Batter's Box Interactive Magazine - Jays Roundup

watchin' 6 years
slipping through my picket gate.
Like some wounded dog escapin'
through the hole in the kennel fence
The water's boiling, poached eggs waiting
The toast I notice - still on the plate
The queen of diamonds
lying face down
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Today We Have a Contest!

There doesn't appear to be any Jays news today. So instead I'm going to "borrow" a Prediction contest from the Will Carroll Weblog.

Predict The Free Agents Contest

Predict where each of these free agents will end up, how many years their contract will cover, how much they'll get per year (on average). So your answers should be of the form:

Richie Sexson (D-Backs: 3x10)

Where "3" is the number of years and "10" is the average yearly salary.

Rules:
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Option years don't count for the length of the contract. So guess on the low side for years
We're looking for average yearly salary. No need to indicate if the salary is backweighted or anything like that. For the purposes of this contest, it doesn't matter.
Guess dollars in whole numbers. I'll end up rounding the actual contract figures to the nearest million dollars per year
If you think a player will retire, write (retire)
Two points will be awarded for correct team, one point for correct contract length, and one point for correct dollar amount.

Here's the ballot. Have fun!

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens
2. Pedro Martinez
3. Carl Pavano

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez
2. Troy Percival
3. Jose Mesa

First base
1. Richie Sexson
2. Carlos Delgado
3. Tino Martinez

Second base
1. Jeff Kent
2. Miguel Cairo
3. Tony Womack

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria
2. Orlando Cabrera
3. Nomar Garciaparra

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre
2. Troy Glaus
3. Vinny Castilla

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek
2. Damian Miller
3. Mike Matheny

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran
2. J.D. Drew
3. Magglio Ordonez
4. Steve Finley
5. Moises Alou
6. Jeromy Burnitz
7. Jermaine Dye
8. Richard Hidalgo
9. Juan Gonzalez

Have fun!

Posted by Pepper Moffatt on Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:05 AM EDT.

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_6-4-3 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:13 AM EDT (#26029) #

Whoever the hairdresser is for the Red Sox (I think his name is Morrissey), they should be set on fire for what they did to Kevin Millar.

_Moffatt - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:16 AM EDT (#26030) #

D'oh! You got the song right just before I changed it due to some sad news from the music world.

The first song was Hairdresser on Fire by Morrisey. You win 200 million points, a picture of a hairdresser on fire:

and a picture of a Fishercat:

_6-4-3 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:27 AM EDT (#26031) #

Fine, I'll just have to do a ChinaTown Calculation to find out what the next song is . . . Doug and the Slugs like to eat fishercats, right?

_Magpie - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:36 AM EDT (#26032) #

What's the sad news?

_Moffatt - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:38 AM EDT (#26033) #

Lead singer for Doug and the Slugs dies

More points to come later.

_Daryn - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:54 AM EDT (#26034) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros: 1x8)
2. Pedro Martinez (Ana: 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Fla: 3x5)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Ana: 3x5)
2. Troy Percival (SF: 2x8)
3. Jose Mesa (Cle: 1x4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Ari: 4x7)
2. Carlos Delgado (Bal: 3x9)
3. Tino Martinez (TB: 1x4)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Bos: 3x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (Sea: 3x2)
3. Tony Womack (Col: 1x4)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (ChW: 3x5)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Bos: 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (ChC: 4x8)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 5x7)
2. Troy Glaus (Bos: 3x6)
3. Vinny Castilla (Sea: 1x3)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Bos: 3x6)
2. Damian Miller (Atl: 2x3)
3. Mike Matheny (Stl: 2x4)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY: 7x12)
2. J.D. Drew (Sea: 2x6)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Atl: 5x10)
4. Steve Finley (SF: 1x4)
5. Moises Alou (Bal: 1x2)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Ana: 3x3)
7. Jermaine Dye (Tex: 3x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (KC: 3x4)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Cle: 1x3)

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#26035) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens Houston (1x 5)
2. Pedro Martinez NYY (3x 13)
3. Carl Pavano NYY (3x 10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez TB (3x 5)
2. Troy Percival Ana (4x 6)
3. Jose Mesa Bal (3x 4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson Tor (3x 10)
2. Carlos Delgado La (4x a billion)
3. Tino Martinez TB (2x his dignity)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent NYY (3x 8)
2. Miguel Cairo Golden State Warriors (2 weeksx coffee)
3. Tony Womack Wsh (3x 5)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria StL (3x 9)
2. Orlando Cabrera Bos (3x 7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra ChC (3x 10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre LA (4x 8)
2. Troy Glaus Tor (3x 6)
3. Vinny Castilla (retire)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek Bos (3x 6)
2. Damian Miller Sea (3x 77)
3. Mike Matheny Da Box (4x peanuts)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran NYY (5x 15)
2. J.D. Drew Bal (3x 5)
3. Magglio Ordonez CWS (4x 11)
4. Steve Finley Bal (3x 5)
5. Moises Alou Bal (3x 5)
6. Jeromy Burnitz Bal (3x 5)
7. Jermaine Dye Bal (3x 5)
8. Richard Hidalgo Bal (3x 5)
9. Juan Gonzalez Bal (3x 5)

Craig B - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:00 AM EDT (#26036) #

Wow. This has to be the most complicated contest ever.

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#26037) #

Wow. This has to be the most complicated contest ever.

Can you tell when I stopped trying? ;)

_Magpie - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:12 AM EDT (#26038) #

Oh look. There's a Hillbilly Zombie in the house...

_Dr. Zarco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:14 AM EDT (#26039) #

Ooo, how fun. I hope some of these Jays predictions come true...

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens if win WS (retire), if not (Hou:1x10.5)
2. Pedro Martinez (Bos:3x13)
3. Carl Pavano (Tor:3x5.5)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Cubs:2x7)
2. Troy Percival (Giants:3x6)
3. Jose Mesa (Mets:2x5.5)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Ari:4x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (Tor:3x8.5)
3. Tino Martinez (LA:1x3.5)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY:2x9)
2. Miguel Cairo (Angels:1x3)
3. Tony Womack (StL:2x6.5)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Bos:4x6)
2. Orlando Cabrera (StL:2x3.5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs:3x11)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA:4x7)
2. Troy Glaus (Tor:3x6.5
3. Vinny Castilla (Angels:2x7)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Bos:5x5)
2. Damian Miller (Mil:1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (SF:1x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY:6x15)
2. J.D. Drew (Atl:3x7)
3. Magglio Ordonez (ChC:4x10)
4. Steve Finley (NYY:2x6)
5. Moises Alou (Fla:1x7)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Oak:2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (SD:2x3)
8. Richard Hidalgo (NYM:3x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Bal:1x4)

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:15 AM EDT (#26040) #

Dad Schulman: Now Bengie, what did I tell you about the living dead?
Bengie: You said to stop bringing them in the house...
Dad Schulman: That's right, now you bring Mr. Wells back to his home down the road.
Bengie: Okay pops...
Landlord Tavarez: AHHHHHHHHH!!! AH YIYA HIGHA EEEE!!!! GA GA GA ERRRR!!!!! I CAN SEE THROUGH TIME!!!!
Molinas!: Here we go again!

(scene)

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:21 AM EDT (#26041) #

Man, not a lot of love for Pavano.

_Marc - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#26042) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens, Houston (1 year, 10 million)
2. Pedro Martinez, New York AL (3 years, 11 million)
3. Carl Pavano, Texas (4 years, 12 million)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez, Anaheim (3 years, 9 million)
2. Troy Percival, Florida (1 year, 5 million)
3. Jose Mesa, Pittsburgh (1 year, 6 million)

First base
1. Richie Sexson, Arizona (4 years, 12 million)
2. Carlos Delgado, Baltimore (3 years, 10 million)
3. Tino Martinez, Tampa Bay (1 year, 4 million)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent, Oakland (2 years, 7 million)
2. Miguel Cairo, St. Louis (2 years, 2 million)
3. Tony Womack, New York AL (1 year, 3 million)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria, (5 years, 8 million)
2. Orlando Cabrera, (2 years, 5 million)
3. Nomar Garciaparra, New York AL (1 year, 10 million� to prove he�s healthy and get a more lucrative contract and play 2B/DH)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre, LA (5 years, 12 million)
2. Troy Glaus, New York NL (3 years, 9 million� either he or Wright will move to first)
3. Vinny Castilla, Colorado (1 year, 6 million)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek, Boston (4 years, 8 million)
2. Damian Miller, (2 years, 3 million)
3. Mike Matheny, St. Louis (2 years, 3 million)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran, New York AL (6 years, 14 million)
2. J.D. Drew, Houston (3 years, 8 million)
3. Magglio Ordonez, Chicago NL (1 year, 9 million� to prove he�s healthy and get a more lucrative contract and piss off the WSOX)
4. Steve Finley, San Diego (2 years, 7 million)
5. Moises Alou, LA (2 years, 7 million)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (2 years, 6 million if Colorado, if not 1 year, 4 million)
7. Jermaine Dye, Chicago AL (2 years, 5 million)
8. Richard Hidalgo, Arizona (2 years, 6 million)
9. Juan Gonzalez (retire� or Colorado at 1 year, 3 million )

_Jonathan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:33 AM EDT (#26043) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros: 1x8)
2. Pedro Martinez (Washington: 3x13)
3. Carl Pavano (Marlins: 4x9)
Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Marlins: 3x6)
2. Troy Percival (SF: 2x4)
3. Jose Mesa (Pirates: 2x2)
First base
1. Richie Sexson (D�backs: 4x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (Seattle: 3x12)
3. Tino Martinez Retire
Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Texas: 2x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees: 2x1)
3. Tony Womack (Cardinals 2x1)
Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Red Sox: 4x10)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Cubs: 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Angels: 4x10)
Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers: 12x4)
2. Troy Glaus (Seattle: 3x9)
3. Vinny Castilla (Rockies: 3x5)
Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox: 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (Athletics: 2x2)
3. Mike Matheny (Cardinals: 2x2)
Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Mets: 5x12)
2. J.D. Drew (Braves: 4x10)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Red Sox: 3x13)
4. Steve Finley (Dodgers: 2x7)
5. Moises Alou (Giants: 2x5)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Rockies: 2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (Washington: 2x11)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Pirates: 2x4)
9. Juan Gonzalez Retire

_Moffatt - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:34 AM EDT (#26044) #

No decimals, Dr. Zarco. Do you want me to round up or down? :)

_Dr. Zarco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#26045) #

Doh! Sorry...I'm an idiot. We'll be generous and round 'em all up. Reading directions has never been my forte.

_Moffatt - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:40 AM EDT (#26046) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros 1x9)
2. Pedro Martinez (Angels 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Red Sox 4x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Astros 2x6)
2. Troy Percival (Blue Jays 2x5)
3. Jose Mesa (Pirates 1x4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (D-Backs 2x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (Mariners 3x11)
3. Tino Martinez (Retire)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Astros 2x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (Cards 2x1)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Cards 4x9)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Red Sox 3x7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Angels 3x11)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Yankees 5x14)
2. Troy Glaus (Red Sox 1x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (Rockies 2x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox 3x9)
2. Damian Miller (Cubs 1x3)
3. Mike Matheny (Cards 2x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 5x15)
2. J.D. Drew (A's 2x8)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Red Sox 4x12)
4. Steve Finley (Dodgers 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (Braves 2x4)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Rockies 2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (Orioles 2x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Mets 1x4)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Retire)

_Perr Deco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#26047) #

I'm pretty sure that all of these players will sign with the Yankees.

Also, I think a lot of you are seriously undervaluing JD Drew, if he's only going to cost $5-7 million, I would rather have him than Delgado. His OPS was 1.006 last year (in a slight pitchers park).

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#26048) #

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/drewj.01.shtml
Drew has a cool pattern going on with games played. COMN. Next year he'll be back at 100.

_Peter - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:03 AM EDT (#26049) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Hou:1x10.5)
2. Pedro Martinez (Bos:3x13)
3. Carl Pavano (FLA:4x7)
4. Brad Radke (Bos:3x7)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Giants:2x4)
2. Troy Percival (Cubs:3x6)
3. Jose Mesa (Col:2x2)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Ari:4x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (Giants:3x9)
3. Tino Martinez (LA:1x3.5)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Astros:1x6)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees:2x3)
3. Tony Womack (StL:2x4)
4. Brett Boone (Angels:3x6)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Bos:4x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Giants:2x4)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs:3x11)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA:4x11)
2. Troy Glaus (Angels:3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Col:2x5)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Bos:3x5)
2. Damian Miller (Mil:1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (CWS:1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY:7x14)
2. J.D. Drew (Atl:3x8)
3. Magglio Ordonez (ChC:4x10)
4. Steve Finley (DBacks:2x6)
5. Moises Alou (Giants:2x7)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (CWS:2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (Tex:2x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (NYM:3x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (year off)

_DGriebeling - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#26050) #

My prediction in this contest is this: I am going to get rotten last place.. (except maybe our local Hillbilly Zombie, who seems to have a crush on the numbers 3 and 5)

P.S. Don't laugh at me

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (retire)
2. Pedro Martinez (Boston: 2x11)
3. Carl Pavano (Yankees: 3x6)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (San Fransisco: 1x3)
2. Troy Percival (Anaheim: 1x6)
3. Jose Mesa (San Diego: 2x4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Arizona: 3x11)
2. Carlos Delgado (Blue Jays (yay): 4x9)
3. Tino Martinez (retire)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Houston: 3x6)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees: 2x3)
3. Tony Womack (White Sox: 1x4)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Cardinals: 4x7)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston: 5x8)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Yankees, as their 2B: 4x8) (this is my one off-the-wall prediction...hey, if they can move a-rod to 3rd....)
4. Omar Vizquel (Toronto: 1x3)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (L.A.: 3x11)
2. Troy Glaus (Colorado: 2x5)
3. Vinny Castilla (Anaheim: 1x7)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston: 4x6)
2. Damian Miller (Washington: 2x4) (I just wanted to use them once)
3. Mike Matheny (Colorado: 2x4)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (GRrrrr... Yankees: 5x12)
2. J.D. Drew (Houston: 4x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Seattle: 3x8)
4. Steve Finley (L.A.: 2x5)
5. Moises Alou (St. Louis: 2x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Brewers: 3x5) (just for you, Jobu)
7. Jermaine Dye (Baltimore: 4x7)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Hey, wasn't this guy a horse?) (Texas: 1x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (retire)

I hope I get one right....

_Mick - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:12 AM EDT (#26051) #

If The Yankees were to sign a SS and move him to 2B, I'd think it'd be Cabrera, not Nomar ... cheaper, healthier AND it would hurt the Red Sox (team, though maybe not Red Sox "nation") more.

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#26052) #

Man, I hope my first job comes with a 3x 5 salary. That'd be sweet.

_Perr Deco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:17 AM EDT (#26053) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros 1x9)
2. Pedro Martinez (Angels 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Red Sox 4x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Astros 2x6)
2. Troy Percival (Blue Jays 2x5)
3. Jose Mesa (Pirates 1x4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (D-Backs 3x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (Orioles 3x10)
3. Tino Martinez (Toronto 1x3)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (retire)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (Cards 2x3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Red Sox 3x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Angels 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers 4x15)
2. Troy Glaus (Tigers 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Rockies 2x6)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (Cubs 1x3)
3. Mike Matheny (Cards 1x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 5x17)
2. J.D. Drew (Baltimore 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Mets 4x12)
4. Steve Finley (Padres 1x5)
5. Moises Alou (Cubs 1x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Rockies 3x6)
7. Jermaine Dye (Seattle 2x6)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Braves 1x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Milwuakee 1x3 plus incentives.)

_Jordan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#26054) #

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-marlins18oct18,0,6964145.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines
As bad as this year has been for the Jays, at least the front office isn't publicly disintegrating, as appears to be the case in Miami. COMN for an account of Marlins misery that, even if half true, marks a very unhappy front office (I especially like the alleged "a trained monkey could run this farm system" line). The last time Jeff Loria worked his special inter-personal magic, the Jays ended up with Tony LaCava.

_Geoff - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#26055) #

pedro 3 13 ana
roger 1 9 tex
pavano 4 9 balt
benitez 3 8 cub
percivl 1 5 sfg
mesa 1 2.5 pitt
sexson 4 10 ari
delgado 3 11 sfg
tino 1 3 tbay
kent 3 10 nyy
cairo 1 3 nyy
womack 1 5 atl
renteri 4 11 stl
cabrera 3 7 bos
nomar 4 13 cub
beltre 5 12 lad
glaus 3 10 sea
castill 1 5 col
varitek 3 8 bos
miller 2 3 lad
matheny 1 1 stl
beltran 7 18 nyy
drew 3 10 atl
ordonez 3 12 nym
finley 2 7 sfg
alou 1 8 tor
burnitz 3 6 col
dye 1 6 cws
hidalgo 3 8 nym
gonzalz 1 5 balt

_Perr Deco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#26056) #

Corrections: (I missed a couple after copy and pasting)

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Texas 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (Yankees 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Red Sox 4x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Mets 2x8)
2. Troy Percival (Cubs 2x7)
3. Jose Mesa (Pirates 1x4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (D-Backs 3x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (Orioles 3x10)
3. Tino Martinez (Toronto 1x3)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (retire)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (Cards 2x3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Red Sox 3x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Angels 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers 4x15)
2. Troy Glaus (Tigers 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Rockies 2x6)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (Cubs 1x3)
3. Mike Matheny (Cards 1x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 5x17)
2. J.D. Drew (Baltimore 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Mets 4x12)
4. Steve Finley (Padres 1x5)
5. Moises Alou (Cubs 1x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Rockies 3x6)
7. Jermaine Dye (Seattle 2x6)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Braves 1x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Milwuakee 1x3 plus incentives.)

_Spicol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#26057) #

Who is going to keep score? Whoever it is, good luck to you, sir.

I'm seeing a lot of low numbers (especially for Pavano!). That would suggest that the owners/GMs have come to their senses. Knowing in my heart that such a thing is impossible, I present this to you:

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (LA: 4x14)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY: 5x12)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (CLE: 3x6)
2. Troy Percival (DET: 3x5)
3. Jose Mesa (TB: 1x1)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (ARI: 4x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (LA: 4x14)
3. Tino Martinez (TB: 1x1)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY: 3x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY: 1x1) He's the new Sojo!
3. Tony Womack (PIT: 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 5x12)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (SEA: 5x12)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 4x8)
2. Troy Glaus (BAL: 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 2x5)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 3x6)
2. Damian Miller (OAK: 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (KC: 1x1)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY: 6x15)
2. J.D. Drew (NYM: 4x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (CHC: 5x11)
4. Steve Finley (ARI: 1x5)
5. Moises Alou (CWS: 1x4)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 3x6)
7. Jermaine Dye (ATL: 3x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (STL: 2x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (NYY: 1x3)

I should point out that I'm prediciting no big Blue Jay signings - not from this list anyway.

_Perr Deco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#26058) #

I really think the Jays should go after Mike Lowell. The Marlins have less than two weeks to deal him and will not get fair value for him.

Worse case senario, the Jays can't afford to keep him, but they could still trade him for something better than what it cost to get him in the first place.

_Spicol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#26059) #

1. Adrian Beltre (Yankees 5x14)

Moffatt, who's moving where in your scenario? ARod or Jeter to 2B?

_Moffatt - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:51 AM EDT (#26060) #

Moffatt, who's moving where in your scenario? ARod or Jeter to 2B?

Jeter would make more sense, but they'll probably move ARod instead.

I'll be collecting all the entries. Will post an update sometime tonight.

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#26061) #

Logical Yankees Line Up 2005

1b: Nomar Garciaparra
2b: Miguel Tejada (Giambi to Bal)
ss: Sigh... Jeter
3b: Alex Rodriguez
lf: Matsui
cf: Beltran
rf: Edgar Renteria
c: Posada

_Spicol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#26062) #

Worse case senario, the Jays can't afford to keep him, but they could still trade him for something better than what it cost to get him in the first place.

With Lowell being a veteran player in the middle of a multi-yr contract, he could demand to be traded at the end of 2005. Whatever team signs him will either have to renegotiate the deal, adding more $$ to make Lowell happy or trade him under pressure, pretty much eroding any negotiating stance the team had. I'd rather that the Jays not get into that - it's hard enough managing a team on a tight budget without having to plan around player demands.

_Spicol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#26063) #

Oh, also, I'd like to point out that Julian Tavarez is a hot-head and a weenie.

Julian, when you throw at a guy's head and he stares at you, yelling "What joo looking at!" to him is not an appropriate response. I think it's pretty obvious what Bags was looking at.

That is all.

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#26064) #

Oh, also, I'd like to point out that Julian Tavarez is a hot-head and a weenie.

Dont worry. We already established that on last nights episode of "Too Many Molinas!"

_jsoh - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#26065) #

rf: Edgar Renteria

This is the best sign that Big George has gone off his rocker, and fired Cashman. Replacing Shef with Renteria is the most inspired move since... oh.. getting Mondesi over a dropped fly ball or two.

My hats off to you Jobu! Keep those predictions coming!

:)

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#26066) #

Oh yeah, I forgot about Sheffield. Mostly I just wanted to poke fun of their collection of Gestapo (SS). I guess Renteria and Sheff will have to platoon. C'est la vie...

Named For Hank - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:10 AM EDT (#26067) #

Anyone have any idea how a fella should go about listening to today's games on one of those radio things? Apparently the Fan is going to run McCown's show instead of Boston-NY.

Is McCown really pulling in better ratings that the playoffs?

_Perr Deco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#26068) #

Just as long as Sportsnet doesn't show his TV show over the game. Has anyone seen his radio show on Sportsnet? It is bad, and McCowan is ugly. Also, what is with the sunglasses?

_DGriebeling - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#26069) #

http://www.thegamelive.com/baseballmlb.html
I'm guessing one of the links at COMN will have it (likely one of the Boston or New York affiliates).

Maybe.

Named For Hank - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#26070) #

That don't help me much on the train, though. ;)

Maybe I'll be able to pick up a NY station.

_James W - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#26071) #

The sunglasses (again) are there because he claims his eyes are sensitive to the lights they are using for the show.

_Jays1fan1 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#26072) #

Anyone listen to the pre-game show yesterday with Mike Barnett?

I was the first caller that questioned why the Jays OBP was so low last year and how he planned to turn this around for next season.

_DGriebeling - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#26073) #

Oh, sorry NFH... time to get a blackberry! Or, stay at work until the game is done... ;-)

And if history repeats itself, it should be longer than 4 hours, yikes.

_DGriebeling - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#26074) #

I missed it Jays1.... what did he say?

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#26075) #

I was the first caller that questioned why the Jays OBP was so low last year and how he planned to turn this around for next season.

Good question.

What was the response?

_Jays1fan1 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#26076) #

I was a little disappointed in his response, he blamed injuries as the biggest factor.

He said he tries to teach a good approach to each at bat which will lead to a good OBP. The most important thing is pitch selection, batters should look for their pitch to hit.

Mike Wilner also mentioned that Slg. was an issue for the Jays, and Barnett responded by saying that he felt Hinske was the only player that he was disappointed in last season.

_Paul D - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#26077) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros 1X9)
2. Pedro Martinez (Red Sox 3X10)
3. Carl Pavano (Yankees 4X10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Braves 2X5)
2. Troy Percival (Mets 4X10)
3. Jose Mesa (A's 2X4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Washington 3X8)
2. Carlos Delgado (Toro... Baltimore 4X9)
3. Tino Martinez (NYY 2X4)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Astros 2X6)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY 2X2)
3. Tony Womack (St. Louis 2X2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (St. Louis - 3X8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston 4X7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs 4X12)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Cubs 4X15)
2. Troy Glaus (Blue Jays 3X6)
3. Vinny Castilla (Braves 2X3)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston 3X5)
2. Damian Miller (ARZ 2X3)
3. Mike Matheny (St. Louis 2X3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Astros 4X15)
2. J.D. Drew (Braves 3X9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (NYY 3X10)
4. Steve Finley (LA 2X5)
5. Moises Alou (SF 2X3)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (NYM 3X6)
7. Jermaine Dye (Baltimore 2X5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Oak 3X6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Washington 2X4)

Adrian Beltre was super hard to figure out. I don't see him going back to LA, but after them, who's left?

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#26078) #

Ray Boone died over the weekend at the age of 81. Boone is probably best known now as the father of Bob and the grandfather of Aaron and Bret, but he was a pretty fine shortstop/third baseman of the fifties himself.

_Jordan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#26079) #

Barnett responded by saying that he felt Hinske was the only player that he was disappointed in last season.

Mike Barnett, meet Josh Phelps. Oh wait, you can't meet him, he's in Cleveland.

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:10 PM EDT (#26080) #

Mike Wilner also mentioned that Slg. was an issue for the Jays, and Barnett responded by saying that he felt Hinske was the only player that he was disappointed in last season.

That's a strange response. There was a team-wide loss of power, and a significant change in the ground/air ratio of a number of hitters. The first step in solving a problem is acknowledging its existence.

_Max Parkinson - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#26081) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros 1X6)
2. Pedro Martinez (Angels 3X12)
3. Carl Pavano (Red Sox 4X8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Mets 3X6)
2. Troy Percival (Cubs 1X7)
3. Jose Mesa (Phillies 3X3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Orioles 4X8)
2. Carlos Delgado (Padres 3X10)
3. Tino Martinez (Devil Fishies 1X3)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Yankees 1X5)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees 1X1)
3. Tony Womack (Cards 3X3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Cards 4X8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Red Sox 4X6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs 3X12)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers 5X13)
2. Troy Glaus (Tigers 3X7)
3. Vinny Castilla (Retires, please)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox 3X8)
2. Damian Miller (A's 1X3)
3. Mike Matheny (Cards 3X4)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 5X14)
2. J.D. Drew (Mets 3X10)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Cubbies 3X9)
4. Steve Finley (Dodgers 1X6)
5. Moises Alou (Braves 2X4)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (DBacks 2X2)
7. Jermaine Dye (Orioles 3X6)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Rockies 3X5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Les Expos 1X3)

_Marc - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#26082) #

I really hope the Cards defeat the Astros in this series... They seem to have the best roster (better balance, more pop overall) to defeat the Yankees, who are inevitably headed for (ugh) another World Series. I will enjoy watching Pujols, etc. cream the Yankees geriatric pitching.

_Rusty Priske - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#26083) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros 1X8)
2. Pedro Martinez (Rangers 4x11)
3. Carl Pavano (Yankees 3x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Marlins 1x7)
2. Troy Percival (Angels 2x8)
3. Jose Mesa (retire)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Giants 3x8)
2. Carlos Delgado (Angels 3x10)
3. Tino Martinez (retire)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Astros 2X6)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY 1x3)
3. Tony Womack (St. Louis 2X3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (St. Louis - 4x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs 3x11)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers 4x9)
2. Troy Glaus (Mariners 2x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (Marlins 2x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston 3X6)
2. Damian Miller (A's 2x3)
3. Mike Matheny (St. Louis 2X2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 3x9)
2. J.D. Drew (Rockies 3x6)
3. Magglio Ordonez (White Sox 1x6)
4. Steve Finley (Padres 2X5)
5. Moises Alou (Cubs 1x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Mets 4x6)
7. Jermaine Dye (Royals 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Astros 2x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (retire)

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#26084) #

1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 3x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (Angels 3x10)

There's something very odd of the looks of that.

Craig B - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#26085) #

Barnett responded by saying that he felt Hinske was the only player that he was disappointed in last season

I know Barney isn't going to be comfortable calling people out, but this is a disturbing thing to hear. If Hinske had hit .280/.350/.500, and the Jays had still been last in park-adjusted offensive production (but not quite so far in last), he'd have been jim-dandy?

He was fine with Catalanotto producing a .390 slugging and one home run? Woodward's poor performance didn't faze him? Reed Johnson?

To say nothing of Cash, or even Rios.

_Jays1fan1 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#26086) #

He acknowledged Rio's lack of home run production, but he said he is not worried about him, that the power will come. He said that Rio's is showing all the right signs that he will become a great hitter in this league, reminds him a lot of Magglio Ordonez and Don Mattingly when they first came up.

I personally was surpirsed that the pitching coach was let go, but Barnett kept his job.

_DGriebeling - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#26087) #

Being bored in Database Management class, I went to my old stomping ground of bluejays.ca Fan Forum (I read, but never posted).... boy am I glad I stumbled upon DaBox. I breathe a sigh of relief, knowing we are not creating "Post 20,000 messages to convince upper management that we should contend" threads.

Thanks guys.

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#26088) #

http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/00002254.shtml
Well, no one's perfect.... COMN

Dave Till - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#26089) #

I didn't put a lot of time into this.

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (retire if Astros win WS; otherwise, 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (Yankees: 4x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Baltimore: 3x10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Baltimore: 4x10)
2. Troy Percival (Anaheim: 3x8)
3. Jose Mesa (Tampa Bay: 2x6)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Arizona: 3x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (Baltimore: 4x13 - I hope I'm wrong)
3. Tino Martinez (Tampa Bay: 1x4)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (St.Louis: 3x9)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees: 1x2)
3. Tony Womack (Arizona: 1x3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (St.Louis: 4x10)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston: 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs: 4x12)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Baltimore: 4x14)
2. Troy Glaus (Anaheim: 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Colorado: 1x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston: 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (LA: 3x6)
3. Mike Matheny (StL: 2x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees: 4x17)
2. J.D. Drew (LA: 3x10)
3. Magglio Ordonez (White Sox: 3x10)
4. Steve Finley (Mets: 2x7)
5. Moises Alou (Tampa Bay: 2x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Washington: 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (San Fran: 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Mets: 3x7)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Milwaukee, non-roster invitee)

_Steve Birnie - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#26090) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (1x7, plus deferred payments)
2. Pedro Martinez (Boston: 4x14)
3. Carl Pavano (Yankees: 3x10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Cubs: 3x8)
2. Troy Percival (San Fran: 2x7)
3. Jose Mesa (White Sox: 2x5)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Seattle: 3x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (Toronto: 3x8 - Just blind hope)
3. Tino Martinez (Tampa Bay: 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Oakland: 2x7)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees: 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (Cubs: 2x4)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (St.Louis: 4x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston: 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Angels: 4x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers: 4x10)
2. Troy Glaus (Baltimore: 3x10)
3. Vinny Castilla (Colorado: 1x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston: 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (LA: 2x4)
3. Mike Matheny (StL: 2x4)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees: 6x14)
2. J.D. Drew (Mets: 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Boston: 4x11)
4. Steve Finley (Arizona: 2x5)
5. Moises Alou (Anaheim: 2x5)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (White Sox: 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (Atlanta: 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Philadelphia: 3x7)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Texas, non-roster invitee)

_Jobu - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#26091) #

Hey, wasn't someone supposed to win the thrid rate celebrity contest today?

_Marc - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#26092) #

According to BA's draft list, Toronto has also now signed Joe�Wice, lhp, Dixie State (Utah) CC from their 2004 draft.

_MK - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#26093) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (if Astros win WS, retire; if not, Astros 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (if Sox win WS, Boston 3x12; if not, Washington 4x10)
3. Carl Pavano (if Sox win WS, Yankees 4x9; if not, Red Sox 4x9)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Giants 3x6)
2. Troy Percival (Cubs 2x7)
3. Jose Mesa (Indians 1x5)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (DBacks 3x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (Blue Jays 4x9)
3. Tino Martinez (White Sox 1x3 - Konerko gets dealt)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Yankees 2x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees 1x2)
3. Tony Womack (Cardinals 1x3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Red Sox 5x9)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Cubs 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Angels 2x9)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers 4x9)
2. Troy Glaus (Braves 3x8 - Chipper goes back to LF)
3. Vinny Castilla (Rockies 1x5)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox 3x7)
2. Damian Miller (White Sox 1x3 - front office gets cold feet about Ben Davis' bat)
3. Mike Matheny (Cardinals 2x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees 6x13)
2. J.D. Drew (Angels 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Orioles 5x10)
4. Steve Finley (Padres 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (Giants 2x7)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Mets 3x6)
7. Jermaine Dye (A's 3x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (White Sox 2x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Royals 1x3, unless he retires)

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#26094) #

Everyone remains on the same team they were on when FA begins (yeah, I'm too lazy to project that, but I'll probably still get a lot right).

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens � 1x10
2. Pedro Martinez � 3x15
3. Carl Pavano � 4x11

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez � 2x8
2. Troy Percival � 1x3
3. Jose Mesa � 1x3

First base
1. Richie Sexson � 4x10
2. Carlos Delgado �3x10
3. Tino Martinez � 1x2

Second base
1. Jeff Kent � 1x5
2. Miguel Cairo �1x1
3. Tony Womack �1x1

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria � 5x8
2. Orlando Cabrera � 4x5
3. Nomar Garciaparra � 1x10

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre � 5x12
2. Troy Glaus � 4x10
3. Vinny Castilla � 1x3

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek � 4x8
2. Damian Miller � 1x1
3. Mike Matheny � 1x1

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran � 7x15
2. J.D. Drew � 3x8
3. Magglio Ordonez � 2x10
4. Steve Finley � 2x5
5. Moises Alou � 1x3
6. Jeromy Burnitz � 1x3
7. Jermaine Dye � 1x3
8. Richard Hidalgo � 3x5
9. Juan Gonzalez � 1x2

Craig B - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#26095) #

Hey, wasn't someone supposed to win the thrid rate celebrity contest today?

The winner (and also the winner of the random draw) is being determined later today!

_Jim - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#26096) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens - Retire
2. Pedro Martinez � New York (A) � 3 years x 10 MM
3. Carl Pavano � New York (A) � 5 years x 10 MM
Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez � Florida 1 year x 5 MM
2. Troy Percival � Detroit 2 years x 6 MM
3. Jose Mesa � Washington 1 years x 3 MM
First base
1. Richie Sexson � Arizona 3 years x 8 MM
2. Carlos Delgado � Washington 4 years x 10 MM
3. Tino Martinez - Retire
Second base
1. Jeff Kent � Houston 2 years x 9 MM
2. Miguel Cairo � New York (A) 2 years x 3 MM
3. Tony Womack � Baltimore 2 years x 4 MM
Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria � Anaheim 4 years x 8 MM
2. Orlando Cabrera � Boston 3 years x 6 MM
3. Nomar Garciaparra � Chicago (A) 4 years x 8 MM
Third base
1. Adrian Beltre � Los Angeles 5 years x 10 MM
2. Troy Glaus � Boston 3 years x 9 MM
3. Vinny Castilla � Colorado 2 years x 4 MM
Catcher
1. Jason Varitek = Boston 4 years x 8 MM
2. Damian Miller � Chicago (A) 3 years x 5 MM
3. Mike Matheny � New York (N) 2 years x 4 MM
Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran � New York (A) 6 years x 16 MM
2. J.D. Drew � Atlanta 4 years x 11 MM
3. Magglio Ordonez � New York (N) 3 years x 9 MM
4. Steve Finley � San Diego 1 year x 5 MM
5. Moises Alou � San Fran 2 years x 3 MM
6. Jeromy Burnitz � Colorado 1 year x 4 MM
7. Jermaine Dye � Anaheim 2 years x 4 MM
8. Richard Hidalgo � San Diego 3 years x 5 MM
9. Juan Gonzalez � Texas 1 year x 2 MM

_Ryan Lind - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#26097) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Hou 1x9)
2. Pedro Martinez (Bos 3x15)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY 5x12)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (ChC 2x7)
2. Troy Percival (NYM 3x7)
3. Jose Mesa (NYY 2x6)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (NYY 6x11)
2. Carlos Delgado (BAL 4x11)
3. Tino Martinez (Tor 1x5)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY 3x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (Col 3x3)
3. Tony Womack (StL 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (SF 3x5)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Sea 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (NYM 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Ana 2x8)
2. Troy Glaus (Atl 2x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Col 2x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Bos 5x5)
2. Damian Miller (LA 3x2)
3. Mike Matheny (St.L 2x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY 6x13)
2. J.D. Drew (ChW 5x7)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Hou 4x9)
4. Steve Finley (LA 1x5)
5. Moises Alou (Bos 1x7)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Oak 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (ChC 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Phi 3x8)
9. Juan Gonzalez (TBay 2x2)

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#26099) #

Here's a follow-up question to those who've answered. Carlos Beltran is the numero uno free agent according to most here. Most people have him in the $12-$18 million range for 3-5 years. Last year, the numero uno free agent Vladdy received $14 million for 4 years.

With that background, who is the more valuable player and why? Beltran plays a fine centerfield, stays healthy, has more speed and steals bases at a terrific rate. Vladdy is a more consistent and better hitter. In particular he does not uppercut as Beltran does, and so maintains a significantly higher batting average.

_Mylegacy - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#26100) #

Everyone (me included) says Beltran goes to the Evil Empire...SO what becomes of Bernie Williams? Is he a FA?

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#26101) #

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1706614
I think the difference between Beltran and Vlad is that Vlad had questions about his back last year after missing 50 games. Beltran's been pretty healthy his entire career.

(FWIW - Vlad's contract was also for 5 years $70 million, with a team option for a 6th year at $15 million - COMN)

_6-4-3 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#26102) #

Bernie has one more year at 12 million, followed by a 15 million dollar option / 3.5 million buyout. I think that the assumption is that the Yankees would take him as a sunk cost, or move him to DH.

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#26103) #

SO what becomes of Bernie Williams? Is he a FA?

He has at least one more year. He'd be the primary DH I assume (which was part of the plan signing Lofton this year).

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#26104) #

Cripes, I can't even remember the details of a contract signing from last year. Thanks, Pistol.

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#26105) #

"I thought the Yankees did well...given their financial constraints."
--Terry Mulholland, Twins pitcher, after losing to New York in four games (Minneapolis Star-Tribune)

Courtesy of BP's quotes of the week.

_MatO - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#26106) #

According to BA's draft list, Toronto has also now signed Joe Wice, lhp, Dixie State (Utah) CC from their 2004 draft.

The Alma Mater of Brandon Lyon.

Mike D - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#26107) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Houston, 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (Texas, 4x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Anaheim, 4x9)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Cubs, 2x10)
2. Troy Percival (Anaheim, 2x8)
3. Jose Mesa (Cleveland, 2x5)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Arizona, 2x11)
2. Carlos Delgado (Toronto, 4x10)
3. Tino Martinez (Yankees, 1x3)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Yankees, 2x10)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees, 1x2)
3. Tony Womack (St. Louis, 1x3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (St. Louis, 4x11)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston, 3x8)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs, 4x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Boston, 4x15)
2. Troy Glaus (Philadelphia, 2x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Colorado, 1x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston, 3x7)
2. Damian Miller (Los Angeles, 2x3)
3. Mike Matheny (St. Louis, 2x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Houston, 4x14)
2. J.D. Drew (St. Louis, 3x12)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Yankees, 3x11)
4. Steve Finley (Detroit, 2x7)
5. Moises Alou (Tampa Bay, 2x5)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Colorado, 1x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (Atlanta, 2x6)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Mets, 2x7)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Texas, 1x2)

_Mike Wilner - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#26108) #

This is a very interesting contest you guys have going on!

Just dropping in to say that there will be no BJADPPGS tonight. Instead, we're going to join the Yankees-Red Sox game in progress at 7:05 Eastern, and carry it to its conclusion, after which we will join the Cards-Astros game in progress.

Happy listening!

_Cristian - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#26109) #

All the Beltran to NY guesses are disheartening. Does anyone think any other team has a shot at him? Obviously, this postseason makes it hard for the Astros to not offer him anything. Any other teams stand a chance? Baltimore maybe?

Craig B - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#26110) #

Dixie State (Utah)

Dixie State is in Utah? Is Yankee State somewhere in Kansas? WTF?

Pistol - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#26111) #

All the Beltran to NY guesses are disheartening. Does anyone think any other team has a shot at him?

I don't think it matters. What the Yankees want the Yankees get. It's just a matter of how much the price gets driven up by other teams.

_Geoff North - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#26112) #

Here's hoping for at least a few points:

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Houston, 1x9)
2. Pedro Martinez (LA, 3x11)
3. Carl Pavano (Boston, 3x10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Florida, 2x5)
2. Troy Percival (Sanfranciso, 2x5)
3. Jose Mesa (Cleveland, 1x1)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (LA - 3x8)
2. Carlos Delgado (Toronto, 4x8)
3. Tino Martinez (NYAL, 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Boston, 2x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYAL, 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (St. Louis, 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (St. Louis, 4x9)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Boston, 2x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra(Anaheim, 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA, 5x11)
2. Troy Glaus (Toronto, 1x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Colorado, 2x6)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston, 3x6)
2. Damian Miller (Tampa Bay, 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (ChicagoNL, 1x1)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYAL, 5x15)
2. J.D. Drew (NYNL, 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Atlanta, 2x9)
4. Steve Finley (LA, 2x7)
5. Moises Alou (Sanfranciso, 2x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Baltimore, 3x8)
7. Jermaine Dye (Detroit, 2x6)
8. Richard Hidalgo (NYNL, 2x7)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Milwaukee, 1x4)

Craig B - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#26113) #

1. Roger Clemens (retired)
2. Pedro Martinez (ANA, 4x15)
3. Carl Pavano (DET, 4x9)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Mets, 3x8)
2. Troy Percival (ANA, 1x9)
3. Jose Mesa (TEX, 2x4)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (SEA, 5x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (ANA, 4x12)
3. Tino Martinez (TB, 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (BOS, 3x9)
2. Miguel Cairo (SEA, 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (STL, 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL, 4x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS, 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (LAD, 5x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LAD, 6x10)
2. Troy Glaus (TOR, 3x9)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL, 3x7)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS, 1x8)
2. Damian Miller (OAK, 2x2)
3. Mike Matheny (STL, 1x4)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (HOU, 4x15)
2. J.D. Drew (NYY, 4x10)
3. Magglio Ordonez (DET, 4x12)
4. Steve Finley (NYY, 2x7)
5. Moises Alou (ANA, 1x10)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL, 3x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (KC, 3x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (DET, 4x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (so very, very retired)

_Daryn - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#26114) #

252914 Posted 10/18/2004 09:32 AM by Marc:

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens, Houston (1 year, 10 million)
2. Pedro Martinez, New York AL (3 years, 11 million)
3. Carl Pavano, Texas (4 years, 12 million)

Marc, I'm just curious are you saying Pavano is good for 12Mil/year?

This is going to be ugly to tally up!..

_R Billie - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#26115) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x8)
2. Pedro Martinez (BOS: 4x11)
3. Carl Pavano (SEA: 3x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (BAL: 3x6)
2. Troy Percival (SEA: 3x6)
3. Jose Mesa (PIT: 1x2)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (BAL: 3x7)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR: 3x9)
3. Tino Martinez (TB: 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY: 3x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (ARI: 2x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x1)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 3x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (SEA: 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 5x12)
2. Troy Glaus (BAL: 3x6)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 2x3)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 4x8)
2. Damian Miller (OAK: 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (HOU: 6x12)
2. J.D. Drew (ATL: 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (SEA: 3x10)
4. Steve Finley (LA: 2x5)
5. Moises Alou (SEA: 3x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (OAK: 2x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (SF: 3x4)
9. Juan Gonzalez (TOR: 1x2)

_Rob - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#26116) #

What the Yankees want the Yankees get.

Like Randy Johnson?

_Marc - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#26117) #

Recent draft signee out of community college, Joe Wice is listed as 6'5" 220lbs and left handed. 15 walks, 87 strike outs and 58 hits in just over 84 innings.

Marc, I'm just curious are you saying Pavano is good for 12Mil/year?

Maybe it's a little high (one or two million), but Pavano is the best pitcher on the open market under the age of 30... and there wil no doubt either be a bidding war or someone will come along at the beginning and blow him out of the water. Hence my guess. Do I think he deserves it? No. Would I give it to him? No. Will someone? I think so.

I am shocked that so many people think Sexson will get less money than Carlos.

_DGriebeling - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#26118) #

I see a lot of Troy Glaus going to Toronto guesses.... tell me there are others in the "I like Troy, but don't want him to be in a Jays uni next year" crowd? I feel he's an injury risk. Hinske put up crummy numbers last year, but he was one of 2 Blue Jay opening day position players to be untouched by the injury bug.

Would you rather Hinske play 150 games at 3B, with Mennechino or Gomez filling in, or 80-100 by Glaus, and the rest filled in with Mennechino and Gomez?

Put me in the Hinske camp.

_Four Seamer - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#26119) #

Interesting that at least a few of the predictions have Jose Mesa returning to Cleveland. Speaking as a fan with Tribe sympathies who has neither forgiven nor forgotten Mesa's starring role in Game 7 of the 1997 World Series, I would be seriously surprised if he returned as a free agent. The gorge is rising in my throat just thinking of it...

_Perr Deco - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#26120) #

I would rather Frank Mennechino be the starting third baseman than Hinske. Unfortunately it's gotten to that point.

That being said, I don't think Troy Glaus meets the risk vs. reward requirement of a small budget team.

_Jeff Geauvreau - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#26121) #

I just got in and I saw this interesting contest going on. I am glad we have economics Prof to figure this all out.

I call out Mike Wilner to post his guesses !!!

I will be posting mine shortly and any of you great readers that don't post much or not at all. Just jump in and try to claim the battersbox grand prize.

What is the prize for this anyway ? How about a signed J.P. hat or sweater for being a a virtual G.M. guru. I will kick in some bucks for the prize.

Jeff

_Thomas M - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#26122) #

Hardest contest I ever took part in:
Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Hou 1x9)
2. Pedro Martinez (ANA 3x13)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY 4x12)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (CHC 4x9)
2. Troy Percival (SF 2x5)
3. Jose Mesa (ANA 1x2)

First base
1. Richie Sexson ( BAL 3x 11)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR 3x9)
3. Tino Martinez ret

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (DET 2x6)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY 2x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL 4x7)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (CHC 4x9) Cabrera ahead of Nomah?

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA 4x12)If I get Cashman's job it would be NYY 4x12)
2. Troy Glaus ( SEA 2x6)
3. Vinny Castilla ( COL 1x3)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS 4x8)
2. Damian Miller (OAK 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (STL 1x1)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY 5x15)
2. J.D. Drew (BOS 4x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (BAL 4x10)
4. Steve Finley (SD 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (SF 2x6) maybe less b/c of father discount
6. Jeromy Burnitz (PHI 3x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (OAK 2x3) to make up
8. Richard Hidalgo (CHW 3x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (TEX 1x3)

_Jays1fan1 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#26123) #

Wilner made some pretty bad picks for who would win the divisions this year. Something like:

Cubs
Philly
San Diego
Seattle
Boston
Royals

Not to mention his Blue Jay prediction or his continued faith that Boston WILL win the World Series. So I have faith that even if he posted his predictions, he wouldn't be taking home the prize :)

_Chris - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#26124) #

Hypothetical question: How much money has Carlos Beltran made since the post-season began? I.E. What would be the difference between the contract he is now going to get and the one he would have gotten if the Astros had not made the playoffs?

I'm guestimating 15-20 million.

Craig B - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#26125) #

It is verboten for those who do not make predictions, to call out those who do on their choices.

So mote it be.

_Jeff Geauvreau - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#26126) #

Peter you are really calling out Wilner !!

"Wilner made some pretty bad picks for who would win the divisions this year."

"Not to mention his Blue Jay prediction or his continued faith that Boston WILL win the World Series. So I have faith that even if he posted his predictions, he wouldn't be taking home the prize :)"

ouch !!

_Jeff Geauvreau - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#26127) #

Yes Craig , I will be posting shortly.

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#26128) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (BOS: 4x11)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY: 4x10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (TOR: 2x6)
2. Troy Percival (SEA: 3x4)
3. Jose Mesa (PIT: 1x2)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (BAL: 3x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR: 3x9)
3. Tino Martinez (TB: 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (HOU: 2x9)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY: 2x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x1)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 3x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (CHC: 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 5x12)
2. Troy Glaus (BAL: 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 2x3)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 4x8)
2. Damian Miller (OAK: 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY: 6x15)
2. J.D. Drew (ATL: 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (LA: 3x10)
4. Steve Finley (NYY: 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (SEA: 3x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (OAK: 2x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (SF: 2x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (RETIRED)

_Jays1fan1 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#26129) #

Yes, I am calling out Wilner!!!

Alright, here are my predictions:

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Texas: 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (Baltimore: 3x15)
3. Carl Pavano (Boston: 3x9)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Cubs: 3x8)
2. Troy Percival (Mets: 2x7)
3. Jose Mesa (Pittsburg: 1x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Arizona: 3x7)
2. Carlos Delgado (Baltimore: 3x10)
3. Tino Martinez (Tampa Bay: 1x4)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Cubs: 2x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees: 2x1.5)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x1)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Boston: 4x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Seattle: 3x7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs: 3x12)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Los Angelas: 5x14)
2. Troy Glaus (Baltimore: 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Colorado: 2x6)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Boston: 4x8)
2. Damian Miller (Cubs: 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (St Louis: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees: 6x15)
2. J.D. Drew (Los Angelas: 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Mets: 3x12)
4. Steve Finley (San Diego: 2x4)
5. Moises Alou (Arizona: 2x7)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Colorado: 2x6)
7. Jermaine Dye (Seattle: 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Mets: 2x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Anahieme: 1x1)

_Eric - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#26131) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Astros: 1x8)
2. Pedro Martinez (Angels: 3x14)
3. Carl Pavano (Orioles: 4x10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Cubs: 3x6)
2. Troy Percival (ChiSox: 2x6)
3. Jose Mesa (Tigers: 1x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (Diamondbacks: 4x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (Blue Jays: 3x8)
3. Tino Martinez (Devil Rays: 1x4)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (Phillies: 2x7)
2. Miguel Cairo (Yankees: 1x2)
3. Tony Womack (Cardinals: 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (Cubs: 4x9)
2. Orlando Cabrera (Red Sox: 3x7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (ChiSox: 4x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (Dodgers: 5x12)
2. Troy Glaus (Giants: 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (Expos: 2x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (Red Sox: 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (Dodgers: 2x3)
3. Mike Matheny (Brewers: 2x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yankees: 6x16)
2. J.D. Drew (Braves: 4x10)
3. Magglio Ordonez (Cubs: 3x10)
4. Steve Finley (Padres: 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (D'Backs: 2x4)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (Rockies: 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (Mets: 2x6)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Orioles: 3x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Retired)

_Magpie - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#26132) #

Well, I copied Mike Green's post so I'd have a template to start from. And then I found myself changing things just so I wouldn't be copying? Even if I thought he was as right as anyone can be? Aw, crap.

Like I care where Juan Gonzalez plays next year...

Scott Boras, by the way, has apparently said that the bidding on Beltran starts at $20 million a year.
Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (BOS: 3x10)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY: 4x9)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (SEA: 2x7)
2. Troy Percival (SFG: 3x5)
3. Jose Mesa (PIT: 1x2)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (ARI: 3x8)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR: 3x10)
3. Tino Martinez (TB: 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (HOU: 3x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY: 2x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 3x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (CHC: 3x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (BOS: 5x13)
2. Troy Glaus (BAL: 3x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 2x2)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 4x8)
2. Damian Miller (OAK: 2x4)
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY: 6x15)
2. J.D. Drew (ATL: 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (NYM: 3x10)
4. Steve Finley (LA: 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (SEA: 3x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (SF: 2x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (ARI: 3x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (MIL : 1x2)

_Nolan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#26133) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Hou: 1x8)
2. Pedro Martinez (Sea: 3x13)
3. Carl Pavano (Flor: 5x11)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Cle: 2x4)
2. Troy Percival (Ana: 1x4)
3. Jose Mesa (Bos: 2x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (BAL: 4x10)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR: 3x8) *crosses fingers*
3. Tino Martinez (SAN: 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (HOU. picks up option)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY: 2x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 2x3)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (BOS: 3x8)
2. Orlando Cabrera (ANA: 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (ATL: 4x9)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 6x11)
2. Troy Glaus (NYY: 4x9)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 1x5)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 3x7)
2. Damian Miller (STL: 3x4)
3. Mike Matheny (CHC: 1x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (CHC: 7x14)
2. J.D. Drew (SEA: 5x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (DET: 1x7)
4. Steve Finley (ARZ: 2x5)
5. Moises Alou (WAS: 2x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 2x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (TOR: 1x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (NYM: 2x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (MINN: 1x3)

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:08 PM EDT (#26134) #

Well, I copied Mike Green's post so I'd have a template to start from

Re-use is encouraged in the City of Toronto. Less mess, less smell. Anyways, I re-used R. Billie's template.

Scott Boras, by the way, has apparently said that the bidding on Beltran starts at $20 million a year

Tonight we're going to party like it's 1999. And what precisely does he intend to do if no one goes higher than 12?

_Magpie - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#26135) #

Oh, look. Game on.

Hint, hint.

Named For Hank - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#26136) #

Tonight we're going to party like it's 1999. And what precisely does he intend to do if no one goes higher than 12?

Carlos Beltran (Scott Boras' backyard 1x20)

_Nolan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#26137) #

1-0 Sox courtesy of Mr. Ortiz

_David A - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#26138) #

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (Retires)
2. Pedro Martinez (Ana 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (Det 4x11)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Fla: 3x4)
2. Troy Percival (NYY 1x5, Rivera retires after they win the series)
3. Jose Mesa (Pit, 1x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (BAL: 5x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (LA, 4x12)
3. Tino Martinez (retires)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY, 3x6)
2. Miguel Cairo (retires/unsigned)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (ANA, 4x10)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 2x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (CHC: 3x9)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (DET, 6x12)
2. Troy Glaus (CHW, 3x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (Retires)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS, 3x5)
2. Damian Miller (ARI, 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (MIN, 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (ANA, 7x14)
2. J.D. Drew (NYM, 3x6)
3. Magglio Ordonez (CLE, 4x9)
4. Steve Finley (LA, 2x6)
5. Moises Alou (CHC, 2x5)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL, 1x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (SEA, 3x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (FLA, 2x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (TEX, 1x1 - if he doesn't retire)

_Nolan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#26139) #

BTW, does anyone know who the Fox announcers are? I'm watching on the internet (MLB TV) and they have not mentioned their names yet; I don't watch a lot of games other than the Jays, so I'm a bit uninformed. thx

_Nolan - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#26140) #

Intresting- in Mel's visit to the mound neither he nor Mussina covered their mouths....which is weird cuz they always seem to do that during the regular season

_6-4-3 - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#26141) #

For the ALCS, Fox is using Joe Buck, Tim McCarver, and Al Leiter.

_Jeff Geauvreau - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#26142) #

Here are my picks , this was fun and thought provoking.

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x7)
2. Pedro Martinez (Yanks: 4x12)George will laugh at Boston
3. Carl Pavano (Bos 3x8)
Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (Braves: 1x6)
2. Troy Percival (Red Sox: 3x6)
3. Jose Mesa (Indians: 1x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (BAL: 3x7)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR: 4x9) Yes I am delusional
3. Tino Martinez ( retired )

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY: 2x6)
2. Miguel Cairo (Red Sox 1x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x4)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 3x6)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (Cubs: 4x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 5x10)
2. Troy Glaus (BAL: 2x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 1x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 4x8)
2. Damian Miller (Jays: 1x2) hmmm
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (Yanks: 5x12) George wants him
2. J.D. Drew (ATL: 3x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (SEA: 3x9)
4. Steve Finley (LA: 2x4)
5. Moises Alou (Ari: 1x4)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (OAK: 2x4)
8. Richard Hidalgo (Houston: 3x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (TOR: 1x2) Some power at DH please

_Moffatt - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#26143) #

I'll end this contest at midnight tonight. So make sure to have your picks in by then.

A complete list will be posted tomorrow.

Mike Green - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#26144) #

Carlos Beltran (Scott Boras' backyard 1x20)

Good one, NFH. For 20 mil, Carlos and his crew should be able to erect a 25,000 seat stadium in Scott's backyard, so the Boras Boreuses have a home when the next lockout rolls around.

_Brian W - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#26145) #

When in doubt, either go with the status quo or with the Yankees.

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x7)
2. Pedro Martinez (BOS: 2x13)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY: 2x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (CHC: 2x6)
2. Troy Percival (BOS: 3x7)
3. Jose Mesa (TOR: 1x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (SF: 3x7)
2. Carlos Delgado (LA: 3x10)
3. Tino Martinez ( retired )

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (NYY: 2x7)
2. Miguel Cairo (ARI: 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x4)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 3x6)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x6)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (CHC: 3x9)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 4x12)
2. Troy Glaus (ANA: 2x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 1x4)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (OAK: 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY: 5x17)
2. J.D. Drew (ATL: 3x10)
3. Magglio Ordonez (CHW: 3x9)
4. Steve Finley (LA: 1x4)
5. Moises Alou (SF: 2x4)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (COL: 2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (BAL: 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (MIL: 2x4)
9. Juan Gonzalez (Retired)

_perlhack - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#26146) #

Well, here goes nothing...

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 2x8)
2. Pedro Martinez (ANA: 3x13)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY: 4x8)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (TOR: 3x4)
2. Troy Percival (BAL: 3x5)
3. Jose Mesa (TB: 1x3)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (SEA: 3x9)
2. Carlos Delgado (TOR: 4x9 + a whole whack of deferred payments)
3. Tino Martinez (BAL: 1x2)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (OAK: 2x8)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY: 1x2)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 5x10)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x5)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (CHC: 4x10)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 5x11)
2. Troy Glaus (BOS: 2x7)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL: 1x2)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 3x7)
2. Damian Miller (OAK: 2x4)
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x2)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYM: 7x14)
2. J.D. Drew (NYY: 3x8)
3. Magglio Ordonez (ATL: 4x9)
4. Steve Finley (SFG: 2x5)
5. Moises Alou (LA: 3x6)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (CHC: 2x4)
7. Jermaine Dye (BAL: 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (SEA: 2x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (MON/WAS: 1x3)

Named For Hank - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#26147) #

Good one, NFH. For 20 mil, Carlos and his crew should be able to erect a 25,000 seat stadium in Scott's backyard, so the Boras Boreuses have a home when the next lockout rolls around.

And out of the goodness of his heart he'll let us watch the games for free, right?

_Chris H - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#26148) #

Enjoy.

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens (HOU: 1x10)
2. Pedro Martinez (ANA: 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY: 5x12)
Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (FLA: 2x4)
2. Troy Percival (SF: 2x5)
3. Jose Mesa (PIT: 1x1)
First base
1. Richie Sexson (SEA: 5x12)
2. Carlos Delgado (BAL: 5x12)
3. Tino Martinez (TB: 1x1)
Second base
1. Jeff Kent (CHC: 2x7)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY: 1x1)
3. Tony Womack (STL: 1x1)
Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL: 5x12)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS: 3x8)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (ANA: 5x12)
Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LA: 5x12)
2. Troy Glaus (SEA: 3x9)
3. Vinny Castilla (PIT: 1x1)
Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS: 3x8)
2. Damian Miller (MIL: 3x5)
3. Mike Matheny (STL: 1x1)
Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (HOU: 5x15)
2. J.D. Drew (ATL: 5x11)
3. Magglio Ordonez (NYM: 5x13)
4. Steve Finley (ARZ: 1x5)
5. Moises Alou (SFG: 3x5)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (STL: 2x3)
7. Jermaine Dye (SEA: 2x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (ANA: 3x6)
9. Juan Gonzalez (TOR: 1x2)

Thomas - Monday, October 18 2004 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#26149) #

Mine are coming shortly, playoff baseball got in the way.

Thomas - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#26150) #

1. Roger Clemens (Hou 1x5, if they win the WS, he retires)
2. Pedro Martinez (BOS, 3x12)
3. Carl Pavano (NYY, 5x10)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez (NYM, 3x7)
2. Troy Percival (SF, 2x5)
3. Jose Mesa (PIT, 2x2)

First base
1. Richie Sexson (SEA, 4x11)
2. Carlos Delgado (BAL, 5x12)
3. Tino Martinez (TB, 1x1)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent (HOU, 3x9)
2. Miguel Cairo (NYY, 2x1)
3. Tony Womack (STL, 2x2)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria (STL, 4x7)
2. Orlando Cabrera (BOS, 3x7)
3. Nomar Garciaparra (ANA, 4x9)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre (LAD, 6x11)
2. Troy Glaus (TOR, 3x8)
3. Vinny Castilla (COL, 2x5)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek (BOS, 3x6)
2. Damian Miller (OAK, 1x2)
3. Mike Matheny (STL, 1x3)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran (NYY, 5x17)
2. J.D. Drew (ATL, 4x9)
3. Magglio Ordonez (HOU, 4x11)
4. Steve Finley (SD, 2x7)
5. Moises Alou (ANA, 1x10)
6. Jeromy Burnitz (LA, 3x5)
7. Jermaine Dye (NYM, 3x5)
8. Richard Hidalgo (DET, 5x5)
9. Juan Gonzalez (WAS, 1x2)

Craig B - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#26151) #

That being said, I don't think Troy Glaus meets the risk vs. reward requirement of a small budget team.

He *exactly* meets that requirement.

Small budget teams need to take MORE risk than large budget teams. Not less.

_Peter - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 03:05 AM EDT (#26152) #

Well here is my guess

Starting pitcher
1. Roger Clemens Hou (1year 8MM)
2. Pedro Martinez LA (3years 24MM)
3. Carl Pavano NYY (4year 28MM)

Relief pitcher
1. Armando Benitez Cubs (2years 10MM)
2. Troy Percival White Sox (3years 12MM)
3. Jose Mesa Pirates (1 year 3MM)

First base
1. Richie Sexson AZ (3year 18MM)
2. Carlos Delgado TOR (3years 24MM) (hope!)
3. Tino Martinez LA (1year 4MM)

Second base
1. Jeff Kent Angels (2years 10MM)
2. Miguel Cairo NYY (1year 2MM)
3. Tony Womack STL (2years 6MM)

Shortstop
1. Edgar Renteria STL (4years 28MM)
2. Orlando Cabrera Bos (4years 20MM)
3. Nomar Garciaparra Anh (3years 30MM)

Third base
1. Adrian Beltre LA (5years 40MM)
2. Troy Glaus Phi (3years 18MM)
3. Vinny Castilla Col (2years 10MM)

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek Bos (4years 24MM)
2. Damian Miller Oak (2years 6MM)
3. Mike Matheny Stl (2years 6MM)

Outfield
1. Carlos Beltran NYY (5years 90MM)
2. J.D. Drew Atl (4years 36MM)
3. Magglio Ordonez Bal (3years 27MM)
4. Steve Finley LA (2years 12MM)
5. Moises Alou Cubs (3years 24MM
6. Jeromy Burnitz Col (3years 15MM)
7. Jermaine Dye SF (3years 15MM)
8. Richard Hidalgo NYM (3years 12MM)
9. Juan Gonzalez TB (1year 5 MM)

Note: What about Morris?

_Jeff Geauvreau - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 03:40 AM EDT (#26153) #

http://www.topprospectalert.com/azfall/041017.html
Top Prospects Arizona Fall League Report on Jays prospect Vito C.

Leading the slugfests:

COMN for story.

It took me the first week just to learn how to spell his last name and the season's second week to figure out how to pronounce it. But no matter what you call him, be sure to identify Vito Chiaravalloti (Blue Jays - 1B) as a hitter on the rise. The Blue Jay switch-hitter went 4-4 with a pair of long homers in one game this week; he's batting .524/.583/1.000 ...

_Virginia - Tuesday, October 19 2004 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#26154) #

http://www.unofficialvirginia.com
Wow. That's quite a contest. I *like* a website that's totally out of hand!

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