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New Hampshire and Dunedin won in extra innings. The GCL Jays won in regulation. Buffalo were blown out. Vancouver and Bluefield lost tight one's. Lansing had the day off. Generally it was a quiet night on the farm with few standout performances. Several 17 year olds are delivering good performances in the Jays system. One of the most notable, Eric Pardinho, started for Bluefield last night and was popping 97's on the radar gun. 17 year old Leonardo Jimenez had two hits for the GCL Jays. And 17 year old, who you never heard of, Erickvi Celedonio had three hits for the DSL Jays.


The Bisons lost 10-2 and were down 10-0 until Danny Jansen hit a two run home run in the ninth. The Bison hitters had just three hits and Jansen had two of them. Anthony Alford had the other hit. The Bisons were held down by the Josh Smith's. Josh D Smith went six innings and Josh A Smith went three.

Nick Tepesch started and gave up five runs was pulled with two outs in the third. Luis Santos and Al Alburquerque did no better.

New Hampshire

When you need to score ten runs to win in extra innings it is a sign that your pitching was not good. This game went ten innings and New Hampshire prevailed 10-9. Connor Panas drove in the ninth run in extras to go with a two run home run he hit earlier. Jon Berti doubled in Panas for the winning run. Bo Bichette, Juan Kelly and Patrick Cantwell also had two hits each. The offense was distributed, eight players had a hit and six drove in a run.

Josh DeGraaf is finding it hard to find his groove in AA. He was charged with five runs and his ERA is now 7.27. Four relievers, Nick Hartman, Jose Fernandez, Zach Jackson and Andrew Case all let Erie score.


Dunedin won 5-4 in eleven innings. The winning run came via a sac fly from Nash Knight. Eduard Pinto had two hits, one of them a three run home run. John LaPrise also had two hits. Logan Warmoth has missed the last two games but has not been placed on the DL.

Zach Logue pitched seven innings and allowed three runs on seven hits. Catcher Jonelvy Molina pitched the top of the eleventh and picked up the win. Former Blue Jay, until the Dickey trade, Wuilmer Becerra is now 23 years old and hitting .182 in the FSL.


Lansing are on their all-star break.


The C's lost 5-4 but were outhit 10-4. Catcher Reilly Johnson hit his first professional home run, a two run shot. The Jays 4th round pick in this years draft Sean Wymer started and was hit around.

Our own #2JBrumfield was at the game and posted a detailed report here.


The Jays lost 2-0 even though they outhit their opponents 7-3. All three hits by Johnson City led to the two runs. Two singles led to the only run given up by Eric Pardinho. The third hit was a solo home run off newly drafted Troy Watson. Pardinho threw 65 pitches and his line was 4 2 1 1 2 5. After Pardinho five relievers pitched an inning each.

The Jays offense was led by Patrick Morris and Davis Schneiderwho had two hits each. Schneider played second base.

GCL Jays

The GCL Jays won 3-2 despite having just five hits. Through five innings the Jays had two hits, both by 17 year old Leonardo Jimenez. They added two more hits, and three runs, in the sixth. Gabe Molina had a one out triple. He scored on a single from Joseph Reyes. A couple of walks loaded the bases and then an error let the two other runs score.

Two pitchers threw for the Jays. 20 year old Juan Diaz celebrated turning 20 yesterday by throwing five shutout innings. 18 year old Alvery De Los Santos pitched the last four innings and he conceded the two runs.

The DSL Jays lost 6-5 in a walk-off. Miguel Hiraldo picked up his usual two hits. 17 year old Erickvi Celedonio went 3-4.

3 Stars

3rd star: Erickvi Celedonio

2nd star: Juan Diaz

1st star: Connor Panas


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bpoz - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#360312) #
Our FO was busy on July 2,2017. They signed OF E Celedonio, P E Pardinho and SS L Jimenez who is 6 and 5 months younger than the other 2.

They all are having a good start to the season.

I think it would be a good move to trade for Int'l cap room at the trade deadline. Does any one know the limit on how much we can acquire? Also who is currently penalized and cannot spend their cap room anyway?
Marc Hulet - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#360318) #
You missed Hiraldo, who was also signed July 2 last year... This MLB Pipeline article answers all of your questions:
bpoz - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#360322) #
Thanks Marc H. I read that list earlier. It is much longer than Hiraldo and the guys I mentioned. I just checked on Rainer Nunez who is someone that I like because he is off to a good start in the DSL. Same age as E Celenodio but signed July 5th. Close enough to July 2nd.
John Northey - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#360330) #
Kind of miss the 80's when it seemed like the Jays owned the Dominican when it came to baseball players.  No question the international free agent signings are vital though - just hard to know what they are getting as these kids will need 6+ years to get close to the majors, let alone play there unless they are superstars (Vlad who could reach with just 3 seasons in the minors). 

The Jays are tied to #4 - Orelvis Martinez - a right handed SS with a good bat born post 9/11.  Exciting quote: "Some scouts look at Martinez and see Rangers third baseman Adrian Beltre at the same age"

#9 is Cuban Osiel Rodriguez a RHP is not tied to anyone right now and would be sweet to get ... a 16 year old 97 MPH fastball with good control.

Most of the top 30 are listed as 'likely to sign' with certain teams.  Rodriguez is the top one not listed that way.  C'mon Jays lets get 2 of the top 10!  Get hot prospects to reach when Vlad gets close to free agency.
hypobole - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#360336) #
Hiraldo is Vladding. 4-4, 1 BB today. .429
finch - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#360337) #
If Hiraldo becomes a Bo Bichette part two...oh man!!
Mike Green - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#360338) #
Groshans and Conine are having nice games with the bat in the GCL too.  Groshans has made 3 errors however, while Conine had another baserunner kill.  Conine turns 21 in a month. 
Hodgie - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#360339) #
Interesting times. In full season ball, Jays prospects have the highest wRC+ in the International (Jansen), Eastern (Guerrero), and Midwest (Smith) leagues of all qualified hitters. Smith would be fourth in Florida State if he had enough at-bats. Is that good?
hypobole - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#360340) #
Leonardo Jimenez just turned 17 a month ago. Very nice start in the GCL.

3 GP, 11 AB, 5 H, 2 2B, 2 BB, 2 K.
bpoz - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#360341) #
G Conine will be in Vancouver soon I imagine, old for the GCL. But Groshans is the right age for the GCL. He is doing great.

The new measure I am using is bb/k ratio because of Vlad. For that ratio, young Groshans is 3/3.
85bluejay - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#360345) #
Here's hoping before the summer is over, Hiraldo moves stateside - Hiraldo & Groshans are the potential 3B of the future for the Jays (once Vladdy moves to 1B) - will be interesting to see if the Jays would have both on same roster.
Gerry - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#360347) #
Rob Fai is reporting that former prospect Tom Robson has decided to retire after two TJ surgeries.

Its tough to be a pitching prospect.
hypobole - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#360348) #
Jays are trying to give reps at SS for Groshans, Jimenez, and Barger already in the GCL. Hiraldo would just complicate things further.
mendocino - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#360350) #
Next year might be easier to get playing time at short in GCL?
Miguel Hiraldo, Orelvis Martinez and Hugo Cardona
scottt - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#360351) #
Robson was 4th round pick in 2011 who signed for 325K out of a BC high school.

Yeah, it's tough.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#360353) #
Some teams have 4 rookie league affiliates, in addition to one short-season and four A ball and higher affiliates.  It might make it easier to deal with a shortstop crunch in the first year or two after signing. 
hypobole - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#360354) #
The teams with 4 rookie affiliates are those with 2 in the Dominican, no? Do any have 3 stateside?
Mike Green - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#360355) #
The Yankees have 3 affiliates stateside.
hypobole - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#360356) #
I checked.

Some teams have 3 stateside Rookie, but no Short Season.
Some have 2 stateside Rookie, 2 DSL.
The Yankees are the only team with 3 stateside Rookie plus a SS.
mendocino - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#360359) #
catcher Ridge Smith has also retired.

Thursday, June 21, 2018

LHP Craig Breslow - rehab w/ GCL
RHP Tom Robson - retired
C Ridge Smith - retired
RHP Juan Meza - 7-day DL @ Blu
hypobole - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#360360) #
Is there any hope for Juan Meza? Seems another big money bust like Cardona.
jerjapan - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#360368) #
Robson was 4th round pick in 2011 who signed for 325K out of a BC high school.

Yeah, it's tough.

right.  because 20 year olds shouldn't have dreams, blah blah. 

Sorry, but that was a gross comment. 

Gerry - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#360369) #
The yeah its tough might have been referring to my comment that its tough to be a pitching prospect.
bpoz - Thursday, June 21 2018 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#360371) #
I had high hopes for Robson.
scottt - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 07:01 AM EDT (#360376) #
It is tough.

325K/7 years + 2 TJ operations?

He was drafted out of high school. He wasn't 20 year old.
I wasn't quite 16 when I finished high school. Finished university at 20

Hopefully he has something decent to fall back on.

scottt - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 07:56 AM EDT (#360378) #
With Robson, the talent was there.

Mike Green - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#360383) #
Noda went 3-4 with a double and a triple last night.  Everything is there now- the power and the plate control.    Kevin Smith hit another homer for Dunedin. 
Mike Green - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 09:19 AM EDT (#360386) #
John Lott has a fabulous article over at the Athletic on Eric Pardinho, with pictures from Pardinho's first start in Bluefield.  One teaser: he's not 5'10", 155 at 17. He's much heavier than that-his legs look more like Tom Seaver's than Pedro Martinez's- and he says that he is 205. 

We'll see whether Pearson can come back strong after his injury, but if he does and if Pardinho pitches in Bluefield the way I think he will, the Blue Jays may have the best farm system in baseball at the end of the year.  They are going to need it compete because the Yankees look awfully good, top to bottom. 
uglyone - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#360387) #
I'm personally not gonna buy in on Noda until he does it after moving up a level, but he's definitely getting interesting.
finch - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#360391) #
And the prospect pool should be a lot stronger if and when they move some of their vets at the deadline like Happ, Donaldson and Granderson. You would think Happ would fetch a top 50 prospect plus a talented player in the lower levels in the minors. Not sure what Donaldson nets as a return.
greenfrog - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#360395) #
The return for Happ will depend in part on what he does over his next handful of starts. If heís at the top of his game, the return could be quite good. If he regresses or has a health issue, the return will be less impressive.
hypobole - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#360398) #
Yeah, I've thinking along similar lines for the past month.
Doesn't matter if we win or lose, as long as Happ stays healthy and effective.

Started counting at 12; Happ is now at about 6 more starts before the deadline. Big game for him Monday vs the Astros.
uglyone - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#360401) #
let's take a look at what exactly Happ has done recently.

1 Calendar Yrs: 33gs, 79era-, 83fip-, 90xfip-, 4.2war/32gs
2 Calendar Yrs: 58gs, 78era-, 83fip-, 88xfip-, 4.2war/32gs

1 Calendar Yrs: 4.3fwar (15th MLB), 4.2ra9war (22nd MLB)
2 Calendar Yrs: 7.2fwar (15th MLB), 8.0ra9war (14th MLB)

Much to my egg-faced surprise, the guy has consistently been a legit #1SP in baseball for a good while now. Not quite an "Ace", but a clearcut top-30 guy and arguably top-20.

I'm not sure the next few starts would make much of a difference to his trade value - or that we should even be worried that the next few starts will be any different than the usual.
greenfrog - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#360409) #
The market can be fickle, and Happ likely still carries some baggage from the mediocre phase of his career. Any sign of reversion to his former self in the next month will probably still give potential buyers pause. Itís different than (say) 2015, when Price had an entire career of excellence that Dombrowski could rely on as a selling point.
bpoz - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#360415) #
Yu Darvish was a rental last year. Could we get a similar deal for Happ and Donaldson each. If healthy of course.
hypobole - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#360422) #
"Happ likely still carries some baggage from the mediocre phase of his career."

Only among fanbases. Happ has been consistently very good since Searage fixed him in August 2015. That's a very lengthy track record of almost 3 full seasons.
scottt - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#360451) #
The return for Herrera was modest. The return for Darvish didn't impress me. I'm not setting myself up for disappointment with the return for Happ.

Happ has a very good chance to win 20 games for the second time in his career. As far as I know, he's still QO eligible, so the Jays would get a least a second round pick by keeping him. The return needs to be better than that, so probably 2 or 3 players.
The Jays are flushed with catchers, Guerrero is on target to start at 3rd next year. They still have Tulo and some options at middle infield. DH/1B types are pretty cheap nowadays and Tellez could still turn out OK.
They already have Pillar, Grichuk, Hernandez, Alford, Pompey, Smith JR in the outfield.

The real need is top pitching prospects. Yet, I don't think anybody trades a top starter in high minor for 2 or 3 months.
So, it's going to be interesting to see what they can get.

hypobole - Friday, June 22 2018 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#360453) #
Pipeline has the 3 kids Texas got for Darvish rated #2, 16 and 28. That's not a bad haul for a pure rental.

We won't get that much for Happ, but we'll get more than a QO draft pick. And yeah, it's pitching the FO should try to target.
bpoz - Saturday, June 23 2018 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#360473) #
2015 is not a long time ago. We got D Price as a rental. He was a big part of us getting into the playoffs. The prospects may have been a lot at that time. The time was July 2015. Also D Price may have had a bigger salary than Happ.
tercet - Sunday, June 24 2018 @ 01:03 AM EDT (#360515) #
Robson in Spring Training was talking in the open about another elbow injury and that he was getting it looked at near the end of ST.

I'm not sure whether he got tommy john, but either way it was a rough few years with the various injuries.
scottt - Sunday, June 24 2018 @ 08:37 AM EDT (#360519) #
Yeah, but we got 3 high ranked prospects for Doc, a pitcher who couldn't throw enough strikes, a center field who couldn't hit enough to get on base and a very good catcher who couldn't stay healthy.

Hernandez is a fantastic hitter, but his defense is really bad.

hypobole - Sunday, June 24 2018 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#360526) #
Doc wasn't a 2 month rental. And Taylor was a corner OF not a CF (you thinking of Gose?)

But at the time of the trade, it was a good haul for a guy who had already told management hew was leaving.
bpoz - Sunday, June 24 2018 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#360527) #
We also gave $6 mil to the Phillies. Since Doc was an elite player we probably get 2 draft picks for. I think that is how it works.
Trades are unsure but the $6 mil is a definite.
uglyone - Sunday, June 24 2018 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#360547) #
It was a bad deal, but his hands were tied.

There's no way they should have got Doc without giving up their best prospect, even if Brown busted anyways.
Parker - Monday, June 25 2018 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#360600) #
If there's truth to the rumours that the Rangers are shopping Beltre, it looks like a strong buyer's market for 3rd base rentals. Seems almost a foregone conclusion that the Jays keep Donaldson and QO him. Unless he comes back strong this year, he'll probably accept it.

The Jays could do worse than another year of Donaldson at $18M or whatever it is, even if age and injuries are inevitably catching up to him. If this is the case, at least there won't be a big rush to get Vlad Jr. to the Majors if he happens to not annihilate AAA pitching next year.
bpoz - Monday, June 25 2018 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#360605) #
Good humor in the other thread Parker.

After what happened to Moustakas in KC Players may accept the QO. Moustakas becomes a "free" FA this year as only 1 QO per player. Also players like Cobb are risky to sign as FAs.
Injury risk and poor performance risk are quite common. The loss of a pick and the draft budget is the biggest negative I believe. I suppose Cobb is a #3 pitcher, just a little better than Estrada.

This is Cobb's worst "healthy year". Is it due to the Baltimore defense?
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