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When I was at the park on Monday, looking over the Game Notes, my eye fell upon the item pointing out that the next home run Frank Thomas hits will be the 493rd of his career. He will move, temporarily into a three way tie for 21st on the All-Time list, along with a couple of other pretty good first basemen: Lou Gehrig and Fred McGriff.

A quick scan of the leaderboard confirmed my suspicion - Fred McGriff hit more home runs in his career than any other player who has ever worn the Blue Jays uniform. He only hit 125 of that total during his four years as a Blue Jay (although it was enough to leave him, even now, eighth on the franchise leader board.)

Anyway, for some reason I decided to waste some time figuring who had the most career homers and the most career hits of everyone who ever played for each of the thirty teams. (I don't know why I do these things, really!)

Obviously, Hank Aaron hit more home runs than anyone. He only played for two teams, the Braves and the Brewers. The number two man, Bonds, leads the way for the Pirates and the Giants. The number three man, Ruth, carries the banner for the Red Sox and the Yankees - but not the Braves. And, strangest of all, Willie Mays represents the Mets and Willie McCovey represents the Padres. Someone else leads the Giants.

So here's my silly list:

Baltimore - Sosa (596)
Boston - Ruth (714)
New York - Ruth (714)
Tampa Bay - McGriff (493)
Toronto - McGriff (493)

Chicago - Sosa (596)
Cleveland - F.Robinson (586)
Detroit - Mathews (512)
Kansas City - Killebrew (573)
Minnesota - Killebrew (573)

LA Angels - F.Robinson (586)
Oakland - McGwire (583)
Seattle - Griffey (570)
Texas - Sosa (596)

Atlanta - Aaron (755)
Florida - Sheffield (461)
NY Mets - Mays (660)
Philadelphia - Schmidt (548)
Washington - Dawson (438)

Chicago - Sosa (596)
Cincinnati - F.Robinson (586)
Houston - Mathews (512)
Milwaukee - Aaron (755)
Pittsburgh - Bonds (745)
St.Louis - McGwire (583)

Arizona - M.Williams (378)
Colorado - Galarraga (399)
LA Dodgers - F.Robinson (586)
San Diego - McCovey (521)
San Francisco - Bonds (745)

Also odd - Eddie Mathews, the great Braves third baseman, stands here on behalf of two teams he played briefly with at the end of his career, the Tigers and the Astros.

Sammy Sosa and Frank Robinson are the greatest home run hitters to ever play for no fewer than four different franchises - although Ken Griffey should become the Cincinnati rep later this summer.

And one man, and one man alone on this list, hit every single one of his homers for the same team - Mike Schmidt of the Phillies. Although that doesn't make him the single team homer champion - Henry Aaron did hit 733 homers for the Braves (398 for Milwaukee and 335 for Atlanta.) Babe Ruth hit 659 homers for the Yankees and Willie Mays hit 646 homers for the Giants.

I did the same thing for each franchise for career hits. So Ty Cobb is our man for the Tigers and the A's, Pete Rose for the Reds, Phillies, and Expos/Nationals, and so on.

While Mike Schmidt was the only man on the home run list who actually hit every one of his homers for the team he represents, it's a little different when it comes to the guys with the most hits. At least four men make the hit column, and I'm not including Cap Anson and Honus Wagner (Cubs and Pirates). They would be Stan Musial, George Brett, Tony Gwynn, and Craig Biggio.

Paul Molitor had more career hits than any one who ever played for the Blue Jays. But two other men who also played for the Blue Jays at one time had more hits in the majors than any other player who played for... should I give it away? Seattle and Arizona.

Finally, a puzzle! Of all the men who have played for the New York Yankees... who had the most hits in his career?

I never would have guessed this one myself.
16 May 2007: A Diversion | 42 comments | Create New Account
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VBF - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 08:25 AM EDT (#168183) #
Wade Boggs had a ton of hits and played for the Yankees so he's my completely wild guess.
AWeb - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#168184) #
I'll one-up that with Winfield (had about 100 more hits than Boggs), although since he's not someone in the "I'd never have guessed"category, someone above him probably snuck in a year with the Yanks at some point. Looking at the list, I'll take a wild guess with Nap Lajoie, about whom I know very little.
oodler - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#168185) #
I cheated and looked it up - I had never heard of the guy - he had a long career with Pittsburgh prior to bouncing around with a few teams over the last few years of his career. He ended his career with a year and a half with the Yankees in '44-'45. He finished with 3152 hits - good for 16th all time.
Thomas - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#168199) #
I wouldn't have guessed it without help, but oodler's clues tell me it's a Waner brother and since Paul was the better player, I'm going with him.
AWeb - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#168204) #
I was wondering where you found the career leaders who had played for each team? Career leaders while playing for a team is easy enough (anyone think a current blue jay will knock Delgado or Fernandez off the top of any of those lists?), but I don't see a place with this interesting information presented.
Magpie - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#168211) #
Paul Waner! The Big Poison! (Brooklynese for "person"
lexomatic - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#168215) #
pretty obviously if vernon plays through his contract he should be at the top in most hitting categories for the counting stats. not so much for percentages.
by rough calculation (140 gp 2007-14)
he could approach
2000 gp #1 fernandez 1450
7600 ab #1 fernandez 5335
1200 r #1 delgado 889
2000 h #1 fernandez 1583
450 2b #1 delgado 343
30 3b #1 fernandez 72 (wells #9 bumping barfield)
350 hr #1 delgado 336 (if his power develops could be much higher -25 per)
1150 rbi #1 delgado 1058 (this could easily be higher.. based on 80 rbi per)
600 bb #1 delgado 827 (wells #2)
1150 so #1 delgado (wells#2)
100 sb #1 moseby 255 (nixon #7 w/ 101)
180 gidp #1 bell 112
(this is conservative probably over 200 depends on how his legs hold out)

all in all that's one HELL OF A CAREER
John Northey - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#168221) #
How to get fun numbers? Use the good ol' Lahman database - - which is free. Checking it we get win leaders for anyone who was ever a Jay.... #1 and #2 are over 300 but one had no wins as a Jay. #3-5 were all parts of the WS wins with #3 & 4 both having 200 lifetime wins For those with 50% or more wins as a Jay the leader is Jimmy Key at 186 total wins, 116 here. Stieb had 99% of his 176 wins here. Clancy, Stottlemyre, Hentgen are the others with 50%+ here and 100+ wins (Halladay was 5 shy entering this year). Roy is the highest of the guys with 100% of his wins here. 220 guys who won a game in the majors have pitched for Toronto. For Saves the #1 guy is someone most here have forgot and few would remember #3 as a Jay. #2 is good ol' Tom Henke who had 70% of his 311 saves here. 9 guys who had 100 lifetime saves or more pitched here with one of them getting all his saves here in Toronto, along with all his wins but he had one loss somewhere else. Just one of these 9 100 save guys is still active. 152 guys who have saved a game in the majors pitched for Toronto at some point. There are 17 guys who never won or saved a game who pitched for the Jays, one who saved a game but never won, 11 who won a single game but never saved one, and one guy who has one save and one win lifetime who pitched here but did neither here.
John Northey - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#168222) #
Looking at the Jays career leaderboard Wells is there right now for Home Runs at #6 with his 145, needing just 4 more to catch Moseby at #5, 34 to reach Barfield, 57 for Bell, 58 for Carter - all reachable by the end of 2008. Then a long wait to catch Delgado (191 more needed).

In RBI Wells is #7, 95 short of Tony Fernandez for #5. Bell is #2 and 222 ahead of Wells. Delgado is the gold again with a 540 RBI lead.

In singles and a couple other categories he shows up but those are the majors. No sign of other active Jays anywhere in the offensive categories.
Magpie - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#168227) #
I was wondering where you found the career leaders who had played for each team?

I probably did it the hard way. I had my list of 30 teams. I began with Aaron and checked off Braves and Brewers. Next man was Bonds and off go Pirates and Giants. Next man was Ruth. And so on and so on. Until I finally found a Diamondback.
Magpie - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#168228) #
No sign of other active Jays anywhere in the offensive categories.

Hang on! Reed Johnson is second all time in being hit by pitches (69 coming into the season. Delgado was 122 times.)
Flex - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#168233) #
As of just moments ago it was announced that Litsch will get another start. Ohka goes to the pen.
Gerry - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#168234) #
Jason Smith has been claimed by the Diamondbacks and is no longer a Blue Jay.
BigTimeRoyalsFan - Wednesday, May 16 2007 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#168235) #
anyone else notice that thomas stopped doing his timing mechanism
thing? is that the reason hes been in such a slump? or is that how hes
trying to get out of it?
brent - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 08:18 AM EDT (#168245) #
Does anyone know the team's batting avg. with RISP? Why have there been so many runners left on base?
AWeb - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 09:14 AM EDT (#168246) #
The Jays are .251/.339/.392 with runners in scoring position. This is terrible; the main culprits so far have been Thomas (.620 OPS), Rios (.697 OPS), Overbay (.672 OPS),...wait, it's most of the team. Reed Johnson, Hill, Phillips and Glaus haven't stunk with runners in scoring position is a shorter list. To contrast, opponents are .277/.372/.477 (which would be the second best hitter on the Jays).

Also, it's odd how quiet it gets when the Jays win a few. I suppose picking apart what went wrong is more satisfying, but Burnett has his ERA down to 3.99 (last year: 3.98) and pitched a complete game with only 103 pitches, Glaus continues to come through huge (stay healthy, stay healthy, no whammies!), and Gibbons made a series of sensible pinch hitting moves (no runs resulted, but getting Stairs and Lind to bat for the middle infielders is always good in my book). Well done Jays, hitting with RISP or not.
John Northey - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#168247) #
Just think, with a bit of luck during Marcum's start the Jays could easily be on a 6 game winning streak, not that there is anything wrong with 5-1 over the past 6. Lets hope the offday today doesn't hurt anything.

The one question is how off will the pen be due to too much rest (wow, good problem!).
Accardo - last used on the 15th for 2 batters
Vermilyea - last used on the 10th for 3 innings
Janssen - last used on the 14th for 2 batters, 5 pitches
Downs - last used on the 14th for 7 batters over 2 1/3 IP
Tallet - last used on the 13th for 2 innings
Frasor - last used on the 13th for 1 inning
Towers - last used on the 9th for 3 innings

So on the 18th Accardo will have had at least 2 full days of rest, everyone else 3 or more days which is still OK but they will be needing bullpen sessions soon if things keep going well. Vermilyea & Towers are now on over a weeks rest each though suggesting the Jays really need to go to a 6 man pen, letting either Vermilyea get time in AAA or Towers time somewhere else.
Ryan Day - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 09:39 AM EDT (#168248) #
I don't know exactly where this team is going to be in September, but I'm pretty comfortable saying this: The Worst is Over.
China fan - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#168250) #
 Everyone's been obsessed with the problems of the Jays pitchers, but actually the team's offence is the biggest problem.  The Jays have the 5th-best pitching in the league (measured by WHIP or by ERA)  but their hitting is only the 9th best in the league (measured by batting average).  Their offence looks a bit better if you focus on HR or SLG but it's still not very good. And it was supposed to be the team's strength this year.

    It's a bit unfair to moan about the pitching, when everyone knew (entering the season) that the pitching would be dodgy.  Everyone knew, after Lilly left and Meche didn't sign, that the Jays were going to have serious problems in the 3, 4 and 5 slots in the rotation.  That's been compounded by injuries to League, Ryan, Chacin, Halladay and Thomson.  Despite all of that, the Jays pitching is still the 5th-best in the league!   That's pretty phenomenal.

    It's the offence that's been disappointing.  Entering the season, the Jays were supposed to have one of the most powerful lineups in the league.  Everyone said the lineup from 1 to 7 would be dangerous.  Aside from shortstop and catcher, this is supposed to be a powerful offence.  And yet it's been distinctly mediocre.  Injuries have been a factor, but the injuries have mostly hit the pitchers, not the hitters.  Johnson has been out, but Lind was supposed to be a great replacement -- instead he is hitting a miserable .231.   Zaun has been out, and Glaus has been hampered.  But what about the rest of the lineup?   Of all the hitters, only three -- Glaus, Rios and Hill -- are having decent seasons so far.

    This, oddly enough, is grounds for optimism.  Despite horrible injuries and some disappointing performances by several key hitters, the Jays are still within six-and-a-half games of the wild card.   If the hitters revert to their expected performance, and if the young pitchers can continue to do well, and if Halladay comes back soon (a lot of ifs, I know), then the Jays could actually improve dramatically.   They could still have a shot at the wild card if the hitters can perform up to their potential.

RhyZa - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#168251) #

It's been alarmingly quiet in here since last night's game, and it left me thinking that there might be some problems with the site.

Then I wondered if it's just that nobody knows how, or if they're allowed, to react when AJ spins such a gem as he did last night, except but to handle with care.  If it makes any difference, I wish he imagined he had to be the ace all the time.

#2JBrumfield - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#168253) #

I have to admit I was concerned around the 2nd and 3rd innings when A.J. was getting hit hard.  That ball Millar crushed left the yard in a hurry.   Kudos to Ryan Roberts for making that great catch at the wall after that face plant into the left field fence on that line drive by Huff.  It sort of reminded me of Devo's catch in the '92 World Series.  I thought that ball was gone as soon as it left the bat.  

Somehow, the offence grinded out enough runs to pull this one out.  Troy Glaus came through with some nice baserunning to score the first run, he saw all the way that Thomas' bloop to centre was going to fall in and it made things easier for him to score on Aaron Hill's single.

I'm really glad A.J. went the distance because I sure as hell didn't want to see Josh Towers or Jason Frasor coming in to that game as they were warming up.  Maybe that was a scare tactic by Gibbons :).

ayjackson - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#168254) #

How else would a bauxite react to a Burnett gem than by number crunching:

AJ has made 9 starts to this point of the season - 3 versus the Detroit/Cleveland and 6 versus the rest of the league.

The lines:

Det/Cle:  12.1 IP, 12.41 ERA, 14 K, 9 W, 2.51 WHIP

RoL:  44 IP, 1.64 ERA, 41K, 20 W, 1.02 WHIP

Just taking out that snowy day in Detroit, he has been ace-like:

54.1 IP, 3.11 ERA, 53 K, 25 W, 1.20 WHIP

He looks like he's having himself a fine season.  Just needs to cut down on the walks a wee bit.

Chuck - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#168255) #

The Jays have the 5th-best pitching in the league (measured by WHIP or by ERA)  but their hitting is only the 9th best in the league (measured by batting average).

Why not use R/G as a metric to evaluate offense? The Jays are tied with LA and Oakland for 9th, at 4.4. Given that those two teams play in less favourable hitting environments, the Jays arguably rank 11th.

While I think that the impression of their offense was overstated at the start of the year (too many expectations of repeat performances of 2006 numbers -- Thomas, Rios, Johnson, Wells, Zaun, Overbay), they really have nowhere to go but up from that 4.4 R/G.

While Glaus figures to regress, Thomas, Overbay and Lind all figure to improve on their first quarter numbers (how could they not?). The catcher and shortstop sinkholes can't get any worse for the balance of the season, a situation that Zaun's return can only ameliorate.

Rios might improve, though his 326/513 has been fine, if a little light in the on-base department. And Wells? Over the past five years, we have seen two versions of the man: Vernon the great, the 900 OPS variety (which we have seen twice) and Vernon the merely good, the 780ish OPS variety (which we have seen three times). 2007 has him looking like the latter, though perhaps his recent illness has contributed to that. 

Matthew E - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#168256) #

I don't know exactly where this team is going to be in September, but I'm pretty comfortable saying this: The Worst is Over.

Ryan: I think Bill Cosby said it best when he said, "Never challenge Worse."

China fan - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#168257) #

     A few other optimistic points:

         1) in addition to the devastating number of injuries, the Jays were hit badly by the flu bug, which seems to have swept through the clubhouse, affecting everyone from Wells to Halladay at various points in the season.  It's further evidence that the team has had freakishly bad luck this season.  Surely it has to change.

        2)  Glaus might slip a bit in the remainder of the season, but the overall performance of the 3B position might not slip.  Don't forget that Glaus has missed a lot of games this year, and his replacements (Smith etc) did pretty badly.  So if Glaus can manage to play the bulk of the remaining games, he'll be replacing ABs that went to inferior hitters in much of the first third of the season. 

       3) in the wild-card race, there's still a chance that Detroit or Cleveland might cool off.   Surely they won't both continue to be well over .600 for the whole season.  If so, the Jays chances look much better.  They've definitely got a crack at 2nd place in the East Division.  And the 2nd-place team in the West division might not be too impressive.  That could leave the wild-card race wide open.

      4)  there's always the possibility that Marcum and Litsch and McGowan -- or two of those three -- could replicate the performance of the unheralded Chacin in his first season in the majors, before the rest of the league figured out his weaknesses.  If so, the rotation suddenly looks much better.  Then, when Halladay returns, the Ohkas and Chacins are just there for back-up depth -- which is where they belong. 

Ryan Day - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#168258) #
Fair point. I accept all responsibility for A.J. Burnett being hit by a meteor before his next start, as well as the Spontaneous Combustion of Troy Glaus.
John Northey - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 12:25 PM EDT (#168259) #
The Jays offence has been, well, offensive so far (as in how bad it smells vs how good it is).

Using to get regulars and OPS+ figures and showing OPS+ 2007/OPS+ Career
CA: Phillips - 63/83, Zaun - 66/88
1B: Overbay - 100/115
2B: Hill - 117/94
3B: Glaus - 186/121
SS: Clayton - 73/77, McDonald - 68/56
LF: Lind - 78/107, Johnson - 97/98
CF: Wells - 116/112
RF: Rios - 122/98 (118 last year)
DH: Thomas - 97/159 (only sub 115 in 2001 over 20 games)

I included regulars and supposed to be regulars and last years regular SS.

So, overachievers...
Glaus by 65
Hill by 23
McDonald by 12 (scary that a 68 is an improvement)
Wells by 4
Rios by 24 (4 better than year, surprise surprise)

Net overachivement = 128 by 4 regulars and one regular sub

Phillips by 20
Zaun by 22
Overbay by 15
Clayton by 4
Lind by 29
Johnson by 1
Thomas by 62

Net underachievement = 153 by 5 regulars and 2 injured regulars.

Quite surprised by how the lineup is almost perfectly split 5-4 for over vs under achievers with 1 over and 2 under among the injured/normal backup. Glaus is drastically over to match Thomas drastically under. Two regulars in the 20's both over and under (counting Phillips/Zaun as one regular). Overbay is the only regular without a matching overachiever to balance his under achievement really.
John Northey - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#168260) #
Y'know, if you said before the season that the Jays would go through what they've gone through and would just be one game back of the Yankees for second in the east on May 17th I suspect most of us would've been happy. Who knew both the Yankees and Jays would go through injuries like they have?
Lefty - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#168261) #
I wish people wouldn't talk like that. This team has enough bad luck already. ;-)
Ryan Day - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#168262) #
And if they didn't have bad luck, they wouldn't have no luck at all.
John Northey - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#168263) #
Good point about the various positions. Lets see totals by position thanks to Avg/OBP/Slg then the players in order of playing time

CA: 194/259/299 Phillips/Zaun/Fasano
1B: 242/321/416 Overbay/Phillips/Stairs
2B: 280/335/480 Hill doing his Ripken impersonation
3B: 331/419/532 Glaus/Smith/McDonald/Roberts
SS: 204/236/285 Clayton/McDonald/Smith
LF: 242/306/376 Lind/Johnson/Stairs/Roberts
CF: 258/324/434 Wells/Rios
RF: 293/337/537 Rios/Stairs
DH: 236/351/382 Thomas/Smith (Smith only as a runner, no PA)
PH: 292/438/542 Stairs/Smith/Zaun/Lind/McDonald/4 others for one PA each

Note: McDonald hit 591/609/773 over 23 PA's at 3B.

So we have sinkholes at CA and SS but even worse than we feared (sub 300 for OBP & Slg for both, sub 200 Avg at CA and almost under 200 at SS). DH & LF both slugging under 400 is also suprising.

For defense the Jays are 7th in defensive efficiency (% of balls in play made into outs), 4th in the AL just behind the Yankees by .1% and ahead of the Red Sox by the same amount. Tampa Bay is 27th and Baltimore 17th - those two are closer to each other than the Jays are to Baltimore.
Maldoff - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#168264) #

I also think something that we're missing when it comes to the offense is the composition of the lineup.  Rios, while a solid hitter, is NOT a leadoff guy. He's a 6-hole guy. Adam Lind, a Matt Stairs for that matter, should not be hitting in the 2-slot. Aaron Hill should be there, with Lind/Stairs in the 7-slot. For some reason, Gibby loves the right-lefty-righty combinations. But with the current construction of the team, it is hampering their ability to create runs.

timpinder - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#168265) #

I'm not worried at all about the offence.  Wells is on pace to hit 17 homers and Thomas 20, no way that happens.  Overbay won't finish the year with a .241 average either.  Lind won't keep hitting .231 with a .288 OBP, and if he does, he'll get some more AAA experience when Johnson comes back.  Glaus will come back down to earth, but Hill and Rios are about where they should be.  Hill's AVG and OBP will probably go up a bit, but his power will likely diminish slightly, since I doubt he'll finish the year with 24 dingers.  Rios' power is right where I thought it would be, he's on pace for 33 homers, but I wouldn't be surprised if his AVG and OBP went up a little from .278 / .326.  As Mike Green pointed out some time ago, this is the first year he didn't play winter ball and so he may take some time to warm up.

Anyway, with the exception of Glaus at 3B and Clayton/McDonald at SS, I expect to see offensive improvement at every position as players start to hit like their career norms and Johnson and Zaun return.  There's reason for optimism with the starting rotation with Halladay/Burnett/McGowan/Marcum/Litsch possible for the rest of the year, and if the hitting picks up like I think it will, well, I think this team will finish the year above .500 at the very least.

Chuck - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#168267) #

Such is the need for arms in Gotham that Pete Walker has signed a minor league deal with the Evil Empire. Recognizing that many here have a soft spot for the man, there's no need to feel conflicted about wishing him well in pinstripes. If he finds himself on the major league roster, that will be symptomatic of some pretty dire circumstances that any success he has will not possibly offset.

Chuck - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#168268) #
Further news from the wire, Craig Wilson has been released. Even though his stock has fallen dramatically over the past couple of years, and he could well be toasty oasty, I'm wondering if he wouldn't serve as a better platoon mate for Lind than Dave Berg, er, Ryan Roberts.
lexomatic - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#168269) #
i think craig wilson would be a drastic improvement on most of the bench. at the very least get back to a 6 man pen. better "platoon" mate for overbay too
ayjackson - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#168274) #

Craig Wilson's OPS for the last five years (2003 - 2007):  871/853/808/760/563

A cautionary trend no doubt, though as recent as last year, his OPS against lefties was 843.

John Northey - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#168275) #
Wow, Craig Wilson for nothing? Sounds tempting at first.

2007 - 172/304/259 over 58 AB's, OPS+ of 55
2006 - 251/314/446 OPS+ of 94, includes a 212/248/365 stint in NY
2005 - 264/387/421 OPS+ of 112
2004 - 264/354/499 OPS+ of 122
2003 - 262/360/511 OPS+ of 125
2002 - 264/355/443 OPS+ of 104
2001 - 310/390/589 OPS+ of 149

He turned 30 last November. Normally drops like this occur at 32 for big slow guys but he seems to have hit the wall at 29 which is very odd. Still, a right handed bat for a couple of weeks at the end of the bench would be nice rather than a 7th reliever.
ChicagoJaysFan - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 06:11 PM EDT (#168279) #

Wilson has always had a pretty noticeable split with his better side being against lefties.  With all the righties in our line-up, I'm not sure that's something that we really need right now (Stairs actually hits righties pretty well right now).

I'm also just tossing this out there, not remembering seeing Wilson for a while, doesn't his drop also seem to coincide with increased enforcement of steroids? 
Just trying to suggest why someone might stop performing so early in their career.
chips - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#168280) #
Miguel Tejada and Brian Roberts may be other examples of this. They have always been suspected of steroid use and look at their power drop off. Tejada is simply not the same hitter he once was. Roberts had 18 home runs 2 years ago prior to the allstar break and then got injured. He never was the same after.
actionjackson - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#168281) #
If I'm an opposing manager against the Jays right now, I do my darndest to ensure I don't use a lefty against the Jays, until they prove they can hit righties, unless you're talking about Sabathia or Kazmir etc. At the quarter mark, the grisly numbers tell you all you need to know:

1) Record vs LH Starting Pitchers:  8-5  (.613);   Record vs RH Starting Pitchers:  10-17  (.370)

2) Batting vs LHP:  .295/.358/.489;   Batting vs RHP:  .240/.312/.395

3) Plate Appearances vs LHP:  405 (or 26.5%);   Plate Appearances vs RHP:  1121 (or 73.5%)

It looks to me like our pre-season fears of the "good ship Blue Jay" listing too far to the right on offense are indeed coming to fruition, at least so far. Perhaps there are sample size issues yet to be corrected, but that is a lot of plate appearances vs RHP and given that at least 2/3 of the remaining PA will be against righties, the prognosis for the offense as constructed, and therefore the team's performance, is not good. Those are whopping splits and a correction needs to be made if this team is going to get up off the mat, whether the young pitchers continue to pitch like Halladay clones or not (and of course they won't). JP's roster construction shortcomings have been beaten to death here, but these numbers are downright pathetic and show just how wrong he was when he said that it didn't matter that the lineup had next to no left handed bats. Despite his vociferous critics, he has made many solid trades and drafted decently, but the 2007 Blue Jay offense is definitely a low point in his tenure. Of course if Overbay, Lind, Thomas and Wells start to crank it up the gap between the splits should start to close and hopefully this post will become irrelevant. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

ChicagoJaysFan - Thursday, May 17 2007 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#168286) #
The splits discussion reminds me of something I thought about earlier and that is the following:

What is the effect on a pitcher/hitter when the line-up starts to bat predominantly from the same side.  Obviously there is the lefty-righty (pitcher-hitter or vice versa) thing, but I don't mean that and am more curious about the effect regardless of the matchup.  For example, Vernon Wells is a right-handed hitter.  Does he hit better when he has 6 other right-handed hitters in the line-up versus when there are only 2 other righties (probably not a situation that has occurred this year)?  Does he hit worse?  Is there no effect?  I would think once the bullpen comes out, there's probably going to be no effect, but against the starter I can see benefits to either side.  The more righties, the more likely the batters are to get an understanding of the pitcher's pattern that day and how the pitches are looking, so the hitter has an advantage that way.  However, from the pitcher side, it may be easier to get your pitches under control as you face more similar batters.  I'm thinking that the location of the batter probably has some effect on how the pitcher aims/hits his spots (outside of a few that are probably great at focusing right in on the catcher) so with more at-bats against similar handed-batters, the pitcher might be better able to understand which pitches are working on a given day.

Either way, there is probably a negligible effect, but I'm curious if anyone knows if there have been any studies to understand this effect (or even if I described the effect well enough for people to understand what I'm talking about).
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