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Gee, who to root for? The guy who endured multiple surgeries on his arm and legs, persevered into his 30's, finally got a chance last year and was brilliant in his emergency start, or the more talented, but incredibly immature jerk? Even though I own Jeff Weaver in a couple of fantasy leagues, I don't like him; either does Mike Sweeney. The pitcher, a fan of Jerry Springer, has been a security guard on that thought-provoking TV show, and also showed his class in harrassing a woman who (doing her job) chastised him for smoking dope on the team plane. Jon Heyman of Newsday commented a couple of months ago on his (entirely expected) reaction to the subsequent lawsuit:

Jeff Weaver didn't sound too concerned that the Tigers had to pay $200,000 to the flight attendant who sued them after she was mistreated by Weaver and other Tigers. "Out of sight. Out of mind," Weaver said.

The rude, crude dude is 3-4, 5.68 against the Jays over the last three years, and he has a 5.45 home ERA since donning pinstripes. Delgado (1.431 OPS), Wells (1.333) and Hinske (1.500) have hit him extremely well -- here's hoping all those trends continue this afternoon. No TV, but it's on the FAN 590.


Toughing it out: I mentioned in a recent game thread that Eric may have hurt his wrist on a swing; the latest game notes on the Official Site confirm that, and it's also mentioned that Josh Phelps has a tender wrist from swinging "so hard". Don't anticipate an immediate power surge from the slugging sophomores, but they are reportedly healthy enough to contribute.

A win today for the series split would do wonders for everyone's confidence going into Boston. It's not unreasonable to expect an 8-12 record (or better) going into Tampa, and the lessons learned during this 20-game ordeal will be valuable all season.
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_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#90269) #
I'm supposing those lessons include not to swing quite that hard, and to check baserunners if you're the closer in a 1-run game. Idiot!
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#90270) #
Vernon Wells! That's quite enough double-play grounders from you, young man!
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#90271) #
Gotta love that fan interference in the Stadium; someone touched a Stewart leadoff single (Tom Cheek called it "fair -- no, foul -- no, fair") so he was awarded a ground-rule double. Almonte just muffed the easiest of popups and there's two on with nobody out. But Wells is in a rut with the GIDPs lately, too bad. Carlos, 10-for-22 vs. Weaver, drew the expected walk. C'mon, Josh!
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#90272) #
It is,but it was a rocket...easily could've been a double.Walker better get the home umpire's generous strike zone.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#90273) #
Sigh. I'm resigned to keeping track of the game on Yahoo and checking back here. Oh well, at least it forces me to get some re-writing done.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#90274) #
Anybody watching the game (if it's even on TV)? Was Phelps called out on a legitimate 3-2 strike? I forget which umpire it was -- myabe Durwood Merrill -- who used to say he'd give the pitcher the first two strikes, but he'd have to earn the third one. I always thought that was the proper way to go, and I can't stand to see someone rung up taking a borderline pitch. Then again, I suppose that's why they tell you not to let those same borderline pitches go by with two strikes.

Oh well, at least they worked Weaver a little, 17 pitches in the first. Bring on that Yankee bullpen.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#90275) #
The Yankees don't have their best lineup out there, that's for sure. Flaherty is a huge downgrade on Posada.

A. Soriano 2B
T. Zeile 3B
J. Giambi DH
B. Williams CF
H. Matsui LF
R. Mondesi RF
N. Johnson 1B
J. Flaherty C
E. Almonte SS
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#90276) #
Watching on the Yes network,Weaver's stuff is vicious today....I thought Phelps got the "rookie" call.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#90277) #
If John Hart acquired Pete Walker in a trade, they could market each of his starts as "Walker: Texas Ranger."

I'm just sayin', is all.
_Elijah - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#90278) #
I'm also watching on YES - I just have to say it's nice not having to listen to Michael Kay. Jim Kaat and Ken Singleton are informative, relatively impartial, and pleasant.
_Paul Godfrey - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#90279) #
Who needs these baseball North guys.....get me this Jordan's number!
Pistol - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#90280) #
The Jays rank 3rd in the AL in runs so far, while still in the ‘dreaded 20’. One third of the batting order is underchieving in Hinske, Hudson, and Phelps (although Phelps is drawing walks), and Delgado & the catching platoon are the only ones really overachieving in my mind.

Could this team challenge for the most runs in the AL?
_Carlos Tosca - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#90281) #
What the hey....Mondy starting a day game after a night game.Maybe it was that FLo guy all along.....?
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#90282) #
Not, of course, that I'm suggesting he be traded to Texas -- not till July, at least, when Colby Lewis comes available. :-)
_Mick - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#90283) #
Ah, Jordan, an old joke 'round these parts, though usually the bait is Larry Walker, who as an aging, injury-prone big bat would fit in here, for sure.

Besides, given his ongoing trouble with the strike zone, I think CH Park has wrapped up the title of "walker, Texas Ranger."
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#90284) #
I'd feel comfortable saying that the catching platoon could put up numbers like they have for the whole year, or close to it (assuming Kevin Cash doesn't enter the picture later this summer). I see no reason why Delgado can't return to the form he showed in 2000.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#90285) #
From this distance it seems Weaver has his stuff today; he's getting ground balls to the infield.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#90286) #
Looking ahead at the schedule, it's quite possible the Jays will meet up with the Royals next week just as the latter are officially plummeting back to earth. That could be fun....
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#90287) #
Nice one, Mick.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#90288) #
I don't believe it! Soriano walked...there must be something in the water, as Rey Ordonez has been seen hitting balls out of the infield too.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#90289) #
Singleton and Kaat are indeed outstanding.
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#90290) #
Walker, who was on a strict pitch count last time out, was efficient enough to complete six innings against the Twins on just 60 pitches. Today, presumably on a longer leash (80?) he has thrown 46 pitches, 30 for strikes, through three innings. After mowing down the bottom of the order, he walked Soriano (who stole second) and fell behind Zeile; dangerous with the heavy LH lumber coming up, but Pete got him on a fly ball to left. Still scoreless.

At least the Jays are making Weaver work. It's going to be another bullpen adventure for both teams.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#90291) #
Because of my office network's configuration, I currently can't see any new posts unless I post something myself. Very weird. So I'll be posting something every now and then just to see the latest.

Like this.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#90292) #
Good AB by Hinske, thank goodness, although the two-out double was stranded. Weaver's already thrown 69 pitches through 4 innings. Bring on the Yankee bullpen!
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#90293) #
According to the fantastic CBS online game log, with a pitch-by-pitch strikezone!, Walker just got jobbed on a non-called third strike on the sixth pitch of Giambi's AB to start the inning. Luckily he proceeded to fly out to center. Why is Giambi struggling so much this April?
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#90294) #
Can anyone watching the game tell me if these fly balls are really being kept in by the wind? Jerry Howarth and the home crowd are making me nervous about Walker's pitching.
Pistol - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#90295) #
Giambi struggled early last year too.

Of course, his OBP is still over .400.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#90296) #
Wind is blowing in and its damn COLD!
_Mick - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#90297) #
Over in the AL West, Ryan Drese -- coming off that disastrous 1/3 inning stint in his first start of the year earlier -- surrendured five hits and four earned runs to the Angels in the first inning this afternoon.

That lowers, I said lowers his seasonal ERA tp 60.75.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#90298) #
Mondesi just hit a solo homer off Walker, 1-0 Yanks.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#90299) #
I have a feeling a round-tripper is going to decide this one.
_Mick - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#90300) #
Boy, Raul Mondesi loves playing the Blue Jays.
_Kelvim Escobar - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#90301) #
I want to thank Ryan Drese for making 22.50 look good.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#90302) #
Wow, that's a little too eerie for me. I think I'll stop predicting things.
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#90303) #
Uh, Jordan? Your "prediction" came two minutes after Shrike reported the dinger. I always knew Ottawa lagged far behind the rest of the country.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#90304) #
Through 5 1/3 innings, Weaver is already at 90 pitches. I have a feeling the Jays' best chance at victory will be to wear him out so they get 3 innings vs. the 'pen.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#90305) #
Delgado got a full-count single to LF after making Weaver throw 7 pitches; he's now at 101 pitches. Good job by Carlos, but Phelps strikes out swinging as Weaver pounds him inside.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#90306) #
Stay tuned, Creek warming in the pen.
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#90307) #
The Gamecenter on CBS Sportsline is pretty cool, Shrike. It's more instantaneous than the Internet feed of the FAN, often two pitches ahead. But I'm wearing out the F5 key; how do you get it to refresh automatically?
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#90308) #
Pitch #79 from Walker was a Soriano HR; 2-0 NY.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#90309) #
Batten the hatches!
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#90310) #
Well, the FAN probably has a 5-second delay...I seem to recall running across regulations to that effect a year or so ago when I was doing some legal research.

CBS refreshes automatically. You shouldn't have to pound your keyboard. I'm enjoying the peace and quiet of editing a hard copy of my paper and glancing up at my computer screen every so often.

Sigh. Soriano with another solo homer, 2-0 Yanks. Zeile walked; Walker is at 84 pitches thrown. I imagine Tosca will have to bring Creek in now.
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#90311) #
It sounds like Walker's been somewhat lucky to give up only two today: The long flyballs in the fourth sounded bad, now two homers to Mondesi and Soriano. And now...Doug Creek. Tom Cheek, referring to Tosca's walk to the mound, said that the 'next walk' will be made by Creek. Considering it's Giambi at the plate, I'd be semi-relieved if a walk is the worst that happens.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#90312) #
That may be, but overall I'm sure Tosca and the brain trust will take this start by Walker against the Yankees with gratitude. Their bats just have to wake up vs. NY pitching.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#90313) #
Dang.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#90314) #
Uh, Jordan? Your "prediction" came two minutes after Shrike reported the dinger.

I was on MLB's Gamecast when it shut down on me, and I was struggling to get ESPN's system working. Mondesi's home run showed up there about three minutes after Sean's post. As Han Solo would say: This is not my fault!

Somebody hit Weaver. Literally or figuratively.
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#90315) #
Yeah, I guess I shouldn't be complaining about Walker's pitching with only five balls hit hard against him by the Yankees. Especially considering who's pitching now. If he walks Williams...
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#90316) #
Creek flings it and hopes for the best. Hitters can sit on a fastball strike (both Williams and Giambi mercifully took the 3-1 cripple) or wait for a walk. No finesse, no control.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#90317) #
He walked Williams.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#90318) #
Gentlemen, we are up the Creek.
_Ryan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#90319) #
...and not a paddle to be found.
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#90320) #
Why are they leaving Creek in against a righty?!?!?! Groan.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#90321) #
Bases juiced for Matsui, who will no doubt continue to demonstrate his flair for the dramatic and only hit home runs at Yankee Stadium with 2-3 men on base.
_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#90322) #
This is why Doug Creek serves no earthly purpose on a major league baseball team. Comes in to face Giambi with a runner already on, walks him. Now goes full count on Bernie Williams...and walks him. Boy, I didn't see that coming! All that's left for him to do is walk Matsui and then give up a grand slam to the next right handed hitter who comes up.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#90323) #
Do I have to mention that there are no outs, and that he starts with ball one. Matsui then settles for a hard double to RF, plating two. I guess even Williams doesn't want to test Lil' Cat's arm.
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#90324) #
Or, for that matter, against anyone. 4-0 Yanks, none out, and men on second and third. Funny how quickly the hated Bombers can take over a game.
_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#90325) #
At least Creek did the Jays a favour and gave up a two run double to Matsui. The sooner he is out of the game (and off the roster) the better. People hate Trevor Miller but at least the guy doesn't walk people left and right.
_Gil Patterson - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#90326) #
Ah Doug, there's this little thing called the F'ing strke zone!
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#90327) #
I think JP might want to have a word with Tosca, myself...Creek shouldn't be on the 25-man roster, true, but there's no good reason for Tosca to use him the way he has that I can discern.
_BobDole - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#90328) #
Hey, not sure if you guys know this. If you tune into 590 The FAN online 30-40 minutes before the game starts, you won't face the MLB black out. So you won't have to pay MLB's monthly charges for audio, just make sure you're logged in and running 590 on your free Realplayer in advance of the game. You'll save cash, and won't get booted out!
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#90329) #
And he(Miller) dances better too!
_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#90330) #
Lopez!
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#90331) #
So now of course Tosca brings in Lopez in a high-pressure situation and he responds positively by striking out Mondesi on four pitches down and in.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#90332) #
That was easy: all Tosca had to do was change the bad water (Creek) for the good stuff (Aqua-lino).

I'm sorry....
_Ryan Drese - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#90333) #
In YO FACE, Kelvim. I am now at 18.69.
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#90334) #
Do we have anyone in the bullpen other than Aqualino in the pen who's any good? Politte, I guess. Why on earth did Tosca keep Creek in to face Matsui when Lopez was up in the pen?
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#90335) #
Not sorry enough...you will be once I'm through with you! -)

Darn, now I have to get to Ottawa somehow...
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#90336) #
...in the bullpen other than Aqualino in the pen...

For those wondering precisely what I'm 'king' of, I rule the kingdom of redundancy kingdom.
_Jordan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#90337) #
Good on you, Aqualino! Nice comeback from that disaster the other night.

See you, folks -- errands to run, work to skip out of early.
_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#90338) #
Hmm...Hinske should be benched for that. 7th inning, down by four, the starter has already thrown over 100 pitches, and you swing at the first pitch you see. Why? Why not even attempt to work the pitcher out of the game?

Myers and Hudson play similarly brainless ball and the Jays draw a total of 4 pitches out of Weaver that inning and get themselves out.
_Matthew Elmslie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#90339) #
You guys. It's not 'Aqua-Lino', as in something you'd use to waterproof your pool. It's 'Aquilino', as in 'an aquiline nose'. What's Lopez's nose look like?
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#90340) #
Gah. 0-2 count on Soriano and he hits him.
_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#90341) #
Way to go Aquilino! Take out Soriano! I love gratuitous violence.

Strikes out Zeile looking (struck out three of the four outs by K).
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#90342) #
Sorry it's not in profile, Matthew:

_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#90343) #
Strikes out Zeile looking (struck out three of the four outs by K).

I also love gratuitous redundancy.
_Matthew Elmslie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#90344) #
From dictionary.com:

aq·ui·line adj.
1. Of, relating to, or having the characteristics of an eagle.


Can we get a nickname out of this?
_R Billie - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#90345) #
Walks Williams. Damn, is Matsui up again already? Seemed like just minutes ago he was knocking Creek out of the game. I guess Linton is better equipped to face him.
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#90346) #
/Hi-jack..woohoo! Carlos Lee finally woke up and hit a grand slam off Chris George, as the KC Royals come back to reality. My fantasy team appreciates his efforts. /End hi-jack.

Now if only Bordick can walk here to set up the inning for Stewart & Cat.
_Tommy Hunter - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#90347) #
Start warmin up Rita.
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#90348) #
Tom Creek just "advised" Stewart not to dig in, anticipating retaliation for Lopez hitting Soriano. That's one of those things you bring up after the fact, Tom -- what was the point in predicting it?
_Shrike - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#90349) #
There was a great parody song I have on CD which makes fun of the CBC called "Won't Pay a Tax for the CBC" ...one of the lines goes something like this:

It would take a million bucks
To keep Rita McNeil in enough doughnuts!

Yes, it's mean, and yes, it's hysterical.
_Cristian - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#90350) #
What! Afternoon game and nobody told me?

I know it's on everyone's tongue but someone has to say it. That horrible reliver's new nickname is Doug "expletive" Creek. I'm sure you all know what expletive to insert.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#90351) #
Tom "Creek" coach? I'm afraid the cripple has gotten into all of our heads.
Craig B - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#90352) #
I think El Aguila - "The Eagle" is a great nickname for Aquilino Lopez.

We've dealt with this already, but I made the point before that it seems like Creek won't keep the ball down and can't make 3-2 pitches in the strike zone when he needs to. If he can't do that, he can't play major league baseball, and if he's feeling the pressure, how much more pressure will he be under in August and September if the team is in contention?

Golden Sombrero for Erick Almonte as I speak.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#90353) #
Some of the Yanks(after last night)might be calling it the " Golden O-Dog".
_Spicol - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#90354) #
Hey Shrike, if you're that high on Lee, you're not going to like the trade offer I sent you! Let me know if we can work something out.
Craig B - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#90355) #
I'm with Cristian. The new name is "Up S***" Creek.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#90356) #
True, Christian ...the post of the day!
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#90357) #
At the risk of being called a wet blanket, or worse, I'm wondering how those who "sign" their comments by name (or using a consistent alias) feel about sometimes-but-not-always-clever fake names on comments. In this thread alone, we've heard from impostors calling themselves Paul Godfrey, Carlos Tosca, Gil Patterson, Kelvim Escobar, Ryan Drese and Tommy Hunter. I may have missed some; whether the pseudonymns improved the wit and/or wisdom of the posts is uncertain.

Over at Clutch Hits, hordes of Sterlings, Piazzas, Yans and Ackbars made what was once the best baseball site on the Internet increasingly painful to read. The last thing I want is to spoil anyone's fun, and perhaps I'm overreacting to nothing. I'm really just curious -- what do people think? Are there reasonable BB guidelines that we can agree on? If this site becomes more popular than it already is (now averaging 1,000 hits a day) but the signal-to-noise ratio deteriorates, would people abandon us if we introduced a (free) registration system?

Jordan Furlong posts as Gideon, Kent Williams as Coach, and that's no big deal. I see no reason why Jordan couldn't also register his famous Beeah Guy, or why I couldn't be the Walrus (it's what my fantasy teams are called). Many others use an alias, but there's only one "R Billie" or "Pistol" (for example) -- and we know who you are! The point is, most of us identify ourselves and stand by our opinions, without pretending to be Bud Selig or any other public figure. If I'm way off base here, I'm sure you guys will show me your best pickoff moves.
_Ryan - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#90358) #
Jays Talk is coming up on the Fan if anyone is interested in venting on live radio. I won't be calling in today, but I did it a couple of times last year. Should be pretty easy to get on.
Gitz - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#90359) #
Anonymous posters are, at best, a mixed bag, but if I wanted to make Craig B. sound like a boob, what would prevent me from using his name and posting something like "Wow. That John Gizzi is the smartest chap around; I think he's the best ESPN has to offer, and the Boys in Bristol should pay him rather a lot for his outstanding work."

The point is not that I'm a brilliant writer -- which of course I am -- but that we're all, to one degree or another, anonymous out here.

That said, I wish that coward Keith Law would identify himself when he shreds (justifibaly so) my arguments. :)
_Craig B - the r - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#90360) #
You know something, guys? That John Gizzi is the smartest chap around. I think he's the best ESPN has to offer, and I'm going to let the Boys in Bristol know that they should pay him a lot more for his outstanding work.

Personally, I dislike the anonymous posts. There's no comedy to them that is gained using the other person's name. That's different from BobDole, which is just BobDole's handle... that we all get.
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#90361) #
Mike Wilner does a fine job in the studio and knows his stuff. Too bad he doesn't go on the road trips. Frankly, I'd be happy if Tom Cheek (or Creek) retired -- I'd enjoy Jerry and Mike a lot more. Tom's folksy, homespun style is almost 100% content-free, and among his many annoying pronunciation errors are the "fith" inning, Pudge "Rodriquez" and Eddie "Guaddardo". And they're consistent mistakes, not (blush) typos.
_EddieZosky - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#90362) #
I don't mind Wilner at all, has anybody ever thought of inviting him to this site?

I wonder if he's already found it on his own?
_Spicol - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#90363) #
EddieZosky, I did invite Wilner. Or at least I think I did. I'll do it again, just in case.

The anonymous posts are all the same person. There's a pattern of at least four dots in them in place of commas....like that. Usually people use grammar and vocab, especially slang, in consistent patterns.

So, find the four dot typer and you've found your man!
Coach - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#90364) #
Spicol reminds me of Columbo, or maybe Monk. However, not all of today's pseudonymous posts came from the same PC. (Greymatter records the IP address of each post, and if anyone did consistently cross the line of good taste, we could block their access to the site).

Again, I'm not saying it's always a bad thing to impersonate someone -- I've done it myself -- and I hope it never becomes necessary to add "censor" to my BB job description.
_Richard - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#90365) #
I'm the man.(four dots and all....)I didn't realize these posts were offensive and shall here by refrain.
_Mick - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#90366) #
Well, I posted as Ryan Drese. And I've certainly posted with a false handle in other threads, though none are coming to mind.

And I would NEVER put four "dots" in an ellipse, which by grammatical definition, has exactly three.

To riff on the old New Yorker cartoon of great fame, On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're Doug Creek.
Craig B - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#90367) #
Is it "ellipsis" or "ellipse" or both? Anyway, it actually is allowed to have four dots where it ends a sentence....
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#90368) #
Craig,

it's ellipsis. An ellipse is a geometric figure.

With regard to the question of impersonation posts, I think the question doesn't quite hit the mark. The problem on Primer, as I see it, is not that people are impersonating people. It's that people are being idiots. There would be nothing stopping me from inventing some idiotic catchphrase like Ackbar's and posting it as the first post in every thread under my current pseudonym, other than the fact that I'd quickly get written off as an idiot and eventually banned. There is, as far as I know, no famous person named Yun Taragoashi who that other guy was pretending to be, and while the Piazza posts are more than a little offensive, their offensiveness does not derive from the identity of the person being impersonated. Maybe this is an argument for registration, though I don't see a need for that here right now. I suppose what I'm really trying to say is that while impersonation of posters here would be a problem, I don't really see that impersonation of celebrities would be one in and of itself. It's the wider question of moronic behaviour on anonymous internet messageboards that creates problems. As I changed my handle from my real name to my current handle, I suppose I shouldn't deride the comforts of anonymity, but I think that's the root of any problems you might see.
Gitz - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#90369) #
The level of discussion in here is quite intelligent, and I would hate to see it drop to the level of Primer, which, despite the obvious good work done in there, I simply won't read because of the moronic people trying to be "funny."

We'll just have to hope for the best, I suppose ... and that means hoping that Burley keeps quiet about grammatical advice -- he's a tax attorney, for the love of Ford!
_Geoff North - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#90370) #
The problem at Primer isn't so much that people make silly jokes posting as someone else; it's that the exact same joke gets posted probably ten times a day. Unless Mike Piazza is sitting at his computer 24/7 frantically checking Primer for any comment, quote, sentence that he can somehow use to reference his sexuality.

If it became a problem here, I for one would not be opposed to registering to post. It's when I have to register to view a site that I usually balk.
_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#90371) #
I'm a consistent visitor although not a very consistent poster here at Batter's Box but I can say that the conversation had in response to an article is very good. The mix of opinions are , all, or at least mostly, meaningful and doing more than just taking up space. Maybe Coach had the idea with the free registration. Gives everyone a consistent identity. I got dibbs on Donkit R.K. !
_M.P. Moffatt - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#90372) #
http://economics.about.com
I *love* the idea of free registration. I wish they had it over at Primer.. all the stupid Ackbar and Piazza posts are killing that site.

I listened to the game on my way to the community college. Of course, I had to listen to the Yankees announcers. It was really quite funny. They first say what a *great* job Delgado and Wells are doing driving in runners. Two minutes later they were talking about how the strike outs in the middle of the Jays order was killing the team. All I could do was laugh.

MP
_Mick - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#90373) #
it's ellipsis. An ellipse is a geometric figure.

Well, you start off wrong, but end up right, so I guess it's a wash. The secondary (dictionary) definition of "ellipse" is "n. ellipsis." Meaning the one has come to mean the other, probably through the gradual laziness of American writers and speakers like me who don't like the double-ess sound ending the word.

I love ellipses ... note the name of my previous post this week ... Elliptical Information ...

In fact ... and ask Gizzi for confirmation on this ... there's very little an M.A. in English will do for a body ... except, in my case, anyway, to allow for tagalong collaborative authorship (with my lovely bride the technical editor) in low-paying chapter contributions to writing guides for Scott/Foresman and Longman and a few others.

C'mon, an ex-English major trying to hang on for dear life to an editorial job for a company that's been teetering on the edge of bankruptcy for a month ... give me this one. Pleeeeease. I'm begging you ...

(Or should that be ...)
I'm begging you .... (?)
_King Rat - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#90374) #
Mick...

Geez...I dunno...maybe I should...

I concede the point. Though I can't quite understand how I started off wrong and ended right, if anything, it seems to me to be the other way around. The only rule of writing I truly feel strongly about is the use of exclamation marks; I'm against it in all circumstances. You can have this one.
Craig B - Thursday, April 17 2003 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#90375) #
The only rule of writing I truly feel strongly about is the use of exclamation marks; I'm against it in all circumstances.

Fascist!
_dp - Friday, April 18 2003 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#90376) #
Re: pseudonyms- I was going to say something semi-intelligent here, but King Rat pretty much made the points I was going to! I think you have to tolerate a little idiocy in exchange for the openness allowing non-registered posts provides! If it gets out of hand, like it looked like it was going to on Primer, then you might have to do something, but otherwise, it seems pretty harmless!!!!!!!!!
_King Rat - Friday, April 18 2003 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#90377) #
Re: pseudonyms- I was going to say something semi-intelligent here, but King Rat pretty much made the points I was going to! I think you have to tolerate a little idiocy in exchange for the openness allowing non-registered posts provides! If it gets out of hand, like it looked like it was going to on Primer, then you might have to do something, but otherwise, it seems pretty harmless!!!!!!!!!

Why do I have the uncomfortable feeling that this might be the start of a trend? Forget malicious impersonation as a problem, Coach-a far more insidious threat looms over the Batter's Box. Death to exclamation marks. (Ironically, the last sentence is one of the few examples I can think of where one of the hideous punctuations would have been appropriate.)
_dp - Friday, April 18 2003 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#90378) #
Kir Rat- I hate the damn things too- my post was intended as a joke. I have to grade freshman level papers pretty often, and the use of excalmaton marks is almost as annoying as the random comma generator most students seem to have in their word processor.
_Shrike - Friday, April 18 2003 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#90379) #
Well, speaking for myself, I've been known to use a comma, I like them very, very much. -)
Gitz - Friday, April 18 2003 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#90380) #
Everyone remember the Seinfeld where Elaine edited a book and put extra exclamation points in?

"Yesterday I took a walk to the store!"
"It was there where I bought a hot dog!"

When used satirically, anything goes -- even perfidious exclamation points.
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