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Okay, no gratuitous insults or personal attacks -- I'll take issue with a Richard Griffin column on its merits alone.

Griff's column today is about the Blue Jays' virtual abandonment of the stolen base as an offensive weapon, and he's not especially in favour of it. He points to successful Jays teams of the past (Tim Johnson's Runnin' Jays of 1998) and current speedsters like the Yankees, Angels and Mariners as examples of what lots of baserunning can accomplish.

Admittedly, he's not advocating for a '98 redux -- that year, virtually the whole team had the green light, which can be murder on the guy at the plate. But his strong implication is that since the Jays have the wheels to run much more than they do, they could steal scores of bases if Carlos Tosca were a little looser with the reins.

The 1998 Blue Jays did indeed steal 184 bases and won 88 games, as Griff says, but it's dangerous to presume a causation between the two. This is because the '98 squad was also caught stealing 81 times, for a total stolen-base percentage of 69%. That's not bad, but it's also right around the break-even mark for stolen-base percentage (opinion varies on whether the break-even is 67%, 75%, or somewhere in between. I'd be glad to be pointed to a definitive source on that).

There are those who factor in the "disruption to the defence" element in stealing bases --- the pitcher getting distracted by the throws to first base, the defence settling back on its heels, the catcher getting jittery. But there are also countervailing distractions to the offence: the hitter who gets restless in the box during throw-overs, or distracted by false starts at first base, or even swings and misses at a high fastball to help the runner steal. I think these all tend to cancel each other out, and we're still in the high 60s or low 70s just to break even.

Now take a look at last year's Blue Jays: 71 steals, 18 caught stealing (80%). I can't offer a breakdown of SB/CS between Buck Martinez and Carlos Tosca, but I don't recall the Jays running a whole lot under Buck anyway (probably because they were usually down 6-1 in the 3rd inning), so this number is a pretty accurate reflection of the JP Jays on the basepaths. A hundred fewer steals, but hardly any CSs, and ten extra percentage points on the success rate. This all adds up to a better offensive contribution via the stolen base.

Still not convinced? Check out these numbers:

1998 Jays: .266/.333/.448, 816 runs scored
2002 Jays: .261/.327/.430, 813 runs scored

Last year's squad had a lower BA, OBP and SLG than their speedy predecessors, yet they scored just three fewer runs. How come? I submit that an 80% success rate on steals contributed more offence than a 69% did.

For more evidence on the shortcomings of steals per se, check out the 2002 AL leaders in steals, along with their position in runs scored:

Royals, 140 SB (68%), 11th
Mariners, 137 SB (70%), 5th
Angels, 117 SB (69%) 4th
Orioles, 110 SB (69%), 13th
Rays, 102 SB (69%), 12th

The Yankees and Red Sox, the top two run-scoring teams in the league, had SB%s of 72 and 74, respectively.

So what all this amounts to is that stolen bases by themselves are not an indicator of runs scored or of wins -- it's stealing carefully and successfully that pays dividends. And this is what Tosca's Jays are doing, to their benefit.

As for the station-to-station running of which Griff accuses this current team, well, it's a little harsh to judge a team's baserunning abilities on the basis of their fourth spring training game, under what I understand were fairly damp playing conditions. If anything, it's exactly through smart and assertive baserunning -- first to third and second to home on base hits -- that this squad can use the excellent speed it does have.

Running amok isn't the key to a good offence: running intelligently is. We'll see the proof of this as the Jays assemble an offensive machine that's both efficient and effective.
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_Scott Lucas - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 12:37 PM EST (#94829) #
1998 Jays: 22 "net" steals (184 steals - 2x81 CS)

2002 Jays: 35 "net" steals (71 SB - 2x18 CS)

Also, AL teams as a whole are running less often than just four years ago. There were 2,429 attempted steals in 1998, only 1,815 in 2002, a drop of 25%.
_Matthew Elmslie - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 12:56 PM EST (#94830) #
I made a similar point to Scott's on the Primer thread devoted to this article. The Jays actually led the league last year - by a lot - in stolen-base percentage. So they may not be doing as much stealing as all other teams, but they're doing it better. I seem to recall the 2001 data was similar.
Craig B - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 01:15 PM EST (#94831) #
Copied from my identical post on Primer:

Using Pete Palmer's figures from _Total Baseball_ and _Hidden Game_ (because they are easy, not because they are the most accurate) of +0.3 runs for each steal and -0.6 runs for each caught stealing, here are the Jays' Stolen Base Runs for the last 6 years:

Year SBruns (SB-CS)

1997 +10.2 (134-50)
1998 +6.6 (184-81)
1999 +6.9 (119-48)
2000 +6.3 (89-34)
2001 +13.8 (156-55)
2002 +10.5 (71-18)


That +10.5 figure in 2002, incidentally, was *best* in the American League. It would have been the best in the National League, edging out the run-happy Marlins. The Toronto Blue Jays were the best team in baseball at creating runs via the stolen base.

I fail to see how 2002 was a bad performance on the basepaths. Taking fewer stolen base chances resulted in a much higher stolen base percentage, and turned out to be a much more productive use of their opportunities. I won't insult Richard Griffin, tempting as that may be, but he's utterly and completely wrong here.

If a better metric than SBRuns was used, the 2002 Jays would come out even better because of their excellent percentage, which is at a premium in the modern game.
robertdudek - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 01:34 PM EST (#94832) #
*off topic*

Josh Phelps is playing in his first spring game today. He hammered a pitch in his first AB out of the park.
_Jordan - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 01:54 PM EST (#94833) #
I flipped back through the record books, and the last AL team to have a SB% of 80 or higher was .... the Toronto Blue Jays, in 1995 (75/91, 82%). That intrepid squad also finished second-last in the league in runs scored. Why? Probably because they were close to DFL in batting, on-base and slugging. Which just goes to show that careful base-stealing is of limited help when you don't have very many baserunners to actually come around and score in the first place.
_Mike - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 01:59 PM EST (#94834) #
Run scoring was down last year in the AL compared to 1998. The Jays 816 runs in 1998 was .6% above the league average; last year they were 4.5% above league average. Last year's team was more effecient at scoring runs and their success on the basepaths is an important element of that.
Dave Till - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 04:09 PM EST (#94835) #
The 1998 Jays won 88 games because:

(a) Roger Clemens was pitching for them.
(b) They had eight players in double figures in home runs, plus two more (Fletcher and Fernandez) with 9 HR's.
(c) Their starting pitching didn't have any obvious holes. The '98 team's worst starter was Pat Hentgen, and he at least could keep the team in the game sometimes.

And the 88 wins was deceptive - the team was out of contention most of the year. They were 67-66 on August 26, and won 11 in a row to pull within shouting distance of the postseason, but they had no real chance of getting there.

The stolen bases didn't really make much difference one way or another.

(I love baseball-reference.com, as it allows me to pepper my arguments with actual facts!)
Mike D - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 04:16 PM EST (#94836) #
Assuming Shannon Stewart maintains his ability to read pitchers, get a good jump and not get caught (read: maintains his SB%), I think his SB numbers should improve with Cat hitting behind him instead of Hinske this year. With Hinske, there's always the risk of the steal-facilitating swings and/or takes diminishing the possibility of a home run. But I think that Cat, who can really handle the bat and is less of a power threat, is a good guy to run in front of.

And I think they WOULD run Stewart in front of Cat. Reflexive non-running is not a strategy that makes much more sense than reflexive running, because counterbalanced or not, there *are* some ancillary benefits to a running game. Plus, stolen base percentages can't be viewed in a vacuum; bungled hit & runs probably only yield a 20% stolen base rate, and dead ducks that start for the next base after being picked off get caught every time. I imagine it would be difficult to generate data for a baserunner/runs effect chart and a risk/reward analysis of the hit & run play.

So if Hinske drops to #3 or #6 in the order, I'd expect Shannon to be sent more often, and maybe O-Dog too. If Hinske hits #2, though, I agree with the majority and the Tosca low-risk plan. Surely Craig is right, though, that the ability to take an extra base on hits will be the key benefit of the Jays' speed if used properly.

By the way, assuming the Yankees were a close #6 in steals and #1 in runs, there actually isn't much of a correlation at all between SB and runs when you factor in the M's and Angels -- rather than a strong negative correlation as implied by the top-five listing.
_Spicol - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 04:17 PM EST (#94837) #
Good post, Jordan.

If anyone is interested in further discussion on the merits of stolen bases, I likethis take on it. The article mentions 69% as the break even point where steals begin to contribute to team success. Of course, that number will always vary depending on the level of offense of a specific team and the level of offense in the era. In high octane offenses, like the one the Blue Jays should have next year, the negative value of an out is greater than for a low scoring team ie. you don't want to give up outs on the bases if the guy coming up next has a very good chance of getting a hit, especially a hit for extra bases.

That said, and I don't want to agree with Griffin here, but if they Jays could increase their stolen bases, all the while keeping the same level of success rate, that is going to lead to more runs scored. The thing is that it's really unlikely the Jays could run 150 times still at an 80% success rate. As you become more aggressive and less selective, you'll get caught more...not to mention the increased chance of injury to players sliding hard into bases.
_Spicol - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 04:42 PM EST (#94838) #
Another comment on Griffin's column and a general impression that I think some people have: Orlando Hudson is not a very good base stealer. He has ok speed but he just hasn't shown a skill for it in the minors.

Even if they were given the green light, I kinda doubt whether Hudson, Wells and a gimpy, hamstrung Stewart could steal 75 bases between them. So, not only is it a question of this team's desire to steal, I don't think they have the ability to steal that many more bases either, and still stay above a 70% success rate that is.
Coach - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 06:36 PM EST (#94839) #
Managers want a team that can play situational baseball. That means walks and HR most of the time, but it doesn't mean you don't try to manufacture the tying run in the seventh or eighth inning, or the winning run after that. If you had a lineup of all Delgado-Phelps-Wilson-Myers types, you wouldn't have the option of running. So it's still an advantage to have capable basestealers, even if you rarely turn them loose.

Hudson had 19 SB between Tennessee and Syracuse in 2001, but I agree, he's no Lou Brock. Woodward surprises me -- he's not slow, but rarely gets more than 3-4 SB a year.

Griffin calls Tosca "the admitted Earl Weaver disciple" as if that's something bad to be. His idea that the Jays run "if the other team is not paying attention" is mistaken. Tosca runs when he should -- in late innings of close games, with the right personnel on base and at bat. Not only was their percentage very good, a lot of the steals came at critical times, making them more valuable.
_Ryan - Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 07:25 PM EST (#94840) #
\Griffin calls Tosca "the admitted Earl Weaver disciple" as if that's something bad to be.\

It's just another contradiction from Griffin. He was praising the Earl Weaver approach when Buck Martinez was manager. From the summer of 2001:

\WELCOME to Babe Ruth's birthplace where legendary O's manager Earl Weaver, king of the ``three-run homer'' approach to winning championships, ruled from 1969-83.

Weaver was a ``big-bang'' type of guy. He ignored the ``little ball'' that the sissies in the National League loved from the '60s through the '80s (and that the Jays are now playing). A bleeder, a blooper and a blast a couple of times per night was all Weaver felt he needed to win.\

If Tosca said the sky was blue, Griffin would write a column about how it was actually green.
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