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BBFL BBFL Owners Vote Overwhelmingly in Support of Expansion
By a 16-2 margin, current BBFL owners chose to double the size of the league and add a 2nd 20-team division that will start play this season. Eighteen of the twenty current owners voted on all 11 propositions, with one team abstaining, and one person simply not showing up. In a rather close vote, the league decided to have three teams relegated between divisions each season.

Now on to the important information!

What you need to know

  1. The Draft
    We have obtained the following draft slots:
    • Alomar Division Thursday, April 1, 9:00PM EST
    • Barfield Division Thursday, April 1, 9:30PM EST

  2. Owners on the waiting list: We now have 20 open spots in the league. If you are on the waiting list and would like a team, you have until Monday, February 23, 11:59PM EST to tell me that you'd like a team. You can do that either via e-mail at economics.guide@about.com, or you can just leave a message in this thread. If we have more than 20 respondents, teams will be handed out based on the priority ordering of the waiting list.


On to the voting results! The numbers in brackets beside some outcomes indicate how many 1st, 2nd, 3rd. etc. votes a particular proposition received.

Proposition 201: Rule Changes be limited to the Off-Season Rule Change Period
(a) yes - 18 votes
(b) no - 0 votes

Proposition 202: 2004-2005 Off-Season Time Line
(a) Use Current Moffatt Schedule Next Off-Season 11 votes
(b) Discuss at Beginning of Next Off-Season 7 votes

Proposition 203: Add a Second Twenty Team Division (the Barfield Division) to the BBFL
(a) Yes - 16 votes
(b) No - 2 votes

Proposition 204: If Proposition 203 Passes, How Many Teams Relegated Each Year
(b) 3 - 58 points (9,5,3,1)
(c) 4 - 55 points (4,11,3,0)
(d) 5 - 38 points (2,2,10,4)
(a) 0 - 29 points (3,0,2,13)

Proposition 205: If Propositions 203 and 204 Pass (where pass is implied to mean 0 not chosen), What Order Used to Swap Teams
(b) Worst Alomar Finisher Assigned Worst Promoted Barfield Team (and so on) - 65 points (5,5,5,2,1)
(e) Rosters of Relegated and Promoted Teams Drafted at Season's End - 56 points (6,2,2,4,4)
(d) Barfield Team Chooses Alomar Team to Take Over - 54 points (4,5,2,1,6)
(a) Worst Alomar Finisher Assigned Best Barfield Team (and so on) - 50 points (1,5,3,7,2)
(c) Random Assignment - 45 points (2,1,6,4,5)


Proposition 206: Switch to Yahoo Premium with a Cost of $7 Per Team
(a) Yes - 15 votes
(b) No - 3 votes

Proposition 207: If Proposition 203 Passes, Will Barfield Division Be a Keeper League?
(a) Yes - 12 votes
(b) No - 6 votes

Proposition 208: Adopt names Alomar Division and Barfield Division (if nec) permanently:
(a) Yes - 14 votes
(b) No - 6 votes

Proposition 209: If Proposition 203 Passes and 204 Passes, should the bottom "X" teams of the Barfield division be relegated, where "X" is determined by Proposition 204.
(a) Bottom X Barfield teams be relegated to the Carter Division if it is created. If Carter Division is not created, teams not relegated. - 44 points (8,10,0)
(c) Bottom X Barfield teams not relegated - 33 points (5,5,8)
(b) Bottom X Barfield teams be relegated to the Carter Division if it is created. If Carter Division is not created, owners of these teams replaced by people on the waiting list. - 31 points (5,3,10)

Proposition 210: The draft be held at 9:00PM EST to accomodate players from the West Coast, and that we attempt to get a date around the 1st of April.
(a) Yes - 18 votes
(b) No - 0 votes

Proposition 211: If Propositions 203 and 204 Pass, how should standings for relegation purposes be determined?
(a) By order of regular season finish - 14 votes
(b) By order of playoff finish - 4 votes
Posted by Pepper Moffatt on Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:26 AM EST.
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_A - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:51 AM EST (#78187) #
...Maybe it's all the not sleeping but I am thoroughly confused by a couple of the proposals that were passed and how they effect the league. Is it possible to have these scribbled down in a less conditional tone?

I'll take a team (I believe I was #17 on the list). Thanks for all the work, Comish :-)
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:58 AM EST (#78188) #
http://economics.about.com
...Maybe it's all the not sleeping but I am thoroughly confused by a couple of the proposals that were passed and how they effect the league.

Here's the Coles notes (Cliff's notes for the Americans) version of the outcome:

  1. You can't change the rules halfway through a season
  2. We have a set timeline for when things happen
  3. We're expanding
  4. 3 teams relegated each year
  5. After relegation 18th Alomar and 1st Barfield owners trade places. So do 19th Alomar and 2nd Barfield, and 20th Alomar and 3rd Barfield
  6. It now costs $7 to play, but we get tons of useful features
  7. At the end of the year Barfield and Alomar owners get to decide what 5 players they'd like to keep for next season
  8. We're adopting the names Alomar and Barfield for the divisions
  9. The worst 3 teams in Barfield will be relegated to Carter division if we decide to create one next year. If we don't create Carter, they're not relegated.
  10. We're having the draft after 9pm.
  11. Relegation is based on regular season standings.


If there's any of those you'd like clarified, let me know. :)

Cheers,

Mike
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Craig B - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:07 AM EST (#78189) #
I'm taking a team in the Barfield Division.

Incidentally, Mike has offered me the post of League President for the Barfield Division and I have accepted. We'll probably confirm that by a vote of owners once the league is filled up.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:10 AM EST (#78190) #
http://economics.about.com
Incidentally, Mike has offered me the post of League President for the Barfield Division and I have accepted. We'll probably confirm that by a vote of owners once the league is filled up.

Hey, I thought my word made it final! :)

I'm happy to announce that Mr. Craig Burley will be the Joe Cronin to my Bowie Kuhn. If you can't fill up the positions of power with your cronies, what's power worth?

Cheers,

Mike
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_Mick - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:13 AM EST (#78191) #
As a disinterested non-participant, I'd like to suggest that putting a league presidency in the hands of The Cabal may not be wise.

Ooooh ... what pretty black helicopters outside my office win ...
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_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:14 AM EST (#78192) #
I want a team!

By the way, Coach, that league you passed me on to isn't talking to me for some bizarre reason.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:19 AM EST (#78193) #
http://economics.about.com
I want a team!

By the way, Coach, that league you passed me on to isn't talking to me for some bizarre reason.

I'd love to give you a team, but you aren't on the waiting list. :(

I can add you to the list if you'd like, but given the interest in the league, it's highly unlikely that you'll get one this season.

Cheers,

Mike
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:20 AM EST (#78194) #
http://economics.about.com
FYI, here's the waiting list:

1 Pistol
2 Whittaker
3 Gitz
4 Burley
5 MacKenzie
6 Delorme
7 Vanstrien
8 Simon
9 Baseballnut
10 Ben
11 Beaudry
12 Goodwin, M
13 Mackinnon
14 sweat
15 Couchot
16 Andrew
17 Chaleff-Freudenthaler
18 Sprague
19 Armitage
20 Jackson
21 Goodwin, D
22 Emshey
23 Pettapiece
24 Bembenek
25 Navin
26 Maslanyk
27 Waters

Cheers,

Mike
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Craig B - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:26 AM EST (#78195) #
As a disinterested non-participant, I'd like to suggest that putting a league presidency in the hands of The Cabal may not be wise.

There Is No Cabal.
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_David Goodwin - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:36 AM EST (#78196) #
Mike, thanks for the great work coordinating all of this.

A clarification question: how does paying the $7 fee work? I've done my reading on the Yahoo site and it seems that the commish must fork out $124.95 and then provide us with the League ID and password and we reap the benefits of it being a Plus League. If there's no tax on that fee, that's $6.25 US$ each, which at the current rate of exchange is roughly $8.25. For those of us not able to see you in person, do you take cheques?? And for the Barfield division, will Craig B be administering the collection duties?
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Joe - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:40 AM EST (#78197) #
http://me.woot.net
Ooooh ... what pretty black helicopters outside my office win ...

The Cabal is forcing me to mention that Mick wouldn't know an original idea if it bit him.

By the way, all new team owners, send an e-mail to bbfl-subscribe@battersbox.ca to subscribe to the BBFL mailing list.
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_David Goodwin - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:41 AM EST (#78198) #
Reading the fine print:

If anyone is a resident of Arizona, Florida, Maryland, Vermont, Montana, Louisiana, New Jersey, Arkansas, or Tennessee, you are welcome to play in the Yahoo Plus League, but are ineligible to win a prize.

It doesn't say anything about Canada, and if I remember correctly, someone here in the Box mentioned they received a new Fighting Jays jersey as winner of one of these premium Yahoo leagues last year.
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_Matt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:41 AM EST (#78199) #
arghhh... I was hoping to jump onboard too...
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:44 AM EST (#78200) #
http://economics.about.com
A clarification question: how does paying the $7 fee work? I've done my reading on the Yahoo site and it seems that the commish must fork out $124.95 and then provide us with the League ID and password and we reap the benefits of it being a Plus League. If there's no tax on that fee, that's $6.25 US$ each, which at the current rate of exchange is roughly $8.25. For those of us not able to see you in person, do you take cheques?? And for the Barfield division, will Craig B be administering the collection duties?

I'll be administering the fee for both divisions. So I'll be paying the fees for both and I'll have everyone mail me cash/cheque/Mattingly rookie cards. If you don't pay in time, I'll send my enforcer after you. :)

Once I've paid the fees, I'll know the exact amount I need to get from each team. It should be a bit less than $7US/$9Cdn.

Cheers,

Mike
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Craig B - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:52 AM EST (#78201) #
If you send Ben after me, can I keep him? He's adorable. Riley would love him.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:56 AM EST (#78202) #
http://economics.about.com
If you send Ben after me, can I keep him? He's adorable.

Sure... he's driving me nuts! He's the most active cat I've ever seen. He loves to run around everywhere and explore and attack everything. Unfortunately he hates the cold, so for the last 2 months he's been doing all of this indoors.

Fortunately my dogs are narcoleptic, so I'm not chasing too many creatures around the house. The fun of living in a place that has more animals than people!

Cheers,

Mike
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Pistol - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:01 AM EST (#78203) #
FYI, here's the waiting list:
1 Pistol

I'm in, and I look forward to winning an Alomar Title by 2007.

The worst 3 teams in Barfield will be relegated to Carter division if we decide to create one next year. If we don't create Carter, they're not relegated.

So if there's a Carter division and 3 teams are relegated from Barfield to Carter, where are the 3 teams coming from to replace the teams leaving Barfield? The waiting list?

It doesn't say anything about Canada, and if I remember correctly, someone here in the Box mentioned they received a new Fighting Jays jersey as winner of one of these premium Yahoo leagues last year.

That was me, but I'm a US resident.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:02 AM EST (#78204) #
http://economics.about.com
So if there's a Carter division and 3 teams are relegated from Barfield to Carter, where are the 3 teams coming from to replace the teams leaving Barfield? The waiting list?

Yep. The top 3 people on the waiting list.

Cheers,

Mike
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_Gwyn - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:10 AM EST (#78205) #
I'll be administering the fee for both divisions. So I'll be paying the fees for both and I'll have everyone mail me cash/cheque/Mattingly rookie cards. If you don't pay in time, I'll send my enforcer after you. :)

Can we use that new-fangled internet thing and pay via paypal ?
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:12 AM EST (#78206) #
http://economics.about.com
Can we use that new-fangled internet thing and pay via paypal ?

Forgot about that option! Sure, go ahead. You'll just end up feeding my eBay habit. I don't think I'll collect enough to get this, though.

Cheers,

Mike
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_NIck - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:30 AM EST (#78207) #
Hey Andrew, I'm the commish of the league (Operation Shutdown) you're talking about. I sent a couple of emails, but didn't hear back from you. Perhaps I had the wrong email address for you?

Also, Mike, can you add me to the waiting list?
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_Jurgen - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:33 AM EST (#78208) #
Man, I hate democracy.

Um, what are we going to do if owners don't pay?
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:36 AM EST (#78209) #
http://economics.about.com
Um, what are we going to do if owners don't pay?

We can work something out if an owner can't/won't pay. Given all the stuff you get for $7, it really is a great deal. I'm not expecting anyone to pay today, so start saving your pennies!

Cheers,

Mike
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Leigh - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:50 AM EST (#78210) #
I'll take a team; number 18 on the waiting list.
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Lucas - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 11:27 AM EST (#78211) #
Is it possible for a non-owner in the Barfield division to be able to view it? If so, could you (Craig) email me the league number and password? That way, I can stat the league for the BBFL website.
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_AGF - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 12:06 PM EST (#78212) #
Great work everyone! Now, more importantly, when do we get to trade? Randy, M. Giles, Mariano, Moyer, C. Zambrano, Juan Gone, Griffey, Patterson, and Nevin adds up to a lot more than 5 and some will nedd a fresh start somewhere else than AGF...
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 12:18 PM EST (#78213) #
http://economics.about.com
Great work everyone! Now, more importantly, when do we get to trade? Randy, M. Giles, Mariano, Moyer, C. Zambrano, Juan Gone, Griffey, Patterson, and Nevin adds up to a lot more than 5 and some will nedd a fresh start somewhere else than AGF

Since my schedule was accepted, we get to trade... NOW!

My 5 keepers are:
Jeter
Abreu
Bunny Kim
Wells
Larry Walker

A couple people e-mailed me to let me know what their keepers are.. I'll have to dig those out.

Cheers,

Mike
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_Donkit R.K. - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 12:20 PM EST (#78214) #
MacKinnon, here (no. 13 I believe). Consider me in!
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_Shrike - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 12:40 PM EST (#78215) #
Happy with the voting outcome.

I'm in, as I was #2 on the waiting list.

Of course, I'll finish #1 in Barfield this year. ;)

Seriously, though, knowing that Gitz and Burley (not to mention others whose acumen I'm less familiar with) are in this league makes me believe that the competition will be fierce.
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_King Rat - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 12:40 PM EST (#78216) #
The Moscow Rats, at present, will open the season with these keepers:

Garciaparra
Sexson
Peavy
Wilkerson
Batista (Miguel, that is)

So if anyone is interested in trying to trade for these guys or for some of my other super players that charged to a, uh, 16th place finish last year, let me know at the email address Mike sent out. I've got such stars as Baldelli, Crazy Carl Everett, Meche and Padilla in addition to the ones I'm thinking of keeping...
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_Johnny Mack - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 12:54 PM EST (#78217) #
Woo Hoo! I'm number 5 on the list for Barfield. MacKenzie definitely wants a team.
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_Simon - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 01:00 PM EST (#78218) #
Moffatt, you can remove me from the list. Thanks for keeping me in mind though. I'll follow the league this year and see how it goes.
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Lucas - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 01:09 PM EST (#78219) #
http://bbfl.scottlucas.com
Keeper additions noted, "who's who" section added. COMN. I also adjusted the names of a couple of files to reflect the "Alomar" moniker.
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_David Goodwin - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 01:10 PM EST (#78220) #
Simon, you just made my day! I was previously on the outside looking in at 21, and now I'm in... Bring on the BBFL!
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_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 01:24 PM EST (#78221) #
Might as well add me to the list, if only for next year.
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_Andrew Edwards - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 01:26 PM EST (#78222) #
Nick:

There must be something weird with our email communication. Sorry about that. I've replied to the email you sent me. If you don't get my reply, let me know, and I'll try something else.

-AE
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Craig B - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:02 PM EST (#78223) #
Andrew, I'm sure a lot of those folks aren't regular regulars, if you know what I mean. I hope there will be a place for you when the dust settles.
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_Rob - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:10 PM EST (#78224) #
Don't have a team yet (22), but if two more go off the list between now and my next post, sign me up Mike! I'll start saving my toonies or twonies or whatever we call those coins.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:14 PM EST (#78225) #
http://economics.about.com
I've gotten quite a few requests from people who:

  1. Are on the waiting list and want a team OR
  2. Who are not on the waiting list and would like to be placed on it


I'll get to those requests later tonight, so I haven't forgotten about you.

Also, I can't stress this enough: If I haven't gotten back to you within 48 hours, e-mail me again! Generally I respond within hours, so if you haven't heard from me, chances are I didn't get your e-mail. I received 1,226 pieces of e-mail yesterday, 95% of which was spam. To preserve my sanity, About installed a rather agressive spam filter, and messages to get lost from time to time.

Also, my 5th keeper is Vernon Wells, not David. Sorry for the mixup. :)

Cheers,

Mike
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Gitz - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:16 PM EST (#78226) #
OK, Moffatt, count me in. I look forward to being bullied by the despotic Burley. Makes you wish there WAS a cabal.
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_Johnny Mack - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:25 PM EST (#78227) #
How about a round of applause for Mike Moffat, folks? He's doing a hell of a job coordinating all this.
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_Shrike - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:25 PM EST (#78228) #
Don't underestimate the tyrannical powers of this Canuck. Perhaps Burley and I will form a secret cabal, youneverknow . . .
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_Shrike - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:26 PM EST (#78229) #
Agreed. Some claps from the West Coast . . .
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Gitz - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:26 PM EST (#78230) #
How about a round of applause for Mike Moffat, folks? He's doing a hell of a job coordinating all this.

This is easy for Moffatt, because he has no life. Request for applause denied.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:27 PM EST (#78231) #
http://economics.about.com
How about a round of applause for Mike Moffat, folks? He's doing a hell of a job coordinating all this.

No worries. I just need my department to give me a secretary. Like all academics, I'm terribly disorganized.

Now, let's see if I can get to my meeting without being more than 5 minutes late. :)

Cheers,

Mike
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_Johnny Mack - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:28 PM EST (#78232) #
(he says heartily, echoing David Goodwin's sentiment)
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_Johnny Mack - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:31 PM EST (#78233) #
I'm very slow. But that doesn't mean I won't be in contention until of the last game of the season.
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Lucas - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 02:36 PM EST (#78234) #
Also, my 5th keeper is Vernon Wells, not David. Sorry for the mixup. :)

Nope. Too late, man. Already put it on the website.

:)
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Gitz - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 03:01 PM EST (#78235) #
Mike M., in case you sift my e-mail, I already joined the Barfield Division, so don't send me an invite, if that's in fact what you were planning to do.

Some people are too glib in their e-mails, eh Burley? And don't worry about me meddling in the regular season, as Moffatt suggested I might. It won't be MY fault you waived Vladimir Guerrero.
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_David Goodwin - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 03:04 PM EST (#78236) #
When do we get to chime in with our team names? Seeing as most of us are Jays fans, I figure I should stake my claim on W-A-M-C-O, which I use for all my fantasy baseball teams lest someone beat me to it. I guess names will just be selected as we sign up for the league using the ID and password we are provided with?

Yahoo allows name changes throughout the season, so I'm assuming we'll have a gentleman's agreement not to do that, in light of the deadline for name changes of March 1st according to Moffatt's schedule.

And props to Jordan for his new name of SABR Magicians - a nice word play indeed.
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_Shrike - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 03:38 PM EST (#78237) #
Gitz, I'm going to hound you all season unmercifully. I'm your worst nightmare. Really. -)

My secret insight into the hitting exploits of Willie Bloomquist and Quiton McCracken will leave you amazed.
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Lucas - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 03:44 PM EST (#78238) #
In-season name changes make the archivist unhappy. Messes up my stat database.
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_sweat - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 03:47 PM EST (#78239) #
Doesnt being on the waiting list mean that you are in for the new division? If not, count me in NOW. Thanks.
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_Cristian - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 03:49 PM EST (#78240) #
In-season name changes make the archivist unhappy.
In-season name changes make the anarchist very happy.

I'm number fifteen on the list and I definitely want a team. Just dropping in here to confirm in case Mike's spam filter swats my email away.
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_Jim - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 04:01 PM EST (#78241) #
How long is the waiting list?
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_Rob - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 04:09 PM EST (#78242) #
How long is the waiting list?

27 or 28 at last count for a 20-team league Jim. I'm not Commissioner Mike Moffatt, though he could tell you the exact length.
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_David Armitage - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 04:11 PM EST (#78243) #
I want in to Barfield, 19th on the waiting list (that was close.)
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_Anarchist Archi - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 04:19 PM EST (#78244) #
In-season name changes make the archivist unhappy.
In-season name changes make the anarchist very happy.

I'm conflicted.
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_Rob - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 04:36 PM EST (#78245) #
How long do people have to confirm they want a team? March 1st (being the name change deadline) or some other date?
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_Jay Delorme - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 05:14 PM EST (#78246) #
Wooo-hooo...good thing I checked in today. At number 6 on the waiting list I am in. Mike, when you e-mail or get in touch with us, can you please be sure to e-mail a constitution or send me some sort of link to the different rules being used here. It's been a while since I saw that and I just want to be prepared. One day into trading season in my other league and we've pulled a blockbuster that basically means my trading is done there so thankfully there's this league to capture my interest.

Thanks.
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_JackFoley - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 05:54 PM EST (#78247) #
I'm number 22 on the list. I dropped you a line via e-mail but will post here just in case, Mike. I'm interested should a spot open up.
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_Geoff - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 06:00 PM EST (#78248) #
I'm in a league for this year but I'd rather be in the Batter's Box league - I guess if I could be added to the waiting list it would be great - but it would be more for 2005 Carter division purposes than a longshot Barfield berth
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_Rob Andrew - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 07:43 PM EST (#78249) #
The suspense is over - I'm in. (#16)
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 07:53 PM EST (#78250) #
http://economics.about.com
I've just sent out e-mails to everyone who responded, either on here, or via e-mail. So if you were expecting an e-mail and didn't get it, please holler.

Here's the waiting list as it stands, and whether or not someone has accepted or rejected the league:

Rank Last Name
1 Pistol Yes
2 Whittaker Yes
3 Gitz Yes
4 Burley Yes
5 MacKenzie Yes
6 Delorme
7 Vanstrien
8 Simon No
9 Baseballnut
10 Ben
11 Beaudry
12 Goodwin, M Yes
13 Mackinnon Yes
14 sweat Yes
15 Couchot Yes
16 Andrew
17 Chaleff-Freudenthaler Yes
18 Sprague Yes
19 Armitage Yes
20 Jackson Yes
21 Goodwin, D Yes
22 Emshey Yes
23 Pettapiece Yes
24 Bembenek
25 Navin Yes
26 Maslanyk Yes
27 Waters
28 Nichols Yes
29 Edwards
30 Matt
31 Andolina
32 Geoff

I think I've gotten everything straight, but let me know if something is amiss.

Cheers,

Mike
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 07:53 PM EST (#78251) #
http://economics.about.com
It appears I need to add a "Yes" beside slot 16. E-mail coming up!

Cheers,

Mike
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_Ben - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 07:55 PM EST (#78252) #
I would be pleased to have a team too. I'm not sure what number I was but Ben's Men will be marching to a championship this year I can assure you :)
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_Johnny Mack - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:01 PM EST (#78253) #
I'm signed up and can't wait to hear, "Ladies and gentlemen, your 2004 Barfield Division champions ... Schroedingers Bat."
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:02 PM EST (#78254) #
http://economics.about.com
If you're the Ben on my list, you're #10. I'll send that Ben an e-mail, and see if it's you. :)

Cheers,

Mike
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_Jim Lynch - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:05 PM EST (#78255) #
Well, if you'd be so kind as to append me to the bottom of the waiting list :).
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:05 PM EST (#78256) #
http://economics.about.com
Well, if you'd be so kind as to append me to the bottom of the waiting list :)

Done! Were you guys all waiting for me to get home to post? :)

Cheers,

Mike
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_Rob - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:06 PM EST (#78257) #
As I read the list, there are only three spots left in Barfield. Is there a deadline for confirmation, Commissioner Mike?
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:10 PM EST (#78258) #
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you have until Monday, February 23, 11:59PM EST to tell me that you'd like a team.

RE: Spots left. From the top 21 on the list, 15 have said Yes, 1 has said No, and I haven't heard from 5 others. Depending on what those 5 do will determine how far down the list we get.

For those who don't get into Barfield, which appears to be a lot more than I anticipated, I encourage you to start up a league. I hilighly recommend using the BBFL rules. They're a ton of fun!

Cheers,

Mike
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:15 PM EST (#78259) #
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hilighly

Wow. I invented a word!
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_Simon - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:25 PM EST (#78260) #
Not expecting to get a team, but my name is also Simon, and I did at one point send you an email requesting to join the league...perhaps there was some confusion with two Simons being on this board, especially since I sent the email a few weeks before I started posting on here. i'm interested to know, and probably would like to be put on the waiting list for next year. I'd very much look forward to competing in a league against Chaleff-Freudenthaler, who was my teammate on Kent's high school team 2 years ago.
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:27 PM EST (#78261) #
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Not expecting to get a team, but my name is also Simon, and I did at one point send you an email requesting to join the league.

Oh no! I hope I didn't get two people mixed up.

Please e-mail me at economics.guide@about.com and I'll see if your e-mail address matches up with the one I have on the waiting list. Then I'll know who is who.

It must be Miller Time,

Mike
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:28 PM EST (#78262) #
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Nope.. the "Simon" has the same e-mail address as the guy on my waiting list. Whew. I've gone through my e-mails with a fine tooth comb, to make sure I e-mailed everyone who e-mailed me... but e-mail me anyway and hopefully we can get this sorted out.

Cheers,

Mike
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_Simon - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:41 PM EST (#78263) #
OK, I sort of figured that was the case, but just out of curiosity, did you or did you not get my email? I sent it something like 2 weeks ago i think. I'll send you another one and you can put me on the bottom of the waiting list I guess.
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_Keith Talent - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:43 PM EST (#78264) #
I'm not on the waiting list now, but would love to play: sign me up!
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:47 PM EST (#78265) #
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OK, I sort of figured that was the case, but just out of curiosity, did you or did you not get my email? I sent it something like 2 weeks ago i think.

If it was in the last couple of weeks, then no, I don't think I have. I don't recall seeing it. There was a couple of e-mails I saved in a BBFL folder and totally forgot to respond to, but that was cleared up a few days ago and I replied to everyone who had an e-mail in there.

I highly recommend that someone start a BBFL type league, because I don't think we're going to get past 21 or 22 on the waiting list.

It's funny, back in November, I was begging for people to join the waiting list. Where was everyone back then?!? :)

Cheers,

Mike
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_snellville jone - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 08:59 PM EST (#78266) #
Perhaps we could start a seperate thread devoted to trade discussion tomorrow?
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_bird droppings - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:04 PM EST (#78267) #
I've now sent three e-mails to Mike from two accounts and have not recieved a reply concerning the BBFL. I would like to have a team. Please include me on the waiting list. Also, if I was you, I would look into why the emails are not being recieved....

Email me. bembenek@rogers.com OR bembenek@mail.com

Mike Bembenek
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Pepper Moffatt - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:06 PM EST (#78268) #
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I've created an exact replica of the BBFL for all you who will be left out. I'll be playing in it as well.

It's called "The Leftovers". It's league 57444 and the password is dawson. It won't be joining premium, so it's completely free.

So if you want a team in the league, sign up! First come, first serve.

Cheers,

Mike
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_bird droppings - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:09 PM EST (#78269) #
I'm on the waiting list. Nevermind. I am a sad sad sad man.

Apologies.

Man, I really outta start reading the entire thread before replying...

Thanks Mike from Mike
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_Rob - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:15 PM EST (#78270) #
Thanks Mike. I joined the Leftovers, so feel free to take me (23) off the waiting list. I will send an email to this effect as well. However, could you add me to the list for BBFL 2005? Sound confusing? Hope not.

I am "hilighly" looking forward to this. Good luck to all 40 in the BBFL.
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_Dr. Zarco - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:16 PM EST (#78271) #
"The Leftovers"

Haha!

It's funny, back in November, I was begging for people to join the waiting list. Where was everyone back then?!? :)

That's when I emailed you Mike! Darn spam blockers. Or just crappy servers...Looks like it's Carter Division (if there even is one) in 2005 for me!
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_bird droppings - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:32 PM EST (#78272) #
One last thing...

All that crap above would mean that I am a big 'YES' to joining the new BBFL division. So close to getting in, yet so far away.
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_David Goodwin - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:46 PM EST (#78273) #
Out of curiosity, when will "The Leftovers" league be drafting? I know I personally can't handle 2 of these BBFL type monstrosities, but in case others were interested, perhaps it's worth advertising in a separate thread with the draft day and time.

I assume that "The Leftovers" will have no formal affiliation with the BBFL, in the sense that it does not represent the Carter division, and as such the bottom 3 finishers in Barfield will not be relegated, at least until next year when Carter might come into existence. It might be worth clearing this up, so owners such as Rob Pettapiece don't ask to be removed from the Carter waiting list for next year.

Also, since most of the owners/managers in this new league will likely be Bauxites, perhaps some even playing in the BBFL as well as "The Leftovers" just as Mike will be, perhaps its worth archiving on Scott's site if there aren't bandwidth issues.

Oh, and Mike M, what's the dawson password in reference to? Andre Dawson? Dawson's Creek?
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_NDG - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:47 PM EST (#78274) #
Woohoo, I made the leftovers! So are we like the minors to Alomars and Barfields? Will Jordan file a report on us?
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_Dr. Zarco - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 09:48 PM EST (#78275) #
David, sorry to answer a question that wasn't directed at me, but the draft for "The Leftovers" is Wednesday, March 31st at 9pm EST.
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_David Goodwin - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:08 PM EST (#78276) #
No worries Dr Z, much appreciated. So that sneaky Moffatt is getting in a practice round before the "real" draft, eh? I hope none of you Leftover kids give away too much "tech" the night before the big dance! Perhaps we can all be privy to the draft results when they're available?
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_benum AKA Beaud - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:14 PM EST (#78277) #
I'm at #11, I want in please!

Mike M:
I'm having password problems with my email, I'll send a confirmation when I can get into it.

Thanks
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_Brad - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 10:40 PM EST (#78278) #
Another round of applause (or beer) for Mike for all the time and effort. And to Coach and the rest for getting it all started. With all this interest, glad to have been in on the ground floor.
SoCal is looking forward to the Pastime to begin. Batter up!!
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_Warse - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 11:16 PM EST (#78279) #
Hey Mike, I fired an e-mail off to you, but I thought I'd post my "yes" here as well, just in case.

Thanks.

- Warse
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_Warse - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 11:24 PM EST (#78280) #
Sorry for the double post...

I noticed I'm listed as "Waters" on the waiting list; usually I post as "Warse." Waters and Warse are, however, the same person. After reading the Simon confusion above, I thought this wouldn't hurt.

Thanks.
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_Spicol - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 11:49 PM EST (#78281) #
http://spicol@sympatico.ca
ATTENTION ALOMAR OWNERS!!!

Want to trade?

I'm not happy with my team at this point and I've already made a few trade offers via email. Anyone who dealt with me last year knows that I am always willing to talk about anyone. My roster includes all of these possible keepers:

Josh Beckett, Derrek Lee, Luis Castillo, Wade Miller, Livan Hernandez, Jason Varitek, Edgar Martinez, Ray Durham, Erubial Durazo and Eddie Guardado.

All are available. Teams with few keepers take note - I'm more than willing to trade 3 of my guys for 1 of yours. Gracias.
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_Simon - Thursday, February 19 2004 @ 11:54 PM EST (#78282) #
The Leftovers from what I understand, is going to be a free 20-team Yahoo league right? If that is the case, I'd like to join. It looks like i might even be able to just jog on over to the yahoo site and try to get into it now, i'll try that.
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_NIck - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 12:13 AM EST (#78283) #
Hey Mike,

I don't see my name on that list. I sent you an email request to join the league a couple weeks ago in reply to your 'yes I'm returning this year to Operation Shutdown' email. And I also asked to be added in this thread. Are you getting my Operation Shutdown emails? I've sent out around five in the last week.
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_baseballnut - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 12:31 AM EST (#78284) #
Is the Leftovers league a keeper league?
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_peteski - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 03:08 AM EST (#78285) #
I'm in. (#7)
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Pepper Moffatt - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 09:29 AM EST (#78287) #
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Time to reply to 10 messages at once!

I assume that "The Leftovers" will have no formal affiliation with the BBFL

It will have no relationship with the BBFL whatsoever. I just created it because there's a pent up demand to join a league like this, and apparently I was right.

Oh, and Mike M, what's the dawson password in reference to? Andre Dawson? Dawson's Creek?

I'm a diehard Expos fan, so that should answer it. It was either Dawson or Winningham. :)

No worries Dr Z, much appreciated. So that sneaky Moffatt is getting in a practice round before the "real" draft, eh?

Nah, I just don't have a lot of work that week. :)

I don't know how much info I'll get from it, as it's against a different set of players. In the BBFL Coach or Scott Lucas will draft someone and I'll think "Why the heck did he take that guy?!?". Then I'll get absolutely trounced by those players. Coach is on a different level than the rest of us mere mortals, and he *still* didn't win the BBFL last year. That's how tough the Alomar division is.

The Leftovers from what I understand, is going to be a free 20-team Yahoo league right?

Yep.. I encourage everyone to join... It's league 57444 and the password is dawson. Invite your friends and enemies!

I don't see my name on that list. I sent you an email request to join the league a couple weeks ago in reply to your 'yes I'm returning this year to Operation Shutdown' email.

Yep, you did. And yep, I need to add you. Sorry. I'll have to check where you should be slotted, since everyone is put in the order of their initial e-mails, but it'll be around 25th or 26th so you're out of contention this year.

Is the Leftovers league a keeper league?

I don't know if I'll have the time/energy to run this again next year, so I'd assume it won't be.

RE: Barfield. We've got 19 of the slots filled, and I'm waiting to hear back from one guy. That means that if you're not in the Top 22 slots, you won't be getting a team this year. I do encourage everyone who isn't getting a team to sign up for a "Leftovers" team.

Thanks for all your patience everyone,

Mike
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_Andrew Edwards - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 09:34 AM EST (#78288) #
Mike:

I'm at #29 on the waiting list. I'm a 'yes' if it ever gets to me.
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_Harry Heatherin - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 09:39 AM EST (#78289) #
I have my roto obligations already, but I'd really like to be able to check up on the progress of all three (Alomar, Barfield and Leftovers) now and again - is there any capacity on that Yahoo site to let noncombatants take a read-only peek every now and again?
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Pepper Moffatt - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 10:10 AM EST (#78290) #
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I'm at #29 on the waiting list. I'm a 'yes' if it ever gets to me.

Unfortunately you've been eliminated from contention. The last spot is either going to #6, or #22 if #6 says no.

(All this talk of #6 reminds me of "The Prisoner".

Please join my other group, though. You'd be a great opponent for my Drunken Economists (name change pending).

I have my roto obligations already, but I'd really like to be able to check up on the progress of all three (Alomar, Barfield and Leftovers) now and again - is there any capacity on that Yahoo site to let noncombatants take a read-only peek every now and again?

As far as I can tell, there isn't. I plan on providing updates on the Box now and again.

Cheers,

Mike (I AM NOT A NUMBER! I AM A FREE MAN!!!)
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Pepper Moffatt - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 10:14 AM EST (#78291) #
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I've created a new thread for Alomar division owners wanting to make trade offers.

Cheers,

Mike
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_Jay Delorme - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 10:39 AM EST (#78292) #
I'm number 6. I've already accepted. See post number 145660. Woohoo!
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Pepper Moffatt - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 11:04 AM EST (#78293) #
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I'm number 6. I've already accepted. See post number 145660. Woohoo!

Sorry I missed your message.. Welcome aboard!

The league is now full. For those of you at 22 or lower, I hope to see you all in the Leftovers league.

Cheers,

Mike
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_superdevin - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 12:02 PM EST (#78294) #
you've already got me down for yes even though i didn't respond. team jackson is in.
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Pepper Moffatt - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 12:14 PM EST (#78295) #
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you've already got me down for yes even though i didn't respond. team jackson is in.

My spam filter is so high tech, it doesn't just delete e-mails, it creates new ones!

Welcome aboard!

Cheers,

Mike
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_NIck - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 01:47 PM EST (#78296) #
Can anyone tell me the advantages of signing up for Yahoo's Fantasy Baseball Plus as opposed to the free league?
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_David Goodwin - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 02:43 PM EST (#78297) #
Nick,

Don't quote me on this, but I believe the differences are:
- You get all the premium add ons, StatTracker being an incredibly useful tool that tracks stats as they accumulate. Others are their wireless access and premium "expert" content.
- The winner of the league gets a plaque worth $30

I recall someone mentioning the league winner receives an MLB jersey, but I don't see mention of that anywhere on the site - perhaps this was cancelled?

So for $9 canadian the plus league is worth it for the stat tracker alone, which is likely why most people voted in favour of it. Also, it's got a higher chance of keeping out the "riff-raff" and making sure people play hard all year.
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_snellville jone - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 03:04 PM EST (#78298) #
Yes, it appears that the jersey is no longer a part of the deal. I also feel that the stat-tracker is potentially worth it, but would be willing to conider a re-vote if others felt differently since it was understood that the jersey was the "prize".
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_JackFoley - Friday, February 20 2004 @ 03:42 PM EST (#78299) #
Doh, at 22 I missed it by one spot. See you all in the Carter Division next year.
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