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Four games against the defending AL champs? Should be good.


For some odd reason, five of the Jays first eight games have come against LH starters. If you look at the Toronto lineup, wouldn't you sort of expect the southpaws to be running for cover? They're 4-1 against lefties, and they'll get two more when Detroit arrives (Maroth and Robertson, the only LH to beat them so far.)

Some random observations after a couple of nights in the House that Ted Owns:

Frank Thomas looks like he's pressing. He's not working the count and waiting for a pitch he can drive, which has been his modus operandi for some seventeen years. Instead, he's hacking at the first decent thing he sees. Not like him, and it surely will not last.

Royce Clayton can still move around pretty good, especially to his right, but his arm strength really doesn't look much more impressive than Russ Adams. Which is a little startling, and it also means that it doesn't much matter how well he moves to his right - he's not going to throw out too many people from the hole. He does throw the ball straight, at least. And he's been having some very good at bats. That's not likely to last forever, either.

Aaron Hill is hitting exactly the way he did when he showed up in mid 2005, which is a sight for sore eyes.

I will bestow two Player of the Game Awards for last night's contest. First, obviously, Troy Glaus. Old Aches and Pains had himself a fine ball game. He lined a ball into the right field corner his first time up, galloped into second base, took third on a fly ball, and scored the game's first run on Aaron Hill's infield "hit." He walked to load the bases his second time up, but was thrown out at home trying to score on Rios' double. He left off the sixth with a home run to make the score 5-3, and one inning later drew another walk and scored yet another run on Hill's double. In the course of these four at bats he also made the Royals hurlers throw 23 pitches. John Gibbons gave him the last two innings off to rest his weary bones.

And Jason Frasor, ladies and gentlemen. He came into a 5-4 game with the tying runner on base to face Mark Teahen, and got his man on the first pitch. Unfortunately, Royce Clayton misplayed it, and brought Reggie Sanders up with the tying run at second and the go-ahead run at first. Frasor fell behind 3-1, and on the full count pitch Sanders lashed a shot up the middle - which Frasor speared and tossed to Overbay to end the threat. He then struck out the side on thirteen pitches in the eighth inning.

Take a bow, son!

A Josh Towers failure always provokes heated debate around the Box - there are numerous folks who think Towers' does not have major league ability, and whatever success he has had at the major league level is inexplicable, a fluke, something with no logical explanation. He doesn't have major league ability, or at the very least, major league stuff. As is well known, I think this usually means Towers doesn't stand 6-5 and throw 95 mph, but let's not go there again - I'll accept that there's an argument to be made, just so I can move along to Gustavo.

Because where does this leave Gustavo Chacin? He doesn't even throw as hard as Towers most of the time (tonight his fastball was usually about 85 - he got one or two of them up to 89). His control is nowhere near as sharp. He doesn't have a single outstanding pitch. He's pretty homer prone himself. What's he doing in the major leagues?

Chacin's basic skill is changing speeds and moving the ball around. And that's not smoke and mirrors either. It's a true fundamental, a talent that remarkably few pitchers master (and I wouldn't say Chacin has mastered it, not by a long shot.) But it's much, much more reliable than a 98 mph heater. Major league hitters can hit fastballs, no matter how hard they're coming. But if you can destroy a hitter's timing... he's not going to hurt you. It's something you can count on, a dependable fact of the game.

So Chacin gets hitters out by getting them off balance, by disrupting their timing. That's not Towers - he gets batters out by hitting spots - by putting the ball in locations in the strike zone where it's difficult to hit it well. The point is that these are both legitimate, long tried and tested methods of getting major league hitters out.

Now if Towers could just change speeds like Chacin, or if Chacin could only hit spots like Towers... well great Gosh Almighty. You'd have Glavine and Maddux.

And if wishes were horses, traffic would come screeching to a stop.

After all, no one changes speeds on utterly mediocre stuff better than Glavine, and no one puts the ball in places where it's not likely to get hit very well than Maddux. And Glavine also can hit the spot more or less at will, and Maddux changes speeds as well as anyone not named Glavine. Which is why they're getting invited to the Hall of Fame, and a thousand hotshot flamethrowers, from Billy Koch to Francisco Rosario, are going to have to buy a ticket.

Anyway - these are real, genuine, bonafide major league abilities. They're more valuable than the ability to throw 96 mph, and not nearly as common. Being able to throw hard is fairly useless unless you've got some of the other skills as well - if you can't throw it in the strike zone, or if you can't vary the speed, you're not going to get major league hitters out. It just isn't going to happen.

The great dream, of course, of scouts and fans and general managers everywhere, is to find the guy with all of these attributes. So they always start off with the guys who throw 95 mph, because they figure that's the one thing you can't teach, and maybe a young pitcher can acquire the other abilities. Somehow.

I can think of one pitcher who had all these attributes, and one only - Pedro Martinez, in his prime. No one else comes to mind, though - not Seaver or Carlton, not Johnson or Alexander, not Clemens or Koufax.

In fact, you've got just as good a chance of teaching a guy to add 5 or 10 mph to his fastball as you have of teaching him to hit his spot, or to change speeds effectively. If it was that easy, believe me, there'd be a hell of a lot more guys doing it. Because it works.

Ohka vs Maroth tonight. Dice-K now has his first major league L, and Mike Mussina has a pulled hamstring. Who could ask for more?

Good times are coming!
12 April 2007: Time for a Tiger | 18 comments | Create New Account
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Grasshopper - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 06:34 AM EDT (#165628) #
A blatant Towers fan. Pick on old Gus to make your man look better. Fact is that Gus is better he deserves his spot in the rotation, now i think he should be pitching in a 4 or 5 hole but on the Jays he is number 3 no doubt.  Towers is a question mark. I like him but he is not Gus. In my opinion he is not Janssen or Marcum and he is taking away valuable starts that would help the younger players develop. I think he is pitching because the Jays dont  want to feel like that deal he signed was money pissed away.
Magpie - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 08:10 AM EDT (#165629) #

Pick on old Gus to make your man look better.

Nah, you missed the point. Chacin's basic skill - the ability to change speeds and move the ball around - is what pitching is all about. It's the most reliable indicator of success there is, more than pinpoint control and much, much more than an ability to sting the radar guns. If a pitcher can only have one of those three abilities, what Chacin has is the one you want.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 09:16 AM EDT (#165630) #
Mike Mussina has a pulled hamstring

Don't you mean "Mike Mussina unfortunately has a pulled hamstring"?  You've got to keep your karma clean and your dogma's shots up-to-date...

I agree completely with your description of the art of pitching.  The only thing I would add is that the fine skills you describe are, like an artist's, refined slowly.  That is why I favor giving young pitchers at least 30 double A/tripleA starts before they see the major leagues.
Maldoff - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 09:17 AM EDT (#165631) #
What was with the quick hook for Gus last night? He had only pitched 5 innings, didn't have a pitch count anywhere near 100, and had given up a double to a good hitter (Reggie Sanders). Why did Gibby feel compelled to yank him that quickly?
Pistol - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 09:30 AM EDT (#165632) #
Chacin isn't exactly known for his endurance and the tying run was at the plate.

 "To win the ball game," was Gibbons's response to a postgame question about his eagerness to call on Casey Janssen in middle relief.

As much as I like Jeff Blair it seems like he's overly critical of Chacin.  He's been beating this into the ground for the last few weeks now.  Last night Chacin pitched a perfectly acceptable game (after a perfectly acceptable game in his first start) and he made the 'unimpressed' list.  If Blair doesn't think Chacin is a #3, that's fine, but it's like he's blaming Chacin for not being a #3.

RhyZa - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#165636) #

This is a rather simplistic approach, as reliability of skill does not always trump potency of skill.  Additionally, I don't think it's as much of a zero-sum game as is being implied, as combining a 90+ fastball with another skill is not an unrealistic or altogether rare expectation.

But other than that, not much argument here, aside from the fact that all things considered, I'd still rather have the the skill (and ability to apply said skill) of Chacin's than that of Towers.

MatO - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#165637) #

Check out the Orioles pitching line in their game against the Tigers last night.  Loewen pitches 5 shutout innings and then the O's trot out 7 relievers each of whom pitches precisely 1 inning, the first 6 of them shoutout innings until the 7th gives up  4 in the 12th.

Joanna - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#165643) #

I think Chacin's funky mechanics (which are responsible for some of his injury issues) also make his pitches hard to pick up.  He's also really smart and tough, pitching wise.  Put his head on someone with McGowan's stuff, you'd have one of the best pitchers around.

And for the last time, Towers pitched well enough to win the other night.  He just didn't get much help from his team and got out pitched by Greinke (who held his own against Dice K in his previous start).  Towers is still a servicebale number 5 and he did the number one rule of pitching, which is throw strikes.  He works fast too.  The Jays rotation is a bit suspect still.  They don't have a true number 3 guy.  But they do have a serious Ace as number 1 and a sorta-kinda almost jr. Ace for their number 2, so maybe it all balances out.  And maybe having young future starters in the pen for long relief will help too.

And it appears the vodoo on the Yankee hamstrings is working out.  Look out Andy Pettite, your hammies are next.

 

Chuck - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#165644) #

7 relievers each of whom pitches precisely 1 inning

I don't know if I'm just paying more attention to this now, but the strategy of having relievers pitch exactly one inning seems to be more predominant now than ever. While having seven relievers, as most teams do, certainly offers up the luxury of this approach, I'm not sure I'm in agreement with it. It clearly does run contrary to one of Earl Weaver's fundamental tenets of pitcher usage, which albeit harken backs to a different offensive context.

That said, all these one-inning outings sure beat the LaRussian bent of constant mid-inning replacements, as if your bullpen members were nothing but OOGYs.

Magpie - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#165647) #

This is a rather simplistic approach, as reliability of skill does not always trump potency of skill. 

Not quite sure what you mean - in my mind, reliabilty is potency. You can actually depend on changing speeds to get batters out, and you certainly can't depend on raw heat.

But you're right that these different groups of abilities thrive in combination. In fact, that's where the real power comes from. Because you're not simply adding one ability to another - you're multiplying one by the other. Effectiveness increases exponentially.

And eventually, you end up with Pedro.

Magpie - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#165649) #

Or let's put it another way. An 87 mph, placed in the right spot, is a much better pitch than a 95 mph fastball in the hitter's wheelhouse. Or 100 mph a foot outside.

But a 95 mph fastball in the right spot is a far better pitch than an 85 mph in the right spot.

Some combination of just two abilties... not necessarily in equal amounts.

This is another over-simplification, of course - a 92 mph fastball with movement is a much better pitch than a 98 mph fastball that comes in straight and true. One of the reasons young pitchers regularly get hammered is because when they get in a jam, it's extremely hard to resist the instinct to throw the heater just a little harder. And just a little straighter.

But really, my whole point is that the ability to hit the spot is a) a lot less common than the ability to hit 95 mph, and b) more likely to get hitters out at the major league level.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#165651) #
A couple of days ago, Mickey Brantley was quoted as saying that Rios had fallen into old habits.  Here's one side of the statistical picture.  With a GB rate of 25% so far, he certainly isn't beating that ball into the turf the way he was in 04-05.  And his P/PA are at a healthy 3.9.  It's mainly timing.  He isn't pulling the ball the way he did in 2006.  Yet. 
Mylegacy - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#165654) #

Magpie - good piece.

On Glaus; if he could stand up straight, walk, bend or otherwise move in any way without pain...he'd be a superstar. As is...he's got more guts than a field full of cows...and I love the guy! Interesting to see if he lasts to the all-star break before his wheels fall off completely. Magpie...any chance you can play third?

Alex Obal - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#165655) #
Concerning where Rios is hitting the ball:

Here are MLB.com's hit charts on Rios. They break it down by stadium, which at this point in the year is actually convenient. I'm not sure if it's kosher to screencap them and post them here, so I won't, but what those charts show is that at the Rogers Centre (i.e. KC series), he pulled the ball much more than he did at the Trop (where he hit everything to right or right center field) and drove it much more than he did at Comerica (where he didn't hit the ball hard at all).

Magpie - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#165659) #
Magpie...any chance you can play third?

Sure!   And that's not all.

I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Pistol - Thursday, April 12 2007 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#165661) #
Rios' bases loaded double last night (night before?) looked like the good Rios.


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