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As RBillie noted in another thread, the Blue Jays have made some coaching changes in their farm system. There's already some controversy over the choice of new Syracuse pitching coach Brad Arnsberg, who was fired by the Marlins along with Jeff Torborg earlier this year, a parting that did not go well: GM Larry Beinfest accused Arnsberg of being "abusive ... clearly unprofessional ... bordering on violent" when he received the news (Arnsberg denies the last part at least). He was associated, some say wrongly, with the overwork of the Marlins' young staff under Torborg, but most of his young pitchers have nothing bad to say about him. Arnsberg is apparently a fiery guy who builds close personal bonds with his pitchers and demands the utmost from them. He'll now be in charge of developing and protecting three of the organization's most important assets: Dustin McGowan, David Bush and Jason Arnold.

Also of interest, but generating less attention, is the promotion of New Haven manager Marty Pevey to manage Syracuse. This is no mere organizational shuffle: he did an excellent job developing the tremendous talent at Double-A in 2003, delivering a division championship. Pevey's regarded as one of the top coaching talents in the minors and as a future big-league manager. He's a name to add to the list of potential future Jays managers and someone to keep an eye on.
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_Ryan - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 12:27 PM EST (#84172) #
I know Arnsberg came with Torborg from Montreal, but what organization(s) was he with before then and in what capacity? I know hardly anything about the guy, aside from what happened in Florida.
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 12:28 PM EST (#84173) #
Anybody that can share some insight about Dane Johnson, pitching roving instructor?
D Holmberg from Auburn did a heck of a job for second year in a row. Is he expecting some sort of promotion or that is the ultimate place for his abilities?
Something that is a bit sad is O Malave demotion, I mean with those Syracuse teams, he has been very good before and in winter leagues.
And from his press conferences, he did dream about being groomed for the bigs and he sees this as a derailment...
_Matthew Elmslie - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 01:18 PM EST (#84174) #
The only thing I know about Arnsberg is that he came up as a pitcher with the Rangers and the Toronto hitters made him wish he'd never been born.
_R Billie - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 02:22 PM EST (#84175) #
The good thing about Dunedin is that Malave should have a lot more pitching depth than he had in Syracuse this year. Maybe more offensive depth for that matter with all those college hitters including Hill and Vito.

I mean you start out with a staff of Perkins, League, Banks, Vermilyea, Isenberg, Mastny, Marcum, Buzachero, Reed, Romero, etc. In fact, Pleiness may not get innings here after stumbling in just his first full year. With any luck a few of those guys move up to AA by mid-season.

Although it's understandably a demotion I think Malave is in a position to succeed and he should be able to prove himself capable of moving up if not in Toronto then another organization. I think he was stuck in a bad situation in Syracuse where there just wasn't much depth to the team and few of the veteran minor leaguers worked out as hoped for.

But I think Pevey moving up all but guarantees most if not all the key players from the AA team (possibly excepting Adams and Griffin) will start in AAA with the same manager.
_Brent - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 03:53 PM EST (#84176) #
I just found something humorous:

It appears that Jim Bowie, Manchester's new hitting coach, is giving one-on-one batting lessons in California (the advertisement is right next to the poll). Gitz, this is your chance.
_coliver - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 04:56 PM EST (#84177) #
R Billie's take on Omar Malave is right on the money. I am sure Malave will help the Dunedin players, but he deserves a big league opportunity. The Jays are not fully utilizing Omar--he would be a good coach under Tosca.

Make Malave the Bench Boach, or...
Move Gibbons to the bench coach position and make Malave the First Base Coach.

Any opinions???
_A - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 05:39 PM EST (#84178) #
Any opinions???
Let Malave develop a repoir with the younger players he will one day manage. If his system works well over a two or three season stretch, the Big Club will have a solid core of players that have already bought into his system. It may be wise to consider giving him a one year transition from AAA to ML as a Bench Coach or Third Base Coach but then we will potentially see a lot of insecurity from Tosca based around the likelihood of him losing his position at seasons end almost regardless of their record.
Craig B - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 06:01 PM EST (#84179) #
Jim Bowie, Manchester's new hitting coach, is giving one-on-one batting lessons in California... Gitz, this is your chance

Is he offering hitting lessons, or does he have a pill that will make him six inches taller?

(I understand, Gitz, I'm a short-arse too)
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 06:19 PM EST (#84180) #
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Is he offering hitting lessons, or does he have a pill that will make him six inches taller

Being tall isn't all birthday parties and pony rides. My strike zone is the size of Estonia. Plus it's pretty hard to have quick hands when your arms are ten feet long.

Sure helps the ol' fastball, tho. :)

Mike
_coliver - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 06:21 PM EST (#84181) #
A brings up several good points.

Does J.P hold Malave in high regard or is he considered to be part of the "Old Jays"? Does Omar have a future or is he hanging by his fingertips? I have seen him both as a coach and a manager in Syracuse and he handles players very very effectively!
_Ryan - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 07:01 PM EST (#84182) #
This may just be a wild theory, but it could be that the Blue Jays are rotating their managers at the three upper levels so that they can stay with the same group of prospects as they develop. Here's how it's shaping up:

A / AA / AAA
2002 Pevey Wheeler Malave
2003 Basso Pevey Malave
2004 Malave Basso Pevey

2005? Pevey Malave Basso

Just remember, you heard it here first! (and probably last)
Thomas - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 09:16 PM EST (#84183) #
I agree that the Jays should give Malave a chance, but I do find it to be an interesting idea that they are rotating with the prospects. That would explain Malave's demotion, however considering we have no bench coach I'm not sure it's quite the right move. I hope JP explained it to him, if he demoted him for the reason of giving him some talent to work with.

I am not happy with the addition of Arnsberg. JP must have a good reason for doing this, however based on what I heard of him out of Florida and from Will Carroll at the Pizza Feed, this is not someone I would want to let near Arnold, Bush, McGowan, etc...
_Jonny German - Tuesday, November 04 2003 @ 10:26 PM EST (#84184) #
Pardon my ignorance, but could someone give me a quick history of Omar Malave? I don't know his background or accomplishments, so I'm in the dark as to why this is a significant move.
_coliver - Wednesday, November 05 2003 @ 07:42 AM EST (#84185) #
Omar Malave has been a Blue Jay "lifer". He played in the minor leagues for several years, playing a bit of everywhere, but mostly third base. He began his Blue Jays coaching career in the early 1990s at Medicine Hat and has steadily moved up since. In this respect, he reminds me of former Blue Jays minor league coach and useful organization man, Eddie Dennis.

Malave has a reputation of being a good handler of ballplayers and being a very honest and fair individual. A few years back, I had the pleasure of having dinner with the father of a Jays prospect and he said that although his son was in his third year at Knoxville, and a bit frustrated, he enjoyed playing for Malave. Note: This player (all power, no plate discipline) eventually made the Jays for a two-week period, and played in two games.

Omar can also be tough on his players if circumstances require it--I remember Malave giving this same player hell in the Syracuse dugout after a display of unprofessionalism by the player.

He is very qualified to work at the major league level.
_Ryan01 - Wednesday, November 05 2003 @ 09:58 AM EST (#84186) #
Geez Ryan, not only do we have the same name, but I'm pretty sure you're stealing my thoughts as well. That was the same wild theory I came up with when I first saw the moves a couple days ago. I doubt it's true but it would certainly be an interesting experiment.

Until 2002, Malave had a streak of 9 consecutive winning seasons with the Jays farm teams, 5 of those teams making the playoffs. He's clearly an excellent leader and most definitely fits in with the JP camp. He was just stuck with some poor teams at AAA the last two years and is likely just being given a fresh start. I also faintly remember hearing a while ago that Malave's home was in Florida. It's possible he requested the move himself.

Ryan, aka xerone, zero1
Coach - Wednesday, November 05 2003 @ 11:39 AM EST (#84187) #
Unless you were sitting in the dugout listening to conversations between Brad Arnsberg and Jeff Torborg, it's hard to blame both of them for abusing pitchers. Two days after his surgery last May, A.J. Burnett suggested that the Marlins front office kept secrets.

"There's a rumor out there that our management had known there was a bone spur in my elbow upon arriving from the Montreal Expos to the Florida Marlins, and both Brad Arnsberg and Jeff Torborg were not told about this," Burnett said Thursday. "I'm sure if they were told about this, I would have been handled differently."

If we have to choose between the credibility of A.J. Burnett and that of Jeffrey Loria, it should be easy. Pitch counts aside, Mike Berardino of the Sun-Sentinel wrote glowingly about Arnsberg's character after he was fired.

No coach has ever cared more about his athletes, and no one will ever work any harder on their behalf.

Arnsberg treated his pitchers like sons. He invested physically, mentally and emotionally in them. He went hunting with them, fishing with them, running with them.


That sounds like a guy J.P. wants in the organization. I'm sure that Brad is in accord with the Jays' philosophy about workloads, or he wouldn't have been hired.

Does J.P hold Malave in high regard or is he considered to be part of the "Old Jays"?

If he wasn't held in high regard, he would have been replaced, not reassigned. I don't profess to know the reasons for the minor-league managerial shuffle. It looks like they want to keep Peavy with the group of prize prospects he managed so successfully last year, and the same with Basso. Perhaps Malave is considered to be more valuable working with younger kids.

As to anyone's qualifications to work in the big leagues, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of minor league coaches and managers who deserve an opportunity, but those jobs don't open up very often, and when they do, there's competition from the likes of Don Mattingly and Paul Molitor. What's really surprising is that the great Mike Schmidt agreed to ride the buses this year to enhance his managerial resume; he's sure to leapfrog some "qualified" candidates as soon as they tire of Bowa's act.
Craig B - Wednesday, November 05 2003 @ 03:02 PM EST (#84188) #
it could be that the Blue Jays are rotating their managers at the three upper levels so that they can stay with the same group of prospects as they develop.

If they are, that's the smartest goddamn thing I've seen out of a front office in ten years, maybe. It never occurred to me before that point that you would do that, it occurs to me now that it makes much more sense than doing it the other way.

A guy who had 25 guys for three years is going to become more knowledgable about them than anyone could over one year. And it reduces the potential for player-manager problems putting a guy's development off track, too, since players will be able to adapt.
_Drummond - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 12:07 AM EST (#84189) #
Thought this would be the best thread to put this in.

1) Anybody see the Baseball America rankings for the 2003 draft? Jays ranked 3rd (after ranking 1st in 2002).

2) Jays signed Josue Matos (Seattle). Six-year free agent. Great numbers in AA last year. 104K in 88.1IP (37BB). Anybody have info on this guy?
Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 08:38 AM EST (#84190) #
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Where did you find out about Matos? I can't find that transaction anywhere.

He looks pretty good.. a former starter who was converted to a reliever. 88.1 innings in 44 appearances.

Baseball Cube has his stats here.

Mike
_Drummond - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 09:56 AM EST (#84191) #
FoxSports/Sportingnews of all places...

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1021046

The Jays have signed RHP Josue Matos away from the Mariners as a minor league free agent ...
_Spicol - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 10:16 AM EST (#84192) #
Re: Matos

He'll be 26 next March and has spent most of his career in AA or below. Had ok control in the past (2.41BB/9IP career before this year) but slipped last season (3.77BB/9) despite improving his K-rate. He's given up about 1 HR every 8 innings over his career. My reaction to this is:

Ehhh. *shrugs shoulders*

In other words, he's filler.
_Drummond - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 10:47 AM EST (#84193) #
Filler, probably. But this is exactly the type of signing the Jays need to make. Sign some of the six-year free agents with solid SO/IP ratio's to fill out the pitching. Perhaps one of these guys can make some nosie at the major league level and at the minimum provide a cheap alternative as a right-handed reliever.

Both Baseball Prospectus and John Sickels had targeted Matos as somewhat of a sleeper back in 2001...

Guess he throws his fastball in the high 80's for strikes. Can mix four pitches effectively...with his changeup being his best pitch. Currently Puerto Rico's #2 starter in the Americas Olympic qualifiying tournament.
Coach - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 10:48 AM EST (#84194) #
In other words, he's filler.

That may be, Spicol. On the other hand, Matos missed all of 2001 with an injury, struggled a bit in 2002 (which could be expected) then blossomed last year when moved to the bullpen.

If the Jays try him out in Dunedin and he ends up in the Syracuse 'pen, there's nothing wrong with this signing. And there is some upside; the last reliever they got from the Seattle system was even older, and has worked out pretty well so far.
_Ryan01 - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 11:04 AM EST (#84195) #
Yes he "blossomed" in the bullpen at AA this year. But he did spend a full year getting hit very hard at AAA last year. Considering his age and the fact that he was moved down a level, his stats can't really be taken at face value. Most likely, his stuff just isn't good enough to fool good hitters. Nonetheless the K/BB rates have been consistently good, he's definitely worth a shot. He probably has a similar cieling to Thurman and doesn't cost a roster spot.
_Spicol - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 11:12 AM EST (#84196) #
If the Jays try him out in Dunedin and he ends up in the Syracuse 'pen, there's nothing wrong with this signing.

There's nothing wrong with this signing. He's filler and as Drummond has said, it's the kind of signing JP needs to make a bunch of. It's simply nothing to get excited about. It's very highly unlikely Matos makes it to the majors with Toronto.

The comparison between Matos and Lopez is really too optimistic. Lopez had a history of good k-rates, low HR totals and average control. He'd also had success in AAA...in the PCL even. Matos doesn't quite have the same resume, even if you factor he was recovering from injury in 2002.
Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 11:20 AM EST (#84197) #
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I like the signing as well (though I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere). The idea is to sign 10 guys with upside like this in the hope that 1 of them becomes the next Brendan Donnelly. It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that Matos could be that guy, even if he probably won't be.

Mike
_Jabonoso - Thursday, November 06 2003 @ 12:15 PM EST (#84198) #
Well, the very same org that grow tired about Aq., grow tired of Matos for the very same reason: too old and still in the minors ( albeit they do not have plans to have a spot for them in a very well rounded pen ). Somebody else to monitor both in the pre-Olympics and in the PR winter league. He is in high regard on both places...
Back to Malave, he used to have a daily press conference at syracuse.com Skychiefs Baseball and he declared that he feel this as a demotion and that looking hard for a positive, it was that he will be driving to work from his home
_Cobra Pop - Saturday, December 06 2003 @ 08:41 PM EST (#84199) #
My 13 year old son is currently taking private lessons from Brad and I find his theories on pitching to be very credible. If you believe in Nolan Ryan, you'll believe in Brad. Granted everyone doesn't have the talent as Nolan, if you follow his theories on pitching and conditioning, you can't be too far off. Quite a few youth pitching coaches in Texas claim to use Nolan as an example, but Brad played with him for several years, and has the experience to back it up. He learned alot from Nolan in the years working with him. From what I have read and heard, Brad was on the way out due to personal reasons. If the Florida pitchers don't blame him, that tells me all I need to know. PERSONAL VENDETTA!!
_James - Sunday, December 07 2003 @ 01:10 AM EST (#84200) #
Who is the head coache at Rookie level Pulaski now? Where is Paul Elliott going to in 2004? I thought he did very well coaching us in Pulaski.
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