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Ted Lilly reminds us that he’s got a rep for being inconsistent. After opening the season with a brief and ineffective outing, Ted reeled off 6 consecutive starts where he gave his team a good chance to win. Recognizing that it was bound to come to an end, John Gibbons employed the quick hook and Lilly was gone after 4 1/3 with 3 runs in.

Unfortunately, the normally potent Jays offence lost a key cog when Troy Glaus was pulled after a plunking to open the 2nd inning. They made it close by scoring two runs in the top of the 6th, but the bullpen suffered a meltdown in the bottom half and that was that.

Star of the Game: Orlando Cabrera collected 3 hits and a walk.

Unsung Hero: Jose Molina battled Jason Frasor with 2 outs in the 6th, blooping a single into left on the 9th pitch of the at-bat and igniting a 4-run rally.

For the Jays: Frasor came on with one out in the 5th and stranded two runners for Lilly. He recorded two quick outs in the 6th before Molina’s single. Schoeneweis & Speier were… less effective.

Defensive Play of the Game: Eric Hinske, pressed into service at third base for the first time since September 2004, ended the 5th inning throwing out Juan Rivera after a diving stop to his right to prevent the ball going down the line.

Defensive Misplay of the Game: Back-to-back with Hinske’s play, Chone Figgins dropped Aaron Hill’s fly ball to centre to open the 6th. The Jays capitalized by scoring two in the inning.

Boxscore: Click.

Classy: Angels fans gave warm welcomes to Troy Glaus and Bengie Molina, both making their first appearance in Anaheim wearing enemy colours. I’ve never understood why the likes of Shannon Stewart are booed when they return to Toronto.

Elsewhere in the East:

The Yankees sent out a lineup featuring a 6 through 9 of Bernie Williams, Andy Phillips, Miguel Cairo, and Bubba Crosby, but scored 14 runs off Ranger ‘pitching’ anyhow. It was “Throw out the book on modern closer usage” night in the AL East, and Joe Torre’s take was to bring on Mariano Rivera to start the ninth with both teams having scored a dozen. The Rangers got to Mo for a run, but the Yanks game back to win it on a 2-run walkoff dinger by Jorge Posada.

In Baltimore, the good news was that Curt Schilling was lit up for 3 homers and 5 runs in 5 2/3. The bad news is that the Orioles started Bruce Chen, so this deficit meant next to nothing to the Sox lineup. Sam Perlozzo boldly sent out his closer for the top of the ninth despite being down a run, but while Chris Ray held the Sox at bay, Jonathan Papelbon mowed down the Os in the bottom half for his 14th save. 6 – 5 final and make it 13 in a row for the Sox over the Orioles.

It was a rare night, as even the bottom dwelling Rays were worth noting. Facing the Central-leading White Sox, Scott Kazmir shut down Chicago’s south siders for 7 innings, striking out 8, walking 2, allowing just 1 run on 5 hits. Meanwhile his mates got to Brandon McCarthy (making his first start of the season) for 3 runs in 4 innings, and to the Sox pen for another 7 runs. This added up to a 10 – 1 Rays lead through 7… but then Joe Maddon went to his bullpen, and just like that it was a ballgame again. Travis Harper, Ruddy Lugo, and Brian Meadows coughed up 6 runs in recording 2 outs, and Maddon called on closer Tyler Walker. Walker struck out Jim Thome to end the frame, and allowed just a single in the 9th to put it in the books and drop the Sox into a first-place tie with the Tigers.

TBG: Has a tribute to longtime coach Tom Ashizawa, who recently passed away.

Today: Casey Janssen takes on Kelvim Escobar.

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MatO - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#147031) #

Here are two things I never expect to see in the same boxscore again in my lifetime:

SB Molina (1, 2nd base off Santana/Molina)

SB Molina (1, 2nd base off Schoeneweiss/Molina)

rtcaino - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#147033) #
Letting the SS Loogy face Figgins and Cabrera in a still winnable game was a questionable decision. But with two outs what bad could have happened?

4 runs, 5 hits, 0 errors : 7-2 LA Angels over Jays.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#147034) #

Is there a food which drains all the power from the muscles in your arms and transfers it to the muscles in your legs?  What was served in the Molina cucina on Monday night? 

The stolen bases undoubtedly will be a part of an episode of "Too Many Molinas", and we will be in a mess of trouble if Jobu gets to the conspiracy theories.

CaramonLS - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#147035) #
That is Bengie's 3rd Stolen base of his career and 1st since 2003.
Chuck - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#147036) #
Nothing fishy about two brothers, slow as molasses, each getting a stolen base off each other. Nothing fishy at all. Where's Dan Brown?
Chuck - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#147037) #
Letting the SS Loogy face Figgins and Cabrera in a still winnable game was a questionable decision. But with two outs what bad could have happened?

I think Schoeneweis faced Kennedy and Figgins and then Speier came in to face Cabrera.

Given that it was only the 6th, and the situation was 2 outs, man on 1st, the decision to leave SS in to face Figgins was defensible, even given SS's career long woes against RHB. It was a minor gamble with an improbable ripple effect.

If it were the 8th or 9th, there's no way that SS stays in to face Figgins.
Geoff - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#147038) #
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it. Bengie took the extra base without a throw after his brother advanced easily with a throw in the previous half inning.

Nobody came over to take the throw to nail Bengie, otherwise Jose would have likely tossed one. If ever Bengie would catch the defense napping on him, how could it be right after his brother stole a bag on him? They just saw a Molina do it, did they think lightning couldn't possibly strike twice?

There's no way Bengie intentionally let his brother swipe a bag (or could admit to it), because that sparked the first of four runs with two outs (not that he could have foreseen that). I must see another Molina stolen base to believe it really happened.

CaramonLS - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#147039) #
I think it would have been hard to justify using 3 relievers in the 6th inning (Frasor, Scho, Speier), hence his reluctance to take Scho out - even with a well rested bullpen - especially 3 of our top 4.

I mean, you just needed 1 out!

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#147042) #
I am certainly the farthest thing from an expert on pitching mechanics, but I thought a stiff/locked stride leg as in the Kazmir picture above was a definite no-no and a recipe for knee troubles. Have I got that right?
Bruce Wrigley - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#147047) #

Mike, sort of.  It's important not to land on a locked front leg.  In other words, a pitcher must have flexion in his glove-side knee when he lands and transfers the weight.  (Just as in jumping in the air, like rebounding a basketball; you need flex in the joint to take the weight).  But as you'll notice from the Kazmir picture, although his knee is locked the time is post-stride and post-transfer; Kazmir has completed the stride and has even followed through; his hips have fully rotated past 90 degrees and his weight is fully committed on that front foot.  The knee straightens out in order to preserve his balance.

Try this experiment yourself; bend fully forward from the waist while on one leg (right leg for lefties, left leg for righties) with your other leg behind you, and try to keep your balance (a) with knee locked and (b) with knee flexed.  You will probably find (I do) that balancing is easier with the knee locked, because it creates a more solid, stationary fulcrum over which to balance your body weight.

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#147048) #

Quick note of interest on the TEX/NYY game ...

The Yankees were down 9-0 and came back from that far down for only the fourth time in franchise history and first time since 1987, or probably before some Box readers were born.

Jamey Newberg has sent out two plaintive, distressingly depressing "Newberg Reports" to Ranger fans since the loss; not only did TEX blow the 9-0 lead, they came back to lead 12-11 in the top of the ninth when Posada's walkoff two-run shot ended it

 

ScottTS - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#147056) #

 I’ve never understood why the likes of Shannon Stewart are booed when they return to Toronto.

I was at a Braves/Mets game in Atlanta a few weeks ago; Tom Glavine against John Thompson. There were a lot of boos when Glavine's name was announced. It was pretty sad.

On the other hand, they cheered Julio Franco when he came in to pinch hit. Go figure.

CaramonLS - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#147058) #
Glavine got a pretty rough ride from the fans and media after his departure to the Mets, he was typecast by some for having no loyalty to the team. 

Scherholz even mentions it in his book he wrote and says the only reason he put in a conversation between the two was to help clear up some of the negative feelings around Glavine (without Glavine's permission).



VBF - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#147059) #

Shannon Stewart was cheered when his name was announced the first two times on Opening Night. After that, the right field fans during Opening Night started to get on his back and one thing led to another for the rest of the series. For the most part, people do recognize alot of the good that he did do in Toronto, the booers are a small percent of fans who can't justify half the things they say anyways.

It probably has more to do with the years of team mediocrity while Shannon was here that has some people with bad tastes in their mouths. Other than Hentgen, I really don't think Torontonians ever cheer on players from that era. On the contrary, you could hold a Derek Bell Day at the Dome and he'd get a 2 minute standing ovation. I guess it's some strange form of cognitive dissonance.

Jordan - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#147061) #
On Friday, June 23, we'll find out where Carlos Delgado fits into that spectrum.  I fear more boos than cheers for the best player ever produced by the organization.
Pistol - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#147062) #
John Sickels did a Casey Janssen 'Crystal Ball' today over at his site.
Gitz - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#147063) #
I don't know how qualified any of us are to discuss mechanics: what's good, what isn't, etc. When Mark Prior came to the majors he was lauded for having flawless mechanics which would keep him healthy. Ok then.

Rich Harden, meanwhile, works out harder than anyone, has a fluid, easy motion, and can't stay healthy, either. Then there are guys like Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine, et al et al et al.

VBF - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#147065) #

I really don't think that Carlos gets booed at all. There will be some boos in there, but the fans really appreciate what he gave to the franchise. Heck, Delgado jerseys are still being ordered by fans at the RC almost two years since he last played here.

Ron - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 06:24 PM EDT (#147068) #
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051101.wblai/BNStory/Sports/

JP says AJ will be back before the all-star break.


Geoff - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#147070) #
No matter your mechanics, if you're throwing as hard as those guys, you are putting plenty of stress on your body. If there is a flaw in your physical health that can't sustain the stress, mechanics won't save you. Nor will 'perfect' mechanics save you from developing flaws in your physical health.

To make an analogy to hitting: a perfect swing will help you, but if your bat breaks because the lumber is flawed, your perfect swing had little to do with the disaster.

Chuck - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 06:45 PM EDT (#147071) #
It's funny that for some fans, reserve clause=loyalty. And leaving a team, no matter what the conditions (trade, free agency), is grounds for being considered disloyal.

Delgado honoured his contract, played hard and was extremely effective. Upon the completion of his contract, he elected to work for another employer, one prepared to pay him market value. And even if Toronto had offered him more than Florida, and he left for Florida anyway, so what? It would have been his prerogative. But he will hear boos. You can't throw a dead cat at a professional sporting event without hitting a numbskull or ten.

Want disloyalty? How about Vince Carter. While under contract for the Raptors, he intentionally dogged it. He did not honour his contract and deserves every boo he receives.

Sadly, not enough fans can see the difference between these two.
CaramonLS - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#147072) #
Actually Chuck, they can.  Carter will get exactly what he deserves - and he is a very special case, but a lot of people were bitter at Delgado for not waiving his NTC clause and in doing so hampering the team.

Could have been a promising prospect or 2 for him and in some ways that could be considered disloyal because Delgado's actions hurt the team.  They did and there is no way you can deny that. 

Did he have every right to not waive his NTC?  Of course.

Chuck - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#147075) #
The media deserves all manner of criticism for dumping on Delgado for not waving his NTC. His loyalty to the Blue Jays is supposed to extend to him consenting to leave the very team he would prefer to play for? I can see no rational argument to paint that as an act of disloyalty. That anyone can just baffles me.
Ron - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#147076) #
If I was at  RC during Delgado's first game back, I would gave him a standing ovation. I do have a feeling half of the crowd will be booing him though.

He refused to waive his no trade clause and publicly said he wasn't going to give the Jays a hometown discount. While unfair, fans look down on these type of things.

I thought it was a slap in the face for the Jays to offer Delgado a 2yr/12 mil deal and say it was market value.

Outside of Clemens and maybe Alomar, Delgado is the greatest player to ever wear the Jays uniform.


Leigh - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#147077) #
Could have been a promising prospect or 2 for him and in some ways that could be considered disloyal because Delgado's actions hurt the team.  They did and there is no way you can deny that.

I can so.  I can deny the hell out of it.

The action that hurt the team was Ash' agreement to a no-trade clause in the first place.  Delgado's refusal to waive is not even an action at all, as you describe, but a maintenance of the status quo and a decided lack of action.  Delgado did nothing wrong.

There.  I denied it.
CaramonLS - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#147078) #
So if Delgado had waived his NTC we wouldn't have gotten anything for him?  Flawed Logic Leigh.

Don't treat me as the enemy here - I'm presenting the other side of the coin, not arguing for it.

Rob - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#147080) #
Outside of Clemens and maybe Alomar, Delgado is the greatest player to ever wear the Jays uniform.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. He's up there, surely, but let's not get carried away.  
King Ryan - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#147081) #
Outside of Rickey, and maybe Stieb and Kent, I will easily take Delgado over any of those players, Rob.
John Northey - Wednesday, May 17 2006 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#147082) #
Bit of trivia for Delgado and Kent.  They both started their pro careers at the same time with the same minor league team.  In 1989 both played for the St Catherines Blue Jays.  What is great is that I found this out by looking through my old baseball card collection and finding the team set from that year with both of their cards in it.

Does anyone else remember the old Jays tv show back then that showed Delgado as this powerful 16 year old catcher that all the scouts were sky high on?  That is what made me buy the team set in '89, figuring a 16 year old catching prospect had to be good.  Other noteworthies on the team were Nigel Wilson (first pick of the Marlins when they were formed), and Greg O'Halloran (won a triple crown in the low minors late in his career iirc).
Gitz - Thursday, May 18 2006 @ 01:26 AM EDT (#147084) #
I think the point is that Delgado is the greatest Blue Jay, not necessarily the greatest player.

I could be wrong, though. It happens every four seconds or so. Roughly.

Gitz - Thursday, May 18 2006 @ 01:32 AM EDT (#147085) #
As for Delgado being booed, an imperfect comparison is Jason Giambi. I say imperfect because there are obvious differences, ones I've outlined before, but there are enough similarities to make the comparison.  And when JG came back to Oakland, there were about 70 percent boos and 30 percent cheers. (I was ticked at Giambi and the A's equally, and had I been at the Coliseum, I would have booed the situation, but not necessarily Giambi. Ok, ok, ok. I would have been booing Giambi, too.) I suspect Toronto fans are smart enough to realise that in fact a two-year/$12 million offer presented as "market value" is, in fact, as insulting as a $12 million offer can be. Delgado will get mostly cheers.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 18 2006 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#147113) #
John Northey, I hope you're preserving that St. Catherines '89 card set well.  Delgado and Kent are still both viable Hall candidates; there might be a Cooperstown scene in 2016 or so.
Rob - Thursday, May 18 2006 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#147140) #
Outside of Rickey, and maybe Stieb and Kent, I will easily take Delgado over any of those players, Rob.

Oh, I know Delgado's better than most of them. It was more of an exercise in "name great players who once played for the Jays." For some reason, I ended up with Jose Canseco instead of Paul Molitor when I needed one more. I guess, next time, I'll pick the guy with the drug problem instead of the guy with the drug problem.
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