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Two 18 year olds, Jordan Groshans and Gabriel Moreno knocked out three hits and are leading the way for the GCL Jays. The GCL Jays and the DSL Jays won. Bo Bichette had a couple of doubles to get New Hampshire a win. Vancouver got great pitching and won via a shutout. Buffalo, Dunedin, Lansing and Bluefield all lost.


Buffalo built a 3-0 lead versus Durham. Jonathan Davis started the third inning with an infield single. He moved up to second and scored when Dalton Pompey singled. Rowdy Tellez made it 2-0 in the fourth with his eighth home run. Anthony Alford followed with a single and Reese McGuire doubled him in. Thomas Pannone pitched shutout ball through six innings. He gave up a lead off home run in the seventh and a lead off triple in the eighth and now it was a 3-2 game. Pannone was done and Jose Fernandez came out for the ninth. A single and a home run left Buffalo down 4-3. The game ended when Roemon Fields was thrown out stealing. For a fast runner he does not have a good record on steals with 22 steals and 14 caught.

The Bisons had just six hits, Reese McGuire was the only hitter with two. It will be interesting to see what the Jays do with him in September. Pannone's line was 8 6 2 2 0 9.

New Hampshire

The Fisher Cats went down 3-0 in the third inning. That inning featured four hits and an error and was the only trouble for TJ Zeuch. In his other five innings Zeuch conceded just three hits. His line was 6 7 3 2 0 3.

New Hampshire started the comeback in the third, Andrew Guillotte led off with a double and scored on a ground out by Bo Bichette. Bichette doubled to lead off the seventh and scored on an error. In that same inning Cavan Biggio delivered a sac fly to tie the game. Guillotte singled in the go-ahead run in the eighth. Bichette stroked his second double into the left field gap to bring in two more runs and give him three RBI. Andrew Case picked up his seventh save.


Dunedin lost 4-2. Maverik Buffo had two bad innings and four good ones. In the second inning three extra base hits led to two runs. In the sixth, a couple of walks and a couple of hits led to two more and now Buffo has let in four runs.

In the fifth inning Dunedin bunched four singles to score two runs. They had four other hits in the game. Logan Warmoth and Ivan Castillo had two hits each. Kevin Smith was 0-4.


Lansing did not have good pitching on this night. Maximo Castillo gave up five runs on eight hits in five innings. Dalton Rodriguez gave up five hits in three innings. The three Lugnut pitchers had two strikeouts between them and three home runs allowed.

Ryan Noda had a good night, he was 3-3 with a walk. Kevin Vicuna and Reggie Pruitt had two hits each.


Vancouver scored a single run in five straight innings from the fourth to the eighth. Vinny Capra homered, his second of the season. Otto Lopez, Yorman Rodriguez and Tanner Kirwer each had one hit and each of them is hitting over .300. McGregory Contreras was the only hitter with two hits.

The C's used four pitchers and held Hillsboro to just two hits. Joey Murray went two innings, one hit. Sean Wymer went three, one hit. Wymer had four K's. Fitz Stadler went three innings, he walked one and struck out four. Connor Lawworked a perfect ninth.


Nathanael Perez was evicted from this game quickly, six runs allowed in two innings. Adams Cuevas pitched four innings of relief with just one hit. Unfortunately it was a home run and the winning run in a 7-6 loss.

Dominic Abbadessa, Rafael Lantigua and Davis Schneider picked up two hits. Abbadessa and Lantigua are hitting in the 360's. Alejandro Kirk had one hit and two RBI. Hector Guerrero was just promoted from the GCL but went 0-3.

GCL Blue Jays

The Jays won 5-2 and held the Braves to just three hits. Starter Rafael Monsion pitched five innings of two hit ball, no walks, six strikeouts. It was a very good start by the 18 year old. In 23 innings this season Monsion has only walked 3 with 20 K's. Alvery De Los Santos pitched the last three innings with just one baserunner, promptly eliminated with a double play. De Los Santos turned 19 yesterday. He has a low ERA at 1.42, he restricts hits and walks, but has just 8 strikeouts in 19 innings. He does have a significant groundball tendency.

Two 18 year olds are leading the Jays offense. The leading hitter is Gabriel Moreno. He was 3-5 with a double, he is hitting .419. Jordan Groshans also had three hits including a double and his third home run. He is hitting .372. Steward Berroa had two hits.

DSL Blue Jays

The Jays won 7-2 in a rain shortened affair. 19 year old Cuban Lazaro Estrada pitched six innings with just one earned run allowed. He has a 2.89 ERA.

Jose Rivas, Alberto Rodriguez and Erickvi Celedonio each had two hits. Miguel Hiraldo picked up a double.

Three Stars

Third Star - Bo Bichette

Second Star - Gabriel Moreno

First Star - Jordan Groshans


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Mike Green - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#361985) #
Since his return from bereavement leave, Tellez is 5-15 with a double and 2 homers, 2 walks and 3 Ks.  I'm rooting for him. 
whiterasta80 - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#361993) #
Sorry wrong thread with this before.

Question: Is there anything Groshans can do to get promoted, or should he remain there for the rest of the year and keep his confidence high going into next season.

I'm normally a rapid promotion guy but I vote the latter.
Mike Green - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#361994) #
He's just out of high school, and he gets to hang out with his buddy Kloffenstein in Florida and have a lot of success on the field.  What more could you want from an 18 year old?  I imagine that the club will send both to Lansing in 2019, but they might start Kloffenstein in extended. 
hypobole - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#361996) #
Depends on Groshan's personality. Some players with success get too full of themselves (not taking coaching as well as other players) and need to be promoted to fail and get humbled. Others will continue working on aspects that need improvement and are helped by the positive aspects of success.

However I wouldn't be surprised if he does get a promotion before year's end, just because very good players do need to be promoted at some point.
Gerry - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 10:36 AM EDT (#361999) #
If Bluefield or Vancouver are in the playoffs he could get sent there for that. Teams like to expose their prospects to the higher pressure games.
bpoz - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 10:38 AM EDT (#362000) #
Does anyone know the status of Kloffenstein?
Maldoff - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#362001) #
Does anyone know what happened to Travis Hosterman? He hasn't pitched in over two years!
hypobole - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#362003) #
Asked the same question a while back. Even Google doesn't have a clue.
Mike Green - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#362004) #
Hosterman and Kloffenstein?  Sounds like a cross between Haldeman and Ehrlichman and Rosencratz and Guildenstern.  Supporting players in a  tragic and comic cover-up then.  Topical.

Kloffenstein is in Florida working presumably with the Jays' developmental team.  It makes a lot of sense to not have high school pitching prospects throw competitively after the draft.  Overuse is a big issue for a young arm, and you have 5 years before you need to make the 40 man decision. 
hypobole - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#362005) #
It makes a lot of sense to not have high school pitching prospects throw competitively after the draft.

Mike, someone mention Texas as thinking the same way. 3 of their top 4 picks this year were HS pitchers. They have thrown zero competitive innings combined so far.
whiterasta80 - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#362006) #
The fact that he hasn't thrown an inning yet gives support Mike's suggested development plan for next year.
bpoz - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#362007) #
I wonder how the Int'l FA signings happen. The Jays have Tinnish there working and communicating with some of his contacts. Also the Jays have a facility.

Do things happen this way. I am probably wrong. We support and finance some DR baseball schools run by former players. Lets say Alberto, Juan and Felipe run 3 schools. They get money from the Jays to operate the school. Jay's schools produce various players. Lets say a Jay's school produced Miguel Hiraldo so he was ours when our guy found him and enrolled him at 14 or 15.
Was Vlad in our school? Ronald Acuna was not. Atlanta. The Brazilian E Pardhino and Leo Jimenez from Panama were not in our schools I assume.
mendocino - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#362008) #

Hosterman on Van 60 day DL
jerjapan - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#362009) #
Hosterman scored a 400K bonus as an 11th rounder out of HS, so someone in the org clearly liked the kid.
Tellez is in the midst of his best run in AAA, and with everything kid's gone through, I'm pulling for him too. 

Speaking of promotions, Cal Stevenson could use another one.  his .504 OBP and perfect eight for eight in SB, 12Ks / 32 BBs are making me pay attention.  as a 10th round senior signing, he got 5K, $120K less than fellow CF Hunter Steinmetz, picked in the 11th round.  only 3 months older, he badly outperformed Steinmetz in Bluefield, and yet Steinmetz is the one in Vancouver, where he is struggling offensively again.  It seems a stark illustration of the org's approach to promotion - they are not so concerned about a small sample size compared to internal assessments of a player. 
Mike Green - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#362010) #
Cal Stevenson.  Memories of Jayce Tingler.

He might have a little more power.  Anyways, he'll be in full-season ball next year one way or the other, and he is a longshot. 
ISLAND BOY - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#362011) #
Keith Law has ranked Vlad Jr. as the second best prospect behind Fernando Tatis Jr. I don't know anything about Tatis Jr. so is this justified ? Law has concerns about Vlad's ability to remain at third given his size and the fact he may only get bigger. To me, though, the fact that he can tear the cover off the ball, hit for average and has terrific pitch recognition with more walks than strikes means more. Vlad could be a full-time DH at some point in his career, but more than worrying about a position for him, I'd be concerned that getting bigger might mean more injuries, especially to his legs.
hypobole - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#362012) #
This is Law on Tatis:

Tatis is now 19, raking in Double-A, showing strong plate discipline along with plus raw power, at least a 70 arm, plus speed, tremendous instincts, and quick hands on both sides of the ball -- even when it comes to the transfer on double plays or how well he tags runners. He did have a rough April, having skipped high-A entirely, but from May 1 until he left for the Futures Game, he hit .333/.406/.577, and his home park in San Antonio is not a good place for power.

He could still outgrow shortstop, but right now he looks like a plus defender there, and he'll be easily plus or better if he has to move to third. If you don't see a high-impact player here, you need to look again.
hypobole - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#362013) #
And Law on Bo"

15. Bo Bichette, SS, Toronto Blue Jays

If you think Bichette stays at shortstop, he's probably a tier low on this list, but I have seen him three times this year and still don't think he stays there. Instead, he's likely to slide over to second base, where he'll be no worse than average on defense while hitting for average with 15 or so homers, a zillion doubles and seeming to be in three places at once any time he's on the field. Also, he has plus hair.
hypobole - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#362014) #
2080 Baseball just just put out their Top 125 midseason. They have Vlad #1, Robles #2, Tatis #3. However they have Bo at #21.
Mike Green - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#362015) #
Tatis has strong plate discipline?  He's struck out 109 times in 88 games this year, 141 times in 131 games last year.  Steamer projects that he'd hit .221/.281/.353.  For comparision, Steamer's line for Bo Bichette is .265/.312/.403, and for Vlad Jr.  .296/.356/.468. 

Tatis is a very good prospect because of the defensive side of his game, but "strong plate discipline" is not his situation.  He's got power and he will take a walk.  And now it looks like he will be out for the rest of the season with a thumb injury. 

Kudos for the "plus hair" evaluation for Bo.  Fortunately, hair sustainability is not patrilineal. 
cybercavalier - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#362017) #
About names, Tatis the grandson -- Fernando Gabriel Tatis Medina -- mentioned in previous posts was born in 1999; his father Fernando Tatis 1975, his grandfather Fernando Aanonio Tatis 1950. So it is three generations of MLB baseball players from grandfather, father to the person. Is this Tatis born in 1999 or going to be referred to as Fernando Tatis III or Fernando Tatis Jr. II ?
Spifficus - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#362018) #
I'm not bent out of shape in terms of whether Vlad or Tatis is 1 or 2, since it just depends on what you see in the details. Either way, both are the best prospects in the game. I also put Robles in that category given his 4 plus skills and average power in CF. And put me in the "Bo's a tier too low" group, as this is the first time I've heard someone say this year that he probably won't stick at short. Standing out in my mind is Ben Bader, who saw him a lot earlier in the year and noted that he sees him as a definite shortstop now. To me, he's in the tier right behind the top triumvirate (with Jimenez the membrane between the tiers).
scottt - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#362019) #
Jansen at 78, low risk, average defensive skills.
greenfrog - Friday, July 20 2018 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#362026) #
Tatis has suffered a thumb injury that sounds fairly significant:

Tough break for the 19-year-old.
Glevin - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 05:54 AM EDT (#362053) #
Tellez with 2 more HRs. Could he be figuring things out? I certainly hope so. He's an easy guy to root for.
Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#362057) #
Anyone got a scouting report on Alejandro Kirk?  He is an IFA signed in 2016 apparently as an outfielder and has been moved behind the plate.  He's 5'9" 220 lbs at age 19, so he's likely more Ernie Lombardi than Johnny Bench.  Anyways, it seems that he can hit- he's slashing .333/.424/.524 with an 18/12 W/K in 123 PAs. 
mendocino - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#362066) #

article from 2016 on Kirk's signing
Gerry - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#362067) #
Jordan Romano scouting report.
Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#362068) #
Thanks, Gerry. The evaluator saw him on July 11 and 16. I wonder if the evaluation would be a little different after last night's gem.

Anyways it is a helpful scouting report.
bpoz - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#362072) #
Sounds like Romano can be a very good reliever.
hypobole - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#362083) #
2080 also posted a report on Kevin Smith a few days ago, based on looks in Lansing in late May.
jerjapan - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#362086) #
Former 5th rounder Jose Espada looks to be rounding into form in Vancouver, improving from start to start after a rough debut.  He's repeating in Vancouver, but having turned 21 in Feb., with all of 42 pro games career - 34 starts - he's trending in the right direction. 

Has anyone seen him pitch?
Travis Bergen should really be getting more love, given his continued excellence and recent health.  His age - 24, in AA - isn't relevant given all the injuries he's battled, but as a lefty reliever with a career WHIP of 1.074, and 12.3 Ks per 9 IP, he's worth a look in September.  His 29.4 K%, good control and pedestrian stuff remind me a bit of Danny Barnes.  Hopefully we see him and other fringey relievers like Fisk and Shafer soon - we need to determine if any of these guys are worth a spot on the 40 man. 

The Jays picked some physically imposing pitchers this draft - 13th rounder Brad Wilson is listed at 6 ft 1, 260 pounds, undrafted signee Sean Rackoski stands 6 ft. 7, and 18th rounder Fitz Stadler is a whopping 6 ft. 9.  All pitching out of the pen and racking up Ks, it will be interesting to see if they can continue to dominate further up the ladder, and whether or not this is a trend for the draft team.  Obviously, we targeted Kloffenstein and he's huge for a 17 year old. 

hypobole - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#362089) #
Danny Jansen with a pair of HR's, Rowdy 3 for 3 including a 2B.
Gerry - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#362091) #
Rob Fai from Vancouver has downplayed Espada's stuff, saying nothing sticks out for him.
finch - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#362092) #
Wasn't there a poster on here saying we should move on from Rowdy Tellez? Hmmm....
Gerry - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#362093) #
SRF with another excellent start today.
scottt - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#362095) #
Espada's fastball needs a couple of extra mph to work. It could get there over time. Or in the pen.
Over 12 K/9 innings is not bad though.

Shoeless Joe - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#362099) #
I still think I would call up Romano and use him in the pen after the deadline. I don't see a starter with the reports on the change-up and the huge left / right splits. To clear up the 40 man we need to start giving some players shots at the big league level.
Mike Green - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#362102) #
Jansen's line for 2018 is awfully similar to his 2017.  Over the two years (608 at-bats), he has 42 doubles, 3 triples and 20 homers, 81 walks and 79 strikeouts. And he's 6-1 stealing bases (17-3 for his career).  It all adds up to a slash line of roughly .300/.400/.480.  In his second year in professional baseball, he hit .282/.390/.484.  That was in the Appy League in 2014. 

The Blue Jays could use him. 
Gerry - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#362103) #
Interesting pitcher for Hillsboro against Vancouver. West Tunnell came out of the bullpen.
PeterG - Sunday, July 22 2018 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#362107) #
I think that Pannone will be the next starting pitcher called up if and when a present starter is moved.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 07:58 AM EDT (#362109) #
It seems that Rowdy is starting to pull the ball more and his power is coming back as a result. His strikeout and walk rates have always been great for a power hitter, and Im getting excited for Rowdy again.
scottt - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 08:24 AM EDT (#362110) #
After 8 games, J. Davis is hitting .353 .405  .441 in Buffalo.

I'm hoping they can move Granderson. I'd rather watch Pompey.

Mike Green - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#362112) #
Jansen's 2nd homer was definitely ND.  He's got the Hank Aaron-style wrist action working for him. 
Mike Green - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#362116) #
There was a long rain delay in the bottom of the first in Bluefield, so Eric Pardinho threw only 3 innings.  No runs, two hits, one walk and 5 Ks.  He now has given up 16 hits and 7 walks in 25 innings, while striking out 37.  Still dominant. 

His full name is Eric Eiji Pardinho-  EE (or ee for poetry fans) is again available as a nickname.
jerjapan - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#362125) #
Finch, nobody said it's time to 'move on' from Tellez - the closest we came to that discussion was whether or not to protect him on the 40 man last year.  Once that decision was made, he's always had until the end of this season to turn things around.  I'm super happy for him, but he's not out of the woods yet - this is his best run in AAA since opening day last year.  His slash line when he went on the bereavement list was .248 / .329 / .382.  Since returning on July 16th, he's been absolutely raking, but we are talking about 7 games.  Great games - 27 ABs, 10 hits, 4 HRs - but still 7 games. 

Pannone has to be next starter up, and I'm wondering if Jonathan Davis is ahead of Alford at this point in the outfield.  With so many young OFers playing well in the high minors, I don't mind if the return for Grandy is light.   I imagine Pillar would be dealt if not injured, with the number of contenders who lack a true CF - somehow, Oakland has been running Mark Canha out there.  HOU, LAD, SEA, SFG, CLE - all of these guys could use him to start / platoon or as an elite 4th OF.  If Pillar comes back healthy and we can find a good deal for him in August, I'd like to see Davis, Smith Jr., Pompey and possibly even Harold Ramirez get a look in Toronto.  I still love Alford, but at this point, I'd be happy if he just plays out the season healthy in Buffalo.
PeterG - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#362136) #
If another OF is soon needed in TO, I think Pompey will get first call. I doubt Pillar can be moved till the off season, but I do feel that is a move just waiting to be made. Apart from the offensive problems, the last few games has convinced me that Grichuk is the better CF (eye test only). He does seem to be able to cover more ground imo and has better reach.
bpoz - Monday, July 23 2018 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#362149) #
I agree with finch regarding Tellez. IMO impatience seems to be overpowering patience. Tellez took a good share of negativity. As did the NH starters last year. My view is that they are adjusting to the higher level and that the adjustment may take all year.
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