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In his current mailbag, the nonpareil Spencer Fordin takes the following question from "John G." in Windsor:

With Woody gone, Russ Adams still adapting and Gomez not the guy we need to start at shortstop, what's going to happen next year for the Jays?

Question of the Day: How do you think Spencer answered John G.? Challenge yourself and write out your answer before going to the mailbag to read his. Now, if different, how should Fordin have answered the question?
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_mathesond - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 10:15 AM EST (#16372) #
http://www.mathesond.mindsay.com
I'm sure he wanted to mention Neifi Perez, but those rascally Cubs got in early and put an end to that pipe dream.
_Paul D - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 10:16 AM EST (#16373) #
John G, did you tune out the games after July?
If so, let me recap:
Russ Adams was kicking ass and taking names. He'll be the everyday shortstop next year. Gomez might come back as a backup.
_G.T. - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 10:25 AM EST (#16374) #
How do you think Spencer answered John G.?

Like this, perhaps?

"You think I just want another puzzle to solve? Another John G. to look for? You're John G. So you can be my John G... Will I lie to myself to be happy? In your case Teddy... yes I will."
_Christopher - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 10:32 AM EST (#16375) #
"You think I just want another puzzle to solve? Another John G. to look for? You're John G. So you can be my John G... Will I lie to myself to be happy? In your case Teddy... yes I will."

Nice.
Mike D - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 10:55 AM EST (#16376) #
Lenny!!!
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:03 AM EST (#16377) #
I hope the Jays sign George Costanza to fill their new vacancy
_Cory - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:05 AM EST (#16378) #
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.asp?sport=MLB&column=14
See the latest from Rotoworld?

Toronto Blue Jays



Projected Lineup
LF Frank Catalanotto/Reed Johnson
RF Alexis Rios

DH Erubiel Durazo
CF Vernon Wells

3B Corey Koskie
1B Xavier Nady
SS Russ Adams
2B Orlando Hudson
C Gregg Zaun



Projected Rotation
RHP Roy Halladay
LHP Ted Lilly

RHP Tony Armas Jr.
RHP David Bush
RHP Josh Towers/LHP Gustavo Chacin



Projected Bullpen
RHP Miguel Batista
RHP Justin Speier
RHP Kerry Ligtenberg
RHP Brandon League



COMN for full article.

*Bunch of horse manure if I've ever seen one...
_Pumper 4/05 - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:08 AM EST (#16379) #
No roundup today? Lots of Jays news out there.

Here's one on the Jays interest in Corey Koskie

www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2004/11/09/706615.html

Another on the Jays vs. Orioles for Carlos

www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2004/11/09/706617.html

Also, check out Sportsnet for Scott Carsons latest column, and

prosportsdaily.com for another on the Orioles and Delgado.

They quote Jim Beattie, (I believe) saying that they think they can

aquire a first basemen through the trade route.

Also, Sexson has reportedly all but signed with Seattle.

I'm beginning to think that the Orioles interest in Delgado might not

as great as we had originally thought.
_Pumped 4/05 - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:10 AM EST (#16380) #
Sorry, I don't know how to do the old COMN, and apparently I have major trouble distinguishing d's from r's.
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:13 AM EST (#16381) #
The rotoworld article is just one persons guess, there should be little stock put into it's suggestion. That being said, I would prefer (Koskie, Durazo, Nady) over (Delgado, Hinkse, R Johnson).

Also I would love to see Tony Armas Jr. get a chance with the Jays.
_MatO - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:14 AM EST (#16382) #
Pumped 4/05. To do COMN simply paste the website into Homepage box in the Add Your Comment section.
_Jonny German - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:31 AM EST (#16383) #
Cory, I edited the article out of your comment. Please respect original material and do not quote excessively.
_Cory - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:32 AM EST (#16384) #
Sorry bud.
_Pumped 4/05 - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:46 AM EST (#16385) #
Here's the quote from Jim Beattie, taken from the Baltimore Sun, in an article by Roch Kubatko.

"We may have a way to get a pitcher or a first baseman or an outfielder that we like by way of trade that would work better for us than going out and trying to get a free agent," Beattie said.

Interesting article; seems that a power outfielder is more of a priority than a first baseman.

I think that it is becoming more and more likely that Delgado will be back next year.

MatO: How do I change to italics to indicate quotes?
Joe - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 11:48 AM EST (#16386) #
http://me.woot.net
Pumped 4/05,

Many of your HTML questions are answered in the FAQ.
_dp - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 12:42 PM EST (#16387) #
I think that it is becoming more and more likely that Delgado will be back next year.

The Mets will want him, but I think only after missing out on Beltran. I can't see Delgado actually wanting to play in NYC after being so loved in Toronto, but the Mets can offer more cash. Delgado has to know that Shea's a hellhole and a horrid place to hit, and I'd think that alone is worth a pretty significant markup.
_BguyRed - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 12:49 PM EST (#16388) #
If the Orioles are interested in a power hitting outfielder or firstbasemen then what happens to former Jays farm hand Jay Gibbons? I know he was injured and didn't play well and I have no idea what his contract status is but is he someone who could be on the Jays radar screen?
_Mick - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 01:18 PM EST (#16389) #
I have nothing to back this up, but having not yet answered my own question posted today, I'd like to see the Jays sign Barry Larkin if they can get him for about $600K.

I know we don't put a lot of stock in "veteran leadership" here on Da Box, but a multi-All-Star former captain of a World Champion ... he's Derek Jeter Lite, or was 15 years ago, and didn't have the range problem defensively.

Larkin has played the OF and 3B in spring training recently and while primarily a SS has had a few innings at 2B. Sure, he'll be 40 in April, but at the right price, who's to say he couldn't have a few Tony Phillips-type years?
_Noah - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 01:34 PM EST (#16390) #
With all the talk of the white sox trying to move konerko im surprised that i haven't heard JP and the jays name being bounced around. He's definitly the power hitting first baseman that we would need to replace Delgado. Anybody have any idea what his contract status is?
_Jonny German - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 01:44 PM EST (#16391) #
I think Larkin would be a great fit for the Jays, and I'd love to see him sign for the standard $1M backup shortstop salary. But I don't think that's going to get it done, the name is too big for that salary and a backup tag.
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 01:47 PM EST (#16392) #
what happens to former Jays farm hand Jay Gibbons?

- It is believed there is a good chance Jay Gibbons will be non-tendered.

He's (Konerko) definitly the power hitting first baseman that we would need to replace Delgado. Anybody have any idea what his contract status is?

- Konerko doesn't have great K/BB ratio's and played in a hitters park, he is also due to receive $8.75 million next year.
_Braby - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 01:49 PM EST (#16393) #
What about the possibility going after Mientkiewicz? I would think that he would want to play everyday, and boston need pitching, what about him for Batista?
_Jonny German - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 01:54 PM EST (#16394) #
On second thought, I see that Larkin made just $700K last year (after $9M per from 2001 - 2003).
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:06 PM EST (#16395) #
Roger Clemens just won another Cy Young.
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:08 PM EST (#16396) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=1919256
COMN for the NL Cy Young link.
_dp - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:12 PM EST (#16397) #
I just can't see Johnson not getting it. I know the writers love W-L record, but it seems clear that Johnson was simply the better pitcher.

And I'm not just saying that because Clemens is a major prick.
_Brian B. - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:20 PM EST (#16398) #
I read that the White Sox are trying to trade Paul Konerko to the Diamondbacks for Randy Johnson.

I guess we'll see.
Mike Green - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:38 PM EST (#16399) #
I don't know if this qualifies as irony, but the biggest single difference between Johnson and Clemens this year was Johnson's superior control. Johnson walked half as many batters per game as Clemens.

At least Clemens was the second best pitcher in the league. The writers have sometimes tabbed the 3rd or 4th best. Fortunately, we now have the Internet Baseball Writers' Awards. Let's hope that they are published so that fans in 2030 will be able to look back at 2004 and know that the statistics do not lie- Johnson was the better pitcher by quite a bit.
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:39 PM EST (#16400) #
While Johnson truely deserved the award, I fully expected Clemens to win it. The voters have always considered W/L record to be the most important stat, despite it actually telling you the least about a pitchers season.
_Braby - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:49 PM EST (#16401) #
I wouldn't say it tells you the least about a pitcher's season. Isn't the point of playing Baseball to win? I'm sure there are some guys out there with good stuff, and with good numbers but they couldn't get that big out, where as another pitcher with worse numbers seems to get the big out when he needs it. There's a difference between an out w/ nobody on in the 3rd and 1 out, and a man on 3rd w/ nobody out in the 7th. Clemen's numbers were comparable to Johnson's, and Clemen's also lead his team to the playoffs while on the way winning more games.
_jsoh - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:51 PM EST (#16402) #
I wouldn't say it tells you the least about a pitcher's season. Isn't the point of playing Baseball to win?

Paging Joe Morgan. Joe Morgan, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:53 PM EST (#16403) #
and Clemen's also lead his team to the playoffs while on the way winning more games.

Then they might as well give the Cy Young to the Killer B's. I don't think it's really fair to hold wins against Randy when he was lights out and had a AAAA team trying to put up points for him later.
_Braby - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 02:59 PM EST (#16404) #
I'm just trying to say that the WL record does NOT tell the LEAST about a pitcher's season.

Their number's aren't that off, they had to choose one, so why not choose the one who won the most and lead his team to the playoffs?
_Braby - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:00 PM EST (#16405) #
Then they might as well give the Cy Young to the Killer B's. I don't think it's really fair to hold wins against Randy when he was lights out and had a AAAA team trying to put up points for him later.

Is it fair to hold it against Roger b/c Randy was pitching with a AAAA (barely) team behind him?
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:00 PM EST (#16406) #
Damn you John G in Windsor! Give THRILLHOUSE! the respect he deserves. Damn casual fans listening to Bob McDB too much.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:02 PM EST (#16407) #
Is it fair to hold it against Roger b/c Randy was pitching with a AAAA (barely) team behind him?

Well yah if the point of the award is to reward it to the best pitcher and not the pitcher on the best team.
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:03 PM EST (#16408) #
Wins and loses are a team stat, however the award is supposed to go to the best pitcher for his individual performance.

Houston scored 0.8 more runs per game for Roger Clemens than Arizona did for Johnson, it had nothing to do with who could get the big out. Clemens won because he played for the better team. I disagree that Clemens and Johnson had comparable numbers, I believe Johnsonís were clearly superior.
_Caino - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:06 PM EST (#16409) #
If Johnson had the Astro's playing behind him, one can assume his win loss record would be as good, if not better as Clemens.
And liek wise, if clemens were on the D-Backs, one can assume his W/L record would be as good if not worse as Johnson's.

"There's a difference between an out w/ nobody on in the 3rd and 1 out, and a man on 3rd w/ nobody out in the 7th."

Ya but this case points more to E.R.A that wins. Being a stat that points directly to the ability of a pitcher to not give up runs, it is a purer reflection of perfornance. Where as wins/loss is a reflection of a pitchers ability to give up less runs than the other picther aswell as the ability of the hitters to out score the opposing hitters.
Therefore, while wins and losses obviously has a lot to do with the pitchers performance. It also has more to do with other variables variable beyond a pitchers pure perfornance, than does E.R.A.
Mike Green - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:08 PM EST (#16410) #
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/exp_wl_pitcher2004.html
OK. Let's take this slowly. The numbers are quite far apart. Johnson's ERA+ was 173; Clemens' was 145. Johnson pitched 30 more innings than Clemens. Johnson struck out 10.6/9 IP; Clemens 9.3. Johnson walked 1.6/9IP; Clemens 3.3.

The major reason for Clemens better W-L record was run support; Houston's offence was obviously markedly superior to Arizona's. COMN. Were Shawn Estes, Eric Milton or Chris Carpenter better or comparable pitchers to Johnson? Of course not.
_Caino - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:16 PM EST (#16411) #
"Damn you John G in Windsor! Give THRILLHOUSE! the respect he deserves. Damn casual fans listening to Bob McDB too much."

I was lsitening to Prime Time during my break last night and rather enjoyed the discusion they had about the Jays. Mainly the analisys of the Delgado situation. I think Cito gaston was their guest, thugh i was unimpressed by his insights.
Bob obviously isn't an authority in regards to the game of baseball, or any sports fro the matter. But he often does have good insights into the business side of sports (not always, often).

As a side note, I was listeniong to the Swirsky Show today. Is he not the most irritating guy on radio? Lucky my car ride ended immediatly after he made a refference to 'Sleepless in Seatle' for one reason or another.
I feel sorry for Barb DeJulio, or whoever it is, for having to force casual conversation with this guy before traffic updates.

As another side note; Jobu, where is the hockey rink on York Campus? We're having a staff hockey game sunday. National Sports Scarborough vs National Sports Waterloo.
Craig B - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:18 PM EST (#16412) #
I really don't see this award as being so bad. Clemens allowed fewer runs per nine innings than Randy or Ben Sheets, and he was a pretty competitive choice. Randy gets the better of the statistical analysis, especially when his 30 extra innings aer taken into account, but this one wasn't a blowout on the merits.
_DeMarco - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:19 PM EST (#16413) #
I think Cito gaston was their guest

Didn't Cito Gaston call Bob McCowan a racist? I am surprised he would be a guest on his show.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:21 PM EST (#16414) #
What the hell!? Why was National Sports Concord not invited!? That's where I work! Frig.... Now I'll call you every shift to ask for a inventory check just to piss you off.

You wanna look for the "Ice Gardens" which is a huge hockey complex on the west side of campus. It's right off of steels. I'd link you to a map but I'm on a school computer right now that wont let me open a new window. We had the beer club there, and we might have another "wild event" there that NFH and I are working on....but more on that later this week;)

Yorku.ca and click on maps for easy graphics.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:22 PM EST (#16415) #
steels = Steeles

sorry
_BCMike - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:34 PM EST (#16416) #
I am surprised he would be a guest on his show.

If this was yesterday's show it was Adam Rita, not Cito Gaston.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 03:35 PM EST (#16417) #
http://www.yorku.ca/yorkweb/maps/york2d/index.htm
As if my stats prof didn't have a low enough opinion of me already:

Writting my name as "Jobu" on my mid term and then asking for my paper back to "correct" my name

He must now officaly think I'm a nutbar, or at least an addict of some kind. I keep leaving class every ten minutes to check Da Box on the public computers in the hall....damn that class is boring.

Anyhoo, COMN for the colourful map. The Ice Gardens are number 1 on the map. Wow, some map maker really likes hockey. I also recommend you check out the sports bar upstairs called "The Blade" which was home of GTA Beer Club earlier.
Joe - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 04:03 PM EST (#16418) #
http://me.woot.net
For those who might have missed it, I present to you Jobu in all his name-forgetting glory.
_Caino - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 04:05 PM EST (#16419) #
"I am surprised he would be a guest on his show.

If this was yesterday's show it was Adam Rita, not Cito Gaston."

I was just guessing based on speech patterns...

Thanks Jobu. Ya, one of the guys at work organized it. I Think he has some buddies who work at Scarborough. Concord eh? Sorry to hear. Only kididng. How long have you wokred there for? I just started a month ago. Just part time while I'm at school. Big 60 was brutal! Luckily I didn't have any papers or exams due!
_Caino - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 04:20 PM EST (#16420) #
Question: What would it take to get Durazo off the A's. This is a guy with an OPs of over .900.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 05:11 PM EST (#16421) #
I'm highly amused that Joe managed to track down my name-error thread. I'm also amused by what the prof must now think of me.

Caino, I've been working part time there for almost a year now. Check out the schedule they gave me for Big 60
Thurs: 6pm - 1am
Fri: 12am - 8am
Sat: 6pm - 1am
Sun: 12pm - 8pm
Mon: Psych Mid-Term.

Yeah, I'm not the happiest camper in the world right now. And why you lucky folks were actually free of the burden of reading my posts of a weekend.
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 05:21 PM EST (#16422) #
Also of note, while reading the thread Joe tracked down I notice I made this entry

also of note was that I had the "welcome to the limit" song from Scarface in my head the entire time despite the fact I haven't seen the movie in months.

While this is still true, even with the mid-term I wrote yesterday, it turns out the song is actually called "Push it to the limi". My appologies to Paul Engemann
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 06:35 PM EST (#16423) #
Question: What would it take to get Durazo off the A's. This is a guy with an OPs of over .900.

Now if this was an episode of Too Many Molinas! JP could just be Beane's butler for a week and it'd be even.
_Caino - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 06:49 PM EST (#16424) #
"Thurs: 6pm - 1am
Fri: 12am - 8am
Sat: 6pm - 1am
Sun: 12pm - 8pm
Mon: Psych Mid-Term."

Ouch. Ya my Sched was never really that bad. Just alot of hours. Alot of standing. Alot of shoes. Alot of smelly, smelly feet.
_nate - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 07:04 PM EST (#16425) #
pads dealt terrence long today to the royals, which would lead me to believe that nady is staying put in so-cal -- not sure what to make of that roto-world list, but that would be a nice team indeed if it was even half true --
_Jobu - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 07:33 PM EST (#16426) #
A fellow soldier in the footwear army!? I feel your pain Caino.
Joe - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 07:51 PM EST (#16427) #
http://me.woot.net
I'm highly amused that Joe managed to track down my name-error thread.

It was dead easy. Scroll to the bottom of any Batter's Box page, and you'll see the Google search box. I just entered "Jobu midterm" and up you came.
_Vernons Biggest - Tuesday, November 09 2004 @ 08:38 PM EST (#16428) #
Does anybody notice that the media seems to be going through many stages involving the possible Delgado leaving situation. They went from bleakness, to optimism, to denial, and until yesterday, it was acceptance. This new news from Jim Beattie throws a complete different perspective on this, and i wish i could just fast forward to April 5th and see what we've got.
_Jobu - Wednesday, November 10 2004 @ 12:09 AM EST (#16429) #
Wow are the raptors getting KILLED. So much for the turn around.
_Jobu - Wednesday, November 10 2004 @ 02:14 AM EST (#16430) #
Just in case anyone is actually reading this at this hour, I think I've found some kind of loophole in ESPN NHL 2K5. In franchise mode, certain teams are willing to trade you their 1st round pick, for say your 2nd round pick. Then you move along and find other teams who will do that, trade some picks back to them, and before you know it you have 4 first round picks and 5 2nd round picks. Isn't cheating fun?
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