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The Oaklnd A's have seen better days.


As you surely know, they have the worst record in the major leagues. At their current pace, the A's would finish 40-122, and that is even worse than the 1962 Mets (40-120). Only one team in all human history has lost more baseball games than those first year Mets - and of course it's the legendary 1899 Cleveland Spiders. The A's are extremely unlikely to be that bad, although like those Spiders they have made it a point to rid their team of every competent or semi-competent baseball player anywhere in their midst. (The 1962 Mets were bad because they had built a roster full of guys who used to be pretty good, but were no longer even adequate anymore.)

The 2023 A's score fewer runs than any team in the majors, just 3.55 per game. And they allow many more runs than any team in the majors, 6.25 per game, despite playing half their games in what is still one of the best pitcher's parks in the game. This is an awful, awful team.

But it's baseball, and weird things happen sometimes. The A's didn't win a series of games until we got into May, when they managed to take two of three from Kansas City, another bottom-feeder. They didn't win another series until the end of May, when the mighty Atlanta Braves rolled into town, only to drop two of three to the hapless Oaklanders.

And then, two weeks ago, in the midst of a long road trip, with their season record standing at an incomprehensible 12-50, having lost five straight - the A's beat Pittsburgh. And then they beat them again the next day. It was their third - count 'em, three - series win of the season. In fact, it was just the third time all season that the A's had won consecutive games. But from there they went into Milwaukee to play the NL Central leading Brewers- and by gosh the A's actually swept all three from Milwaukee, and the Brewers were no longer in first place.

So the A's came home to Oakland, where the mighty Tampa Bay Rays were making a visit - and the A's beat them in the opener, and beat them again the next day. I remind you - the A's had been able to win consecutive games exactly three times over the first two months. But somehow they had now won seven in a row, five of them against first place teams.

They haven't beaten anyone since, and the current losing streak stands at eight.

But you see the danger?

It's baseball.

Weird stuff can happen.

Matchups

Fri 23 June - Kaprielian (2-6, 6.38) vs Bassitt (7-5, 4.16)
Sat 24 June - Harris (2-1, 4.45) vs Berrios (7-5, 3.64)
Sun 25 June - Medina (1-6, 7.01) vs Kikuchi (6-2, 3.97)
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Chuck - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#430617) #
Not that I care a great deal about such things, but finding someone to represent Oakland in the all-star game will be a challenge. There's no middle reliever fluking out a low 2's ERA or anything, so it'll come down to Noda or Rooker. First base has not been awash in glory this year, so Noda could slide in there. Or perhaps Rooker could take the injured Alvarez's place at DH.

Or the league could made an exception this year and not include anyone from the A's. If they're not even trying to be good, why should the league pretend to even honour them?

I was hoping for a Sears/Kikuchi gopherific showdown (they are the AL's two worst in HR/9). Alas, it is not to be.

Mike Green - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#430618) #
On the road, the great Ryan Noda is hitting .268/.432/.464.  Against RHP on the road, he's .283/.433/.495.  Obviously, he's terrifying pitchers like Berrios and Bassitt.  It's going to be a long series, I'm afraid!
Chuck - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#430620) #
Magpie, no mention of Esteury Riaz? He's on pace for over 80 stolen bases this year, reminiscent of base stealers of yore.
scottt - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#430624) #
When it comes to human history, it really depends on what qualifies as major leagues baseball.
hypobole - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#430625) #
Apology in advance, it's June.

We gave him away a few years back
He's on the road where he gives balls a whack, it's Ryan Noda
N-O-D-A Noda, No-No-No-No-Noda
scottt - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#430627) #
They are dead last in batting average, OPS, run scored and both starter and reliever ERA.

They are 3rd in stolen bases. That's probably worth keeping in mind.

Also, they have 6 left bats in their regular lineup.

For All-Stars I would say Ruiz, although there is a case for Sears.



electric carrot - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#430628) #
I'm not dumb but I don't understand
How Noda sucked for the Jays
But for the A's he's the man
That's Ryan Noda
N-O-D-A Noda
Na na na Noda
Ducey - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#430634) #
Ryan Noda age 26 AAA PCL 259/396/474

Davis Schneider age 24 AAA IL 258/385/522

Leaside Cowboy - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#430636) #
could the LSU Tigers defeat the Oakland Athletics?
Magpie - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#430637) #
could the LSU Tigers defeat the Oakland Athletics?

Oakland split four games with Tampa Bay! They took two of three from Atlanta! They swept the Brewers!
Mike Green - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#430638) #
LSU Tigers over Athletics?

No, duh.
mathesond - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#430639) #
Heck, LSU has to get past Florida first, and they barely beat Wake Forest.

But if the A's could use aluminium bats, their offence might approach respectability.
hypobole - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#430646) #
Magpie, no mention of Esteury Riaz?

Magpie handed that off to his apprentice at Fangraphs, Chuck.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/esteury-ruiz-and-finding-slugging-in-speed/

It reminded me of a Dasan Brown comment I made Sunday night about how shocked I was he had more HR's (4) that 2B's (3). Of course Dasan then hit a double in each of the next 2 games.
John Northey - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#430649) #
The All-Star team is an interesting thing. Since it is mostly an exhibition I'd like them to do more fun things. Have guys like Brown there to run and let them pinch run multiple times. Have others allowed to play just defense (such as Kiermaier) while others just hit (Alvarez for example). Do more stuff along the lines of the home run competition but for other skills - I saw on YouTube some Japanese league I think doing a bunting competition (land closest to the bullseye to win), a pure race (ala a track meet) like hockey does - could do 90' and 360' as separate races. Each team could nominate a player for each activity thus removing the need to have a rep from each club on the actual team. The winners of each competition gets put on the 'real' team if not already there as a bonus.

So bunting, running, homers, what else could be a competition? Longest throw (before hitting the ground), fastest throw from deep OF to home (has to land in a certain zone to count)? Not much you could do with pitchers due to the risk to their arms sadly, but you could have retired pitchers come in and do a hardest throw, most consecutive strikes, and accuracy. Could be fun to see how well some of the old guys could do - Fergie Jenkins is still very fit and I bet he'd be up for it. I see lots of potential for fun there. Requirement would be being a former Cy Young, MVP, All-Star, or HOF'er to qualify. Wonder if Maddux could still hit the spots all these years later or if Randy Johnson could still get over 90 MPH. They'd all probably need a week of bed rest afterwards but they'd have a blast as would fans watching them.
vw_fan17 - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#430652) #
Wish this board had an upvote option.. I would upvote that (all star changes).

Although, then you might have to remove the "home field advantage for the world series" thing attached to the all star game..
scottt - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 06:48 PM EDT (#430654) #
I hate that they are going with 4 starters when they could use guys like Thornton and Richards against the worse lineup in baseball.

I wouldn't be shocked if one or two of the starters have bad starts against a lefty heavy lineup.
To me, that's the move of a manager concerned about having excuses for losing--we gave the ball to our best guys--instead of trying to win.

85bluejay - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#430655) #
Any news on how Alex Manoah is progressing?
scottt - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#430656) #
They want him to make a start in A ball but they don't know if they want him to take the bus for an away game or pitch at home in a stadium full of Yankees scouts. Not sure if any of that matters, honestly.
greenfrog - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#430657) #
Manoah should be on the slow progression plan. Remember when the Jays tried to bring Romero back from his issues too quickly? Let Manoah recover his stuff and confidence and consolidate his gains before putting him back in the pressure cooker.
Gerry - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#430658) #
Should have thrown Vladdy another slider.
greenfrog - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#430659) #
Congratulations, Vladdy. First home run at home this year (if I’m not mistaken). With two runners on, no less. Earl Weaver would approve.
scottt - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#430660) #
It's another game with a blind umpire.

It figures, the Jays and the A's are the two teams who see the most bad strike calls.

Gerry - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#430662) #
Kaprelian has been helped by the ump tonight. Good on him to keep throwing the ball there if he is going to get the call.
Nigel - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#430663) #
By this time in the season, you are generally what your run differential says that you are. The sobering thought is that Bassit has, on the whole, been lucky so far this season.
John Northey - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#430664) #
Seems a few guys like Kirk as their catcher more than Jansen despite Jansen's good reputation. Bassitt has sucked with Jansen (11.25 ERA before today) vs Kirk (1.75 ERA).
Leaside Cowboy - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#430665) #
losing to the A's is worse than losing to the Mets!
Leaside Cowboy - Friday, June 23 2023 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#430666) #
and the Reds win again! 12 in a row for Cincinnati.
John Northey - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#430667) #
The Reds are a team I'm cheering on now. Hard not to with Votto at 1B again (did you know he is 4th all-time for the Reds in WAR?) and how 2020 was the only time they finished within 10 games of 1st in their division since 2013. Despite being one of the smallest markets they have had 20k per game in all but the 2020 to now time since 1984. Tampa has cracked 20k only 4 times (1998, 2008-2010), Miami a bit better at 13 times (30k their first 2 seasons). Reds 30k+ 5 times since the Marlins showed up in 1993. Basically by any measure the Reds fans are more dedicated than either Florida team's fans despite a worse team (last WS win was 1990, last LCS was in 1995, Rays in 2 WS, Marlins won 2 WS).

Tonight for the Jays was frustrating, but it was nice to see Vlad get that HR at long last, Chapman thrown out at 2B was OK due to the amazing throw from LF on what should've been an automatic double. That I can live with, when the other team does a 'wow' you just gotta tip your hat to them.
Chuck - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 07:21 AM EDT (#430670) #
Bassitt has been hit-lucky this season, somewhat disguising his true level of performance. Compared to recent seasons, his HR9 and BB9 are up and his K9 is down -- not a good combination. He is also on pace for his highest IP total ever so fatigue could become a factor as well, if it isn't already.

Of course, the desire to call his own game coupled with the demands of the pitch clock may be at the root of his problems, so ceding the pitch-calling to his catchers may be a remedy. I guess we'll find out (and draw wild conclusions from small samples!).

scottt - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#430676) #
A lot of the hit-lucky dynamic is that the Jays still like to shift and that leaves huge whole when the hitter makes weak contact on a pitch outside.

Bassitt *really* needed an extra day. So much so that he skipped his bullpen session between starts.
You can't treat the regular season like the playoffs. Good teams find production from replacement players.
Bad teams make replacement players out of their regulars.

Vlad had a good game, but it's completely erased by the loss.

I still don't see how they can have all this gambling going on with bets on specific ABs while the umpires are performing like that.  I hear the argument against the robo-strike zone that it takes the framing skills away.
There was no framing yesterday. The catcher was setting up outside the strikezone and received the pitches there while never bringing them back in the zone. An appeal system doesn't work here except on a full count.
Meanwhile, Jansen was setting up and moving down, setting down and moving up and trying to frame pitches.

hypobole - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#430678) #
Did some playing around with Game Scores for our 4 starters.

20 or under: Bassitt 3, Gausman 1.
21-30: Berrios 3, Gausman 2, Kikuchi 2, Bassitt 1.
31-40: Kikuchi 2, Berrios 1.
41-50: Bassitt 3, Kikuchi 2, Berrios 1, Gausmann 1.
51-60: Kikuchi 4, Bassitt 3, Berrios 2, Gausman 2
61-70: Berrios 6, Kikuchi 4, Gausman 4, Bassitt 1.
71-80: Gausman 5, Bassitt 4, Berrios 2, Kikuchi 1.
80+: Gausmann 1, Bassitt 1.

Median: Kikuchi 54, Bassitt 58, Berrios 61, Gausman 64.5.

On the whole the starters have been pretty good. Berrios and Kikuchi most consistent. Bassitt the most mercurial.

Kikuchi has the fewest 71 or over excellent games, but also the fewest 30 or under stinkers. Bassitt has 5 excellent starts, but his 4 stinkers are the most.
Gerry - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#430679) #
Cimber to the IL with shoulder impingement. Francis returns.
greenfrog - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#430680) #
Aaron Judge has a torn ligament in his toe. Doesn’t sound like there is a timetable for his return. This is a huge opportunity for the Jays to grab a WC spot this year — if they can stop losing to teams like Oakland and every team in the AL East.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#430681) #
Here comes Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
greenfrog - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#430683) #
Ryu and Green are edging closer. Supposedly Ryu has dropped about 20-25 lbs and is in very good shape.

If the Jays can hold down a WC position and those two players -- and Manoah, hopefully -- can join the team and be effective, things will be looking up. Ideally the team adds a booming RH bat to shore up the lineup. Someone like Jorge Soler (231 wRC+ against LHP in 2023, 129 wRC+ against them in his career) could be a good pickup, if Miami falls off the pace and makes him available.
hypobole - Saturday, June 24 2023 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#430687) #
Angels leading the Rockies 24-0 in the 7th. Chase Anderson started and gave up 9 in 2.2 IP. Didn't realise he's pitched in the majors every year (with 4 different teams) since that 2020 debacle with the Jays.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 06:40 AM EDT (#430688) #
Shi Davidi has a piece on Sportsnet that underscores the impact the lack of pitching depth is having on the starting pitchers. The Blue Jays are really screwing themselves here. By denying their veteran SPs some much-needed extra days of rest — because of lack of foresight / planning / investment in rotation depth last off-season — the front office is going to end up with a tired, injured and ineffective staff in the dog days of summer and the fall.

Front office grade: D-
85bluejay - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 08:54 AM EDT (#430690) #
Very nice to see Mickey Moniak having ML success - With the lack of LHH in the Jays system I advocated for years for the Jays to try acquiring the former 1st pick of the 2016 draft as a change of scenery guy.Good for the Angels, hope the make the playoffs.
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 10:40 AM EDT (#430692) #
What teams do have pitching depth to give their starters extra rest?
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#430693) #
Angels 25 - Rockies 1 - final score. The past few years there's been more wildly lopsided games around the league. 162 x 15 = 2,430 games in a regular season. Given the volume of games played, I might expect 20+ runs-scored more often.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#430694) #
"What teams do have pitching depth to give their starters extra rest?"

The Yankees have Cole, Rodon, Cortes, Severino, German, Schmidt, Brito. Subtract Rodon and they still have six usable SPs.

If the Jays subtract Manoah they have Gausman, Bassitt, Berrios, Kikuchi, and...bullpen game.
Nigel - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#430695) #
I think it’s wrong to criticize management for a lack of planning on the the pitching depth issue. They did acquire Hutchison and Thompson in the offseason. They knew they needed some options in the offseason. Now, it’s fair game to criticize the execution of the plan (this were pretty marginal choices) and to criticize/question the drafting and development issues that have left the system barren of even AAAA homegrown types.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#430697) #
The Jays are going to need their best SPs to be healthy and strong for another 4+ months. The data indicate that they do better with extra rest, at least some of the time. The fact that the Jays are going pedal to the metal in their usage of those starters in June — that they don’t even have someone middling who can go 5-6 innings so that those starters can get adequate rest — is problematic.

The bullpen is going to burn out as well under the current arrangement.
bpoz - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#430699) #
The Jays are considered a contender and are doing that. However some teams that were considered contenders are in quite a bad position. For example Seattle, Philadelphia, NYM, SD and St Louis. These teams will be active at the trade deadline as well as Baltimore, Miami, Cincinati, SF and Arizona because they have probably surprised themselves by being is such high positions in the standings.
John Northey - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#430700) #
I suspect the Jays were/are counting on Ryu in August to allow a shift to a 6 man rotation. They also counted on Manoah being at least a league average pitcher, if not an ace. Backups were not unreasonable in Mitch White (85 ERA+ lifetime coming into 2023), Zach Thompson (93 ERA+ lifetime), Drew Hutchinson (82 ERA+), Thomas Hatch (87 ERA+), plus prospects like Tiedemann (consensus top 50 in MLB), Zulueta, Francis, Robberse, and Kloffenstein. Kloffenstein is the only one that has been impressive, Francis the only one given a real shot, Hatch given a few innings here and there.

Was that reasonable to hope that between all of those guys with some ML experience that ONE would emerge as a decent option to fill in? Seemed like it last winter. But instead the Jays rolled craps on all of them. It happens. They tried to resign Stripling (which pretty much everyone here wanted) but he went to SF instead (regular rotation slot plus option to opt out after a year) and hasn't pitched in the majors since May 17th and has a 60 ERA+ at a cost of $10 mil ($15 next year). So that #1 backup rotation option would've been a disaster it looks like. Can't recall who else we were all hoping the Jays would sign as that magical 6th starter who'd save the day with Manaoh falling apart.

As to the Yankees - they have used 6 guys for 7+ starts each, only 1 has an ERA+ over 100 (Cole - free agent the Jays were 2nd on according to Cole), Schmidt is at 95 (Yankee product), Brito at 85 (first ML season), German 81 (Yankee product), Cortes 80 (free agent post 2020), Severino 79 (Yankee product). Outside of Cole who'd you want in the Jays rotation? Jays are Gausman 132, Berrios 113, Kikuchi 103, Bassitt 94, Manoah 64. OK, all 6 beat Manoah's season but so does every pitcher qualified for the ERA title I think. None of the Yankee starters were signed this past winter, most produced by their farm. Manoah the only one the Jays produced. Clearly the farm is where the Jays need to put a TON of focus on in producing pitchers for the 6/7/8/9 slots.
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#430701) #
Nice 1st by Kikuchi. First time I can remember seeing long ago prospect Carlos Perez hit in the majors. Unimpressive exit velocity. :)
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#430702) #
He's not going to try to bunt again is he?
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#430703) #
He did. It worked perfectly. And then Springer grounds into a bases loaded Double play.
Magpie - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#430704) #
Everyone is getting four days rest, it's extremely unlikely anyone is going to have to pitch 200 innings... and their workload i a problem?

I guess it is, if everyone says it is. How did I get so old?
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#430705) #
Kikuchi 42 batters faced since his last walk. 31 batters since Rutschman homered off him, which is also the last run he's given up. Won't last of course, but nice to see nonetheless.
Petey Baseball - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#430706) #
Had the Cardinals-Cubs game on. Old friend Steven Matz threw well in relief. The Cardinals are rumored to be considering a teardown. If St. Louis paid some salary, I wouldn't mind the Jays taking a flier on Matz as as a Fransisco Liriano type depth acquisition.

Matz has been one of Pete Walker's success stories over the years.
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#430707) #
Got the no-walk streak up to 47 batters before the free pass to Bleday.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#430708) #
the jays starters all have had extra rest I'm pretty sure. not sure what the issue is.



greenfrog - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#430709) #
The advanced metrics don’t seem to like Kikuchi, but I feel he has had a very solid year as a back-end starter. His walk rate is about half of what it was last year—a major accomplishment for him. And he’s striking out about a batter an inning.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#430710) #
Davidi:

“Pitching in a four-man rotation, as they have over the past three weeks and will continue to do indefinitely moving forward until Alek Manoah gets right, is a grind. Already they’ve sacrificed the benefits of bonus recovery time offered by a pair of recent off-days, with another pair going by the wayside the next two Mondays. Insufficient organizational depth forced them into this spot. Low-key, it’s turned into a real substantial ask.

“In the short-term, the Blue Jays are surviving it, although meriting some debate is whether Chris Bassitt’s struggles over his past three outings, or a slight dip in Jose Berrios’ velocity in his past two starts, including Saturday’s 7-3 win over the Oakland Athletics, is tied to the heavier workload.”
92-93 - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#430711) #
They also frequently pull SP with gas left in the tank, and 2 of the 4 SP have better career numbers on regular rest.

If it's such a big issue, they can just use a 5th SP. It isn't.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#430712) #
Today is the 88th day since the season started.

Regular 4 day rest for every SP would have 3 starting slots at 18 starts and the other 2 at 17 starts.

Right now the Jays SP have 4 slots at 16 starts and one slot at 15 starts.

That means pretty much each slot has had 2 extra days of rest this year so far over a regular 4-day-rest rotation.

Gausman's about to get another extra day rest when he goes on 5 days rest on tuesday.
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#430713) #
Ruiz is an awful outfielder.
Chuck - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#430714) #
Imagine having to watch these A’s all season. What a tire fire.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#430715) #
and then the other guys all get an extra day of rest the next time through the rotation:

up until the break:

* Jun 27: Gausman (5 days rest)
* Jun 28: Bassitt (4)
* Jun 29: Berrios (4)
* Jun 30: Kikuchi (4)
* Jul 01: tandem start / bullpen day
* Jul 02: Gausman (4)
* Jul 03: off day
* Jul 04: Bassitt (5)
* Jul 05: Berrios (5)
* Jul 06: Kikuchi (5)
* Jul 07: Gausman (4)
* Jul 08: tandem start / bullpen day
* Jul 09: Bassitt (4)
Kasi - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#430716) #
I know he’s not been used as such lately but still think Thornton is a good option for that sixth starter. I went to a game in 2019 in Houston where he did quite well against a stacked team. Certainly feel better about him than Lawrence or Hatch.
ae_scott - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#430717) #
So can Biggio hit velocity now?
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#430718) #
Davidi thinks it's a huge issue, but obviously the Jays don't. They had Richards stretched out to 53 and 65 pitches in his two starts. And then they went back to using him in his familiar role.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#430719) #
We've received some nice contributions from our extra/emergency bullpen depth so far Hatch, Jackson, White, Francis, Thornton.

Together they've given us:

18gms, 26.2ip, 1.5ip/gm, 3.50era with good underlying numbers too.

It's starting to become a pretty big lift after guys like Bass, Cimber, and Pop blew up.
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#430720) #
Don't know if it's just a blip or real, but Thornton in his 3 IP is at 30 pitches, 24 strikes.
Kasi - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#430721) #
Thornton other than 2020 has not had an issue with walks. And in the pen his velocity ticks up. His issue is kinda like a lot of ours he’s susceptible to being lit up with HRs. But he will throw strikes.
bpoz - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#430722) #
IMO Kikuchi did fine today. The Jays won. I know that Oakland is a very weak team but we still have to play them.
Gerry - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#430723) #
What do the Jays do if Heineman is hurt? There are no other catchers on the 40 man.

1. Kirk can come of the IL this week, take a chance on 3 games with just Jansen. Varsho as emergency backup.

2. Add a catcher, waive someone? But who? Jay Jackson, Trent Thornton, Mitch White, Otto Lopez or Ernie Clement.

3. Move Zach Pop to the 60 day IL. That would mean he couldn't return until around July 4.

Option 1 or 3 seems most likely to me.
John Northey - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#430724) #
Uglyone - looks reasonable for the rotation but I'd change a couple of things...

Offday
Giants: Gausman (5), Pen, Bassitt (5)
Red Sox: Berrios (5), Kikuchi (5), Gausman (4)
Offday
White Sox: Bassitt (4), Berrios (4), Pen Day
Tigers: Kikuchi (5), Gausman (5), Bassitt (4)
All-Star Break (4 days - full reset of rotation to whatever order they wish, and hopefully adding Manoah back in after it)

This gives Gausman just one start on 4 days rest (to ensure he faces Boston) and gives 5 days to Bassitt right away (who I suspect needs it). Pen days are vs Giants and White Sox instead of Red Sox and Tigers. (White Sox = Tigers this year, almost identical records right now, and beating the Red Sox is more important than beating the Giants). This also means Berrios and Kikuchi are fully rested before the Red Sox series.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#430725) #
that seems smart to me John. good call.

Gerry - I think there's only 2gms left until Kirk can be activated.
John Northey - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#430726) #
If Heineman is hurt then I suspect option #3 (Pop to 60 day) is most likely. But who to call up? Brantley I think is hurt, so Jamie Ritchie is the next in line in AAA (0 ML time, 250/388/286 in Buffalo). That is about as good as it gets in the minors right now. Maybe another trade of cash to a team for a 3rd catcher? Given it would be for just a few days (unless Kirk is badly hurt) I suspect it will be Ritchie getting his first ML time at age 30. He has time at 1B and LF in the past, and 2 games as an emergency pitcher as well.
92-93 - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#430727) #
There isn’t really any value in option 1 considering you can no longer carry an extra pitcher and they rarely empty their bench. There is also little downside in Pop getting 10 more days. They should bring up any C, even if they plan on starting Jansen thrice. Kirk is tracking to come back when first eligible, as per Scott Mitchell.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#430728) #
yeah kirk can come back on the 29th, on thursday, so he only misses the two tuesday and wednesday games.
uglyone - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#430729) #
Gabe Moreno down to a 69wrc+ on the season. Significantly worse than any Jays regular (Espinal worst at 79wrc+), and better than only Lukes (46) and Luplow (-49) of any jay hitter this season.
hypobole - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#430730) #
Sandy Leon was released a few days ago. Mike Zunino recently as well I believe.
Magpie - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#430731) #
Ruiz is an awful outfielder.

No kidding. In his defense, he's only been playing there since... 2019? Oh.

He was a second baseman before, but when you look at the number of errors he made there, you assume he must have had the old manos de piedra.
ISLAND BOY - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#430732) #
" I know that Oakland is a very weak team but we still have to play them."

Yeah, and so do the rest of the wild card contenders so the Jays can't let up against them. The other contenders records against Oakland:

Baltimore 3-1
NYY 3-0
Tampa 5-2
LA Angels 5-2
Houston 6-0
Magpie - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#430733) #
Gabe Moreno down to a 69wrc+ on the season.

Meanwhile, after hitting .352/.416/.714 in May, Lourdes Gurriel has hit .172/.232/.313 in June. That's just how he rolls, folks! Fast go fast, slow go slow, Lourdes Gurriel does that low yo-yo.

Very obscure musical reference there...
Nigel - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#430734) #
2-1 against the A’s means you lost a game to most of the field.
85bluejay - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#430735) #
Another brilliant outing from Eury Perez today - what a start to his career! Guys that tall (6'8") usually take time to synchronize that body - not this guy.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#430736) #
Captain Beefheart, I can dig it!

Pat Gillick put 4 catchers on the active roster. I love it!

Magpie - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#430737) #
Captain Beefheart, I can dig it!

I thought no one would know that one!

Respect!
John Northey - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#430738) #
No worries. 2-1 isn't perfect, but the loss was a 1 run game, so a dumb luck situation.

Looking at FanGraphs Roster I see the guy whose been part of the system the longest is Vlad (signed in 2015) along with Buffalo player Luis De Los Santos. 2016 guys in the system are Bo, Biggio, Kirk, Lopez, Rafael Lantigua (Buffalo), Stewart Berroa (AA), Jol Concepcion (AA), Naswell Paulino (A+), Roither Hernandez (A+). Amazing how many are in the system still from Atkins first season, with just Vlad left from AA's time.
John Northey - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#430739) #
Doh, I meant that only 2 are left from AA's time - Vlad and De Los Santos (who could be released at any time I suspect).
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, June 25 2023 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#430741) #
2021 San Francisco Giants Captain Brandon Belt.
Leaside Cowboy - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#430742) #
College World Series (best-of-three)

Game 1: LSU 4 - Florida 3 - final / 11 innings

Game 2: Florida 24 - LSU 4 - final

Game 3: Monday night.

It's become a real slobber-knocker.

Go Tigers.
Leaside Cowboy - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 12:45 AM EDT (#430743) #
By the way,

if you live in Toronto, don't forget to vote!
92-93 - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#430750) #
Meanwhile, in Seattle, Teoscar is hitting .316/.374/.579 in June.

Since April 4th:

Swanson 34.0ip 9er 12bb 42k 5hr 2.38era 3.77fip
Merryweather 32.2ip 6er 14bb 46k 2hr 1.65era 2.53fip
Chuck - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#430751) #
Good for Merryweather to find good health and success, finally, at the age of 31. His Achilles heel had been his arrow straight fastball that was too often turned around and hit over the fence. I wonder if his pitch selection is different this year or if he has found a way to get movement on his fastball.
hypobole - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#430752) #
The craziest June is in NY.

Yankees have used 16 position players in June. The 6 worst have combined for -1.4 fWAR. 6 others are all at 0.0 fWAR. 3 of the positive 4 have a combined 0.4 fWAR.

That leaves the best by far Yankee at 0.6 fWAR - Billy McKinney.
greenfrog - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#430754) #
I think I would take Swanson over Merryweather going forward, as the latter has an abysmal track record of staying healthy. But good for him for having a strong 2023 season so far.

I would like to see the Jays add two things at the trade deadline: a good starting pitcher (preferably controllable for a few seasons), and a good RH hitter who can play a corner OF position (preferably controllable for 2024 so that he can take over LF after Kiermaier and Merrifield depart via free agency).
92-93 - Monday, June 26 2023 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#430757) #
Ramon Laureano is hurt, but he hits lefties well and is a solid defensive outfielder. He could be the kind of player they target if they aren't going flashy. Two more years of arb remaining because he got caught cheating.
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