviewing for a GM position with the Diamondbacks or Red Sox or Rangers, as those situations are clearly more appealing than Baltimore. However, I don't think that anything was necessarily "wrong" with Baltimore's offer if that is being used to imply a low salary or a high degree of oversight by ownership.

Also, with LaCava leaving the Jays also probably retain the services of two or three other employees in the front office who LaCava may have offered promotions to and taken with him.
Greg - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 05:03 AM EDT (#246265) #

I think there's any number of reasons LaCava could have gone into his last meeting with Angelos and company with every intention of signing on, only to be convinced otherwise.

Perhaps he wanted 5 years and was unable to convinced them to go more than 3
Perhaps he wanted assurances Showalter (or Angelos for that matter) would not be able to influence the decision making process and didn't ge them
Perhaps he had set amounts to spend on the draft and in Latin America that Baltimore refused to guarantee

The impression I get from all of this is that LaCava wants to GM.  But he wants to GM on his terms, or not at all.

Forkball - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#246266) #
This article was pretty specific on why things fell apart, that seems plausible:  http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2011/11/lacava-staying-with-blue-jays.html

Update: I've talked to multiple people who are close to LaCava, and a few within the organization. Here's what I've been told:

LaCava wasn't concerned with possible interference from ownership or Showalter in the daily operations of the ballclub. Money also wasn't an issue. However, there were disagreements over some personnel moves he wanted to make.

Also, LaCava is happy in Toronto. If the situation didn't suit him perfectly, he wasn't going to leave. But he most certainly was willing to do so at one point or he wouldn't have come to Baltimore twice for interviews.

Update II: I'm also hearing that LaCava had the authority to bring in multiple people from the Blue Jays and outside the organization. He could have done some reshaping of the organization. And he apparently left Baltimore yesterday still encouraged about the job, which is what I heard and wrote yesterday.

As mentioned, perhaps the best part of this happening, besides the O's having some egg on their face, is that there's several people on the Jays' staff who will remain that probably would have gone with LaCava.

It does seem interesting that it fell apart simply on some proposed personnel moves, which I guess ultimately goes back to interference that a GM wouldn't want to have to deal with from one source or another.  (If I'm a GM candidate and I'm worried about interference, I wonder if I throw out some crazy proposals to see what the reaction is.)
Thomas - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#246267) #
(If I'm a GM candidate and I'm worried about interference, I wonder if I throw out some crazy proposals to see what the reaction is.)

....at which point you may no longer be a GM candidate.

Thanks for the link. Interesting reading.

John Northey - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 09:39 AM EDT (#246268) #
I'm sure he looked at Baltimore and felt that he'd need everything to go right to win, as the division is crazy hard with Yankees, Red Sox and unlimited budgets, Jays who could be up there soon, and Tampa with a very smart front office. If Baltimore is to win they need to be doing the Jays/Rays method with tons of kids coming up and mixing in a few free agents when the time is right.

I suspect he proposed trading a few older players who are popular and maybe even a few kids saying it is a long term process to shift the O's from last to first while the manager wants the team to be a winner now.
Mike Green - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#246270) #
I suspect that the proposal to burn an effigy of Cal Ripken on Opening Day did not go down well. :)

It would be good for baseball, and the city, if Baltimore had a decent management team.  Showalter is a good start.   The roots of baseball in Baltimore are deep, going back to Jack Dunn. Babe Ruth and Lefty Grove and through the Dalton-Weaver era which carried us well into the 80s.  The reinvigoration of the Tigers under Dombrowski was welcome, and so too would be the rebirth of the Orioles, much as it might make the task of Anthopolous more difficult. 

Forkball - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#246271) #
I wonder if LaCava proposed trading Markakis (who I believe he's an Angelos favorite).  He's 28 next season and is under contract for the next three years (with an option). 

If you're going to tear down and build up, where you won't be in contention for several years, that doesn't seem like an outlandish thought to trade him.  But if you're the O's it might be.

I can't imagine any other players that might be a deal breaker.
John Northey - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#246275) #
What is interesting is this decision has helped the Jays in multiple ways. The obvious, keeping LaCava, but also in making it that much harder for Baltimore to hire anyone good as their GM. I mean, after seeing this anyone who is a strong GM candidate has to be going 'am I sure I want to even interview there'.

Odds are they will either get an older experienced GM who is near retirement but wants one last kick at the can (ie: mid-60's), or a younger one who wants to get their feet wet and figures they can get another GM job in a decade or so (ie: candidate is in late 20's early 30's) while being someone else's assistant after Baltimore fires them due to the team not improving fast enough.
bpoz - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#246277) #
JP Richardi?
Shane - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#246278) #

The Update said this:

Update: I've talked to multiple people who are close to LaCava, and a few within the organization. Here's what I've been told:

LaCava wasn't concerned with possible interference from ownership or Showalter in the daily operations of the ballclub. Money also wasn't an issue. However, there were disagreements over some personnel moves he wanted to make.

And Forkball said:

"It does seem interesting that it fell apart simply on some proposed personnel moves, which I guess ultimately goes back to interference that a GM wouldn't want to have to deal with from one source or another."

Roch Kubatko should have written this differently should he have not? He's contradicting himself within 3 sentences. How can he not be "concerned with interference" but apparently did not jive with the fact there were "disagreements over some personnel moves he wanted to make". Angelos and/or Showalter were the problems and the reasons.

Ducey - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#246279) #
Perhaps Lacava was going to be given a free hand but then was told ownership would not support a full blown rebuild
John Northey - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#246280) #
Looking into the offseason it is interesting to look at baseball-reference as they list estimated payrolls (based on guys currently on the team, not factoring in free agents).

Jays are at $77.2 million. Johnson, Francisco, Rauch, Camp, Molina are all replaced by minimum salary guys in this estimate.

What is interesting though is seeing how far ahead of the rest of their division each money leader is and how far back the lowest cash team is. Percentages are how much the team with the lower payroll would have to increase it to catch the team above them.

AL East...
Yankees: 23.9% ahead of Red Sox
Rays: 37.9% behind the Jays

AL Central...
White Sox: 9% ahead of Tigers
Royals: 16% behind Cleveland

AL West...
Angels: 12.3% ahead of Rangers (for now)
A's: 49.6% behind Mariners

NL East...
Phillies: 53.8% ahead of Mets
Nationals: 14.8% behind Marlins

NL Central...
Brewers: 2.0% ahead of Cardinals
Pirates: 90.2% behind Astros (!!!!!)

NL West...
Giants: 41.6% ahead of Rockies
Padres: 11.2% behind Diamondbacks

Wow, the Pirates are stealing - at just $41.9 million they are 33.6% behind the Rays (2nd lowest projected payroll in MLB). The Phillies are worse than the Yankees, as are the Giants for outspending their own division although in both cases it is largely due to very big market teams (should easily support $120 million payrolls) not working like that (Dodgers & Mets).

Pittsburgh also has just one guy with a contract worth over $1 million guaranteed for 2012 - Kevin Correia, a RHP starter with a lifetime 88 ERA+ who has failed to qualify for the ERA title 2 years running. Ick. Only José Tabata has a contract running to 2013 and beyond - a LF with a 101 lifetime OPS+ who never showed much statistically beyond the fact he is entering his age 23 season and has 2 years in the majors.
Anders - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#246281) #
LaCava is going to get a GM job at some point, and I don't think you can blame him for holding out for a better spot than Baltimore. Whatever his true intentions were/are, going to the interview (and being the presumptive candidate) certainly do not hurt his stock. If you fail once at being a GM it's certainly not a guarantee you get a second chance (look at Paul DePodesta,) so either he decided before or after that he wanted to wait for a better situation where he felt his chances for success were better.

There are some good thoughts in this Fangraphs piece: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/lacava-turns-down-baltimore-gm-job/

Mike Green - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#246283) #
Well, they announced the GG awards.  Somehow, Brett Gardner did not receive one.  Gordon, Ellsbury and Markakis form the AL Golden outfield. These choices are better than a Shannon Stewart MVP vote, but not by much. 
TamRa - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#246284) #
"Jays are at $77.2 million."

Don't smell right to me. I'd need to look at it but my estimate is just slightly over $60 million

The swing seems to be in Arbitration estimates. There figure is almost exactly twice mine. And mine is twice the total of what the same players made in 2011. Here's the list:

Morrow (2nd arb year)- $2.3 in '11, I project $5 in '12
Janssen 93) - 1.095 - 2.25
Villianueva (3) - 1.415 - 2.5
Listch (2) - 0.83 - 1.5
McGowan (3) - 0.45 - 0.75
Carlson 92) - 0.45 - 0.6
Rasmus (1) - 0.446 - 1.52

And a couple of those - Rasmus in particular - I'm uncomfortable with how high I went. I can't imagine how their formula came up with twice that. for reference, MLBTR has their own formula and here's what they came up with (as a third column added to the above list):

Morrow (2)- $2.3 - $5 - 4.1
Janssen 93) - 1.095 - 2.25 - 1.5
Villianueva (3) - 1.415 - 2.5 - 2.0
Listch (2) - 0.83 - 1.5 - 1.3
McGowan (3) - 0.45 - 0.75 - 0.7
Carlson 92) - 0.45 - 0.6 - 0.7
Rasmus (1) - 0.446 - 1.52 - 2.8

so there total is 13.1 million, whereas mine is 14.12 amd B-R is over $28 million

I'm pretty confident in my figures and I suggest our standing payroll estimate going into the off-season is more like $60 million. (and i still think the Rasmus projection is possibly too high but it's not a big factor)

smcs - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#246292) #
Well, they announced the GG awards.  Somehow, Brett Gardner did not receive one.  Gordon, Ellsbury and Markakis form the AL Golden outfield. These choices are better than a Shannon Stewart MVP vote, but not by much.

Brett Gardner and Peter Bourjos wuz robbed.
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#246296) #

When applying for a G.M. you must have control over decisions to at least some degree.   That includes Front Office, Manager, Coaching Staff and Players.  Without that, walk away.

When determining payroll estimates, Guarenteed Contracts are locked, Pre-Arb numbers are minimally changing, Arbitration numbers are difficult.   Checking comparable's numbers to a player's value helps.   The biggest increases go to those who have good years: Morrow, Janssen, Villanueva.  Smallest increases go to those who have less than decent years: Carlson, Rasmus.   The toughest decision on increases go to those with years in between: Litsch, McGowan.

I would give Morrow a 3-year contract, with 1-2 option years (saving $$$).   Other decisions????  

For Arb Numbers, TamRa is generally much more accurate, so I would go with those.

dawgatc - Wednesday, November 02 2011 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#246298) #
T he personnel moves blocking Lacava's departure must be in the back office ; don't see much on the field that would cause friction.
Magpie - Thursday, November 03 2011 @ 02:02 AM EDT (#246304) #
Brett Gardner and Peter Bourjos wuz robbed.

I agree completely, but Alex Gordon and those 20 BaseRunner Kills (from a left fielder?) is really, really impressive.
Gerry - Thursday, November 03 2011 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#246364) #
Two more points on LaCava:

It was reported today that LaCava wanted to remove several of Baltimore's front office employees and Angelos sad no. That would mean LaCava would have less than an ideal staff plus several subordinates who would likely have the ear of Angelos to undermine him.

Secondly, AA said today that they gave another major league club permission to talk to LaCava this off season but LaCava turned them down for geographical reasons. That sounds like Anaheim called.

LaCava lives in Pittsburgh and didn't want to be out on the west coast.
Shane - Friday, November 04 2011 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#246389) #
Apparently during the conference call this week, Anthopoulos said that the "Jays staff gave Tony LaCava a standing ovation when the assistant GM returned to work" after he'd wrapped up his Orioles stuffz. That's a pretty neat moment from your co-workers.
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