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Now everybody is on the run
Tell me now it's untrue.
What did her daddy do?
He jacked a little bitty baby
The man has got to be insane
They say the spell that he was under the lightning and the
thunder knew that someone had to stop the rain

Jays lose 11 - 4


* Jays grounded at SkyDome - Fordin

That rustiness was in full exhibit for Towers (9-6) on Friday night. The right-hander had skipped his last two rotation turns because of soreness in his shoulder blade, and he didn't look comfortable in his return. He lasted four-plus innings, allowing six hits and six runs. Extra-base hits plagued him all night, scoring five of the six runs he surrendered.

* Towers brought down - Ganter

The loss dropped the Jays four games back of the Devil Rays for fourth spot in the East. The Jays have 15 games left, including five against Tampa. That would be the same Devil Rays who have finished last in the division for six consecutive years.

* Three-run shots take down Jays

Eric Crozier answered for the Jays with a two-run blast off Waechter in the bottom of the inning, the first homer of his career.

"It's something that I've kind of been pressing for,'' said Crozier, making his second start at first base while Delgado was the designated hitter. "The first one always feels big, but when you're supposed to be a power hitter, the first one always feels bigger.''


* Batista case not closed - Fordin

What will be different for Batista? For one thing, he'll need to learn a new approach. Gone is the long-term attitude of a starter, where you use pitches just to show the hitters you have them. Now, he'll need to streamline his arsenal and go with the most effective offerings.

"You don't need five pitches. Just three -- sinker, cutter and some form of offspeed," said Zaun. "You're not going to be picking corners in relief. You just set up in the middle of the plate and let the ball work."

That could play directly to the right-hander's strengths. Zaun said he typically overthought himself in an effort to stay ahead of the opponent. He said that none of his pitchers shook him off anywhere near as often as Batista, which is why he'd welcome a reduced menu of choices.

"One thing I appreciate is he's very focused and convicted when he throws a pitch. I'd like to see that in all our guys, but we seldom agree," said Zaun. "The hardest thing for me to do is decide which one of his offspeed pitches is working that night. And then the next hardest thing is convincing him it's the right thing to throw."

* Blue Jay Watch - Ganter

Batista has a lot of the qualities a team looks for in a closer. He throws a fastball in the mid-to-high 90's. He has good movement on his pitches and mentally he is not the type who is going to let a poor outing affect him.

He also has a resilient arm and can pitch on back-to-back-to-back days.

"It might be a chance for us to see if we have something here," Ricciardi said. "If we don't, we know we have a third starter in the big leagues next year."

* Jays try Batista in closer's role - Baker

Moving Batista also frees up a rotation spot for the Jays to promote red-hot Double-A pitcher Gustavo Chacin once his playoff season ends.

* Jays catching prospect arrested - AP

Toronto Blue Jays catching prospect Curtis Thigpen was arrested Friday on suspicion of drunken driving after he was stopped for going about 32 km/h under the speed limit and weaving between lanes on an interstate, police said.

* Today's Game Dave Bush vs. Todd Ritchie; 4:05 pm.

Bush is undefeated at SkyDome, sporting a 2-0 record with a 3.65 ERA. In his last start, he worked seven innings and wound up with a no-decision. Ritchie, meanwhile, is making just his second big league appearance of the season.
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_Dan H - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#34971) #
Ah man, one I actually know, and I seriously have got nothing.
_Dan H - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#34972) #
How about this:

Batista as the new closer could be interesting. He does have a gun for an arm, but it's his tendencies to aeromail his pitches outside walking too many batters that scares me.

I wish I was more of a wordsmith, cause then this would have been wittier.

Ok, I am teh suck.
_R Billie - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#34973) #
Good luck Miguel. Unless he gains half decent control of his fastball though, cutting down his arsenal won't matter a whiff. I can't help but compare this to the misguided attempt to make Escobar a closer but I can just hope this turns out better.
Pistol - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#34974) #
Kudos to Dan H who has successfully identified Aerosmith's 'Janie's Got A Gun'.
_Magpie - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#34975) #
First of all, a very good piece by SF. Good material from Zaun especially to shed some insight on the matter.

I'm of two minds on it myself - decent major league starters really don't grow on trees, and even with his struggles these last two months Batista has been a decent ML starter. Almost went to the All-Star game, and would have been a reasonable choice at the time.

But I'm with Zaun on this - he's got too many damn pitches. Said this before, I have. Just because you're capable of throwing nine different pitches doesn't mean that you should. I have always thought a more streamlined repertoire (Zaun says just three, which is one more than a short reliever needs anyway) is exactly what he needs. I think he's much more likely to have consistent command of the same three pitches than he'll have when he's sorting through which of the nine are working on any given evening.
_Prisoner of Ham - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#34976) #
This is exactly why the Jays need a new pitching coach. It seems like Batista is on his own page when it comes to his repertoire, which is a strange way to act for someone who talks a lot about putting his team first.

Paterson obviously hasn't gotten through to him, and maybe it will take someone with some serious major league cred. I remember Tom Candiotti once trying a new pitch in the middle of a Jays penant race and getting ripped for it by his teammates. Someone needs to give Batista a similar message.
_Smack - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#34977) #
Hehe Thigpen...

Good thing he was going 32 and not 132...

But I don't think this story has any impact in the long run, we all make decisions we regret.
_Prisoner of Ham - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#34978) #
_Dan H - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#34979) #
What about pulling a Crash Davis on him, and not allowing him to shake off the catcher? Probably wouldn't work with a veteran pitcher though.
_Magpie - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#34980) #
Some additional thoughts on Batista to the pen...

In 1998, Tim Johnson thought that Robert Person could become a closer. I thought this was nuts at the time. Person did save a bunch of games that September, but washed out the next spring and the Jays dumped him on the Phillies, where he had a couple of excellent seasons as a rotation starter before his arm fell off.

Person was a four pitch pitcher. He had four decent pitches, none of them particularly outstanding. He needed to use them all to be effective. Jeff Montgomery is the only guy I can think who's been successful as a reliever with that kind of approach. Anyone else?

I think Batista's raw stuff is better than Person's, so he's got a chance to be effective in short relief. It is also reasonable to expect that cutting his repertoire should improve his command of the pitches that remain. And also, working one inning at a time generally adds several MPH to everybody's fastball.

The guy whose opinion I'd like to hear on this subject - and I think he might be in the neighbourhood, even if he's not in the ball park - is Cito Gaston. Sorting out the starters and relievers, and finding their proper roles, was one of Gaston's distinctive strengths as a manager. Especially following Jimy Williams, who specialized in the bullpen-rotation-bullpen shuffle, and riding the hot hand until the arm it was attached to withered and died. (Dave Stieb and Jim Clancy both were banished to his bullpen at one point, and both saved games for Jimy. John Cerutti spent his first three seasons ricocheting between the pen and the rotation like a pinball.)
_Rob - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#34981) #
From Coach's excellent Jays Preview: An overwhelmed Kevin Cash says Batista throws eight pitches "two-seam and four-seam fastball, cutter, sinker, curveball, slider, split and change." I'll leave it up to the experts to decide which of those he really needs, but there's no way he needs all eight.

How many different pitches was he throwing in his last start? It was probably down to four or five, he only lasted a few innings, after all...
_Magpie - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#34982) #
Tom Candiotti once trying a new pitch in the middle of a Jays penant race and getting ripped for it by his teammates.

I guarantee it was not Pat Borders.

"Don't you have anything besides that damn knuckleball? Please, Tom, please!"
_Rob - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#34983) #
Don't get up, I'll fix the italics.
_Rob - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#34984) #
Or maybe not! That should work!
_Magpie - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#34985) #
My bad.

Italics BEGONE!
_Magpie - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#34986) #
Good work, Rob.
_Rob - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#34987) #
From now on, I'll end all of my posts with three italics closing tags to be safe. ;)
_Marc - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#34988) #
Does Thigpen know the Padres' Matt Bush? Seriously, these kids need to get their act together. There is no excuse for this... You'd think with the signing bonus Thipen got, he could have called a cab (or limo for that matter). Bush is a little more understandable given that A) he was 18 as oppose to Thigpen who is 22. Plus he didn't get behind the wheel of a car and endanger lives.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 18 2004 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#34989) #
It sounds as though Thigpen has some maturing to do. His response might tell us something about the man.

This news is the exclamation point at the end of the season from hell.
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