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Brett Lawrie makes his (figurative) return to Milwaukee as the Jays make their way to the Badger State for their penultimate interleague series of 2012. By my count Toronto is 6-6 so far against the Senior Circuit, and the Brewers and Marlins (next series) are the two weakest foes the Jays will face, so they stand a decent chance of posting a winning record against the NL, a heretofore rare occurrence for the boys in blue. With that being said, as of right now lists the Jays Tuesday and Wednesday starters as TBD, and the Jays have lost 10 straight in Milwaukee going back to 1996, so really, anything is possible.

There still aren't announced starters for the Jays on Tuesday and Wednesday (I wrote this part several hours after the previous part). I haven't looked at all the possibilities re: who's pitched when in AAA, AA, but I would assume that Laffey/Villanueva/Perez get at least one of the starts, possibly in tandem. The Jays just purchased Shawn Hill's contract. He's been pitching in independent baseball, and I doubt he'd be ready that soon.

Monday: Henderson Alvarez vs. Randy Wolf

Randy Wolf keeps chugging along, continuing to prove that it's just as important to be left-handed as it is to be good. In the last year of a three-year, $29.75 million contract, Wolf hasn't posted a FIP below 3.95 since 2002, despite pitching in the National League for the duration of his career. He is your proverbial innings eater though, breaking 200 innings six times so far in his career, a mark he is on pace to equal again this year. He's a classic four pitch pitcher, at least depending on how you qualify different fastballs. He throws 2 and 4-seamers, as well as a cut fastball, in the mid to high 80s; overall the heaters, which he throws on half of his pitches, average out at 88 mph. As he's aged Wolf has take to throwing his 83 mph slider more and more, using it about once every five pitches this year; he throws  his curve ball in about the same proportion. At 68 mph, it's the slowest hook in the majors, amongst qualified starters. A high 70s change rounds out Wolf's arsenal. We won't see his brother Jim Wolf umpire this series, as he recuses himself from games in which his brother's team plays. In his last two starts Wolf has gone 6.2 and 7, allowing 1 run and one unearned run, respectively. Lifetime KJ is 3/12, Encarnacion 1/11, Vizquel 5/14 and Rasmus 4/7.

Tuesday: ??? vs. Shaun Marcum

The Jays face old friend Shaun Marcum for the first time since trading him to the Brewers. While much has been made of Lawrie's success in Toronto, the Brewers did make the playoffs last year with Marcum (even if he was awful in the post-season), and in Milwaukee he's now thrown 280+ innings of sub-3.80 FIP baseball (his ERA is even better, at around 3.45). Marcum is still pretty close to the same pitcher he was in Toronto, though some of his patterns have changed. He throws 2 and 4-seamers, as well as a cutter, change, curve and slider. Against righties Marcum will throw the cutter (85 mph) and the curve (73 mph) and slider (80 mph). Against lefties he relies on the change (80 MPH), as well as the fastballs (the 4-seamer is a little harder than the 2-seamer, cumulatively they're around 84-90 mph) avoiding his slider.  The slider is still wicked, and the change up is a very solid weapon, while the cutter has been good historically. With Marcum a free agent at the end of the season and the Brewers essentially out of it, Marcum could be shipped out at some point. As you might surmise, no current Jays have a particular robust sample against Marcum.

Wednesday: ??? vs. Yovani Gallardo

The third member of Milwaukee's putative Big Three (along with Zach Grienke), Gallardo has regressed a bit this season. He's struck out more than a batter an inning for his career, a mark he's hitting exactly on the nose so far this year, but his walk rate has risen to 3.9/9 IP (1/10 batters) from 2.56/9 IP last season. He's not especially effective at limiting home runs, and has about an average BABIP, so the results are an ERA over 4, the first time he's done that in his career (the second time he's had a FIP over 4). Still only 26, Gallardo will pass the 800 inning career mark against the Jays assuming he doesn't get shelled. Gallardo has pretty decent heat, but mostly relies on a varied repertoire to keep hitters off-balance. His 4-seam fastball can run up to 96 (94.5 in his last start), while his two-seamer/cutter runs 87-93.  He throws a hard slider, which can hit 89 mph but sits closer to 87, with a hard curve that usually breaks 80 mph. He used to throw a change up, but has basically phased it out. The fastball and the slider are the plus pitches, though. Gallardo has 9 career home runs and is over the Mendoza line in over 200 career at bats, so throw him cheese at your own peril. Red-Hot Rasmus is 4/13 with a home run and 4 walks career,  Edwin is 2/8, albeit with 2 dingers, and KJ 1/9.


Norichika Aoki RF
Nyjer Morgan/Carlos Gomez CF
Ryan Braun LF
Aramis Ramirez 3B
Corey Hart 1B
Rickie Weeks 2B
C Ransom SS
Martin Maldonado C

George Kottaras will catch a game; regular catcher Jonathan Lucroy has a fractured right hand is out until at least July, which is a blow as he was hitting .345/.387/.583... Aoki is a former Tokyo Yakult Swallow, and one of four players to break the 200 hit barrier in the NPB. He's hitting a pretty solid .287/.353/.446. In the outfield he's quick, but with a weak arm... Corey Hart has seen time in right and at first, but with Mat Gamel out for the year and Travis Ishikawa on the DL, he has taken over first, especially given Aoki's strong play in right. The Brewers have used 9 players at 1st this year, and none have played more than 21 games there... Ryan Braun gets booed everywhere, which he accepts. I think opposing fans are just upset he's has an OPS over 1.000; he's 6th in wOBA... Rickie Weeks is 5th in all-star voting for second base in the NL. This despite hitting .177 in 273 at bats. He's dropped from first to, well, not first in the order, hitting as low as 6th recently.

: Jonathan Lucroy (C) has a broken hand, Mat Gamel (1B) and Alex Gonzalez (SS) are both out with the year with torn knee ligaments. Marco Estrada (P) is about to begin a rehab assignment, Travis Ishikawa (1B) is on a rehab assignment and could be back next series, ditto for Cesar Izturis (SS). Chris Narveson (P) is out for the year with shoulder surgery, while Jose Veras (RP) could be back tonight.

Song to Advance Scout By: I think this is how we've all been feeling with regards to recent rotation woes! Technically the rules are that I should have used the same artist as the Phillies series, but since that wasn't technically an Advance Scout, the deck is clear. We might run into problems though if the Jays sweep Milwaukee...

Chart: A mess this week! I threw Villanueva in there cause I think he starts, but otherwise, who knows! All data from Fangraphs.

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jester00 - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 05:44 PM EDT (#258867) #
Sounds like Marcum is going to miss the start tomorrow due to elbow tightness.  No replacement has been named as of yet (as per Sportsnet twitter).
Mike Green - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#258871) #
We'll call this one the Matuszek Scout. Very informative, as usual, Anders.

I figure that Jeff Mathis will get the start for the Jays on Tuesday, and that Farrell will make a cool move bringing in a reliever to pitch while Mathis moves to the other end of the battery.

Mike Green - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#258872) #
Roger Clemens was acquitted, to no one's real surprise.  His chance of making the Hall of Fame any time soon was not likely affected by this verdict. 
PeteMoss - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#258873) #
With Marcum out we get the rarely seen TBA vs TBA pitching match-up.
Chuck - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#258875) #
Corey Hart's theme music is from Les Miserables (which is even less likely than Sunglasses at Night).
Richard S.S. - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#258876) #
Drabek is under-going his 2nd Tommy John Surgery tomorrow.   Normal recovery time is 12-18 months, however very, very few are worth much 12 months in.   More successful pitchers are in the 16-18 month range.   All bets are off for a two-timer.   Does Drabek even come back effectively?
scottt - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#258877) #
He's still young. I think he eventually comes back strong.
Chuck - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#258880) #
ZiPs vs. xFIP

Drabek 5.80, 4.98 (5.56 FIP)
Morrow 4.12, 3.83
Romero 3.72, 4.36
Alvarez 4.65, 4.47
BlueJayWay - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#258885) #
Can we say Henderson Alvarez's lack of strikeouts has finally caught up to him?  Roof seems to be caving in.
Chuck - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#258886) #
An umpire ineptitude hat trick! Blown calls by each of the base umpires. Maybe the plate umpire can blow a call to complete the sombrero.
scottt - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#258887) #
It has more to do with the large number of hits per game. He's in new record territory and there is no point in burning the bullpen now.

I still think he needs to go work on his secondary stuff.
sam - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#258888) #
BlueJayWay, I'm going to agree with you. From purely an observational point of view, Alvarez doesn't seem to carry himself like the professional either. He has been lackadaisical and sometimes petulant of others. There seems to be a general indifference in his attitude right now. He is not repeating his delivery with much consistency. He has since fallen in love with his slider, which is perhaps the most curious thing considering his success with his fastball and change up. Right now I don't know whose calling the games or if there's any game plan. Considering how worked up Don Wakamatsu is getting right now (or at least compared to his usual stoicism) I would think the issues have something to do with JP Arencibia.
Hodgie - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#258889) #
Does what Eddings apparently defines as a strike zone count Chuck?
neurolaw - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#258890) #
Like Scottt said - his contact rate is way too high. His off speed stuff including his change up are not very good. By the looks of it his slider may never even be an average pitch.

And while he does not walk guys he does not have command.

Chuck - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#258891) #
The dubious strike zone is a given. I have every confidence that he can legitimately blow a safe/out call.
neurolaw - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#258892) #
Sam good point it appears him and JP are not on the same page.

Chuck - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#258893) #

Can we say Henderson Alvarez's lack of strikeouts has finally caught up to him? 
It has more to do with the large number of hits per game.

These arguments are one and the same. Per DIPS, if you aren't striking guys out, you are putting more balls in play and hence yielding more hits.

uglyone - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#258895) #
JPA continues his epic freefall.

won't be long until D'Arnaud is up at this rate.
Hodgie - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#258898) #
It is bad enough that the pitching staff somehow has managed to anger Vexx, but who did what to anger the BABIP gods as well?
BlueJayWay - Monday, June 18 2012 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#258899) #
Yeah I think I want to see d'Arnaud.  The best thing would be Arencibia rebounding somewhat which might up his trade value.
TamRa - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 03:29 AM EDT (#258901) #
IF Hutch somehow avoids TJ and comes back in 4-6 weeks or so, and Alvarez is still struggling, it would be productive, I think, to send the latter down to iron out some things.

Also, I do wish the team was more forthcoming about McGowan. He was supposed to have been pitching by now and there's not even a low murmur about him.

if they consider themselves contenders, they need to be ahead of the end-of-July time frame in attempting to acquire an upgrade. they can't go that long with Alvarez struggling and two stop gaps (as much as I think Villianueva will be okay for the first month or so)

OTOH, I'm not certain that the staff as constituted right now is good enough to be worth bothering to augment with just one guy. Ricky is just being "okay" - Cecil still has to prove himself capeable, and Morrow will be the lone above average guy when he does get back.

If there was good news on McGowan it would be easier to forecast a second half turnaround.

In possibly related news - Shawn Hill is back:

At least the 51's rotation might get a boost.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 09:22 AM EDT (#258905) #
Last night's difficult game did not change my (positive) opinion of Alvarez at all.  For a 22 year old to be put somewhat off his game by strange ball/strike calls is par for the course; it was however painful to watch him failing to field the squeeze bunt which should have been a routine play for him. 

He is throwing the slider much more often this year, although almost always to RHBs.  He needs to work on two things; throwing the high hard one up and in to RHBs and the occasional back-door slider to LHBs.  I may be wrong, but it seems that he is taking something off the fastball more often this year (as has Morrow).  I wonder if one of the effects of this has been to make the change-up less effective, due to too little separation in velocity (at times). 

All of this seems to me to be fixable.

John Northey - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#258906) #
Always worthwhile to dig into the stats and see who is above average/below on the staff so far. Checking FIP (removes fielding from the equation) we see (20+ IP)...

Sub 3: Oliver (good signing AA)
Sub 3.5: Frasor & Morrow
Sub 4.0: Perez
Sub 4.5: Janssen, Hutchison
Now moving into 'uh oh' territory....
Sub 5.0: Romero
Sub 5.5: Villanueva, Cordero
Sub 6.0: Alvarez, Drabek

Checking xFIP those who moved by more than 1/2 a run (all dropped) are...
Janssen (down to 3.44), Hutchison (3.96), Romero (4.37), Villaneuva (4.55), Cordero (4.68), Alvarez (4.54 - nearly a full run drop but still higher than his ERA), Drabek (5.00)

Hrm. Clearly Drabek by all measures was at the end of his rope while the rest have some hope thanks to xFIP (normalizes fly ball to home run rate as well as fielding). Still, only Morrow & Hutch were clearly above average pitchers (sub 4) while Romero and Alvarez were in the zone that could go either way.

This also shows that the Jays defense has been amazing but the home runs on fly balls have also been higher than it should be. Why? Hard to say - perhaps whatever they are teaching the pitchers to do to induce more ground balls also has led to the fly balls that are hit being hit harder or something. Overall it seems to work, but we'll need more than 67 games to know.
Ryan Day - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#258907) #
There was an update about McGowan last week. More shoulder discomfort, not throwing off a mound yet.

It looks pretty unlikely that we'll see him before September, if at all.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#258908) #
John - FIP is a little raw for my tastes. It removes quality of contact entirely from the equation which I just can't quite wrap my head around being the right thing to do.

Especially in this case this year when so many of the Jays are experiencing abnormal BB and HR rates that are more likely to return to career norms than their ERA is to match their FIP (IMO). xFIP is useful as well but it's also obviously not right to just assume league average HR/FB rates for every pitcher.

SIERA attempts to include quality of contact in the data, and while it is by no means perfect, it's at least useful to look at as well.

* = tiny sample size

Sub-2.00 (0, 1*): ---, Chavez* (1.30)
2.00-2.49 (1, 1*): Oliver (2.45), Coello* (2.27)
2.51-2.99 (1): Janssen (2.83)
3.00-3.49 (2, 2*): Frasor (3.30), Perez (3.40), Cecil* (3.21), Laffey* (3.38)
3.50-3.99 (3, 1*): Morrow (3.64), Hutchison (3.83), Villy (3.97), Beck* (3.72)
4.00-4.49 (3, 0*): Cordero (4.20), Romero (4.33), Alvarez (4.49)
4.50-4.99 (0, 2*): Santos* (4.92), Crawford* (4.70)
5.00-Above (1, 3*): Drabek (5.18), Igarashi* (5.23), Carreno* (6.07), Mathis* (12.47

Looking at SIERA, there's only one regular pitcher this year who has shown serious warning signs of disaster - and that's Drabek.

3 other regular pitchers are in the "Iffy" zone - Cordero 4.20, Romero 4.33, Alvarez 4.49. Those are all higher than you'd like to see, especially from guys with their track records. But that's not an horrific performance from any of the three, either.

John Northey - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#258910) #
Very useful stuff uglyone - the more datapoints the better imo.  I've fallen a bit behind on the stats (3 kids do that to you).  SIERA seems useful and it is good to mix and match to try to guess where everyone is.  Still, all methods seem to point to...
A) Morrow & Hutchison being good but not 'WOW'
B) Romero & Alvarez being decent but no better than #3/4 guys this year
C) Drabek getting ML money only because he is on the DL at this point (or at least the only reason he should be earning it)

Romero & Morrow are the only ones with a track record of any kind pre-2012, so what did the various methods say (warn) about before?
Morrow: FIP & xFIP saw him as a 3-3.5 ERA level since becoming a Jay, while SIERA sees 2012 as worse than 2010/2011 (all in the 3.3-3.6 range)
Romero: FIP (4.3/3.6/4.2), xFIP (3.6/3.8) both put him a slight level below Morrow but better than this year.  SIERA 4.2/3.8/3.8 for the past 3 is pretty much the same range.

There are differences, but all 3 seem to have had Morrow as a solid 1/2 (but not Cy Young solid) and Romero as a decent #2/3 guy.  The problem is we still don't have a Roy Halladay/Dave Stieb/Jimmy Key/Roger Clemens but of course those types are not easy to get.  You either develop them or blow a fortune.  Hutch has promise but isn't anywhere near there yet of course, Morrow is showing signs, Romero I doubt will be there (more of a Jim Clancy type, solid guy sneaks into a few AS games but no HOVG or HOF).
Magpie - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#258913) #
I'd be curious to know which of Alvarez' pitches keeps getting hit out of the ball park.
smcs - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#258915) #
I'd be curious to know which of Alvarez' pitches keeps getting hit out of the ball park.

Here it is. This season, he has given up 4 home runs on 166 change ups, but he mostly just throws that to lefties. He's given up 4 HRs to righties on 232 sinkers.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#258916) #
That is actually a very interesting chart, smcs, particularly if one divides up by LHH and RHH.  It seems as though Alvarez is throwing very few change-ups to RHHs, even though those are generating, by far, the most swings and misses.  It might be helpful to throw a few more. 
uglyone - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#258919) #
Interesting stuff there.

From those numbers it seems like his 2seamer / Sinker is still pretty aweseome, but that his 4seamer and Slider are getting torched. Especially his 4seamer.

James W - Tuesday, June 19 2012 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#258920) #
ESPN has 2010 3rd round draft pick Tyler Thornburg making his debut tonight against the Jays and Jesse Chavez.
perlhack - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#258923) #
It looks like the Rockies are removing Jeremy Guthrie from the rotation, and will replace him with...nobody. The team will try using a four-man rotation with each starter limited to about 75 pitches per start.

So, how long will this last?
92-93 - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#258924) #
I don't get AA's roster management. Why keep the guys unavailable today (Chavez, Coello) while sending down one of your bench players (Gomes)? Even if it's so important to keep Chavez up for the rotation (I don't believe it is, Villanueva should be the one to start Monday @ BOS) how does it make sense to keep up the 8th RP who has thrown 3 times in 4 days instead of your platoon 1B/DH and 3rd C?
James W - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#258925) #
I was wondering the same thing, and the best I could come up with is that they think Chavez/Coello are more useful to the club over the next 10 days. I disagree, but I think that they think they need as many arms as they can have, so they didn't want to be without one of those pitchers, especially since they can't recall Crawford for another 8 or 9 days.
Beyonder - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#258926) #
Kevin Goldstein was at the Midwest League All star game, and had comments on Syndergaard and others. He also had something to say about Norris and Musgrove. Anyone with a BP subscrition who could paraphrase?
Mike D - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#258929) #

The Jays have a strong, even overwhelming, organizational mandate to carefully safeguard their money and their prospects.  While it's generally defensible to use in-house solutions for injury problems, they have to face the fact that they simply do not have five healthy MLB-ready starting pitchers within the organization at the present time. 

They have to put their financial and developmental mantras aside and figure out a way to acquire at least one starting pitcher (and at least two if they want to keep Villanueva in the bullpen).  Even if they'd prefer in the abstract to punt this season rather than spend money or part with minor leaguers (also defensible), they will start blowing out bullpen arms if starters repeatedly fail to give them 5 innings.

In other words, doing nothing (despite desperately wanting to do nothing) is not an option.  AA will have to swallow hard and make his first-ever "buy"-motivated in-season trade as a GM.

China fan - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#258932) #
Does anyone have thoughts on David Pauley, claimed on waivers from the Angels, who will go straight into the Jays bullpen? My first reaction, based on his mediocre career numbers and 2012 performance, was "meh." But I also notice that he was lights-out for the Mariners in 2011 with a WHIP of 0.994. Is there any chance of him returning to that calibre of pitching? (Obviously the Angels and Tigers didn't think so. Both dumped him for nothing.)
92-93 - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#258934) #
Bunting with a reliever with one out and two men on base because you didn't bring up any fresh relievers is a fail.
Chuck - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#258937) #

But I also notice that he was lights-out for the Mariners in 2011 with a WHIP of 0.994.

I think his "lights out" status was fairly superficial and doesn't survive scrutiny. His K/9 and BB/9 were at his career rate, so nothing special was happening there. His success was a byproduct of two unusustainably low rates: HR/9 and BABIP (which I calculate to be about .221).

I see a warm replacement level body, nothing more.

Jdog - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#258938) #
I don't understand why everyone is so quick to want to dump Chavez? He has put up great PCL numbers all year and looked good up until he just lost the strike zone in the third inning. I'd like to keep running him out there, his stuff looks good. As for Pauley, I haven't looked at the splits but Seattle makes most pitchers look good just ask Jason Vargas
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#258939) #
Anyone with a BP subscrition who could paraphrase?

- Musgrove has the potential for power stuff
- Norris touched 93 in his debut
- Jays have far and away the most talented young arms in the majors

greenfrog - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#258940) #
That is, more good young arms than anyone else (not "their young arms are more talented than any other team's young arms").
scottt - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#258941) #
That was in line with Chavez's previous performance against the Brewers.

Villanueva to the rotation should be a no brainer.

If Lawrie goes day to day, sending Gomes back to AAA backfires horribly.

I'm not looking forward to the Boston series.

Mike Green - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#258942) #
Chavez and Carreno are not as bad as they looked.  I do however agree that the club is better off (in the absence of another starting pitcher) with Perez and Villanueva in the rotation, and Chavez or Carreno in low leverage relief. 
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#258943) #
David Pauley has a career ERA of 5.45 as a starter with most of his time being logged in a favourable environment in Seattle.  He probably would be an improvement on Robert Coello in the pen. 
Anders - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#258945) #
Jays have far and away the most talented young arms in the majors

young being the operative word.

mathesond - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#258946) #
Did he mean minors?
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#258947) #
"in the majors" means "among MLB organizations".  /rabbit hole
Beyonder - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#258948) #
Many thanks Greenfrog.
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#258950) #

The new wave of Starters is two+ years away.   The wave ahead of them is struggling badly.   If the glaring defiencies the Rotation has shown of this wave don't spur A.A. to an acquisition soon, pre-July 1, it means he's punting the season.   At some point in time in an uninjured season, Drabek, Alvarez and Hutchison would be shut down due to innings limitations.   If the Team was close or closer to a playoff spot, what was A.A. going to do?  He'd need to acquire a good Starter from outside the Organization as well as promoting from within.   This Team was moving forward, why are we stopping now?

Drabek can be 18-24 months away and still never be as good as he was now.   Morrow will be at least 4-6 weeks away, probably after the All Star Break.   It is unlikely we'll see Santos before then as well.   If Hutchison avoids Surgery, he'll need at least 6-8 weeks before his earliest return.   Cecil will get an extended look.   Alvarez needs to learn how to pitch again, he's lost so much that made him so good.   Romero needs to learn he doesn't have to be perfect, he just needs to be Romero, something he hasn't been lately.

One consolation in where this Team is in the Standings, no-ones watching what the Team does.  The Team needs two Starters and a big Bat (being able to make a "Qualifying Offer" after 2013 or 2014 may gain extra Draft Picks - might help).

Dave Till - Wednesday, June 20 2012 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#258953) #
The Jays' current pitching plight deserves one of those old-style 19th century handbills:

(and Canada, Hispaniola, Venezuela, &c)
Are you
*** Strong Of Arm? ***
*** Stout Of Heart? ***
*** Desirous Of Adventure? ***
as a
 for the
Blue Jays Baseball Club of Toronto
(est. 1977)
No Experience Necessary!
Vocational Training Provided!
Young men interested in this Career Opportunity
Should contact J. Farrell, Esq., at the undersigned address.

rtcaino - Thursday, June 21 2012 @ 01:28 AM EDT (#258956) #
"in the majors" means "among MLB organizations".  /rabbit hole

Thanks, MG.

The statement seemed to suggest on the major league roster - which would make little sense.

I guess that is the pitfall of parsing a paraphrase.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 21 2012 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#258958) #
Dave, that is really funny.
Mick Doherty - Thursday, June 21 2012 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#258962) #

Aces and eights, DaVe Till. Aces and eights!


greenfrog - Thursday, June 21 2012 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#258965) #
"Among MLB organizations" - yes. Thanks.
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