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Most people in these parts are assuming that Carlos Delgado will be elsewhere in 2005. While I haven't given up hope yet, I'm pretty much assuming that too. This leads to the next question: where will he go?

To try to answer this question, I took a look at what the other teams have at first base, and their contract status, and then estimated the probability of their trying to pursue Delgado.

Salary data is from this site; it's a bit out of date, but I think it's still accurate. (I'm not sure about the Cubs' situation, though.)

American League

Anaheim: They have Darin Erstad locked up until 2006. He isn't particularly good, but they like him. They do have money to throw around, though, and are trying to collect star Latino players. Pursuit probability: Low to Medium

Baltimore: They have Palmeiro at first, whom they just signed this year. But Raffy's older than dirt, and they don't have a DH. They also have oodles of money to spend. Pursuit probability: High

Boston: They have Mientkiewicz, Millar, and Ortiz sharing 1B/DH roles. Millar could move to the outfield, but that's still a lot of bodies. That won't stop the Sox from going after Carlos, but it will mean that they won't be desperate about it. Pursuit probability: Medium

Chicago White Sox: Konerko is signed for one more year, and Thomas is on mutual option. Delgado isn't really a good fit here. Pursuit probability: Low to Medium

Cleveland: They're not at the point in their success cycle where they need him. Pursuit probability: Low

Detroit: See Cleveland. The Tigers already have Carlos Pena. Pursuit probability: Low

Kansas City: They're committed to a long-term deal for Sweeney, and they already have Harvey. They also don't like to spend money. Pursuit probability: Low

Minnesota: They have Justin Morneau and a phalanx of young hitters. Plus they can't afford him. Pursuit probability: Low

New York Yankees: They won't go after Delgado unless they dump Giambi. I don't think even George Steinbrenner would want to have both Delgado and Giambi on his payroll. Still, it's the Yankees, so you never know. Pursuit probability: Medium

Oakland: They have Hatteberg, and don't have much money. Pursuit probability: Low

Seattle: They're at the bottom of their success cycle. I don't see this happening. Pursuit probability: Low

Tampa Bay: Tino becomes a free agent after 2004, but I don't think the D-Rays have much money to spend. And why would Carlos go to one of the few teams as bad as or worse than the Jays? Pursuit probability: Low

Texas: They have Teixeira, so Carlos would have to be willing to DH most of the time. I doubt he'll want to do that. Pursuit probability: Low to Medium

National League

Arizona: I can't see Delgado wanting to go here, unless the Snakes go absolutely nuts with their contract offer. Pursuit probability: Low

Atlanta: They're platooning Franco and LaRoche, so they have room, and they'll probably have the money. They win a lot, which might appeal to Delgado. A definite contender for his signature. Pursuit probability: High

Chicago Cubs: They're probably pretty happy with Lee. But is he eligible for free agency? Pursuit probability: Medium

Cincinnati: Don't have the money. Pursuit probability: Low

Colorado: Are committed to spending a zillion dollars on Todd Helton. Pursuit probability: Low

Florida: Could use a new first baseman. Not sure they're willing to pony up enough cash. Pursuit probability: Medium

Houston: Are committed to Jeff Bagwell. Pursuit probability: Low

Los Angeles: They have Choi and Green. Would probably still be willing to sign Carlos, but it's not a desperate priority for them. Pursuit probability: Medium

Milwaukee: Erm... no. Pursuit probability: Low

Montreal: Don't be silly. Pursuit probability: Low

New York Mets: Have been playing Phillips, Piazza and Zeile at first. This is exactly the sort of player the Mets love to sign. I don't think Carlos would want to come here, though. Pursuit probability: Medium

Philadelphia: They've got Thome. Enough said. Pursuit probability: Low

Pittsburgh: Could use another bat, but don't have the money. Pursuit probability: Low

St. Louis: There's this guy named Pujols. I've heard he's pretty good. Pursuit probability: Low

San Diego: They have Phil Nevin, and they don't have a lot of money. Pursuit probability: Low

San Francisco: They're playing J.T. Snow and Pedro Feliz. Enough said. Pursuit probability: High

Conclusion?

According to this brief and unscientific study, there are only three teams highly likely to pursue Delgado, and another five teams rated as "Medium", including the Yankees and Red Sox.

Of the High teams, Baltimore is only a likely possibility if Carlos wants to maximize his dollars (and there's no reason why he shouldn't do this). They're not likely to win anything in 2005. The Braves win every year, of course, and the Giants usually come close, so they're legitimate candidates.

Of the Medium teams: the Sox and Yanks might pursue Delgado just because they can (or because they don't want the other one to get him). The Marlins aren't exactly an exciting team. The Cubs are an interesting choice they're contending, and they're in a hitter-friendly park. (Can you imagine Carlos in Wrigley? Whoo-eee.) The Dodgers are a contending team, and Carlos would get to play with his buddy Shawn Green, so they could be in the running. The Mets are... well, they're the Mets, and they're not going anywhere any time soon.

So, realistically, Carlos's likely destinations, in order of probability, are: Atlanta, San Francisco, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Chicago Cubs, Boston, New York Yankees, New York Mets, Florida, Anaheim, Chicago White Sox, Texas. Everybody else is off the radar.

What about Toronto? I think that the Jays will try to sign him, and it's not as if he's said that he doesn't want to play here, so his situation is different from those of Clemens, Wells, and Green. At some point, Rogers might decide that they might be better off financially with Delgado in the fold than to risk losing a large part of their fan base if he leaves. It's all well and good to say that one player shouldn't consume most of a team's financial resources, but there aren't many players as good as Delgado around, or available for next year. I assume, though, that J.P. and Keith Law have spent a lot of time working on possible scenarios, though, so they've got better data to work with than I do.

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_Jim - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#33890) #
If the Expos are in Wash for opening day, I wouldn't write them off.
_Tom - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#33891) #
I would like to see him go to LA, so he could play with his buddy Green. Riccardi has brough all of his horrific people skills to bear in dealing with our gentleman Carlos, so I think he owes it to himself to jet from Toronto. Furthermore...if Eric Crozier is the future of the Blue Jay P. Riccardis, you can have them.
_Tyler - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#33892) #
I agree with all of that, except for the comment at the end about the Jays possibly losing a large part of their fan base if Carlos leaves. I'm a huge Edmonton Oilers fans, and have seen better players than Delgado leave without hurting the affection that the city has for the team. I believe that there is a passage in Moneyball that talks about this, and I'm down with the conclusion that they draw that players on winning teams will be stars to your fans.
_Sophoric - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#33893) #
If he doesn't return, I hope he goes to SF. I wonder how pitchers would pitch to Bonds if he had Delgado behind him.
_Fozzy - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#33894) #
If he doesn't return, I hope he goes to SF. I wonder how pitchers would pitch to Bonds if he had Delgado behind him.

Damn, that would be a scary 1-2 punch.
_Caino - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#33895) #
If he leaves, i just want him in the national league...
_lurker - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#33896) #
San Fran makes the most sense to me. I doubt Carlos would want to play in Hatlanta where he'll get tomahawk-chopped out of the stadium for his anti-godblessingamerica rituals.

I really don't see him back. My intuition tells me J.P. just doesn't like what he brings and wants to clean the slate. I suspect J.P. will lowball him a la Escobar and not lose any sleep over it. Which is fine with me cause I don't want him back for anything higher than a bargain price either.
_Daryn - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#33897) #
I agree with all of that, except for the comment at the end about the Jays possibly losing a large part of their fan base if Carlos leaves.

Toronto doesn't have too many "baseball" fans anyway.. Carlos is a good guy, but his baseball stock is worth more than his PR stock, so he's wasted here..

As long as Toronto has a "Jumbotron" we can sell 12,000 tickets to people wanted to be on it.
Thomas - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#33898) #
Doesn't Atlanta have payroll issues, hence they had to let Glavine and Maddux leave? I guess if Millwood comes off the books at the end of this year then they aren't doing too badly.

And the Giants would be foolish to let his 2004 line dictate plans for the future, but right now I'd be pretty happy with JT Snow and his .333/.432/.533 line in my lineup. Even with that right behind him, they're still pitching around Bonds quite frequently.

Snow isn't the name that Delgado is, but I'm not sure you'd notice a large change if Carlos batted 4th in San Fran. There'd be some change, but I don't think you'd see Bonds drop into a human range of walks. He's simply in another world right now.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#33899) #
Great article. I agree with most of your grades. Which means I disagree with some of the others ones. :) Not surprising since this is supposed to be subjective.

I think Anaheim is a lot more likely than you give them credit for. You can always find room for a superstar player. I imagine Moreno would love to have him.

I can't see the White Sox going for Delgado.

I'd put the Tigers as a medium. They could use him as a 1B/DH and they're on an upswing. If they can sign Pudge, they can sign Delgado. I think he'd be a great fit.

I can't see the Yankees going for him, but you're right. They are the Yankees.

RE: Seattle. I don't think it matters that they're "at the bottom of their success cycle". That's sabermetric thinking and the Mariners aren't a sabermetric organization. I'd put this one as a Medium/High. He'd be a great fit.

I can't see Delgado signing with Texas.

Atlanta. A medium at best. While the Braves sure could use him, they sure could have used anybody for the last three years. But they haven't gotten anyone since they haven't been signing other people's free agents to big contracts. A medium at best.

Same thinking goes with the Giants, though I think they're more likely than the Braves. I'd be a little surprised if Delgado ends up in the NL, though there are some good but not great candidates like the Braves, Giants, and Mets.

All and all a great article. I really enjoyed it.
_Ducey - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#33900) #
I wonder how a move of the Expos to DC would impact on Baltimore's pursuit of a free agent like Delgado.

On one hand if they really are worried about losing fans and revenue, they may take a conservative approach. Alternatively, they may try to sign him in an effort to have a marketing advantage over the Washington Expos.

If Baltimore gets a big swack of cash as compensation they could compete with the Yankees for free agents for a few years.

It will be interesting to watch.

Tom, your suitability for an anger management course aside, I don't think JP's handling of Carlos will have anything to do with him leaving. The reality is that Carlos and his agent are going to go to the team that best meets his needs. A big part of this will involve buckets of money. As Dave points out above there are a bunch of teams that are better able to pay and further along in their development. JP, Carlos, and his agent are not idiots. It would have been a waste of eveyones time and dishonest for JP to be promising everyone that Carlos will be back when they are about 6 or 7 on the list of best candidates.
Pistol - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#33901) #
I disagree with Seattle. I think they are very much a player for Delgado. They have a hole at 1B and they have money to spend. Only Baltimore would be higher on my list of potential Delgado suitors.

Also, Derrek Lee signed a 3 year contract ($22.5 million) shortly after he was traded to the Cubs.

If Arizona doesn't re-sign Sexson I could see them being in the picture.

So I look at it as Baltimore, Seattle, LA, Mets, and Angels with the chance that Arizona or Florida could sneak in under circumstances. The Giants and Braves would make sense, but unless there's contracts coming off their books that I'm not aware of I can't see them being in the mix.
Coach - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#33902) #
It's deja vu all over again for Rogers. When they first bought the team, and gave Carlos the $68 million deal, it was spun as a commitment to local fans that they weren't going to "scrimp on the light bulbs," if I remember the quote correctly from an owner who makes very few public statements. It's impossible to prove that they got their money's worth. I'm not an economist, and I can only speculate on how much worse attendance would have been over the last four years if Delgado wasn't around.

A few other things have changed. Instead of being 32 at the end of the contract, he'll be 35 or 36 at the end of the next one, and has chronic knee problems. The "baseball people" then were inclined to overpay for marginal talent, not just superstars. J.P. has a much better grasp of replacement value and replacement costs.

If Carlos is "worth" $20 million for the next three years (to pluck a round number out of thin air) relative to Ricciardi's current payroll restrictions, that doesn't preclude Rogers from opening its corporate wallet and sweetening the pot. If Ted or Paul Godfrey really want to keep Delgado in Toronto, they could increase the budget or work out deferred payments. If they don't intervene, he's almost certain to move on. I can't predict where, but count me among the group that hopes it's to the other league or at the very least, another division.

I agree with Moffatt and Pistol about Seattle, though I find it impossible to guess what that front office will do. Don't forget that the present landscape could change dramatically at the winter meetings. For example, if DePodesta can move Choi in a trade, the Dodgers might go from lukewarm to hot pursuit.
_CaramonLS - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#33903) #
I think you are underestimating the Mets to be quite honest.

I know Piazza wants to start catching again (of course how long can he hold up). Phillips is a Catcher to begin with and takes most of their catcher reps. Zeile it looks like it is going to retire this year.

That being said... Phillips is something (if I were mets GM) I would be looking to upgrade and upgrade fast. Team worst Batting Avg (.214) , 2nd worst Slugging %, 2nd worst On Base % at .291.

Even if Zeile doesn't retire they would be looking at moving him to 3rd.

-SF I would tend to downgrade that to a Medium, because they are going to be looking at moving some money into the bullpen (with Nen's contract up this year - 8 million!!!) They already have the 2nd best offense in the NL and I think pitching is what the doctor ordered. They may bring in one bat to replace A.J. But I think thats as far as they'll go. Dustin Hermanson as closer is NOT acceptable.

Also Delgado to Baltimore would just be a kick to the balls.
_Smack - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#33904) #
With a flaming boot.
_sweat - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#33905) #
Made of thistle plants.
_Jonathan - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#33906) #
I think Seattle's a good possibility. He's always hit quite well at Safeco too.
San Fran and Atlanta don't seem good fits. San Francisco has a long way to go to pay off its' privately financed stadium and so they don't really have the funds to offer a big contract; I'm sure they would have made a go at Sheffield otherwise.
Atlanta: can't see him there, plus, if they have the money to sign a hitter (which they haven't in recent years) I would think it's allocated to go to Drew, who has fit in well there.
I would also discount the Yankees because of Carlos' stance on the Iraq war.
My top picks would be (in order): Baltimore, Seattle, Los Angeles
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#33907) #
Sure, Seattle may have money to spend, and sure they are unpredicatable. But, will Carlos want to go to Seattle? After this season?

I would think he'd be more interested in teams that have better chances of winning.

A lot of you guys are overlooking the fact that Carlos has a say in this too.
_Matt - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#33908) #
My top pick is Toronto... not because I think he's a lock to land here, but I don't think he's a lock to land anywhere right now... So, If I were laying odds, I'd count on him to stay simply by default.

It COULD happen.... why refuse to waive the no-trade? There's gotta be some kindof chance.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#33909) #
But, will Carlos want to go to Seattle? After this season?

Why not? After all, he did stay with Toronto despite their record, when he had many chances to leave.

Carlos would go a long way in making Seattle a competitive team again. With Martinez retiring and Boone's contract expiring, the Mariners are going to have quite a bit of money to dump into free agents. If they sign a few good ones, they'll be competitive.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#33910) #
Actually, IIRC, Boone doesn't come off the books until next year. Still, though, they'll have some money.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#33911) #
Why not? After all, he did stay with Toronto despite their record, when he had many chances to leave.

Yeah, but he has sooo much money now. He coul;d probably buy his hometown island if he wanted to. Before this contract, he wasn't that rich. I can't see him going to a crappy team just because they offer a lot of money. Although, I did say the same thing about Pudge last year...

Carlos would go a long way in making Seattle a competitive team again. With Martinez retiring and Boone's contract expiring, the Mariners are going to have quite a bit of money to dump into free agents. If they sign a few good ones, they'll be competitive.

Bwahaha. The Mariners making good decisions. Good one. ;)
_Marc - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#33912) #
With the number of potential suitors, the limit of quality bats on the free agent market and Delgado's late season offensive output, I find it hard to believe that he will take a hometown discount much below market value.

Biggest Players: Baltimore, Anaheim, LA, Mets

Wildcards: Seattle, Boston/NY Yankees (If one of them shows an interest the other one will try and steal Carlos away).

Mind you the Jays have made Carlos a bazillionaire... He should be happy to play out his career making peanuts. I know... I know... it doesn't work that way, but it should.

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a cap on how much pro athletes could make? Allow them to make a max of... say $30 million dollars over the span of their careers. But after that amount, don't allow the owners to benefit from the savings (it's not fair). The players continue to sign for "market value" and any of the money made over that $30 million thresh hold must be given to non-profit organizations and charities. Everyone wins. And if a pro sports player cannot live off of $30 million over their lifetime (and their family for three more generations to come) than their is a real problem and they don't deserve the money anyway.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#33913) #
LOL, somehow I doubt the MLBPA would go for that. ;)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#33914) #
Why stop at just ballplayers?
_jsoh - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#33915) #
Re: Seattle. I recall that the guys over at USSMariner were doing a roundup of free agents, and who the Mariners should pursue, and they issued a thumbs-down on Delgado - mostly due to age/injury concerns, and the money being much better spent chasing Beltran.

Now. As everyone's pointed out, Bavasi seems to be dumber than a sack of hammers, so youneverknow.
Pistol - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#33916) #
For example, if DePodesta can move Choi in a trade, the Dodgers might go from lukewarm to hot pursuit.

Somehow I don't think Choi's would be blocking Delgado even if he wasn't traded. Choi has 53 ABs in the last 52 games.

A lot of you guys are overlooking the fact that Carlos has a say in this too.

I think the purpose of the article was to see who might be interested - how much demand for Delgado is out there. While he might not sign with Seattle they could drive his price up.

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a cap on how much pro athletes could make?

No.
Pistol - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#33917) #
Choi has 53 ABs in the last 52 games.

That should be 52 days, not games. And I included today, so it's actually 51 days since the Dodgers haven't played yet.
_David R. - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#33918) #
I think the Yankee threat might be greater than medium. Their interest might be expressed by the formula:
Steinbrenner's age (74) X Steinbrenner's desire to win
I wish George many years of continued good health, but I believe he is pragmatic about his advancing age and that roster and payroll concerns will not stop him from getting any player he believes will help the team win.
I don't know if he even has any interest in Delgado now, but signing him could very suddenly become the top priority, no matter what his baseball people advise.

That said, if the Jays can't have him, I would love to see Delgado on the Giants. He's a perfect fit for that city and that team.
_Daryn - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#33919) #
**** low whistle ***** Giants!!!

Walk Bonds to get to Delgado? Yikes!
Lucas - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#33920) #
Re the Orioles, one thing to keep in mind in that Baltimore has been benching Palmeiro against lefties. His $4.5m option vests only if he reaches 140 games played at first base, and with the season he's having (.261/.369/.432), they don't seem eager to pay that much to a 40-year-old.
_Jabonoso - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#33921) #
Bonds is a good example of one star not interested in max his earnings but to compromise with his team's chances to win. If he likes Delgado for protection, he will defer money for another time again to get him.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#33922) #
with Boone's contract expiring

Boone's contract isn't expiring. He had a 9 million dollar option that vested with 450 plate appearances, which he's easily passed this season.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle made a run at Delgado, to fill the void now that Edgar and Olerud are gone. But who knows what Seattle will do. They could go after Beltran, or Delgado, or moderate upgrades elsewhere. They seem to think that they can win next year (or at least, they want to pretend that they can), so going after Delgado might make sense.
_Magpie - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#33923) #
The Orioles are obviously kicking Palmeiro out the door, and they're willing to spend. I would think that Flanagan and Beattie would much rather spend on pitching, but you never know.

Seattle has the money and the need. I think they would have to outbid everyone, and by a lot, to get Delgado to go to that team. It could work. Delgado has all the money he needs, but we know there's an island off Puerto Rico that needs more help than even he can afford...

The White Sox need to clear a spot, but I would think there would be lots of interest in Konerko. The Sox right now have three big RH bats (Thomas, Ordonez, Konerko) - Delgado would balance that for them.

In that case, I think Toronto should be interested in Konerko. Right now Wells is the only RH power source at all, and we are anticipating a hole at 1B/DH.

I don't think he's that interested in the NL. The one thing Delgado has in common with Albert Belle is that they keep very detailed notes on pitchers. I think if he has his druthers (and he will, he will) he won't want to learn a whole new league.

San Fran would be interesting. They would keep walking Bonds, at least until the All Star Break. Can you imagine what Delgado will hit, with a runner at 1B all the time? How many runs would he drive in, with Barry on base 60% of the time in front of him?

(Can you imagine Carlos in Wrigley? Whoo-eee.)

Oddly, I don't think it would make that big a difference. It'll help him, sure. But Delgado doesn't hit too many marginal HRs, and he doesn't hit all that many warning track flies. When he hits the ball hard, there's no park that can contain it. Its going out of Yellowstone.
_Magpie - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#33924) #
Why stop at just ballplayers?

Damn straight, Moffatt!

Sylvester Stallone turned 58 this year. Here's what he's been doing lately.

Avenging Angelo (2002) $20,000,000
D-Tox (2002) $20,000,000
Driven (2001) $20,000,000
Get Carter (2000) $20,000,000

Think anyone's going to have Alex Rodriguez that kind of money when he's 55?

Or when he's 45?

Or when he's 35, and his current deal runs out?

And, ya know, I honestly think A.Rod is better at his work. :-)

Its too bad that society places a higher value on movie stars and baseball players, but that's what society has decided. Doesn't make it a good decision, I grant you....
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#33925) #
I checked Delgado's splits, and he actually has hit a little worse with a runner on first than otherwise over the last 4 years. It makes sense; teams have the shift on anyways, and there might be a few extra outs to be had on the fielder's choice at second.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#33926) #
San Francisco: They're playing J.T. Snow and Pedro Feliz. Enough said. Pursuit probability: High

On paper it makes sense for the Giants to spend some dough while Bonds is still around to enhance their chances of making the playoffs. But Sabean seems to have become a big fan of the idea of grabbing a bunch of $2M mediocrities rather than laying out a bunch of cash all at once (perhaps feeling snake bitten by the Alfonzo signing).

Atlanta: They're platooning Franco and LaRoche, so they have room, and they'll probably have the money. They win a lot, which might appeal to Delgado. A definite contender for his signature. Pursuit probability: High

Another one that looks good on paper, but it seems as though AOL has tightened the purse strings in years past, and this year's success may actually prove "harmful" in the long term (what do you need more money for, you just won the division?).

New York Yankees: They won't go after Delgado unless they dump Giambi. I don't think even George Steinbrenner would want to have both Delgado and Giambi on his payroll. Still, it's the Yankees, so you never know. Pursuit probability: Medium

I think that NY will make CF (Beltran), SP (Clement?) and 2B their key targets in the off-season.

Giambi may never recover, who knows, but with the amount owed to him, I think that even the Yankees would want to find out for sure if there's anything left before cutting bait. Also, the right end of defensive spectrum is already cluttered with soon-to-be DH's Giambi, Williams, and Sheffield. Delgado is probably another knee injury away from becoming a fulltime DH himself.

I guess if Millwood comes off the books at the end of this year then they aren't doing too badly.

Millwood has been a Phillie the past two seasons. He was traded for Estrada at the start of last season in an obvious salary dump. The deal was seriously mocked last year but has turned out great for the Braves.

Sure, Seattle may have money to spend, and sure they are unpredicatable. But, will Carlos want to go to Seattle? After this season?

I agree with this. With Bavasi steering the ship, and the likes of Ibanez, Aurilia and Spiezio making up last year's FA signings, Seattle isn't necessarily going to get a whole let better any time soon. That can't be attractive to Delgado. Even if Toronto looks no more promising to Delgado, at least it's home.

Mind you the Jays have made Carlos a bazillionaire... He should be happy to play out his career making peanuts. I know... I know... it doesn't work that way, but it should.

Maybe this same logic should apply to Ted Rogers. He's made jillions gouging us for crummy cable for so many years, maybe he should charge us all $0 from now on and raise the team's salary to $100M. Hell, $200M.

I believe that Baltimore and Anaheim are the top two contenders. Baltimore is such a good fit, given the team's needs and deep pockets, it almost hurts.
_Mick - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#33927) #
Marc, as I recall, what you propose with a limit on lifetime earnings with the rest going to charity so "everyone benefits," including Moffatt's reasonable "why stop at just ballplayers?" corrollary was proposed by a couple of wacky kids named Marx & Engels.
_Jacko - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#33928) #

So, realistically, Carlos's likely destinations, in order of probability, are: Atlanta, San Francisco, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Chicago Cubs, Boston, New York Yankees, New York Mets, Florida, Anaheim, Chicago White Sox, Texas. Everybody else is off the radar

ATL -- makes sense
SF -- makes sense (they are idiots if they resign Snow after this fluke season)
LAD -- I think Depo will see what Choi can do first.
Mets -- pretty well set with Piazza/Phillips "platoon"
Cubs -- Lee signed thru 2006
Red Sox -- too many 1B already
Yanks -- doubt it
Florida -- too cheap?
Anaheim -- Moreno has the $$$, there's no room. And Kotchman and McPherson are knocking on the door.
White Sox -- only if they manage to dump Konerko or Thomas
Texas -- Teixeira's at 1B, and they have Adrian Gonzalez waiting in the wings

I think SF or Atlanta are most likely.
_Magpie - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#33929) #
Delgado returned from the DL on 6 July and scuffled for a couple of weeks. Around 24 July, he locked in and became Carlos Delgado again.

GP -- ATB --- H --- 2b -- 3b -- HR -- RBI - RUN -- BB - BAVG -- SLUG -- OBPCT
54 --- 188 --- 66 --- 13 --- 0 --- 19 --- 52 --- 33 ----38 --- .351 --- .723 --- .458

I would think most major league GMs have noticed this as well.
Dave Till - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#33930) #
Thanks for the info on Lee. We can scratch the Cubs off the list.

If Montreal moves, the new team will probably be able to afford to sign Delgado, but they won't contend even if they sign five Delgados. If Carlos wants to maximize his dollars, there are other options available.

I suppose that Anaheim could always shuffle Erstad elsewhere to make room for Carlos.

SF would be fascinating: how many RBI's would Delgado collect batting behind Bonds? Yow.

And I agree with others' sentiments: please, anywhere but Baltimore.
_Stan - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#33931) #
J. P. and a hundred million dollar budget. Heaven. Oh well I can dream can't I.
_R Billie - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#33932) #
I think LA and Seattle are the two most likely destinations. Seattle isn't rebuilding. They plan to spend $90 million again next year and with the contracts they have coming free they might have the most available money to spend out of any team out there ($40 to $50 million). With Bavasi looking to reverse the damage he did this past off-season you can bet he won't be shy about spending money or giving up draft picks to do it. The M's won't lose their first rounder no matter what they do.

Los Angeles tried to get Delgado for two years and while Depodesta might not pull out all stops to get him you can bet he's on the radar there big time.

Anaheim has Erstad who Scoscia views as his best player. If Delgado agrees to DH he might have a spot there.

Baltimore seems like a logical destination as there's no-one in particular blocking Delgado's path and the O's have some scratch.

Detroit and Florida have both proven they're not adverse to spending a lot of money on an impact player, and in Detroit's case on such a player who might even be an age/injury risk. If Tampa increases their spending they could be a similar player for Delgado's services.
_Magpie - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#33933) #
he actually has hit a little worse with a runner on first than otherwise over the last 4 years.

Makes sense that its the shift that's doing that. But it would be interesting if somebody, somewhere, was keeping track of what happens when teams play radical defensive shifts.

Remind me to send a memo to STATS on this!
Craig B - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#33934) #
J. P. and a hundred million dollar budget. Heaven. Oh well I can dream can't I.

Even if you like (as I do) the rebuilding job J.P. has done with a small budget, that's no guarantee he'd handle a big budget well. Knowing him, he'd blow $20 million a year on some Derek Jeter clone... :)
Pistol - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#33935) #
I'd take my chances.
_Jacko - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#33936) #

Anaheim has Erstad who Scoscia views as his best player. If Delgado agrees to DH he might have a spot there.

Let me repeat myself -- barring a trade, or the retirement of Tim Salmon, there's NO ROOM on the Angels roster for Delgado.

Guillen -- signed (cheap) through 2005
Anderson -- signed through 2008 (!)
Guerrero -- signed through 2008
Salmon -- signed through 2005
Erstad -- signed through 2006

There's 3 OF slots, a 1B slot, and a DH slot. Do the math.

That doesn't factor in Casey Kotchman and Dallas McPherson, who are considered two of the best prospects in all of baseball. The both hit well at AAA this year.

Moreno has lots of money, but he's going to be spending it on pitching.
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#33937) #
Hmmm ... that got me thinking - what about Pedro signing with the Angels? Seems like a natural fit with the owner and many star players being Latin.
_Dean - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#33938) #
Try explaining free agency & contracts to an eight year old who's faviurite player happens to be Carlos. Add in the fact the Oilers aren't playing an you have a pretty confused kid.
_Chris - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#33939) #
Can we stop the talk about Atlanta? They are dramatically reducing payroll again this year.

My money is on Seattle or L.A.
_Mylegacy - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#33940) #
I can't see Delgado leaving the American league. Too much time invested in knowing the pitchers.

He SHOULD go to Atlanta but won't. I predict TO, Seattle (the Gillick factor), or Baltimore in that order.

BUT remember, the boy likes TO...no doubt about it.
_Tyler - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#33941) #
Try explaining free agency & contracts to an eight year old who's faviurite player happens to be Carlos.

I was eight when Gretzky got traded and I got over it. Hell, Gretzky had actually won something in his career in Edmonton as well.

Delgado's an excellent, aging baseball player. I'd love to keep him around but he's hardly the second coming of Christ.
_Dean - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#33942) #
Tyler, you may have gotten over Gretzky getting traded, but I know you did not understand the reasoning for it. If the "coming of Christ" comment was directed at my son and other young fans like him then I think you have other things to get over.
_Wildrose - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 06:25 PM EDT (#33943) #
Richie Sexson is a native of Washington State. Most of the buzz has him being likely to return his roots and sign with the Mariners.
_Tyler - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#33945) #
My comment about the second coming of Christ is aimed at all those who feel that Delgado is essential to the survival of this baseball team. There has been a great deal of gnashing of teeth, wailing and tearing of hair all season long about his eventual departure, and I think it's becoming overblown. Take this as an opportunity to teach your son, and all the other eight year olds out there, that there is more than one player that makes up a team, and that sometimes change occurs that people don't like. Life goes on.

As for the idea that the Jays should get some extra money from Rogers to sign him etc, all of that is nuts. Whatever resources Rogers can put together for the team for next year should be aimed strictly at putting the best possible team on the field. If Carlos is part of that equation, fine, sign him. If the dollars can be maximized by going another route-go that route. Even if Carlos was willing to sign for 2 million (stupid low hypothetical number) if that 2 million could more likely generate wins if used in a different way, I'd be all for the different way.

Everyone complaining about how Delgado leaving will hurt attendance is really off too in my books. If this team wins, they will come. From a financial perspective, I have zero doubt that Carlos has brought in no where near 68 million US over the past 4 years, and if he hasn't made the team succesful either, you can't justify it.
_Joel Heitin - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#33946) #
I have had this feeling for some time that he will end up in Atlanta. I'm not sure the Braves are very happy with LaRoche.

I just don't see him going to the west coast.

All of this is just gut feeling, and based on no factual evidence whatsoever.

At least with the Braves all his fans here can see him on cable 150 times a year.
_Paul D - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#33947) #
If he likes Delgado for protection, he will defer money for another time again to get him.

(This refers to Bonds)

What evidence is there of that? I haven't seen anything that would make me think that.
_Ron - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#33948) #
Carlos should head to the Yanks.

Imagine if George in the off-season made serious runs at Pedro, Clement, Delgado, Kent, and Beltran............
_greenfrog - Tuesday, September 21 2004 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#33949) #
In most cases, one player doesn't make or break a team (unless you're Bonds, or Schilling, or Santana...OK, I guess some players make or break their team). I would love to see Delgado in TO--right now he's the only Blue Jay among the league's top 50 in OBP (#20); and only he and Vernon are in the top 50 in slugging (Carlos is #11)--both categories which the team desperately needs to shore up. But I don't think the Jays can afford to spend a fifth (or more) of the team's payroll on him for the next three years or so. Alas. Haromf. Whatever.
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