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On the bright side, Dustin McGowan held the Indians to just three runs in the first inning. (Updated, 11:15 P.M.)



This work by McGowan was, of course, an enormous improvement over his last outing. Tonight the Jays were trailing 3-0 before they sent a batter to the plate, but theyíve been in worse spots.

McGowan pulled himself together, and pitched well over the next few innings, while the Jays tried to claw their way back into the game. And eventually, the Jays batted in the fifth inning, trailing 4-2. Guillermo Quiroz, leading off, drove a ball deep to right, which was caught for the first out. But Sparky beat out an infield hit and scored on an Alex Rios double. Rios then stole third, putting the tying run 90 feet away. Vernon Wells walked, to put the lead run on base.

That was as close as it would get. With one out, and runners on the corners, Shea Hillenbrand struck out. Corey Koskie walked to load the bases, but Aaron Hill went down looking at a called third strike.

That was all she wrote, kids. Corey Koskie, who looks like heís finally about to go on the tear Iíve been waiting for all year, singled his next time up. He was the only Toronto baserunner until Catalanottoís two out double in the bottom of the ninth, by which time the score was 9-3.

The teamís record falls to .500, and theyíve lost 7 of 8 since I confessed to shaving off the incipient Fu.

I donít plan on telling any of you where I live.

Thatís since the confession, by the way. They actually won 7 of 9 between the actual shaving and the confession. Go figure...

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I have made a Data Table. I shall now pause, while you gather your wits and recover from the general Shock and Amazement.

Pause.

However, I am not sharing this Data Table with you. Here is why. I spent several idle hours (I have many, many idle hours) entering the career numbers of the Blue Jays hitters against every active pitcher into a spreadsheet. This took so much time that the roster actually changed, but Iím not going to worry about that now.

The resulting Data Table consists of 2914 rows - that would be a Header, a blank, and 2912 statistical lines. None of you actually wants to scroll through that, do you? So I am here to present the highlights.

Weíll begin with the man with the most major league at bats.

Corey Koskie
Most AB against - Mark Buehrle (57). Coreyís done fine (17-57, .298 with 2 Hrs.)
Most hits: Buehrle (17)
Most strikeouts: Buehrle (15)
Most HRs: Daniel Cabrera (3) in just 15 at bats.
Likes to face: Jon Garland (16-38, .421, 1 HR), Bartolo Colon (14-34, .412, 1 HR), James Baldwin (10-21, .476, 1 HR), Esteban Loaiza (11-33, .333, 1 HR, 8 BB).
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Ramon Ortiz (8-23, .348, 2 HR), Jeff Weaver (8-25, .320, 1 HR)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Tim Hudson (6-29, .207) and Pedro Martinez (4-22, .182)
Puzzled by: Mike Mussina (3-20, .150, 7 Ks), Arthur Rhodes (1-14, .071, 6 Ks), Sidney Ponson (2-18, .111, 6 Ks)
No Clue Whatsoever: Jaret Wright (0-17), Damaso Marte (0-15, 10 Ks), John Halama (0-12)

Frank Catalanotto
Most AB against: Mussina (47). Cat absolutely owns Mussina - (20-47, .426, with 2 HR and 8 RBI)
Most hits: Mussina (20)
Most strikeouts: Roger Clemens (14)
Most HRs: Tim Wakefield (3)
Likes to face: Besides Mussina? Heís done well against Wakefield (14-40, .350, with 3 HR and 9 RBI), Brad Radke (9-21, .429, 1 HR). And how about Mike Timlin (8-11, .727)?
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Esteban Loaiza (10-26, .385, 2 HR), Ramon Ortiz (11-31, .355)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Pedro Martinez (3-26, .115), Roger Clemens (8-31, .258, 14 Ks)
Puzzled by: Orlando Hernandez (6-30, .200, 1 HR), Bartolo Colon (4-26, .154)
No Clue Whatsoever: Kelvim Escobar (0-9), Kyle Lohse (0-9)

Gregg Zaun
Most AB against: Sidney Ponson and Esteban Loaiza (23). Heís done fine with both: 9-23 (.391) against Ponson, 7-23 (.304) against Loaiza and a homer against both.
Most hits: Ponson (9)
Most strikeouts: Pedro Martinez (8)
Most HRs: Heís hit 1 HR off each of 32 different pitchers.
Likes to face: Jon Garland (8-14, .571), Kenny Rogers (6-12, .500, 1 HR)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Ben Sheets (4-10, .400, 1 HR), Chan Ho Park (4-10, .400)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Pedro Martinez (4-21, .190, 8 Ks), Derek Lowe (1-11, .901)
Puzzled by: Curt Schilling (3-14, .214, 7 Ks), Carl Pavano (1-12, .083)
No Clue Whatsoever: James Baldwin (0-10)

Shea Hillenbrand
Most AB against: Mike Mussina (40). Sheaís enjoyed it for the most part, going 14-40 (.350) with 3 Hrs.
Most hits: David Wells (15)
Most strikeouts: Mussina (7)
Most Hrs: Mussina and Jamie Moyer (3)
Likes to face: Kenny Rogers (8-19, .421, 2 HR), Moyer (5-12, .417, 3 HR, 8 RBI), Wells (15-37, .405)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Jake Peavy (7-12, 583, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 4 BB), Chris Carpenter (8-20, .400, 1 HR)
Glad these guys are in the NL:Andy Pettitte (5-27, .185), Odalis Perez (4-21, .190)
Puzzled by: Jason Johnson (4-24, .167), Roy Halladay (4-22, .182), Rodrigo Lopez (4-22, .182)
No Clue Whatsoever: Tom Glavine (0-12), Ben Sheets (0-11). Bet heís glad theyíre in the NL, too.

Vernon Wells
Most AB against: Mussina (41) - Vernonís got 13 hits (.317), 2 HR and 7 RBI
Most hits: Mussina (13)
Most strikeouts: Orlando Hernandez (9)
Most Hrs: Rodrigo Lopez, Jeff Weaver, Jason Johnson, Bruce Chen (3)
Likes to face: David Wells (11-24, .458, 1 HR), Mark Buehrle (8-17, .471, 1 HR), Mike Maroth (9-20, .450, 1 HR), Rodrigo Lopez (10-30, .333, 3 HR, 11 RBI)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Andy Pettitte (10-20, .500, 1 HR), Jeff Weaver (8-26, .308, 3 HR, 6 RBI)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Esteban Loaiza (5-25, .200), Victor Zambrano (2-18, .111), Tim Hudson (4-20, .200)
Puzzled by: Joe Kennedy (4-27, .148, 1 HR), Jon Garland (4-25, .160), Orlando Hernandez (5-27, .185, 2 HR, 9 Ks)
No Clue Whatsoever: Daniel Cabrera (0-14, 5 Ks)

Eric Hinske
Most AB against: Pedro Martinez (30) - Dude is 8-30 (.267) with 1 HR and 10 Ks, which isnít bad against Pedro.
Most hits: Jamie Moyer (10)
Most strikeouts: Mike Mussina (12)
Most Hrs: Jamie Moyer, Jon Garland, Jorge Sosa, Rich Harden, Paul Wilson (2)
Likes to face: Moyer (10-26, .385, 2 HR), Jon Garland (9-21, .429, 2 HR), Bronson Arroyo (8-19, .421)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Buddy Groom (7-15, .467, 1 HR), Jeff Weaver (9-23, .391, 1 HR)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Esteban Loaiza (2-14, .143), Roger Clemens (2-13, .154)
Puzzled by: Mike Mussina (4-29, .138, 1 RBI on a HBP this week!), Kenny Rogers (3-17, .176), Joel Pineiro (2-16, .125)
No Clue Whatsoever: Gil (Ga) Meche (0-11)

Orlando Hudson
Most AB against: Esteban Loaiza (22). Good times: O-Dog is 10-22 (.455)
Most hits: Loaiza (10)
Most strikeouts: Mike Mussina (10)
Most Hrs: Jon Garland (2)
Likes to face: Besides Loaiza? Garland (8-21, .381, 2 HR), Sidney Ponson (9-21, .429), Curt Schilling (7-15, .467)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Loaiza, Ramon Ortiz (4-9, .444)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Livan Hernandez (1-13, .077), Jeff Weaver (2-13, .154)
Puzzled by: Tim Wakefield (4-20, .200), Bronson Arroyo (3-19, .158), David Wells (3-17, .176). The Red Sox seem to have a good scouting report. Maybe Schilling hasn't seen it.
No Clue Whatsoever: Jason Johnson (0-10)

Frank Menechino
Most AB against: Kenny Rogers (31)
Most hits: Rogers (11)
Most strikeouts: Jarrod Washburn (6)
Most Hrs: Randy Johnson (2)
Likes to face: Rogers (11-31, .355), Scott Schoeneweis (6-14, .429), Mark Hendrickson (6-17, .353), Brad Radke (4-7, .571)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Doug Davis (5-15, .333, 1 HR), Ramon Ortiz (4-12, .333)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Eric Milton (2-11, .182, 1 HR, 5 Ks), Andy Pettitte (1-7, .143), Pedro Martinez (1-7, .143)
Puzzled by: Jarrod Washburn (5-27, .185, 1 HR, 6 Ks), Freddy Garcia (2-15, .133), Mark Buehrle (1-12, .083)
No Clue Whatsoever: Orlando Hernandez (0-8)

Reed Johnson
Most AB against: Pedro Martinez (20) - it hasnít been fun (4-20, .200, 7 Ks), but itís Pedro.
Most hits: Rodrigo Lopez (8)
Most strikeouts: Pedro Martinez and Tim Wakefield (7)
Most Hrs: Mike Maroth (2)
Likes to face: Lopez (8-18, .444), Maroth (7-17, .412, 2 HR), Johan Santana (7-12, .583), Jeremy Affeldt (5-7, .714)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Rick Helling (4-8, .500), Derek Lowe (3-6, .500), Buddy Groom (3-6, .500)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Victor Zambrano (3-17, .176), Javier Vazquez (2-13, .154)
Puzzled by: Tim Wakefield (2-18, .111, 7 Ks), Bruce Chen (1-10, .100)
No Clue Whatsoever: Tim Hudson (0-9)

Alex Rios
Most AB against: Kenny Rogers, Orlando Hernandez, Mark Hendrickson (15)
Most hits: Rogers (7)
Most strikeouts: Erik Bedard (5)
Most Hrs: He has 1 HR against 6 active pitchers, including Roger Clemens.
Likes to face: Rogers (7-15, .467), Daniel Cabrera (6-13, .462), Randy Johnson (4-8, .500), Mike Maroth (5-6, .833, 1 HR), Gil Ga Meche (5-6, .833) (
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Javier Vazquez (5-11, .455), Victor Zambrano (4-7, .571)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Ryan Drese (1-6, .167), tony Armas (1-6, .167)
Puzzled by: Orlando Hernandez (3-15, .200), John Halama (2-12, .167)
No Clue Whatsoever: Justin Duchscherer and Scott Proctor (0-6)

Ken Huckaby
Most AB against: Tomo Ohka (9)
Most hits: Paul Wilson (4)
Most strikeouts: Johan Santana and Miguel Batista (3)
Most Hrs: Paul Wilson and Jason Johnson (1)
Likes to face: Wilson! (4-7, .571, 1 HR), Mike Maroth (3-6, .500)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Wilson, Mike Hampton (3-3, 1.000), Roger Clemens (2-5, .400)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Tomo Ohka (1-9, .111), Derek Lowe (1-6, .167), Jeff Weaver (1-6, .167)
Puzzled by: Sean Douglass (1-6, .167)
No Clue Whatsoever: Tim Wakefield (0-7)

Russ Adams
Most AB against: Orlando Hernandez (11)
Most hits: Hernandez, Bronson Arroyo, Jon Garland, Rodrigo Lopez (4)
Most strikeouts: Joe Blanton (3)
Most Hrs: Garland (3)
Likes to face: Garland (4-7, .571, 3 HR), Lopez (4-8, .500), Wishes these guys were in the AL: Esteban Loaiza (3-6, .500)
Glad these guys are in the NL: No one, really. Javier Vazquez? (1-4, .250)
Puzzled by: Sidney Ponson (2-10, .200)
No Clue Whatsoever: Bartolo Colon (0-7)

Aaron Hill
Most AB against: Joe Blanton (7)
Most hits: Joe Mays (3)
Most strikeouts: Mike Maroth (2)
Most Hrs: Ryan Franklin, Sean Douglass, Bruce Chen (1)
Likes to face: Joe Mays (3-4, .750)
Wishes these guys were in the AL: Chris Capuano and Doug Davis (2-2, 1.000)
Glad these guys are in the NL: Hitless in 3 Abs against Chris Carpenter, Esteban Loaiza, Glendon Rusch, Roy Oswalt
Puzzled by: Blanton (1-7, .143)
No Clue Whatsoever: Mike Maroth (0-6)

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JaysFanInCT - Friday, August 26 2005 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#126791) #
At least we didn't help the Yankees cause by beating Cleveland.

I am kidding (mostly). I hate the Yankees and besides seeing the Blue Jays win, nothing makes me happier than seeing the Yankees lose, but I still wish the Jays would finish strong. It's not looking good though.
Rob - Friday, August 26 2005 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#126794) #
A new feature for you folks, it's the BB Chat Highlight of the Night:

Either Mike Wilner picked a hell of a time to mention the Auburn Doubledays, or he was lurking in the chat and decided to talk about the combined no-hitter on air just as we were talking about it ourselves:

[21:42] <smcs> Auburn threw a no-hitter tonight
[21:42] <RookRob> They nearly had one against them on Wednesday
[21:42] <smcs> only 2 walks
[21:43] <RookRob> Bobby Ray!
[21:44] <smcs> and a 4 inning save by Adrian Martin
[21:44] <RookRob> And Adrian Martin
[21:44] <RookRob> Martin only had one batter reach, and it was on an error
[21:45] <RookRob> His own error
[21:45] <RookRob> Jerry is still agonizing over the runner on third, less than two outs thing

(At this point, an anonymous observer quit.)

[21:48] <RookRob> Wilner just mentioned the Auburn game
[21:48] <RookRob> That can't be a coincidence
[21:48] <RookRob> I'm serious
[21:48] <smcs> make something up and see if he says it
[21:48] <smarchee> I'm not Wilner :P
[21:48] <Magpie6> Maybe he's the Bot...
[21:49] <RookRob> I looked over for any Anons, but there aren't any there. Maybe some will come anon.
[21:49] <smarchee> argh
[21:49] <smcs> one Anon quit right after we finished talking about Auburn

I believe the "argh" was in reference to one of Speier's 16 homeruns in the ninth inning.

As for that wildcard race, Oakland is up 4-1 in the bottom of the ninth, Huston Street on for the Cheap Save. If he holds on -- and he should, 95.3% of the time -- they are all tied for the WC lead. Again.
Magpie - Friday, August 26 2005 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#126799) #
Wilner is kicking butt on the post-game show. This is fun!
dr. haque - Friday, August 26 2005 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#126800) #
I have to say todays pitching performance from Mcgowan was not that bad. The kid has talent, I mean at points out there he looks like he can dominate and make hitters look bad. And his performance today answered my question about Mcgowans stamina because he was still throwing hard into the 5th inning.

And how about that statement from JP in the game that if Halladay and Lilly dont go down the Jays are leading the wild card race. I cant say I completely agree but those two guys combined could easily have given the Jays 8-10 wins which would be very close to first.
Keith Talent - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#126807) #
Back from the game:

- Sizemore steals home! I think it was a combination of the exagerrated infield shift, McGowan not looking, Quiroz being lackidasical behind the plate..

- It was so sad to see the Blue Jays all wearing their socks high together but still no victory

- What kind of moron would suggest that Speier would be a good closer? :)

- I have a nice collection of Tony Fernandez face masks.

- If Halladay and Lilly go down the Blue Jays still wouldn't score any more runs, I doubt they'd be leading the Wild Card; I actually think the injuries to that pair has cost the Jays 5 games maximum.

- The coolest part of the game - besides the steal of home by Sizemore - was Chulk picking off the runner at second and striking out the batter with the very next pitch
Joseph Krengel - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 07:30 AM EDT (#126813) #
I've got to tell you, from behind home plate Quiroz looked TERRIBLE last night. On at least one passed ball he had ample opportunity to pinch it and hold it, but a half-assed effort led to a runner advancing. All in all a poor effort from the Jays last night. Then again, I can never understand why Gibbons likes to play all of his subs at the same time. As much as I like Menechino in, why does he always get into games when the Jays put in their backup C?
groove - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 08:22 AM EDT (#126816) #
It's a funny coincidence that similarly minded individuals can get triggered to say/do things by observing the same stimuli. I don't know how many times I watch the game, say something to my wife, and then hear the announcer repeat what I just said. Maybe that's how hollywood always manages to put out similarly themed movies back to back all the time.

Braby21 - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#126827) #
As much as I like Menechino in, why does he always get into games when the Jays put in their backup C?

It's b/c the Jays backup C's happen to hit right handed, so when they get a chance to give Zaun a rest, it's generally against a Lefty...which happens to be when Menechino plays. He's on this team for two reasons, to backup our infielders against lefty's, or to DH against Lefty's.

That being said, I think it's time for Menechino to sit down, IMO he's done as a Jay. I'd rather see Hill DHing and Adams playing Short against Lefty's.
VBF - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#126829) #
-Someone tell the "Jays/Koskie/Quiroz/Whole Team suck" heckler to just stop. Seriously, he presents himself as a hardcore fan, but it's just sad.

-Not all the Jays had the high socks. McGowan certainly didn't, which makes the debut of the 'high sock team' null and void.

-Alex Obal has a kick ass Adams jersey and luckily he didn't play yesterday or the jersey would have a losing record.

-In an investigation yesterday, the only Blue Jay in the last two years to have never had a fan buy his jersey is Frank Menechino. I intend to change this in the next month.

-The sad part is that some poor fool is actually walking around with a Huckaby jersey.

-Theres a game worn "Mike Barnett" jersey in the Jays Shop for $100.

-If you have it, watch the World Series videos. Alumni Weekend is the best weekend in the whole season.




Rob - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#126832) #
McGowan was most certainly wearing high socks.
costanza - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#126834) #
McGowan started the game wearing high socks, but stopped after either the first or second inning. (It was discussed on the part of the broadcast I saw)
Named For Hank - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#126835) #
-In an investigation yesterday, the only Blue Jay in the last two years to have never had a fan buy his jersey is Frank Menechino. I intend to change this in the next month.

There's a guy who sits behind home plate who has a road grey Menechino jersey. I've seen him a bunch of times, including at the ice cream truck post-game.
VBF - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#126839) #
Really? Bah. But I spoke to the head guy in charge of jersey sales...

So I conclude that there isn't a single Jay that doesn't have a fan who wears their jersey.
smcs - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#126844) #
I wonder who has a Brandon League jersey or a Guillermo Quiroz jersey...
Rob - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#126846) #
Someone has a Matt Whiteside jersey?
VBF - Saturday, August 27 2005 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#126874) #
It definitely wouldn't surprise me. There are alot of people with bizarre player jerseys. Maybe not Whiteside, but I've seen a Quiroz and League jersey. Don't underestimate Jays fans. There are a few people around the Dome whom I know own jerseys of the majority of the team.
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