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**** POSTPONED ****


Magic is how I would describe Ted Lilly when he's on his game. A deceptively quick fastball, a killer change and a quality curve spell trouble for opponents when he's on - hitters tie themselves in knots trying to adjust to the changing speed and location of his repertoire.

Some scoffed when Lilly was chosen as the lone Blue Jays representative at the all-star game. But a strong case can be made that Lilly has not only been the most valuable pitcher on the team, but arguably the team MVP.

Lilly will start the final game of the season if he takes his regular rest, though stranger things have happened. This might be the last chance to see him in action before the curtain is drawn on a painful and disappointing campaign for the Toronto Blue Jays.

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_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#16049) #
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=240928101
Yahoo says the game has been postponed and will be made up as a doubleheader tomorrow.
_JackFoley - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#16050) #
That sucks.
_rodent - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#16051) #
And Rogers is subing Boston & Tampa Bay.
_JackFoley - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#16052) #
Any chance tomorrow's game will be on Sportsnet?
_JackFoley - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#16053) #
Any chance tomorrow's game will be on Sportsnet?
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#16054) #
Don't worry Wilner, if you run out of material I've prepared some topics for you:

1) Remention your MLB re-alignment (which I was fascinated with) and wait for caller rebutles.

2) Mention that goofy story about the Colts moving to TO

3) SAY THRILLHOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#16055) #
Dang it! This bites. I was looking forward to today's game. I guess I won't get 2 starts out of Lilly for fantasy purposes either. And I won't be able to watch another Jays game til next year. Pretty depressing. Best of luck to the boys, go catch those friggin Devil Rays.
_JackFoley - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#16056) #
Wilner's re-alignment won't work due to the 15 team split.
_Donkit R.K. - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:12 PM EDT (#16057) #
Excuse my ignorance, but why is it so awful to have an even number of teams in the two leagues?
_BCMike - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#16058) #
And Rogers is subing Boston & Tampa Bay.

Hopefully they switch over to Anaheim at Texas once that game gets underway.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#16059) #
Who cares if it wont work? It's fun just to talk about it and mess around till a viable option is found.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#16060) #
Because it means on any given day, one team in each league won't be able to play.

This really blows. I had the day off of work, and I've been looking forward to watching Lilly's last start of the season. Instead, I will likely miss BOTH games tomorrow.
_BCMike - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#16061) #
Excuse my ignorance, but why is it so awful to have an even number of teams in the two leagues?

Because that would mean there would be an uneven number(15) in each league, which causes a lot of problems when you try and come up with a schedule.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:16 PM EDT (#16062) #
Excuse my ignorance, but why is it so awful to have an even number of teams in the two leagues?

He ment there would be 15 teams in each leauge, meaning there'd always be an odd team up when everyone pairs up for series'.
_Donkit R.K. - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#16063) #
riiiight...
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#16064) #
If you didn't mind having interleague play all the time, though, it would no longer be an issue.
_Mike Wilner - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#16065) #
Hope you're all tuned into the rainout show, it's gonna be good! And Thrillhouse? I still don't see it. Enlighten me, please.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#16066) #
JP should come on the rainout show to make up for missing last week's WWJP. ;-)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#16067) #
Don't worry Wilner, if you run out of material I've prepared some topics for you

I gotta say, Jobu, you've got to be the strangest poster on the Box. Given the diverse set of personalities we have here, that's a real accomplishment, unlike, say, being the prettiest girl in the leper colony.

I don't get "THRILLHOUSE", either. :)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#16068) #
What's Wilner saying now? They have the Jim Rome show on Radio 98 in London instead. Blech.
_Prisoner of Ham - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#16069) #
He's talking about the Jays likely being active in the trade market, rather than free agency, and focusing on on-base rather than slugging.
_Obo - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#16070) #
Wilner:

j) Whip it out.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:37 PM EDT (#16071) #
Hey alright! Im unique! But I'm usualy the strangest person in any given context.

As for THRILLHOUSE. Where have you guys been all week?

It started innocently enough with this post by Fozzy about Russ Adams
http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/00002439.shtml#243946

that snowballed throughout the entire thread, and into the posts of the next few days after Milhouse became THRILLHOUSE (a specific episode reference) so as not to humiliate Adams. Then it became visual with my "creation"

http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/00002446.shtml#244642

to cememnt the nickname into the Hall of Super Weird Fame. And now that I've heard the ALL MIGHTY WILNER pick up "Hawaiian Punch Out" it's been my goal to hear him say THRILLHOUSE on the air.

What's it gonna take to make my dreams come true Mr. Five Tool Host?
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#16072) #
What's Wilner saying now? They have the Jim Rome show on Radio 98 in London instead. Blech.

Why not listen live on the fan website?
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#16073) #
http://www.jr-digital.com/cjcl.asx
COMN for FAN link, Moffatt (or anyone).
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#16074) #
Why not listen live on the fan website?

I thought it'd be blacked out. I'll check it out now. :)

Can anyone listen to Rome's show for more than 5 minutes without wanting to dig their brain out with a spoon?

Here's a transcript of every Jim Rome show:

"DUDE SAID X THAN Y"

"CAN YOU BELIEVE IT.. X *THAN* Y"

"WHAT KIND OF MORON SAYS X THAN Y"

"YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. X THAN Y?"

"X THAN Y?"

"I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU CLONES THINK"

"DEAR JIM, I USED TO DO X THAN Y BEFORE EVERY GAME. THEN I'D GO BANG THREE CHICKS. SINCERELY, WADE BOGGS".

Blech.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#16075) #
I used to listen to Rome when he was on 640, just to hear how bad he is. Now I have the pleasure of listening to a THRILLHOUSE of a radio host like Mr. Wilner.
_Paul D - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#16076) #
Obu, that was gold.

The Expos game is on Headline Sports, if you're so inclined.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#16077) #
Wilner probably won't want to read through the whole game thread (although he is a five-tool radio host), so I'll summarize the Thrillhouse stuff for him here:

Basically, we kept using famous Milhouse quotes when referring to Adams the other night. I don't know if you watch The Simpsons, so some of these might not be familiar.

- "Everything's coming up Adams!" for his bloop singles.
- Adams on possible trade rumors: "I can't go to the NL, they use guys like me as currency!"

And on, and on, into the night. We concluded that Milhouse was a geek, so his name wasn't good enough for Adams. We took Milhouse's nickname from some video game he played -- Thrillhouse, which appeared as THRILLHO on the 8-character max screen -- and declared it the Official Russ Adams Nickname.

Now you know. ;)

And there's a guy named Bart on the show right now. Perfect timing.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#16078) #
And if the explanation doesn't entice you, behold THRILLHOUSE in all his glory!!



You don't even have to reference him directly.... you could slide it in like "there's a THRILLHOUSE of a game going on in Tampa Bay tonight".
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#16079) #
If you thought that was a long explanation, don't get me started on The Brandon Heat King Major League SHOOGY Flyin' Hawaiian Punch-Out with Goggles, which would take longer than a 20/20 update to read through...
_Mike Wilner - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#16080) #
Thanks for the run-through, Rob. I read that thread, and love the Simpsons (any of you catch my Simpsons reference when I was talking to the caller from Seattle?). I read that thread at the time, but I gotta be honest - Thrillhouse for Russ Adams doesn't do it for me like Hawaiian Punch-Out for League does. It just doesn't speak to me. Maybe if you guys keep calling him that, it'll stick. Heck, I'll even mention it to him when the Jays get home from Baltimore, see what he thinks.
_Jobu and Barbra - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#16081) #
Heck, I'll even mention it to him when the Jays get home from Baltimore, see what he thinks.

Did you ever know that you're my hero?
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#16082) #
any of you catch my Simpsons reference when I was talking to the caller from Seattle?

Please. That was an easy one. ;)
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:05 PM EDT (#16083) #
Congrats to Rob for remembering "Flyin'" this time ;)
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#16084) #
But boo to Jobu for confusing Babs with Bette. :)
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#16085) #
Just cuse she didn't write the song doesn't mean she couldn't sing it with me. Remember I'm the token strange one ;)
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#16086) #
The problem is, Thrillhouse makes no sense at all if you haven't read the thread. Flyin' Hawaiian fits, as Wilner says.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#16087) #
And I'm keeping my fingers crossed the word "THRILLHOUSE" somehow slides onto the air...
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#16088) #
I admit that THRILLHOUSE is much more inside and not as obvious as Flyin Hawaiian. I would never contest that, I'm not that insane. I'm not faulting the 5 tooler for not saying it. Just keeping a little dream in back pocket.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#16089) #
Exactly, Rob.

If only Adams had blue hair and wore thick glasses.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#16090) #
When you think about, the Flyin Hawaiian is more THRILLHOUSE like ;)

But I figure if we keep using it like Mighty Wilner said, and THRILLHOUSE starts to make thrilling plays in his career, we'll wonder what we used to call him in the days before THRILLHOUSE.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#16091) #
LOL. Mulderized.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#16092) #
By the way, does anyone know a website where I can find the jersery numbers of any player to ever play for the Jays? I'm trying to compose a unique "pinch hit" over the next few weeks.
_Jim - TBG - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#16093) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Well, if you Google "Russ Adams" and "Thrillhouse," you do get 3 hits. It's a start, Jobu.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#16094) #
So it begins...
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#16095) #
Warren Sawkiw on now.

Will Caroll on soon. I missed the other guy's name.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#16096) #
Mr. Fordin is the other guest on this THRILLHOUSE of a show Wilner is pitching till 11pm.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#16097) #
http://baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=2003&t=TOR
Jobu, COMN for 2003 jersey numbers and you can edit the URL for all seasons.
("y=2003" becomes "y=1996" or whatever year you want.)

**

Sawkiw is on the FAN now. I might just turn Wilner off here. He (Sawkiw) just called the Flyin' Hawaiian "Brandon Leagues."

**

Well, if Adams = Milhouse, what are the other Simpsons equivalencies on the Jays?

Some ideas...
Menechino = Ralph Wiggum
Batista = Lisa
File = Martin Prince
League = that teenager with the squeaky-voice
Delgado = Carl Carlson
Cat = Lenny Leonard
_Jim - TBG - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#16098) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Try this site.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#16099) #
Sawkiw takes a lot of heat on here, but I really love his enthuiasm.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#16100) #
Rob! You're aces kid! Thanks!

PS. Menechino = Ralph Wiggum = funny.
_Jim - TBG - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#16101) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Damn your oily hide, Rob! I think that's twice you've done that to me now... You must now request at least 1 ticket to Friday's game. :)
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#16102) #
Honourable mention to Jim from TBG. I'm excited about this project I'm taking on. Hopefuly it's deemed post worthy whenever it's done.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#16103) #
Now if I can just find all the coaches numbers I'm set.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#16104) #
It's too bad Sawkiw never made the big leagues. He would have had some good nicknames.

We will...we will...sawkiw.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#16105) #
Rob! You're aces kid! Thanks!

You're welcome, and sorry, Jim -- it's a posting gift I have.

Jobu, I'm assuming you're basically my age (born 1987 here), but I will gladly go along with the joke. ;)
So watch what you say, old-timer!
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#16106) #
Don't worry Rob, im in '83 and I call people twice my age that. I have alot of catch phrases to annoy my friends.

Coach's numbers are proving much more difficult.
_Jim - TBG - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#16107) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Nickname-wise, League has it all over Adams.

Cool Birthplace: League. There are all kinds of cultural references to Hawaii, and Hawaiian rhymes so easily: Flyin', Cryin', Fish Fryin' - the possibilities are endless.

If he ever claims #50 from Chulk, he can be Hawaii Five-0

Name: League. He's the first major leaguer whose name is actually League. You could look it up (I had to).

Physical Characteristics: League has the funky goggles going for him, while Adams could play Generic Big Leaguer #3 out of central casting.

Skills: Adams has a nice mix, but as a pitcher League is the centre of attention when he's in, and throws blazing heat, which has been a staple of dozens of nicknames: Dizzy, Big Train, Rapid Robert, Sudden Sam, Rocket Roger, Ryan's Express, etc.

So nicknaming Adams is an uphill climb. You could do some Adams Family riff on his name, but that's about 35 years past its expiry date. If he'd wear #86, you could pull some Get Smart references, but that's similarly dated. We could try something that evokes his style of play, but we've hardly seen enough of him.

Damning with Faint Praise: Russ "Better Than Terry" Adams
Generic baseball nickname: Rusty
Just plain mean: Better than Woodward

I even tried an anagram generator, which cranked out: AS ASS DRUM

Suddenly Thrillhouse isn't looking so bad...
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#16108) #
WHY is Sportsnet showing BOS/TB and not TEX/ANA ??

Boston clinched a playoff spot, and the D-Rays were eliminated a looong time ago. This game is meaningless. Boooo.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#16109) #
Speaking of nicknames, what baseball nicknames do you wish would make a comeback?

My number one choice is Pants.

That's the name I'd want if I was a manager.
_Jim - TBG - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#16110) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
That's make a helluva headline the day you were fired:

Blue Jays Drop Pants
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#16111) #
Brandon League: Enron, a bad glue.
Russ "D.E." Adams: Ass Arms, Dude!

Advantage, Adams.

Wait, is it only me, Jobu, Moffatt, Ryan, and Jim here now? Nobody else has posted since Wilner did almost an hour ago...gotta love rain delays.
_Jim - TBG - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#16112) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Should read "That'd," and I seem to have completely butchered "hell of a"
_Mike Wilner - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#16113) #
Trivia just for y'all:

Anyone know what Babe Ruth called Lou Gehrig?

Hint 1: inspired by a couple of earlier posts. Hint B: Not Thrillhouse. :-)
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#16114) #
Yes, I am ridiculously bored here. I'm playing blast billiards and listening to Wilner.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#16115) #
Hint B: Not Thrillhouse. :-)

.....Sawkiw?
_Loveshack - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#16116) #
what are the other Simpsons equivalencies on the Jays?

I just want to know which latin player gets the honour of being the Bumblebee Man.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#16117) #
Speaking of nicknames, I guess my "Inspector Speier" to the Inspector Gadget Theme didn't take off when we were discussing it way back when. But I still can't help whistling the tune every time he's in a ballgame. It still makes me chuckle. Do do do do do, DO DOOOOO.
_SF - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#16118) #
That would be Biscuit Pants, me thinks.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#16119) #
Pants would be a damn sight better than Blondie. But, if my name was William Aloysius, and take Blondie over anything but Bill.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#16120) #
Anyone know what Babe Ruth called Lou Gehrig?

Uh, Babs or Bette?
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#16121) #
Wait, wait.... I got it:

The Brandon Heat King Major League SHOOGY Flyin' Hawaiian Punch-Out with Goggles
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#16122) #
It's a good thing Richard Harden shortens his name to Rich and not the alternative.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#16123) #
That Blast Billiards just wasted 20 minutes for me, Ryan. Thanks for keeping me from typing up my chem lab reports! ;)

It's a good thing Richard Harden shortens his name to Rich and not the alternative.

If you remember the Olympic team (damn that Grecian Wind!), Stubby Clapp's real first name is Richard.
Make up your own puns.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#16124) #
Biscuit Pants? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but I suppose Babe earned the right to make up whatever nickname he wants.
_greenfrog - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#16125) #
In the parallel universe dept. (paragraph courtesy of CBS Sportsline):

"Rookie left-hander Adolfo Chacin will start the second game Wednesday and throw to rookie catcher Guillermo Quiroz, Gibbons said. Quiroz caught Chacin in his last start, a four-hit effort through seven shutout innings in his major league debut, Sept. 20 against the Yankees."
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#16126) #
8:59 to 9:12 is only 13 minutes. So 20 is a bit of an exaggeration. ;)
_Moffatt - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#16127) #
Blue Jays Drop Pants

What about when I uncover the other team's dastardly strategery:

Hidden Ball Trick Revealed By Pants
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#16128) #
Stubby Clapp's real first name is Richard

Stubby sounds better than "The" as his nickname I guess. I'm sure he's been called that at one level of the minors or another. Poor guy.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#16129) #
That's gold, Moffatt. Just need to work Thrilhouse's flood pants into there.

We've already eclipsed Saturday's game thread length, and it's a rainout tonight. Nice.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#16130) #
More bored rainout stuff, with anagrams:

Ryan Lind could not find a spot at the hotel for thin people, so he was forced to take a room at the LARDY INN. Mike Moffatt saw the Most Irritating Man (alive) Today, and screamed TAKE OFF, "MIMT!" Yours truly had his POT RECIPE BEAT by a professional grower at the National Marijuana Contest.

And I couldn't work "Mike Wilner: I RENEW MILK" in there anywhere, but it's funny.

Sorry, Jobu. All I could do with the limited knowledge of your name I have is Bujo, Ujob, or Ojub.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#16131) #
LOL, that's good. What do you have for our pal Spencer Fordin?
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#16132) #
Also, Mike Wilner can also be "WIENER MILK"

I'd like to see you work that into a paragraph while keeping it PG-13.
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#16133) #
Mike Wilner was just on with Spencer Fordin. Spencer slammed (politely) Wilner's playoff ideas.

I actually like the wildcard tournament idea - which I would do as follows:

1) Go back to two divisions per league
2) Allow 4 wildcard slots and have a two day tournament at a neutral site.

I never liked the 3 division concept - all but one of the divisions have 5 or fewer teams and in my book it isn't a great accomplishment to win a division if your four competitors happen to be medioicre (e.g. Twins).

On another topic - Batista as closer:

I'll say upfront that I don't know if it's a good idea for Batista in particular to relieve. Both Mike and Spencer seem to agree that thinking, as Batista is prone to do (Spencer called it overthinking), may be detrimental to a closer's performance.

Counterexample - Eric Gagne. Gagne has a vast array of weapons in comparison to most other relief pitchers. When he gets in a tight spot, he often walks around the mound and I can almost "see" the wheels turning in his head. My impression is that he's going through the sequence of pitches and scouting report trying to determine what to throw. During his walk about he never looks at the catcher.

Of course Batista is not Gagne. The number of relievers who have Gagne's stuff might be counted on one hand. But if Batista improves his command, he has the stuff to be a notch below the greatest relievers in the business.

Is that worth more or less than 200 average innings from a starter? I think yes. Two questions for the readership to reflect upon:

1) Is Batista capable of sharpening his control in his role as a relief ace?

2) Is he likely to be an above average starting pitcher if used that way over the next few years.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#16134) #
I'd like to see you work that into a paragraph while keeping it PG-13.

Q: What would you like for dinner, Mike Wilner?
A: A hot dog is fine. And some milk.
Q: Pardon?
A: Wiener, milk.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#16135) #
If I heard Gibbons right, Ryan Glynn is going to be starting on Sunday. I'm planning on going to that game, and I'd rather see just about anybody start than Glynn.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#16136) #
Ryan Glynn? Not exactly leaving an exciting off season bridge for all the casual fans who show up for the last game of the season. Like all the ones who were turned off after the first game of the season.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#16137) #
What do you have for our pal Spencer Fordin?

"Fenton Fordin", Spencer's little brother, is sometimes annoying. Once as children, he turned off Spencer's music, to which the writer-to-be responded "FEN, SPIN RECORD!"
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#16138) #
Maybe this will help you out Rob:

Jobu = JOe BUscemi
Named For Hank - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#16139) #
I gotta say, Jobu, you've got to be the strangest poster on the Box. Given the diverse set of personalities we have here, that's a real accomplishment

Moffatt, wait until you go to a game with the guy. He's pretty quiet until he shouts "Punch him in the face" at the top of his lungs, apparently at random.

Did anyone call in to talk about taking a run at Fordin's mom? I gotta say, that was possibly the funniest thing I've read on here, ever. I'm kind of sad I was at a prenatal class and missed the rainout show.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#16140) #
Frankly, I'm pessimistic about a 33 year old pitcher who has never had great control "sharpening his control" to become a relief ace. If he could do that, why didn't he do that a long time ago? In 1998, Miguel was used mostly as a reliever (56 games, 13 starts,) and his BB/IP was 0.48. This year, his BB/IP is 0.49. Remarkably similar, really. Whether he's a starter or a reliever, I don't see Batista being able to improve his control at this point.

P.S. I'm just looking at Batista's career stats, and I see that he made his MLB debut in 1992. He pitched 2 innings with the Pirates, and then disappeared until 1996. What happened to 1993-1995?
_SF - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#16141) #
Boy, my name inspires some weak anagrams. I can promise you this, though: Wilner will hear plenty about "Wiener Milk" during the season's final weekend. And it probably won't be PG-13.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#16142) #
That's as PG-13 as Beaver Cleaver. Never mind.

My own view from Batista's career record (and particularly his regular September fade, and his performance after he gets into the game, but before he gets tired) is that he's best cast as an ace reliever, going 2 innings plus mostly, 50-60 times per season. With Speier also being able to go more than an inning, this is a workable and valuable role.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#16143) #
Making a whistle dog requires a simple list of ingredients : grated sharp cheese, a wiener, milk or water, and Bisquick.

I want four rounds of playoffs, NHL-style. I'd prefer having 16 teams make the playoffs, but I would also settle for (and I think most people would prefer) six teams per league, with two byes and two real series, best-of-three or better yet best-of-five, all played at the better team's park over five days.

Robert's suggestion is actually great as well.

An even more exciting (though probably too radical) format would be like Robert's, but instead of having two division winners and four wild card slots, keep three divisions and let EVERYONE in for the final slot in a single-elimination tournament format. Imagine how nuts that would be... essentially a two-day tournament, and using the current NL as an example, you would seed the 13 non-division-winners 1 through 13. 1 through 3 would get first-round byes and you'd have 4 play 13, 5 play 12, and so forth, to get eight teams that would then be whittled down to four with a night game.

The next day, they'd play the semifinals in the morning and the finals in the evening. The tournament winner plays the top team in the league in the first round of the playoffs. The best thing about this format is that no team is ever out of it, which is one of the biggest complaints that fans have at this time of year. Imagine if teams were still jockeying for seedings in the playoff tournament right now, with all eyes on two insane days over a single weekend at the end of the regular season.

This sort of thing probably only appeals to anarchic, chaos-loving people like myself but it sure as heck would make baseball relevant again. You'd need to hold the tournaments in cities where you had two parks close together, or where there were two cities close together. You could definitely make it work though.

All a pipe dream, I know, but a fun thought. I have to try playing a DMB league like that sometime.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#16144) #
About Stubby: In Quebec City there's a theater in a crazy pyramid-shaped mall called "Le Clap". I wish I'd taken a photo.

Continuing the Simpsons / Blue Jays connection:

If Delgado is Carl, and the Cat is Lenny, does that mean that he's spent one magic summer carving Mount Delgado-more? Or is that what he's been up to while he's rehabbing?

There's also one comparison that's so obvious, I'm surprised that no-one's caught onto it:

Dave Berg = "C'mon, old Bergie needs a hit!" (he moans as breaks his bat) "Oh, I only had one more payment on that bat!"

As for Batista, in 1993, he was in Harrisberg (AA) for 3 games, not sure what happened (injury maybe?) In 1994, he was back in Harrisberg, but only pitched 11 innings (injury, maybe). In 1995, he was in Charlotte (AAA) He pitched 116 innings, had a 4.80 ERA. In 1996, he was in Charlotte again, for 77 innings, then went to Florida. Then from 1997 - 2000, he got shuttled back and forth from the minors (Iowa, Ottawa, Omaha) to the parent clubs (the Cubs, Montreal, Kansas City). Only in 2001 did he spend a whole season in the majors.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#16145) #
Jobu: all at once now, change your name to a six-sided 3D figure, cry over spilled apple juice, and urge yourself to turn into the art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition:

I'M JOE CUBES...*SOB*, ME JUICE...JOE, BE MUSIC!
_greenfrog - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#16146) #
Lots of interesting comments about Sally League prospects (including Diaz, Roberts, Marcum, Mastny, and others) in John Manuel's chat wrap on Baseball America:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/chat/040928jm.html

How do you do that COMN thing?
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#16147) #
Moffatt, wait until you go to a game with the guy. He's pretty quiet until he shouts "Punch him in the face" at the top of his lungs, apparently at random.

Just wait till the Yankee's are in town and I only have two games left to get "Punch him in the face!" out of my system.

Craig B: Do you realize, in essence, you just invented a new holiday with that idea that would keep men and female ball fans indoors away from work and family for two days straight? And thats a good thing.

6-4-3: Berg as Gil? I'm still laughing....

Rob: That's frighteningly brilliant.
_Gwyn - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#16148) #
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/chat/040928jm.html
greenfrog - paste the link into the Homepage box.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#16149) #
http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html
For anyone wondering how I keep coming up with these brilliant anagrams, COMN for DIY-fun.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#16150) #
Well, let's see Spencer... we have one racial insult (NIPS CONFERRED), a little bit of domination action (FORCED SPINNER), bizarre car pictures (SIC FENDER PORN), modular swordfighters (DROP-IN FENCERS), a command regarding fridge parts (FEND NO CRISPER), Cesar and his buddy (CRESPO 'N' FRIEND),

My favourite one that doesn't make much sense is NORDIC SERF PEN. Actually, my very favourite one that doesn't make much sense is NERF CORD PENIS.

I think I'll just call you DR. PRISON FENCE from now on. Or maybe I'll call you PROF. DR. INCENSE. I also like DR. INFO SPENCER.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#16151) #
More Simpsons:

"Hi, I'm Gregg Zaun. You might remember me from such teams as the '95 Orioles, the 1997 Marlins, and the 2001 Royals. You don't? Oh". Although he doesn't have any rumors of bad behaviour at the aquarium, so . . .

The entire relief corps could borrow the name of Lionel Hutz's firm : "I can't believe it's a bullpen!"

Just saw that Glynn stuff. Ugh. I'm going on the last game, too. I'd rather see a "bullpen start", like St. Louis is doing, of Speier, League, and Batista. I'm not even joking. I'd rather see Justin Speier pitch 2 innings, then give League a few, then Lighterfluid, Frasor, Chulk, etc. I wish they'd jiggled the rotation to give a decent starter on the last game.

My anagram possibilities are endless: there's the common 4-6-3, there's the rarer 4-3-6, there's the even rarer 3-4-6, Mayber a 6-3-4.

Okay, fine. What's my vulgar reaction to the Jays spending 6 million dollars on "the next Ken Griffey Jr."? "Cruz? Cue oath"
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#16152) #
Craig's suggestion could lead to a 65-97 team winning the World Series. If that happened, the baseball world as we know it would vanish in an instant and be replaced by one that was infinitely more complex, though no one would be aware of it.

10,000,000 points to the first person who catches the literary reference.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#16153) #
It's probably wrong, but I'll take a shot anyway.

1984?
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#16154) #
By the way, how can we discuss Mike Wilner anagrams without calling him, just once, IRWIN LEMKE? This is brilliant.

I also like I, WE, KREMLIN which sounds like an extremely short precis of an old Yakov Smirnoff routine. Also there's ME, I WRINKLE and MR. LIKE WINE.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#16155) #
Robert, it would still be more comprehensible than Brockian Ultra Cricket.
_Braby - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#16156) #
Does anyone know who is going to pitch for the Jays for the rest of the season? Why can't they just decide. I just read that Halladay will pitch 90 pitches on Saturday. Who's supposed to pitch Friday? Bush? And tomorrow would be Lilly and Chacin, and Towers on Thursday. So who pitches the finale?
_SF - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#16157) #
That's brilliant work, Mr. Burley. See what I get for playing word games with Bauxites?

By the way, I'm more than happy to respond to Dr. Prison Fence. Nips conferred is still making me laugh -- and I don't see it as racial in origin. I much prefer the body part reference.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#16158) #
Frank Catalanotto gets traded to the Braves, but then suffers yet another rare baseball injury knowns as "ATLANTA CRANK FOOT"
_Ron - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#16159) #
I wish Batista would be traded for a baseball in the off-season. You can put me in the I hate Batista Fan Club

Considering the Jays have a small budget I don't like the idea of paying a closer over 5 mil a season (I believe he's due 9.5 mil the next 2 years)especially an aging player who doesn't have control of the strike zone and is not a strike out pitcher.

I wish the Jays still had Escobar.

Like I've said numerous times next season is put up or shut up time for JP. For the first time since becoming GM he has money to play with.

I know DA Box is pro JP but I'm starting to lean towards the dark side............

I will say I'm jacked up about the off-season.
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#16160) #
A modification of my playoff format. 4 wildcards, but instead of single elimination, have a 3-day round-robin with the two best records going through (head-to-head and then run-differential as tiebreakers). That's 6 games in 3 days in one city - a great festival of baseball.

Modification #2: best-of-three series played over two days. Two neutral sites chosen at the beginning of the regular season (thus 4 for the majors). #3 seed v #6 seed; #4 versus #5. If series tied 1-1, deciding game played in the evening. Two teams advance and join division winners.

Major legaue wide, you'd have 4 games on Tuesday; and between 4 and 8 games on Wednesday, with the deciding game in prime time if necessary. What a festival of baseball that would be in the 4 lucky cities. It would take 7.5 years to rotate through all the teams in baseball for this neutral site round.

Best-of-seven League Semi-Finals begin on Friday. The great thing is it would actually shorten the post-season, while increasing the number of teams in contention. The Union would love it.
_Jonny German - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#16161) #
Now if I can just find all the coaches numbers I'm set.

56 Mike Barnett
53 Joe Breeden
55 Brian Butterfield
58 John Gibbons
47 Gil Patterson
52 Bruce Walton

Do you need historical ones too?
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#16162) #
I guess the 10,000,000 points stays within the roster. Craig, you and I are truly birds of a feather.
_Jordan - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#16163) #
Best game thread of the year is the one with anagrams, Simpsons references and no game, and I miss the whole damn thing while working. There is no justice....
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#16164) #
Im afraid so Mr. German. So far my efforts have turned up nothing.
_SF - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#16165) #
Actually, my first name creates a perfect anagram in and of itself: PC Sneer. There isn't much that sums up my personality better than that.
_SF - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#16166) #
Just to return the favor, I dub thee: Cigar by rule. Yes, I have no constructive idea on how to use my newfound free time.
robertdudek - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#16167) #
Okay, so it wouldn't be shorter, but would add two days to the postseason. Unless they scheduled no off days within each series in the semi-final round and only 1 off day in the LCS round, in which case the length would be exactly the same.

Alternative solution - cut the season back to 154 games and end it a week earlier.
_Jonny German - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#16168) #
How far back, Jobu? I can tell you 2001, 2002, 2003.
_jsoh - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#16169) #
Robert, that would be a reference to the increasingly inaccurately named Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy. Possibly one of the finer works to come out of the publishing houses of Ursa Minor
_Jacko - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#16170) #

Frankly, I'm pessimistic about a 33 year old pitcher who has never had great control "sharpening his control" to become a relief ace. If he could do that, why didn't he do that a long time ago? In 1998, Miguel was used mostly as a reliever (56 games, 13 starts,) and his BB/IP was 0.48. This year, his BB/IP is 0.49. Remarkably similar, really. Whether he's a starter or a reliever, I don't see Batista being able to improve his control at this point.

I don't think _great_ control is necessarily a prerequisite for being a good closer. Armando Benitez has some control issues, but it hasn't prevented him from coming in and slamming the door. Batista has electric stuff, and I think he could end up posting similar numbers.
_jsoh - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#16171) #
Doh!

Trilogy The increasingly inaccurately named HHGTTG trilogy.

thats what I get for rushing my post :(
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#16172) #
Italics begone! = A LEG BISECTION.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#16173) #
In regards to the person who earlier said the Colts article is complete rubbish because the NFL is desperate to put a team in LA before they look at T.O. I'm not so sure about that.

LA had a chance at a team, twice, in the last decade or so and it didn't work. Why would they want to go back? And they probably foolishly think that a team in Toronto would become "Canada's" team and the entire country would buy into the product.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#16174) #
How far back, Jobu? I can tell you 2001, 2002, 2003
Perferably all the way but anything you can give me is a real help.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#16175) #
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=100261
COMN, the Expo's move looks finalized.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#16176) #
I dub thee: Cigar by rule

Thank you, kind sir! You'll find that GARLIC BUYER and A GIRLY CUBER are also popular choices. But my favourite is definitely ICE BURGLARY.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#16177) #
By the way, if anyone knows numbers of past coaches and staff or remembers interesting stories about players and their numbers, or switching numbers etc. Please drop me a line as it will greatly help my project. Much thanks in advance, can't do it without ya.
_Loveshack - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#16178) #
In regards to the person who earlier said the Colts article is complete rubbish because the NFL is desperate to put a team in LA before they look at T.O. I'm not so sure about that

If Im not mistaken LA has had at least 3 separate NFL teams in it's history (Chargers, Raiders, Rams) and all three eventually moved away and have been successful in other markets. Although to be fair the Chargers moved away in 1961, the other two are much more recent.

Still for some reason (2nd largest TV market in the US) the NFL remains *desperate* to have a team in Los Angeles. No matter what it takes or how much it costs or how many palms the NFL has to grease, they will have a team in LA again. It makes little sense, it makes the league look weak, but it's true.

Now after that happens the next market targetted will be Toronto. So it might take awhile, but hopefully, eventually Toronto will have an NFL team.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#16179) #
I just hope a Toronto NFL wouldn't hurt the Argos or the CFL.
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#16180) #
There is nowhere in Toronto that an NFL team can play, period. (The NFL requires at an absolute solid minimum a 60,000 seat facility).

Nothing is big enough, the SkyDome can't be further expanded without ruinous expense, and there is absolutely no chance of a stadium being built to NFL specs until at least 2016 and probably 2020, the next viable date for Toronto to host the Olympics.

Unless someone very, very rich gets an extremely wild hair, the chance of there being an NFL team in Toronto in the next 15 years is very, very unlikely.
_Caino - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#16181) #
I can't believe I missed the rain out show... I was driving from Waterloo home to Toronto listening to ESPN Radio on AM 570 most of the way, not realizing that they had different programming than The Fan during rain delays. I thought they just relayed the Fan and played thier own ads.

Boy was I disappionted when I switched to 590 just in time to hear that I missed all but the very last segment with Gibby.
_Rob - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#16182) #
Craigers, tell Mr. Godfrey that. From Monday's Globe:

"I still hold on to the dream of having an NFL team here. So if there's a new facility, it might be a football one. But I doubt you'll see another ballpark."
_SF - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#16183) #
Craig, further review has given you two new tremendous names. I submit that you'd prefer Larry Big Cue, but most people will get a bigger kick out of Gay Rub Relic. (No pun intended, of course).

Don't blame me. I just report the anagrams -- I don't make 'em.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#16184) #
My name, anagramwise, comes out as I AM THE WET SMELL, which I can't say I'm nuts about. I prefer LEMMA WITH STEEL. My wife is more fortunate; she's the LION BATTLER.
_Dan H - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#16185) #
Well, I'm "A NAMED HIND"; I don't know if that's good or bad...
_Loveshack - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#16186) #
Well SkyDome currently holds 54,000 for football. It's not 60,000 but it's close enough that a team could play there for a couple years if a new stadium was "in the works". I agree that it's almost impossible a new staduim gets built anytime soon especially with the new Argo stadium being opened in 2006, but I wasnt really talking about near future.

If Los Angeles gets a team in say 2007 or 2008 then Toronto could conceivably have a team in say 2014 with a new stadium being ready for the summer olympics in 2016. Yes it's far far in the future. Probably too far to be thinking about at this point. But it's not a totally unlikely scenario.
_Dan H - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#16187) #
Oh yeah, instead of that one, I'm going with "A MAN HIDDEN"; That's just plain cool :)
_Paul D - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#16188) #
I just want to agree with Craig.

You need a Torontonian with half a billion dollars (the expansion fee) plus another quarter billion to build a stadium.

Meanwhile, there's probably 10 markets in the States that would build a Stadium for a prospective owner if it meant they'd get an NFL team.
_Jonny German - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#16189) #
Jobu, my source is the official Media Guides. I bet the Toronto Public Library system would have a full collection.

2001
13 Buck Martinez (Manager)
35 Terry Bevington (3rd Base)
53 Mark Connor (Pitching)
41 Cito Gaston (Batting)
16 Garth Iorg (1st Base)
47 Gil Patterson (Bullpen)
1 Cookie Rojas (Bench)

2002
56 Mike Barnett (Hitting)
58 John Gibbons (Bullpen Catcher)
4 Cookie Rojas (Bench)
14 Carlos Tosca (3rd Base)

2003
14 Carlos Tosca (Manager)
55 Brian Butterfield (3rd Base)
58 John Gibbons (1st Base)
52 Bruce Walton (Bullpen)
Craig B - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#16190) #
I still hold on to the dream of having an NFL team here.

He doesn't have the money, though. He doesn't even come near it. I can't think of anyone (remember, the NFL does not allow corporate ownership... it's a billionaires' club only) off the top of my head with the money and the inclination to buy in to the NFL.

The going rate to buy into the NFL is $700 million US these days and while there's lots of American owners with that kind of cash, there's not many of that kind in Canada, certainly not ones who would want to invite the sort of negative publicity on them that possibly wrecking the CFL would entail.

Add the likely $250-300 million US that it would take to build the kind of state-of-the-art stadium required (remember, no public funding... no one's going to be suckered into that sort of thing here, not for the NFL at any rate) and you have an initial investment of $1 billion US. Which is a pretty penny, especially you can't just sink all your net worth into a sports franchise. At the low end, you'd need $2 billion.

There are a few Canadians with that kind of buying power, but none have ever shown an interest in sports with one exception. Ted Rogers.

Now Ted Rogers might just be crazy enough to buy into the club. His net worth is about twice that $1 billion US buy-in, which means that he could just about manage the nut without skinning himself. I wish Paul luck trying to talk him into it, but I don't see it happening.
_Jobu - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#16191) #
Thanks Johnny! It's a good start, plus I'll definatly check out the libraries now.

PS. Feel free to zing off any emails any of you think of regarding stories of Jay numbers regardless of length or significance. Whatever old story you got helps folks.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#16192) #
These anagrams are fun. I've spent way too much time sifting through the thousands of 'em for my name. A few favorites: I LARK MADONNA and MANDARIN KOLA.

Dr. Zarco only has 4 anagrams...one of which is CZAR ROD. That'd be a good solid handle for someone. Heck of a thread for a rainout.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#16193) #
When Ricciardi was first hired and started in trading people, I ran across the theory more than once on various message boards that it was all part of a plot to bring in an NFL team by driving the Jays out of town. I bring this up in the hope that someone can explain to me just how that would work. I understand steps 1 and 3; it's step 2 I can't fill in.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, September 28 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#16194) #
Wow. After reading Craig's post, I feel really poor. The fact that Carlos Delgado, a man with about 10000000% more money than I, can't even come close, not even CLOSE, to owning a franchise just makes my head hurt.
Thomas - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#16195) #
I posted a wildcard update in the Jays Roundup, but I'll post it here as well.

Is anyone else getting worried about the A's postseason chances? Tim Hudson's poor start today combined with Anaheim's victory over Texas means there will be a tie atop the AL West tomorrow, barring a miraculous comeback. It will be a thrilling series to end the year.

In the NL the Cubbies lost, the Astros won and the Giants are beating the Padres. A valiant season by San Diego, but Jake Peavy's stretch on the DL will prove quiet costly. San Fran is winning, and if they hold on they'll move into a tie with the Cubbies, with Houston only half a game out. LA is losing, so the Giants will only be two back for the NL West, as well.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#16196) #
Kent Williams = Well, I'm A Stink; Islam Twinkle; Mistaken Will; Metal Wilkins; Wales Milk Tin; Millikan Stew; We Install Kim; "Twinkles" Lima; We Milk Stalin; We Kill Mantis; Ask Me In Twill; We Salt In Milk; 'Twas Limekiln!

Jordan Furlong = Run Along Fjord; And Forlorn Jug; Flu On Dr. Jargon; Flung Donor Jar; Lunar Frond Jog. Jordan's name is very tough.

Robert Dudek = Bo Derek Turd; Derobed Turk; Doubted Kerr; UK Debt Order; Doubt Dr. Reek; Todd Rebuker; Odd Turk Beer; "Tube Dr. Dre, OK?"; OK Rudder Bet.

"Mike Moffatt" absolutely sucks for making anagrams. Sucks sucks sucks. Mikey Moffatt = Takeoff Timmy; Tommy Fake Fit; Take Fifty, Mom; Kit Off My Team.
_Keith Talent - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#16197) #
"Weiner Milk" - that made my evening.

Sorry Thomas, I'm pulling for the Angels. I would also be really happy if the Astros won the Wild Card - it would be nice to see them complete that comeback after all the negative press they took this summer, a lot of sports reporters will need to eat crow. It will be two years in a row of fairy tale managerial firing/hirings involving the NL Wild Card. Pulling for the Astros makes sense because I despise the Cubs, and there's not much to the Giants besides Bonds.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#16198) #
Mike Green = Ermine Keg; Meeker Gin; Meek Reign; Emerge Ink; Geek Miner; Me Reeking; I Greek Men; Knee Grime; Mere Eking.

Thomas Ayers = A Shy Maestro; My Area Shots; A Rhyme To Ass; A Hearty Moss; Some Ashtray; A Masher's Toy; A Soy Hamster; A Mossy Earth; A Horsy Steam; Mr. Toy, He A Ass; Most Hearsay; Ya Mother Ass; Yes Or Asthma; She's Amatory; Hates Mayors; Tha Mayoress; Hays Or Meats; My Hats Arose; Math Or Essay?

Mike Denyszyn = Dinky Enzymes; My Sky Denizen; Zen My Kidneys; My Kenny Sized; My Sneezy Kind.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:36 AM EDT (#16199) #
Mick Doherty = My Other Dick; Mr. He-Dick Toy; Thermo-Dicky; Hid My Rocket; My Kid Hector; Me Dr. Itchy, OK?; OK, Try Chimed; I'm Thy Docker; I Rocked Myth; Do My Thicker; Dr. Mitch Yoke; Do Khmer City; Deck Him, Troy!

Kurt Lamont = Lark Mutton; Talk 'N' Tumor.

Scott Lucas = Talc Scouts; Cactus Slot; Coastal Cuts; Last Stucco; Locust Cats; Coca Slut T's.
_The Original Ry - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#16200) #
(Using "The Original Ryan")

Recent Ontario political party leaders... INHALING TORY, RAE is tough. I'd rather listen to A HYENA GIRL INTRO than either of those two.

On the forged Bush National Guard documents, ANY OILING RATHER may have done to the story is certainly enough to discredit the whole thing.

Has anyone stayed at A RIO LETHARGY INN? I hear they're nice and wouldn't mind trying one sometime, just as long as there's NO AIRY LATHERING there.

I've got some staffing decisions to make. What do I do? RETAIN HORNY GINA or THEIR GRANNY IOLA?

In former Jays news, LYON HIT AGAIN! ERR!

With the way Barry Bonds keeps hitting, I don't think he's of AN EARTHLY ORIGIN.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#16201) #
I'll get to the rest tomorrow morning, by which time I'll have an audience.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:44 AM EDT (#16202) #
Ryan, you're forgetting ANGRILY I RENT A HO as well as your ticket on the INHALE ORGY TRAIN which actually sounds like a lot of fun.
Leigh - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:44 AM EDT (#16203) #
Are these all coming from your head, Burley, or is there some technological anagram advance that I don't know about?
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:48 AM EDT (#16204) #
Leigh, it's a combination of both. 21st century anagramming technique requires a perfect meld of man and machine. Someone posted a link to a good anagram engine above... you can also get there by googling "Internet Anagram Server".
_The Original Ry - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:50 AM EDT (#16205) #
Ryan, you're forgetting ANGRILY I RENT A HO as well as your ticket on the INHALE ORGY TRAIN which actually sounds like a lot of fun.

How could I possibly have excluded those? I feel like A HARE LYING IN ROT.
_SF - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:55 AM EDT (#16206) #
What? No reaction to Gay Rub Relic?
_Obo - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:56 AM EDT (#16207) #
Boo.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:57 AM EDT (#16208) #
OK, one more.

Leigh Sprague = Geisha Gulper; Huge Lager Sip; His Ape-Gurgle; A Gehrig Pulse; A Sleigh Purge; Eagle Pig Rush; Haggis El Peru; He Grasp Guile; Huge Rag Piles.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:58 AM EDT (#16209) #
No reaction to Gay Rub Relic?

I'm no relic. :)
_Fozzy - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 01:01 AM EDT (#16210) #
Hmm, I put my name into the anagram machine and came out with:

"I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and big butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my own butt."

Weird.
_Jim - TBG - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 01:04 AM EDT (#16211) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Hmmm.

JAMES TURNER

MR JETER=ANUS

(chalk the equal sign up to artistic license)
_Jobu - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 01:04 AM EDT (#16212) #
Just to clarify, is it absolutley done that the Expos will be in Washington next season? I keep hearing things about the O's owner and a pack of former owners who are going to try and stop MLB. Are they gonna effect anything?
_Obo - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 01:05 AM EDT (#16213) #
Fozzy: Your real name is Moe?
Thomas - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 01:23 AM EDT (#16214) #
Loretta, Giles Nevin vs. Jim Brower with the Giants up 2.
_Mick - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 01:33 AM EDT (#16215) #
Anagrams! Woohoo!

We've played with Anagramatics here on Da Box previously, of course, most recently in the ill-fated A Banal Jury's Game. but giving a whirl to Mike Wilner and to Spencer Fordin beyond those already offered ...

I don't know if Wilner is into Instand Messaging, but this is a disturbting progression:
Mike WIlner - "Wink ... Leer ... IM"
or After the first trade of the offseason, a pleased Wilner can exclaim, "I like Mr. New!"
If he's really into the electronic age, perhaps it's as simple as "Wire, Link Me."

As for Mr. Fordin, well, next time he writes about how Halladay likes to go deep in games, let's give riff to
Spencer Fordin: "Doc Prefers Inn." (the last there is meant as an abbreviation for innings, of course.)Or more to the point, we all know his "Pen Rinds Force."

Michael Doherty
"Hey, I'm a Tech Lord."
Mike D - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 02:19 AM EDT (#16216) #
Insomnia/NL West Update:

Still awake, and the Dodgers just pulled off a five-run ninth to beat the Rockies 5-4. Amazing.

BUT...

Milton Bradley lost his cool -- to say the least -- after a fan tossed a plastic bottle at him. He got ejected after his teammates couldn't calm him down, and as the crowd showered him with boos on his way to the dugout, he tore off his jersey and cap and taunted the crowd.

Possible suspensions aside, does DePodesta treat Bradley like Jose Guillen, or not? Like Guillen, he's a repeat offender. But also like Guillen, he's a fiery competitor.

Complicating matters is that the Dodgers really need his bat. His outburst was more legitimately provoked, but was also wildly disproportionate.

What will DePodesta do? What would you do?
_Keith Talent - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 02:58 AM EDT (#16217) #
DePodesta should stay out of it. The league will suspend him, Bradley should appeal, and he probably won't have to serve any time until next season. When the league hands down the fine, it brings the whole ballclub closer together. If a suspension comes from within, everything falls apart. You don't want to be handing out punishments after wins like that.

This is why I'm torn about the Guillen suspension. I'm wondering what Guillen could have done that was so terrible. Short of standing up in front of everyone in the clubhouse and shouting to the rafters: "Fuck you, Scoscia!", what could have deserved such a severe penalty. Throwing his arms up in the air in frustration for being pinch ran for is no grounds for such a punishment. And the Angels won that game.

I think this deep in the season the stess of the pennant race is going to show on the more competitve players. They shouldn't be punished by their own organization. Let 'em play!
_Elijah - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 03:06 AM EDT (#16218) #
I read in, I think, an L.A. Daily News article that after Guillen was lifted, he started cursing and criticizing Scioscia in Spanish in the dugout. Of course, he forgot that Scioscia, from his days of winter ball and handling Fernando Valenzuela, speaks fluent Spanish and heard what Guillen said. And I'm not really sure about Bradley but I can tell you that it doesn't seem like Guillen's Angels teammates are mourning his departure.

Of course, there were three or four other incidents with Guillen over the past year. This may have been the last straw.

As for Bradley, I think the Dodgers will handle it internally. They have to because Bradley was really on him after he was ejected. They may simply fine him. The Dodgers can afford to suspend him - they have a three-game lead with five to play. Keeping him out of a game or two probably wouldn't be fatal to the Dodgers. They could stick Green in right and Ventura or the rotting carcass of Hee Seop Choi could play first.

Bradley has been fiery all year - this hasn't just been in the heat of the pennant race... and he does have a pretty checkered past in his time with the Expos and the Tribe.
_A - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 07:42 AM EDT (#16219) #
With my name I came up with the first half of the headline, though I had to replace an E with a D.

Half Ltr. Fund reamed & chafe(d)...After drinking binge
_Jordan - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 08:45 AM EDT (#16220) #
Dr. Jargon

I think I've just found my new online handle.
_Jim - TBG - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 09:02 AM EDT (#16221) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
Yeah, but did you attend Jargon medical school for 7 years?
robertdudek - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 09:40 AM EDT (#16222) #
I find it particularly interesting that Wilner interviewed a Los Angeles-based columnist on the rain out show last night who stated that Bradley had vowed not to get ejected from a ballgame after three easrly season ejections.

I know one thing - if Bradley were with the Angels now instead of the Dodgers, he would be gone for the year just like Guillen. We'll see what the Dodgers do.

I wonder if the league considers the post-season to be separate as far as suspensions go. That is, if Bradley appeals and eventually loses, will the league suspension take effect immediately thereafter or will it wait until next season?
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#16223) #
if Bradley were with the Angels now instead of the Dodgers, he would be gone for the year just like Guillen

Well, he'd probably have to be, just for appearances' sake, but the two incidents weren't similar. Guillen cursed out his manager in the dugout, the hall, and the locker room, in Spanish of course, oblivious to the fact that Scioscia speaks Spanish. So not only did he do the most childish possible thing, he managed to drive a nice little wedge between himself and his manager.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#16224) #
Half Ltr. Fund reamed & chafe(d)...After drinking binge

A, I have a much better one for you...

HE FLUFFED MR. LEATHER CANADA

You're welcome. :)
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#16225) #
Slowly getting around to everyone...

Aaron Reynolds = Aryan Nose Lord; A Loony's Errand; On A Salon Dryer; Yon Nasal Order; No Salary Drone; Radar Nose Only; Annoy Dr. Arsole; No Ornery Salad; Red Rayon Salon; Red Yarn Saloon; Leonardo Yarns; Rondo Analyser; Ray's A Londoner; "Done Anal, Sorry!"; "Oral, Sonny Dear!"; Orlando Yearns.
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#16226) #
Gwyn Price (very tough) = Percy Wing; Crying Pew; We Cry "Ping!".

John Neary (tougher) = Horny Jane; Johnny Ear.

Joe Drew (yet tougher) = Jew-doer.

John Gizzi - Stingingly rebuked. Nothing at all.
_Matthew E - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#16227) #
John Gizzi - Stingingly rebuked. Nothing at all.

No? As far as I can tell it rearranges to the disturbingly lubricious JIZZING HO.
_Mick - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#16228) #
John Gizzi?
Easy ... h8is political views put readers to sleep, so
"Hi, Jingo! Zz."
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#16229) #
Jonny German (also tough) = Jenny Morgan.

Aaron Gleeman = Granola Enema; Angela Ramone; Angora Enamel; Arena Goal Men; "Are Men Analog?"; Norman E. Algae; Rename Angola; A Lone Manager; A Reagan Lemon; Anal Gnome Era; A Neo-Anal Germ; A N.E. Male Organ; A Moaner Angle; A Real Non-Game; "Man, A Large One!"
Craig B - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#16230) #
Matthew, thanks.

Geez, with it being this hour of the day, I should stop working blue, eh? Anyway, I know I have Dave and Gerry left to do (Spicol = PC Oils) but they'll have to wait for later.
Mike Green - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#16231) #
Aaron Gleeman has both Granola Enema, A Reagan Lemon and Man, What a Large One. What were the odds of that?

Craig, you are a champion anagrammer.
Named For Hank - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#16232) #
No Salary Drone is more appropriate than anyone can possibly imagine. ;)

Granola enema is both the most off-putting and funniest one I've read...except for maybe Wiener Milk.
_Jordan - Wednesday, September 29 2004 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#16233) #
It's too perfect:

Gideon Clarke = Ironclad Geek
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#16234) #
Kent Williams = Well, I'm A Stink; Islam Twinkle; Mistaken Will; Metal Wilkins; Wales Milk Tin; Millikan Stew; We Install Kim; "Twinkles" Lima; We Milk Stalin; We Kill Mantis; Ask Me In Twill; We Salt In Milk; 'Twas Limekiln!

My favorite is "Ma, I kill newts."

Also, Thomas Ayers = "TOY SMASHER"

My name sucks for anagramming.
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