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Game Thread - 4/12 @ Kansas City | 60 comments | Create New Account
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MatO - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#270189) #
Gonzalez down and Wells (Casper) has been called up.
85bluejay - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#270191) #
Old friend,Carlos Villaneuva is off to a nice start with the Cubs - I think he was a great sign at his price  & will outperform more heralded acquisitions from the offseason 
92-93 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#270193) #
I'm very curious to see what happens when Lawrie is ready to return - lose Wells to waivers, trade Davis, or option Bonifacio?
92-93 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#270194) #
(If Wells can handle CF in a pinch I'd trade Rajai and free some $ up in case I want to add a FA RP.)
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#270195) #
I was about to look up 1st inning stats for Jays starters and then thought better of it.
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#270196) #
40 pitches after 1 is insane though.
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#270197) #
Melky can play CF in a pinch 92-93.
#2JBrumfield - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#270199) #
Hooray, Happ gets through the second. That's a sad commentary on the starting rotation.
sam - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#270200) #
"Ballsy" player managing there.
Mike Green - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#270201) #
Obviously you'd like to get 6 innings out of Happ, but this will do for a below-average outing from the 5th starter in your rotation.  Now if the other 4 can do their bit...
Eephus - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#270203) #
Say what you want about Bonifacio and his glove, but by the deliciousness of cookies and milk boy is he fast. We're ten games into the season and he's turned at least three routine hits into an extra base with his wheels. It seems like it's always the kind of hit where your first thought is: "Oh yes! single!" And all of a sudden he's at second base.

Also, Jose Reyes is awesome.

Richard S.S. - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#270204) #
Now we know why Happ is a 5th Starter. A healthy Romero's much better than this. Of course that might not happen any time soon.
Mike Forbes - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#270205) #
Gonna be kind of dramatic here, buuut... Season over for Reyes and maybe Toronto.
CeeBee - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#270206) #
So..... now what. Any good shortstops out there looking for a job.... even a good field-no hit guy?
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#270207) #
This is the worst.
Eephus - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#270208) #
Great. Just as I say that, Reyes hurts himself on a slide. I guess I should never say anything awesome about a Toronto player again.

(Insert many swear words here)

eudaimon - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#270209) #
Can someone give details? I'm only watching Gameday
sam - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#270210) #
That's one of those plays you'll hear Brett Lawrie mention when people ask him to let up. Reyes simply let up and in the process did serious damage to himself.
Mike Forbes - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#270211) #
You love Adam Lind though, right?
Mike Forbes - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#270212) #
Ryan Goins up? Kawasaki?
Ron - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#270213) #
Wow that was painful to watch. Reyes was tearing up and still in serious pain 10 minutes after the injury happened. Hopefully he's only out for a couple of weeks although I wouldn't be surprised if he's out until August/September.
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#270214) #
Details are don't watch the replay. Looks broken. Probably out for months.
BlueJayWay - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#270215) #
Reyes will be out a while I fear.  I feel sick.
sam - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#270216) #
Reyes singles in two, takes off for second. Three quarters the way there he looks back and upon realizing there's a throw attempts to slide. Problem is he's run out of space and his trailing leg/cleat gets stuck underneath him. His angle buckles and folds the wrong way. He immediately grabs his angle in almost shock/trying to hold it in place. It didn't look like he dislocated it as he was moving it after, but it looks real bad.
adrianveidt - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#270217) #
Broken bones don't take months to heal. I just broke my wrist so badly it needed surgery. It will be fully healed in 6 weeks or less. Odds are this injury is not as bad as it looks. Ankles always hurt like hell no matter how severely injured they are. I'm tired of the doom-and-gloom around here. How about thinking positively for a change.
Mike Forbes - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#270218) #
I'm just rattled right now. I know it's only been a few games, but, Reyes has been so good. Brings so much energy and just makes the game look so fun and easy. I need a drink.
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#270219) #
Is Jeter not still out from his broken ankle suffered in Oct?

Agreed that we shouldn't react until we have more info, but this season has not started well.
timpinder - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#270220) #
That looked bad. Severe sprain or break. A couple months. Goins will be up I bet and Lawrie will be back a few days early, maybe even before the 19th.
PeteMoss - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#270221) #
Really depends on what happens. Worst case would be Buster Posey who missed essentially a whole season upon his injury. Also troublesome for a speed guy.
Mike Forbes - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#270222) #
Filling up this thread now, but hear me out...

We move Brett Lawrie to shortstop. Jose Bautista goes in to play thirdbase. Anthony Gose is called up to platoon with Casper Wells in rightfield. That's the best possible team the Jays can field right now. The defense can't get any worse, can it?
sam - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#270223) #
Not broken, sprained. That is the early word. Heading for MRI's now. That's the word according to Wilner.
JB21 - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#270224) #
I guess that's either very good news or very bad news. Fingers crossed.
PeteMoss - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#270225) #
Sprains aren't necessarily better than a break... but doesn't sound like a season ender which is good news.
BlueJayWay - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#270226) #
Yes Jays twitter account says sprain, going for MRI at local hospital.  Presumably that's to check ligaments and such.
timpinder - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#270227) #
In general sprains take longer to heal than breaks.
Richard S.S. - Friday, April 12 2013 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#270228) #
Sprains are not protected as much as breaks or tears are, and that I can speak about from experience. Just biffy trips can be an adventure. Sprains can take as long to heal as breaks and tears will. Most people think you're faking if you take that long, so that's how sprains go.
Mike D - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#270229) #
AA just said that depending on tomorrow's MRI, it could be one month or three months. Three months would be the All-Star Break.

It's a long season.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 12:28 AM EDT (#270233) #
MLB Rumors Trade Rumors site has A.A. already talking with other GMs about a replacement. Are the options in AAA that poor?
Gerry - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 08:57 AM EDT (#270234) #
Jays recalling Kawasaki according to Rosenthal.
CeeBee - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#270235) #
Boy, was I dreaming.... I somehow thought that maybe the Jays had used up all their bad injury Karma last year and this year luck would finally register on the positive side. Murphy's law and all..... hmmm no it couldn't be, could it?
Oceanbound - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#270236) #
Hard to get rid of Murphy's Law when you still employ him on the team, to be fair.
JB21 - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#270237) #
Lawrie was supposed to play in high A today, but the team just announced he's not. Anybody have an update? Good or bad news? Obviously I'm assuming bad, well, just because.
92-93 - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#270238) #
Lost in this horrendous Reyes news is how well Loup pitched last night. It was so nice to see Gibbons allow an effective reliever to stay out there for as long as possible.

Lawrie will probably be fast-tracked to the majors now; with Reyes out it can't hurt to let him get his ABs at the MLB level.
Mike Green - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#270239) #
I am glad that Kawasaki got the promotion.  I hope that they just give him the shortstop job while Reyes is out. If it's only 1 month, it might work out all right.  The turf would probably wear Reyes down, and this injury might mean more gas left in the tank in September.  When he returns from the injury, he can DH some and you hardly lose much in that situation.

I also am pleased that Gibbons let Loup go the final 3 innings.  More of that, please, and the club will have no trouble managing with a 7 man pen.

For the second game in a row, Luis Rivera made a very poor decision to send a runner.  Each time, the game situation called for a 90% shot at success to make it worthwhile and the odds were no better than 50% with good defensive play resulting in the runners being thrown out by a mile.  Last night's decision could easily have cost the team 2-3 runs (the baserunner at third and the out), but Bonifacio and Reyes picked him up later in the inning.  Funny how that works...



China fan - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#270243) #
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I'm puzzled that Kawasaki has played in only 2 of the first 6 games by the Bisons this year, and I hope he's fully ready to be thrown into major-league action. If they were holding him back because of injury or because they wanted to give more development time to Goins, he might not be as sharp as the Jays need him to be.

A key question: should Anthopoulos be willing to trade prospects to acquire a major-league shortstop at this stage of the season? (Marc Hulet, on twitter, is suggesting Tyler Pastornicky as a potential trade target.) It might be a test of the "all-in" theory. If the Jays see this season as their best shot at the playoffs, they should trade a couple of prospects to get the best possible SS to replace Reyes. If they prefer to hoard their remaining prospects (after trading so many of them in the off-season and last season), they might have to risk the loss of some potentially winnable games while Reyes is out.
grjas - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#270244) #
It's interesting to see that despite how dreadful the Jays have played to date, they're still 4 and 6 through the first 10 games. Even the top teams go through more than a few 4 for 10 runs during the year, so if this is as bad as it gets-hopefully- it's liveable.

But with the Reyes injury it's critical of course that the team's SP steps it up significantly. The talent is there to win, even without Reyes offense. Once Lawrie is back, this lineup would still be better than last year's, at least on paper.

A strong showing by Dickey today would sure help recover their spirits after last night's injury. Will be interesting to watch how he fares.
Gerry - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#270245) #
Until Lawrie returns DeRosa will play third and 2 of Bonifacio, Izturis and Kawasaki will play middle infield.

With Lawrie back there will be four guys battling for two spots.

I don't think the Jays will make a trade right now. Is Pastornicky better than Izturis? Better than Kawasaki? Unless you get an upgrade at shortstop, and until you get a more definitive date for Reyes absence, why trade? Why would a team trade an upgrade on Izturis this early in the season?
China fan - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#270246) #
Those are good points, Gerry, but I'm only reporting what Anthopoulos himself has been saying, and several other sources too. A couple of excerpts from MLB Trade Rumors today:

SATURDAY: Toronto may have to wait a week to learn the full extent of Reyes's injury, but may look to add depth up the middle in the meantime, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com. According to Rosenthal, the Jays ... could still look to acquire a player like the recently designated Cody Ransom or the Diamondbacks' Josh Wilson. Other trade targets could include Mike Aviles, John McDonald, Yuniesky Betancourt, Jonathan Herrera, Ramiro Pena, Cesar Izturis, or even Dee Gordon, writes Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star. ESPN.com's Buster Olney offers (on Insider) that McDonald may make sense, since he occupies a limited role with a Pirates club that has other options.

FRIDAY: With Jose Reyes' health in question following a left ankle spain, Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos told reporters (including Brendan Kennedy of the Toronto Star) that he had already talked to other general managers about possible deals to fill the void if the star shortstop is out for an extended period of time.
Mike Green - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#270247) #
Other trade targets could include Mike Aviles

Now that is amusing.  Never let pride stand in the way of a needed injury replacement.  The Aviles for Rogers trade struck me as a bad move at the time, but if AA can arrange a do-over, I'd be doing cartwheels...

As for the players on hand who could replace Reyes,  Bonifacio is not a shortstop.  Izturis seems to have lost range and doesn't have an arm.  Kawasaki is actually a shortstop. 
John Northey - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#270248) #
John McDonald would be funny to get back here.  It would be his 3rd stint here I think.  But at 38 he is really getting long in the tooth.  Cesar Izturis would be funny - stealing PA from his brother - but his offense makes McDonald's look good.  Josh Wilson spent 2011 in the minors is a consistent mid-60's OPS+ guy who had just a -6.2 UZR/150 at SS.  Cody Ransom has a 3.1 UZR but 13.1 last year in 329 IP and has a 81 OPS+ lifetime.  If Cody can cover SS (and it appears he can) I'd grab him since he'd cost nothing to grab off the waiver wire.  After him I'd go for John McDonald (6.1 UZR last year, 19.2 the year before, 7.1 lifetime) as he'd be cheap I'd suspect (just cost cash or a PTBNL for Pittsburgh to trade for on March 20th).

Although in truth I don't see any of those guys being a lot stronger than Kawasaki who is supposed to have a strong glove and ability to hit for average (at least in Japan).  Ideally a mix and match until Reyes comes back soon (I hope).
John Northey - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#270249) #
Geez, just saw online the ball boy incident.
http://nesn.com/2013/04/royals-ball-boy-calls-off-blue-jays-rajai-davis-in-attempt-to-catch-foul-ball-video/
I'm surprised the umps didn't call 'fan interference' on that one.  Very bizarre and should cost the ball boy his job.
eudaimon - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#270251) #
What are the odds that the club chooses to skip Lawrie's rehab and just call him up right away? It's not as if he hasn't played at this spring, and I figure it might be worth the dice roll.

Crazy thought - can Lawrie play SS? He has good range...

Mylegacy - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#270252) #
The demise of Reyes (at such a tender age of the season) reminds me of the importance of my favorite god - Dionysus, as the Greeks knew him, Bacchus as the Romans knew him or Singlemalt as I affectionately refer to him.

While under the influence of the Gifts of the Gods - a solution to our problems offered itself to me in a vision. I suggest Lawrie to SS - after all he spent all of 2012 cutting in front of Escobar and doing his job. At third I suggest Bautista (he'll take one for the team until Reyes gets back). At 2nd I see Boni. In the outfield I see Cabrera, Rasmus and Wells with Davis/Lind being the two headed DH.

Problem solved. Now, for another wee consult with the gods...

John Northey - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#270253) #
Well, if Bautista is willing to play third and Lawrie can play short I say call up Gose and move Rasmus to RF.  That would skyrocket the outfield defense and make this an even faster team.
Mylegacy - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#270254) #
John, you clever little goat - obviously, that would be a wonderful idea!

Clearly, my gods are not as ominiscient as they had led me to believe. Gee - imagine - a god lying to the little people, it's enough to make a man rend one's clothing. 
Dave Rutt - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#270255) #
It's been well-documented that Lawrie's defense at third has surpassed everyone's expectations, and his range is probably his biggest asset. Is it really so crazy to think he could handle third just fine? I'm genuinely asking - anyone with greater scouting acumen wish to chime in?
Dave Rutt - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#270256) #
Handle shortstop, I mean.
John Northey - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#270257) #
It'll be interesting to see what the Jays do.  I was surprised that Bautista did go to third base.  He is much like Joe Carter used to be, in a good way, namely willing to play wherever the team needs him to.  Carter jumped from LF to RF to 1B regularly back in the WS years and it seems Bautista is willing to do RF/3B/1B as needed.  Of course, his defense at third will be ugly.  Still, Reyes wasn't impressive at SS (he has had a negative UZR/150 5 years running including a -0.8 this year) so if Lawrie can match that (possible as he has fantastic range at 3B) then Bautista at third (-6.3 lifetime) could be endurable as long as we get Gose into CF.

For outfield Bautista is -3.2 in RF and Rasmus is -1.6 lifetime in CF (0 last year, 5.8 this).  Gose in CF was 54.9 last year (over 146 innings) and Rasmus lifetime in RF is 56.7 (just 46 innings).  This suggests that an optimal alignment could be a 'wow' in the outfield while 3B/SS is 'ugh' but close to average. 

Now, there are a few major issues.
1) Lawrie would have an increased risk of injury at SS and given how he is that cannot be ignored
2) Bautista would likely be worse than expected at 3B as he hasn't played much there in years (8 innings in 2012/2013 so far)
3) Gose & Rasmus would not produce like _that_ in CF/RF as that would be historic if they did anything close, more likely +10 is the best we could dream of

So what is likely?  Most likely we see Munenori Kawasaki at short to start, then Lawrie at third ASAP.  If Kawasaki flops horribly and none of the options here can do it then we see a trade for a McDonald type.  I see my 'dream' happening only if the Jays are either desperate or Lawrie and Bautista come to them with it.  Gose has a 292/370/417 line in AAA over 6 games but I doubt the Jays bring him up just yet, probably going with Bonifacio and Davis splitting time in the outfield if Bautista goes to third for awhile.  Still, it would be interesting.
Mylegacy - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#270262) #
John, why rain on your own parade? Why let reality into the discussion?

I was getting excited about Cabrera, Gose and Rasmus/Wells (my own little change, a righty and lefty twin mashers platoon in right) With Bautista 3rd, Lawrie SS, Boni 2nd, EE 1st, JPA C, and Lind/Davis at DH.

Bring it on! 

sam - Saturday, April 13 2013 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#270267) #
Dave,

Shortstop is a much different beast than third. Lawrie was moved to third because scouts saw his quick twitch muscles and athleticism and said look he gets himself in trouble when he starts to think and wait for the play or ball. At third you don't have that luxury, the ball is on you in a second or you're making a play such as charging the ball or ranging to your left or right that is just pure athleticism.

At second where he was charged with 25 errors at AA, and much like SS, you're waiting on the play to develop, and part of that is thinking. Take it from someone who has played the position at a high level, that ground ball to you at SS or second takes an eternity to get to you and a lot of things go through your mind--"Where is my glove, is it in the right place?" "Who is running?" "Do I look good doing this?" Before you know it that ball eats you up.

Second and short are feel positions. Coming across the bag to turn two, when to knock the ball down instead of play it clean, when to drop the knee, turning two, cut-offs, subtle movements that make so much difference. The list goes on here. Lawrie doesn't have that in his locker. He has raw athleticism, unbelievable raw baseball tools, but lacks in many regards the nuances of the sport. We see that in his base running and in understanding of situational baseball. When he played second base for those two years with Milwaukee we saw it as well.

This is why you'll hear AA and any scout worth his nickel will tell you, you draft those middle of the field types who show the ability to handle those positions because they can play anywhere and have the feel for the game that every manager loves/needs.

So to answer your question, Lawrie would make sensational plays there, but on the balance, he should not play there.
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