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Six games on the road, and I'm gonna make it home....oh, never mind

I've always had the somewhat lazy notion that a good team should play .500 ball on the road. Well, the 2025 Blue Jays have not met that standard, taking a 20-22 road record into this last trip before the All-Star Break. 

I can see a path to get there, but there's many a slip between... however it goes. The Blue Jays have climbed to the top of the AL East by being extremely ungracious hosts (32-16 at home). But just three weeks ago, the White Sox came into the RC with their not very frightening team and took two of three from the home side. They won the opener by kicking Spencer Turnbull and Mason Fluharty around, to win a bullpen game 7-1; they won the finale behind a strong performance by Adrian Houser, who's kind of Chicago's own Eric Lauer (teammates in the Milwaukee rotation a few years back who had since fallen on the Hard Times.)

But we know what really happened. It was all my fault, of course. I was to blame. I admit it freely. In the run-up to that series, I spent several paragraphs gleefully detailing just how historically awful the White Sox had become. I found myself comparing them to some of the worst teams in baseball history. For no good reason. Just because I could. And before I had even finished I was beginning to dread the consequences:

now I'm reeling in horror at the thought of what I've done. Does this have Reverse Jinx written all over it? Have I unwittingly set the table for a sweep by the visitors this weekend? 

Happily, no, not that awful. But even so... Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I'm sorry. My bad. 

There are a few things about the 2025 Blue Jays that are... let's say different. As in, unlike anything we've seen from this team before. Let's scratch the surface of a couple of those things. First, the lineup. The other day I commented that awaiting each day's Blue Jays lineup is the Unfolding of a Mystery. Who's in the outfield today, and where? This is not how Bobby Cox, Cito Gaston, or John Gibbons liked to operate. Like most managers, they very much  preferred a set lineup. Cox, in particular, was practically rigid in his lineup selections. But in general, the players also prefer a set lineup. Players often perform better when they know exactly what is expected of them and when they're expected to provide it. The Blue Jays have been managed by one compulsive juggler (Jimy Williams) and hindsight hasn't made look us back fondly on his tenure.

With the 2025 Blue Jays, you can pretty much count on seeing Bo Bichette at shortstop (81 starts) and Vladimir Guerrero at first base (79 starts.) After that - well, Alejandro Kirk has started 64 games behind the plate, and I think that's more than enough, actually. It's a pace that would see him catch a career high 115 games, and the one other time Kirk played this much (2022) he fell off pretty dramatically in the second half of the season. And two stints on the IL have limited Andres Gimenez to 57 starts at second base.

And that's it. If we define "the regular" as the guy who starts at least half the games at a particular position - and that's how I'm defining it today, that's all, just half! - the Blue Jays do not have a regular third baseman. Or a regular left fielder, centre fielder, right fielder, or designated hitter. George Springer (77 starts) and Ernie Clement (75 starts) will likely be in the batting order, and Addison Barger (57 starts in 73 games since coming up) will probably join them. But where they're taking their gloves each day remains to be seen.  Jimy Williams may have changed his mind as to who was his starting second baseman every six weeks, but he didn't juggle the daily lineup this much. (But I'll tell you who did. Casey Stengel. And Joe Torre. When it works, it really works. And when it doesn't work, you get fired. As Casey and Joe could tell you.)

And then there's the bunting. Modern baseball analytics has generally come down on the Earl Weaver side of the argument. Weaver had some thoughts on the subject, and Earl was never one to keep his thoughts to himself if he could shout them from the nearest rooftop instead: "You only have 27 outs. Don't give them away." and "If you play for one run, that's all you're going to get." In the fullness of time, we mostly found ourselves accepting Weaver's view of the matter. But Schneider's Blue Jays are tied for the AL lead with 20 sac hits, and at this rate they'd wind up with about 35 on the season. 

Obviously, that wouldn't even come close to the franchise record of 81, set by Roy Hartsfield's squad way back in 1977. Hey, it's not like Hartsfield had anyone who could actually hit (except Otto the Swatto.) But those 81 sac hits weren't even close to the lead league. It was a very different time, kids. 

It was such a different time, in fact, that it's worth noting that Earl Weaver's Orioles bunted more frequently than John Schneider's Blue Jays. Each and every year (well, except for the strike year, but if they'd played the 50 missing games... ) It must be acknowledged that Mark Belanger was Weaver's shortstop. The Blade was an amazing defender but he hit a little bit like a pitcher. He led the AL in sac hits a couple of times while playing for Weaver. 

It's also possible that it feels especially strange to us long-term Blue Jays fans and followers because this team has generally shunned the sac bunt ever since Bobby Cox came to town in 1982. Since that day the Blue Jays have almost always bunted less often than the average AL team. They've certainly never led the league in sac hits. They've never come close.  I looked into this on a prior occasion, devised a pretty chart comparing the Jays bunting to the rest of the league, and I've updated it for you here. 

Hey, if I don't use these skills, I'll lose them. Can't have that. The pink line is he AL average, the black line is the Blue Jays.



Isn't that pretty?

You can sure see when Bobby Cox came to town, with Jimy Williams and Cito Gaston following in his path. There's a sudden one-year spike in 1991 - Manuel Lee, no one's idea of a hitter, had taken over at shortstop, and Gaston used him like Weaver used Belanger. And Roberto Alomar had come over from San Diego with his filthy National League ways, and he kept trying to bunt for a hit with men on base. (Hey, if it doesn't work, you advance the runners without hurting your batting average. I strongly suspect Gaston eventually told him he'd much rather see Alomar try to drive the runners in rather than move them over.) The other big one-year spike was in 2008. That team's offence was being absolutely strangled by the fact that they were hitting into double plays at a truly historic rate (on pace to set an all-time MLB record, in fact.) Bunting is one of the things managers resort to in order to stay out of the double play. And poor John Gibbons was trying everything. That lineup also generally featured people like David Eckstein, Joe Inglett, John McDonald, and Marco Scutaro. 

Still, it's interesting to me that it's a John Schneider team that is acting this way, threatening to become the first Blue Jays team ever to lead the league in sac hits. Because what did Schneider do in his first full year on the job? Yup, that's the season where they laid down so few sac bunts that the line on the graph falls right off the page. The 2023 Blue Jays had 4 sac bunts, a possibility not foreseen in any of my philosophy. Four sac bunts, all year. Two by Santiago Espinal, one each by Daulton Varsho and Kevin Kiermaier.

On the one hand, I'm in full agreement with Weaver - the bunt is seldom the best strategic option at any moment in any game. Now that the pitchers have been removed from the batting order, it may never be the "correct" option. And that's certainly how the modern game is played. The two guys on the Blue Jays roster with the most career sac hits are Max Scherzer and Eric Lauer, neither of whom has picked up a bat in years. Five of the 13 position players on the current roster (Kirk, Bichette, Guerrero, Barger, Schneider) have never laid down a sac bunt in their careers, and George Springer's last one was ten years ago. 

On the other hand.… you still need to do it. First and foremost, you need to show the other teams that it's it in your bag. You want them to feel that they have to defend against it. When Ernie Clement comes to the plate with a runner on and nobody out, I want the third baseman playing even with the bag. 

But I think John Schneider has largely adopted the bunt as part of a team-building exercise - we do these things for one another, we do them for the team. This how we - we few, we happy few, we somewhat marginal major-leaguers - this is how we contribute to the winning effort. 

And it seems to be working.

So far.

And finally... happy birthday, Ringo!

Matchups

Mon 7 July - Berrios (4-3, 3.64) vs Burke (4-7, 4.03)
Tue 8 July - Bassitt (8-4, 4.32) vs Civale (1-5, 4.60)
Wed 9 July - Lauer (4-1, 2.65) vs Houser (4-2, 1.60)
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Mike Green - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#463195) #
A reference to Six Days On The Road by Taj Mahal? The Jays did take a Giant Step this past week.

Ernie Clement, like every player, could use a day off during a long stretch of games. Davis Schneider plays second base well enough to take a game for him, and I hope that there's a late change to the lineup for this (and if not that Davis gets the start there tomorrow).
Gerry - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#463196) #
The Jays are three games ahead of the Yankees and Rays. This is despite having the fourth best run differential in the division.

The Jays are 16-10 in one run games, the other two are 12-18 and 13-15.

The Jays are 7-3 in extra innings, the others are 1-6 and 5-3.

Can the Jays maintain their lead despite the run differential, one run games and extra innings results? Or will there be a reversion to the mean?
mathesond - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#463198) #
All the run differential talk reminds me of 2015, when the Jays were a game or so under .500 despite being +100 (ish) in run differential. The story seemed to be the management expected a reversion to the mean, but also made trades to help it along, and the team tore it up in the second half.

If I understand correctly, the run differential post May 1 isn't as stark as the full season RD. Wonder how much (if any) that plays into the internal machinations of our beloved front office.
Magpie - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#463199) #
A reference to Six Days On The Road by Taj Mahal?

I did not know Taj had covered it! I was thinking of Dave Dudley, naturally. Although my man Gram Parsons sang it with the Burritos at Altamont (and there's even video, not that you get to see much of the band.)
hypobole - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#463200) #
Gerry, I think the Jays bullpen has been a large part of the close game success and the other 2 teams failures. Going back to the Shutdowns/Meltdowns stats:

TOR 95 - 44
NYY 74 - 47
TBR 76 - 56

As long as our pen can keep it up, it's superior/much superior to the other 2. Of course there are going to be deadline trades.
christaylor - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#463201) #
Good read and thanks for the smile, Magpie.
Mike Green - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#463203) #
I didn't know about the Gram Parsons version, so we're even! I will remedy that.
hypobole - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#463204) #
Even in Weaver's time, a tie game in the bottom of the 9th or beyond didn't need a 3 run HR. 1 run will do, thank you.

What is missing from Weaver's time in the 70's is the 1st inning sac bunt teams used back then (because that's what #2 hitters are for). Like this I found: "there is some hope that it is lessening this season. Or at least, there would be if not for the San Diego Padres, who piled up five sacrifice hits in the first inning during April."

Oh wait, that's a FG article from 2013.





pooks137 - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#463205) #
So the Jays' current bullpen consists of

- Burr
- Hoffman
- Little
- Sandlin
- Green
- Pina
- Fisher
- Rodriguez

Garcia is currently on the IL and unfortunately has been too injury prone over the last calendar year to be trusted for a stretch run.

It doesn't seem like the team is willing to say goodbye to Green at this point given his salary and bounce back over his last 8 innings or so.

A consideration for acquiring reliever depth between now and the deadline is how many of the 8 slots are up for grabs (mainly based on how many are optionable).

Pina is currently only a long man placeholder for an exhausted bullpen with another 3 games before the off day, so that's one spot.

Burr has just returned (and looked good in his debut appearance), but is possibly still on the bubble. He pitched well last season but doesn't have the track record of some of the other vets and is precarious with no options. If Burr implodes over the next 3 weeks, he could find himself DFAed simply to make room or to bring in a new fresh arm. That's potentially a second spot.

Fisher has options but is currently pitching too well to go down. So barring a Mason Fluharty-style implosion, Fisher is effectively not optionable at present.

Sandlin I believe has options. He's more established than Burr, but has struggled somewhat since his return from the IL. He could potentially be sent down if there's a real roster crunch if he continues to get hit.

Hoffman, Little, Rodriguez are established and aren't going anywhere (I believe only Little can be optioned and he won't be).

So the Jays have roughly 3 bullpen slots that could be upgraded between now and the deadline in Pina, Burr and Sandlin (with Burr likely lost to waivers). Other bullpen candidates with options like Fluharty, Schultz, Lucas, Bruihl, Estrada, Tate, Barnes, etc don't factor into any roster crunch (besides 40-man spots) because they can be stashed at AAA until needed again.

With 3 sports available, it would be nice to have:

- a fireballer setup man RHP
- a competent LHP to give Schneider more options to save Little's arm for platoon matchups
- a multi-inning long man type - this could come from outside the org, or end up being someone like Eric Lauer if a more established SP is acquired
scottt - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#463206) #
Reliever performance can vary after a trade.
Remember in 2015 how the relievers AA acquired underperformed? 
Magpie - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#463207) #
Missed it by that much.
uglyone - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#463208) #
2yr Stats as RP

1. RH Hoffman 108gms, 1.0ip/gm, 73era-, 74fip-, 69xfip-, 1.3war65
2. RH Garcia 61gms, 1.0ip/gm, 91era-, 92fip-, 90xfip-, 0.6war65
3. LH Little 91gms, 1.0ip/gm, 75era-, 92fip-, 83xfip-, 0.5war65
4. RH Fisher 23gms, 1.1ip/gm, 18era-, 25fip-, 60xfip-, 3.0war65
5. RH Rodriguez 34gms, 1.2ip/gm, 57era-, 95fip-, 99xfip-, 1.3war65
6. RH Burr 31gms, 0.9ip/gm, 101era-, 81fip-, 78xfip-, 0.4war65
7. RH Green 92gms, 1.0ip/gm, 76era-, 121fip-, 113xfip-, 0.2war65


8. RH Sandlin 85gms, 0.8ip/gm, 88era-, 126fip-, 107xfip-, -0.3war65
9. LH Fluharty 37gms, 0.9ip/gm, 138era-, 93fip-, 98xfip-, -0.4war65
uglyone - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#463209) #
Rays lose.
electric carrot - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#463210) #
I don't see any really good reason why the jays should lose another game all season.
christaylor - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#463211) #
I'd rank Green at least 3rd and Rodriguez 4th. Little is better than Fluharty.
christaylor - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#463212) #
... and Grilli was a big help in 2016.
Glevin - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#463213) #
I think Jays will almost certainly trade for a reliever but can't see trading for 3. Bullpen is pretty solid so there's diminishing returns on getting more guys. In playoffs, #5 starter and maybe #4 likely go to bullpen anyway.
Gerry - Monday, July 07 2025 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#463214) #
Just looking at the recent hitter recalls from Buffalo.

Roden was recalled May 30th and had 4 at-bats in the week after recall.

Will Wagner was recalled June 28th and had 13 at-bats in his first week after recall.

Joey Loperfido was recalled July 6th and will have seven at-bats in his first two games.

One of these things is not like the others, Schneider obviously has some reservations about Roden.
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