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Ted Lilly is winless this year, but he has a great chance to change that against the Devil Rays.

Dewon Brazelton is struggling with his control (15 BB/13 K)and has never fulfilled the promise that made him a 3rd overall pick in the 2001 draft. He only surrendered 2 runs over 6.1 innings in his last start to pick up his first win of the season, and he looks to build off that against the struggling Jays offence tonight.
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BCMike - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#113740) #
After listening to the Gibbons pre-game interview on the Fan, I have to say that the comparisons to Boomhauer from King of the Hill are bang on. If they ever make a live action King of the Hill...

Nice start for Lilly.
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:16 PM EDT (#113741) #
Please pardon my ignorance, I feel dumb even for having to ask this question, but when did the vest thing start? I noticed the last time the Jays played Tampa the pitcher wearing one, then when they played Texas, same thing. Now I see Julio Lugo wearing one. Is this a widespread phenomenon and if so when did it start? Personally I think they look ridiculous, but they must serve some function I suppose.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#113743) #
I know, yet another Koskie strikeout, but a better at bat and some props to Brazelton. There is just no way a hitter can be looking for a 3-2 changeup.
mathesond - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#113744) #
I know, yet another Koskie strikeout, but a better at bat and some props to Brazelton. There is just no way a hitter can be looking for a 3-2 changeup.

If Jerry Howarth is to be believed, Koskie struck out 3 times on changeups against Ponson the other day. I suspect he's going to be seeing a few more two-strike changes until he starts connecting on them.
Original Ryan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#113745) #
Please pardon my ignorance, I feel dumb even for having to ask this question, but when did the vest thing start? I noticed the last time the Jays played Tampa the pitcher wearing one, then when they played Texas, same thing.

Do you mean the sleeveless uniforms? They've been around for decades, but the most recent trend started with the Reds' home uniforms in 1993. Since then a number of teams have gone with them, including the Blue Jays for a couple of years as a home alternate (IIRC 1999 and 2000).

Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:43 PM EDT (#113746) #
I suspect he's going to be seeing a few more two-strike changes until he starts connecting on them.

No doubt. The difference is that Ponson got him twice on 0-2 pitches and once on a 1-2 pitch.

CeeBee - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#113747) #
Once again the Jays get screwed on an interference call, or lack of. It wouldn't have anything to do with being a non USA team or having a rookie manager, would it?
Joseph Krengel - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#113748) #
I can't believe that once again the Jays get the short end of the stick on a blown interference call. That's four times (arguably) this homestand. I don't think I saw four blown interference calls in the last three years!
Gitz - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#113749) #
Yes, I'm sure that was the first thing on the ump's mind: "Let's screw those nasty Canadians and their rookie manager." It was a bad call. They happen. Get over it.
robertdudek - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#113750) #
Okay, is Kulpa a moron, or is does the rule book suggest that that was not interference on the part of the runner? Does intent come into it?
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#113751) #
CeeBee, I agree on the lack of the call. But what in the world was Koskie thinking throwing that ball? He had no shot at throwing out Lugo and just cost the Jays a run that otherwise wouldn't have scored (although to the chagrin of my fantasy team, that's currently listed as an unearned run!?).
robertdudek - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#113752) #
It will be earned because of the walk to Huff (which would have forced Gomes home).
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#113753) #
Whoops, I meant EARNED run clearly.
Pistol - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#113754) #
Maybe he's not doing anything different, but Rios sure looked good on at AB lining it to left center. He actually pulled the ball which seems like a rarity.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#113755) #
Robert, thanks, you're right. But I hate that, cause Lilly never would have so clearly pitched around Huff with the bases loaded.
Gitz - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#113756) #
Because Lilly never would have so clearly pitched around Huff with the bases loaded.

Why would Lilly pitch around Huff, who hits left-handed, to face Perez, who mauls left-handers? I admit that when he fell behind 2-0, he had no intention of pitching to him, but I doubt that was his goal the whole time.

robertdudek - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#113757) #
Huff might have hit a bases-clearing double too. I don't like facing Huff in a situation like that even if I have the platoon advantage.

And the double plays continue to mount.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#113758) #
I expect TSN will be getting a call from the CRTC for that display of on field micing, when Gibbons came out to argue the call. You don't hear that kind of language on Showcase at midnight. I'm surprised Gibbons got away with that much and didn't get tossed, the ump must have known he blew the call.
robertdudek - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#113759) #
I don't understand why the other umpires didn't huddle to correct the call? That's happened so often in recent years, it would seem like a natural thing to ask the umpires to consult over such a critical play.
CeeBee - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#113760) #
Gitz, Ive been watching baseball for 40 years and I've seen more than a fair share of bad calls go against the Jays and the Expo's. Maybe it's a small market thing tho, eh?
Gerry - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#113761) #
1. Easier said than done but Koskie should have run into Gomes, rather than avoid the collision, then he would have got the call

2. Cat had a bad at bat when he hit into the DP. The count was 2-0 and instead of looking for a pitch in the middle of the plate, Cat swung at a ball around his ankles.

3. Brazleton was effective pitching inside to lefties in the first couple of innings, now his control is off and he hits a couple

4. That inside tailing changeup to lefties is a great pitch
Coach - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#113762) #
Last June, in a thread called Umpire Professionalism, I gave my opinion of "Mea" Kulpa, and was pleased when some newbie Bauxite named Magpie agreed.

A broken-bat 16-hopper and a dying quail makes Hillenbrand 2-for-2. However, Shea should have steamrolled Cantu on that last play -- fielders are apparently fair game tonight.

robertdudek - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#113763) #
One of the things I've noticed about several Jays is that they make poor decisions when ahead in the count 2-0. Cat and Wells are the main culprits, as they routinely go after pitches on the edge of or just off of the strikezone when up 2-0 in the count.

Nick - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#113765) #
Here is a not-so-great stat supporting the thought that the Jays don't have a very good approach at the plate right now:

In 2005 Dewon Bralezton has 9 K and 15 BB in 15 IP in his 3 non-Toronto games. He has 7 K and 1 BB in 11 IP in his 2 Toronto games (so far). I know, I know - small sample size. But the Jays seem lost at the plate, and the most disheartening part is their lack of success against mediocre pitchers. It's frustrating to watch.
Nick - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#113766) #
Oops, Brazelton, not Bralezton. I guess I should have proofread first.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#113767) #
I haven't noticed any change in approach with the new hitting coach. The Jays have worked themselves into some nice hitting counts as was mentioned, and continue to get themselves out. Adams and Cat did it there. Brazelton's face was saved by Rios just missing the fat part of the bat on that comebacker.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#113768) #
One of the things I've noticed about several Jays is that they make poor decisions when ahead in the count 2-0.

Which brings us back to the hitting coach. And I have a very clear impression that Barnett's strength and focus tended to be on the physical and techncial aspects of hitting - stance, balance, mechanics, hand position, weight shift.

I wonder if that might be more a more appropriate skill set for a minor league hitting instructor?

As I recollect, Larry Hisle tended to focus on what to expect from this pitcher and how the hitter had dealt with him before.

And Cito Gaston, when he was a batting coach, always talked - over and over - about going up to the plate with an idea of what you were going to do. Knowing what you know about the pitcher and the game situation, knowing what you can expect to see in this particular at bat - decide what you want to do. Decide which pitch you want to hit, look for it, wait for it, and knock the crap out of it. Until you get two strikes anyway.

Coach - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#113769) #
Robert, I agree that Wells has a tendency to take unneccessary 2-0 hacks; Vernon never seems to care about the count and rips at any pitch he thinks he can drive. Cat's usually more selective. I haven't seen many games lately, but if he's been swinging at pitcher's pitches while ahead in the count, that suggests he's pressing. I'm confident that they'll both get in a better groove soon, as will Koskie. When that happens, some folks will credit the new hitting coach, but it's really just the law of averages for three professional hitters.

Rally time. Right now.

Jim - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#113770) #
If you can watch the Yankee game, try to catch A-Rod's next at-bat. He's already got a 2 run jack, a 3 run shot and a grand slam - it's the 4th inning.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#113771) #
Wow, has that ever been done? The Cycle of HR's? Anyway, this is a huge time in this game. Last time up Zaun hit the first pitch into two outs. Jays need a clutch hit.
Mike Green - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#113772) #
Nobody has hit for a "homer cycle" yet. That would be something.
Coach - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#113773) #
Tabler on the IBB: "(Zaun) has gotta take this personally."

Nice throw, A-Gone! Easy 5-3 DP and he choked.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#113774) #
Yeah offense! Yeah Rios! He must have read that Blair article saying he had only this series to right himself. That was a badly needed break on the Gonzalez error, hopefully it will give the hitters some confidence that will continue in this game and beyond.
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#113775) #
Why is John MacDonald pinch hitting for Adams again?
Chuck - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#113776) #
Rally time. Right now.

So, can you just make these things happen? ;) The handle Coach may not be strong enough.

Nolan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#113778) #
So apparently, when the Jays released Myers, they picked up Howard Johnson to fill the empty roster spot :)

Hmmm, will the announcer correct his mistake? My bet is no...
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#113779) #
Ha! The Rays announcer just called Reed "Howard Johnson." Gibbons had to know the Rays would put in a righty to face Reed, so the question becomes did he prefer Reed v. Rob Bell or Cat v. Fossum. I suppose I'd agree with Reed due to the lower GIDP potential.
Coach - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#113780) #
No, Chuck, I can just sense things. It comes with watching thousands and thousands of ball games. :)

For sure, the breaks evened out to tie it up, but that was a clutch hit by by Rios to take advantage.

Gibby goes to his lefty-killers early, but that also puts better gloves at SS and LF to help protect the lead. Good call, even if Sparky has to face the righty.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#113781) #
Nobody has hit for a "homer cycle" yet. That would be something.

Not too many guys have 9 RBI by the 4th inning, either. Wow.

He did it all against Bartolo Colon, so I thought I'd look up A.Rod's career numbers against Colon. Pretty good, as it turns out. In 37 AB, he's hit .378 with 5 2B and 3 HR (.811 slugging.)

After tonight, he's hitting .425 against Bartolo, with 6 HR in 40 AB. And he's slugging 1.050.

Bartolo needs a new plan.

Coach - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#113782) #
Woo.

Hoo.

6-2.
Paul S - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#113783) #
I think that's the craziest hop you will see in this building now. Damn, the breaks are piling on.
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#113784) #
Man does this inning ever feel good after a five game losing streak. Booyah.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#113785) #
There's another bit of luck for the Jays. Hudson's chopper 2B reminded me exactly of Mora's 2B vs. Roy in the first inning of the game on Sunday. A break here and there feels pretty good.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#113786) #
The Jays came very close to scoring as many runs in that inning as they scored in three games against Baltimore.

On a Toonie Tuesday, too! Have they announced the crowd yet? Its usually around now.

Chuck - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#113787) #
No, Chuck, I can just sense things. It comes with watching thousands and thousands of ball games. :)

But obviously not many in the past week! I don't think too many shared your feelings that a rally was in the offing.

Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#113788) #
Elsewhere - the Pedro-Smoltz rematch is going the Braves way. Pedro struck out 8, but Johnny Estrada has a pair of doubles and 3 RBI. Smoltz has only struck out 2 this time, but he's ahead 4-1.
Blue in SK - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#113789) #
Just got home and started watching the game during the Jay's rally, and noticed the strike zone the home plate umpire has is just ridiculous!

I hope Lilly's been getting the same treatment as TB's pitchers.
daryn - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#113790) #
I hate giving runs back after a big inning.
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no one is chatting about Crash?? No one care???

I'm trying to figure it out, the Jays must have asked him to go down, so they must have wanted Huckaby to come up...

that just doesn't make much sense...
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#113791) #
Get ready all you little Chulkamaniacs. Vinnie to the rescue.
R Billie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#113792) #
What the heck was that pitch from Lilly? When you're facing a righthander with two strikes on him the worst pitch you can throw is a breaking ball down and in. If you miss to a hitter with power that's what happens. Just ask Joe Carter. Greg Zaun really calls some weird pitches at times. You have a GOOD changeup Ted. Freaking use it!
R Billie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#113793) #
On the plus side for Jonny Gomes, the Devil Rays finally remembered they had him in the organization.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#113794) #
Here comes A.Rod, but he can't go for the HR cycle. Two runners on base.
Original Ryan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#113795) #
With that home run, Jonny Gomes now has the highest career OPS of anyone named Gomes in major league history. The current standings:

            Career OPS
Jonny Gomes    .546
Wayne Gomes    .542
BCMike - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#113796) #

Just got home and started watching the game during the Jay's rally, and noticed the strike zone the home plate umpire has is just ridiculous!

Same here, I got home around the 5th and quickly noticed the gigantic strike zone. I like the high strike being called but some of the pitches on the outside corner were ridiculous.

On another note, after the bat-around inning why wasn't Chulk ready to go as soon as Lilly got into any trouble? That seemed like a long time for Lilly to wait between innings.

Pistol - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#113797) #
"Get ready all you little Chulkamaniacs. Vinnie to the rescue."

Looks like taking my vitamins and saying my prayers paid off.
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#113798) #
A-Rod up again in the Yankee game, Williams and Matsui on base, 1 out in the 6th.

Only a single this time. 10th RBI of the game and he still has one more at bat to go.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#113800) #
I'm not questioning the move, but I don't really understand the logic of letting Chulk face Huff and then pulling him for Schoeneweis when the light hitting Sanchez steps in.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#113801) #
Now that Green has pinch hit and singled on the first pitch and SS is done, I really don't like the move. If Schoeneweis is going to be used to get one hitter out in this line-up its got to be Huff that he goes after.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#113802) #
Schoeneweis acting as the ultimate LOOGY-actually LOPGY as he only threw one pitch. An inning break and two pitching changes around 1 pitch thrown. The game has slowed down a bit. Time for the Jays bullpen to step up.
Original Ryan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#113803) #
I hate it when a pitcher warms up to start the inning but is pulled before he faces a batter. It's a complete waste of time. Buck Martinez used to do this with some regularity in order to give more time to a pitcher warming up in the bullpen. It's not a bad idea since it's allowed, but it's annoying as hell for a fan to sit through.

In the case with Chulk here it's understandable why he was pulled -- a pinch hitter was announced after he had already warmed up. However, it would make more sense if a pinch hitter was announced before the pitcher had thrown his warm-up tosses to start an inning.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#113804) #
Rios has really stung a few balls tonight.
Mike D - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#113805) #
Poor Josh. He's a three-true-outcomes kind of guy, and with a hard-throwing righty like Frasor on the mound...the other two outcomes just left the building.
R Billie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#113806) #
Nice job by Frasor. He hung that curveball to Phelps big time belt high over the middle of the plate but lucky for him Phelps was so geared for a fastball he swung right through it and clubbed the umpire. He got away with one there.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#113807) #
we've got to take advantage of that one for some insurance.
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#113808) #
How can you not love Reed Johnson. Gets on base with a HBP, and then shows great hustle to go from first to third on an overthrow from the pitcher. And scores on the fly ball to left.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#113809) #
Solid work by verno.

Though he just missed that one.
Ryan C - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#113810) #
Just a note, A-Rod will be leading off the bottom of the 8th in the Yankee game. Since there is guaranteed to be no one on base, he'll have a chance to hit for the homerun cycle.
Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#113811) #
Matsui grounded out with two men on to end the 7th, which means Rodriguez will get his chance to go for the homer cycle, leading off the bottom of the 8th.

And Danny Kolb is this close to coughing one up at Shea. Two runs in, two men on, Floyd batting with two out, Mets now down 4-3. Cox pulls Kolb for John Foster.

Original Ryan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#113812) #
For anyone interested (and I'm probably the only one -- I doubt Mick would even care about this one), Jonny Gomes just dropped back behind former Phillies pitcher Wayne Gomes in career OPS.
BCMike - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#113813) #
6 runs in the 6th = small ball?

Ok Pat.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#113814) #
solid save for Miggy.

It's about time the breaks went our way in a game - and we took advantage of them.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#113815) #

In New York ARod just laced a ball to center for an out. Heck of a day at the plate.

Nice bullpen work by the Jays tonight. Good to see them pitch well in a tight situation. A much needed win.

Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#113816) #
Ryan, I'm guessing your last name is Gomes...
Original Ryan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#113817) #
Ryan, I'm guessing your last name is Gomes...

Surprisingly, no. When I saw Jonny Gomes in the game, former pitcher Wayne Gomes was the only other one I could think of. It turns out he was the only other one in major league history. For a reason that I cannot recall at the moment, I thought it would be interesting to compare their hitting stats.

Jdog - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#113819) #
Well if the Yahoo sports boxscores are correct, the SS loogy picked me up a H without recording an out.
Coach - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#113822) #
That was fun. Though he didn't exactly shine after that long sixth-inning breather, Lilly deserved the W and the bullpen did a fine job picking him up.

Losing two series in a row may have stirred up some 2004 deja vu for a few nervous Jays fans, but the players still believe in themselves, and obviously my confidence didn't waver when they were down only 2-0 in the sixth. One game under .500 through this tough early schedule is a lot better than many people predicted, and this club might just go on another roll when Vernon and Corey get locked in.

Man, that's an odd-looking box score from New York. Two digits in one player's RBI column? Simply A-mazing.

Magpie - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#113823) #
Well if the Yahoo sports boxscores are correct, the SS loogy picked me up a H without recording an out.

That's one of those cheap, Sports Ticker/USA Today holds. He wouldn't have gotten one using the original STATS definition. (Harumph!)

For those of you who are really, really interested, Rob Neyer runs down the History of the Hold, and some other frequently asked questions.

Of course, Danny Kolb would have picked one up either way for his wonderful work tonight - .2 IP, 5 H, 2 R.

Nick - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#113824) #
Ryan Gomes was a former All-American basketball player for Providence College.
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#113825) #
Yeah Nick, I was gonna post that earlier. I'm a big college basketball fan--especially the Big East, but I didn't feel like having 3 posts in a row.
Rob - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#113826) #
Even with the five runs surrendered tonight, I'm not worried about Lilly. He was coming out with a 6-2 lead, having to sit through that bat-around inning. He gave up a homer to Gomes, who had 26 in AAA last year, but still -- it was only his third start of the year, without any Spring Training.

My prediction is he'll be fine -- say, a Quality Start, Game Score over 55 -- on May 1 against the Yankees.
TorontoDan - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#113828) #
I wasn't at the game, but for those that were....how was the crowd? Yahoo says we had only 16.6 k, which is pretty bad for our first $2 promotion. Was it really that bad? I'll be at tomorrow's game, and hopefully people read the paper, see that we've won, and we can get up to at least 18.
uglyone - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#113829) #
Won't get much more than that for a midweek Rays game.
gv27 - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#113832) #
Decent turnout on the heels of a 5-game losing streak and Tampa Bay in town. Question: Since Schoeneweis only threw one pitch, does he still require a post-game shower?
VBF - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#113834) #
In 2003, $2 promotions brought 33,000. In 2004, $2 games brought 25,000. Today was 16,000 and it would have been less than 12,000 had it not been for the promotion.

According to an usher I spoke to today, tomorrow's crowd may unfortunately be the lowest paid crowd in SkyDome history. Sales are very low.

Don't worry though, it should be a one time thing only. Attendance is slow nearly everywhere with Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Oakland (!), and Tampa all having crowds under 11,000 at some point so far. Minnesota, Cleveland, Chicago (AL), and Detroit have been hard pressed to break 15,000 for a weekday and even some of the seemingest bigger markets like Seattle and Arizona have been struggling with attendance in the low 20s.

VBF - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#113835) #
And I should add that although the attendance was not great, the atmosphere is still improved over last year. The cowbell is the ultimate catalyst, although I got the impression Lilly didn't like it since he would sometimes wait till we stopped, then pitch. I'll have to ask him Thursday.
Arms Longfellow - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#113836) #
The need for someone to put Baltimore in their place is reaching critical mass.
Rob - Tuesday, April 26 2005 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#113838) #
It would be sweet if Baltimore got "put in their place" on May 2. Especially Brian Roberts, "the freshest name in nuts."

I will never stop laughing at that nuts thing, just so you all know.
TorontoDan - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#113842) #
Hey they're David Roberts' nuts! Brian just borrows them.
rtcaino - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 05:42 AM EDT (#113847) #
""And I should add that although the attendance was not great, the atmosphere is still improved over last year. The cowbell is the ultimate catalyst, although I got the impression Lilly didn't like it since he would sometimes wait till we stopped, then pitch. I'll have to ask him Thursday.""

VBF, I think I saw you at the game last night... We're you the guy with the cowbell in sect. 518? I was in Sect 524 or so. I should of said high. Worse comes to worse it was some other dude who likes the Blue Jays. Who else was at the game?

It was my first game of the year. Had a great time. Now that I'm home for the summer I can hopefully go to every single home game here on in.

I scored an awesome Blue Jays jacket for $4.50. And I got a Free T shirt and a free "Year of the Yao" headband. The headband is pretty ruthless. I'm defiantly wearing it non stop in Vegas for good luck.

BTW, My Dad's taking me to Vegas for my 21st, and it's my first time going. I'm staying at the Mirage. Has any body been that has any suggestions for things to do there? Good places to eat, or a good show to see, or (Iíll say it) the good places to play poker ? Not that it matters. With my new "lucky" jacket and headband I'll be unstoppable.

Thanks, and sorry to highjack.


VBF - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 07:37 AM EDT (#113848) #
Yea, that was likely us. Me, Useless Tyler Alex Obal and some of their friends. Interesting how far that sound can travel when the Dome's closed.
Pistol - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 09:19 AM EDT (#113852) #
"I'm staying at the Mirage. Has any body been that has any suggestions for things to do there? Good places to eat, or a good show to see, or (Iíll say it) the good places to play poker?"

My favorite buffet is the Spice Market buffet at Aladdin. Awesome food, great variety.

I've never been to the signature shows in Vegas, but the comedy is usually pretty good. There's an Improv place at Harrah's right across from where you'll be staying and at the south end of the strip you can usually find something good at Tropicana or Excalibur.

There's a lot of good Vegas websites for things to do & places to go. Just Google what you're interested in and you'll find more than enough suggestions.
GregH - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#113896) #
"Yea, that was likely us. Me, Useless Tyler Alex Obal and some of their friends. Interesting how far that sound can travel when the Dome's closed"

My family was at the game last night as part of a school trip - we were in sec. 239, right (and I mean right) behind the foul pole. We could hear the cowbell clearly and encouraged my sons' classmates to clap along with it.

BTW - I heard on Mike Wilner's JaysTalk on The Fan 590 on the way home that the fan that threw the second TB home run ball back on to the field was ejected from the game. Anyone know anything about this?
Ron - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#113899) #
Don't really know where else to put it but the Jays have signed Gibby to a 2 year extension.
VBF - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#113910) #
I heard on Mike Wilner's JaysTalk on The Fan 590 on the way home that the fan that threw the second TB home run ball back on to the field was ejected from the game. Anyone know anything about this?

Didn't that ball land in the former Bob File Fan Club? If that's true, its a real shame. I would be willing to bet that if they sent Godfrey an email, they'd probably get an apology.

Ken Kosowan - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#113981) #
GregH, I was at last night's game in Section 239 as well (weird) Row 9, on the aisle...

The kids were definetely wild, but did you notice a lack of ballpark ettiquete there? People were getting up to get a beer in the middle of a pitch! I was thirsty too; but wait for an inning-break!

I was the guy in the pink golf shirt and the brown jacket if you remember at all! ;)

VBF, I saw you up there too.... that bell sure does carry.
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