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Ryan Dempster (1-2, 3.30) is scheduled to start for the Red Hose in the series finale. J.A. Happ (2-1, 3.86) gets to pitch on four days rest, pushing R.A. Dickey back a day. The lefty is scheduled to throw his first pitch at 7:07 p.m. Eastern.


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Game Thread — 5/2 vs. Boston | 49 comments | Create New Account
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vw_fan17 - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#271394) #
So, let's see, one day we find out:
-Johnson to DL
-Dickey missing a start

Who's #3 to match the 2012 week from hell where we lost 3 starters? Buerhle, so all 3 acquired pitchers go kablooie in the same week? Morrow, to link to last year? Or Happ, our best pitcher to date?

Cynical minds want to know...

hypobole - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#271395) #
"Dickey missing a start"

I thought he was only pushed back a day.
China fan - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#271396) #
Dickey is still scheduled for Saturday, according to the latest information on the Jays official website (which already lists Romero for Friday). He's not missing a start, he's just being pushed back a day. No need to exaggerate.... the situation is already bad enough, it doesn't require any additional embellishing....
Mike Green - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#271397) #
If Dickey is starting on Saturday, he's not really back a day.  Tonight would have been Johnson's turn, and Friday night Happ's.  Dickey is going on 5 days rest thanks to the off-day and that is hardly a big deal. 
Mike Green - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#271398) #
Bonifacio getting the start at second tonight in place of Izturis against a RHP.  Maybe Izturis is hurt.  Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense. 

Arencibia bats 5th against a RHP.  Sigh. 

vw_fan17 - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#271400) #
He's not missing a start, he's just being pushed back a day.

Sorry, I got the "Johnson missing a start, now to DL, Dickey pushed back a day" mixed together into: Johnson to DL, Dickey missing a start. Too much bad news at once. Yesterday (well, this morning, when I watched/found out the scores) was a bad day to be a Toronto fan - especially if you dislike Boston teams..
electric carrot - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#271402) #
Hayhurst says Bucholz is cheating.   Interesting.
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/9236955/boston-red-sox-manager-john-farrell-miffed-allegations-clay-buchholz
greenfrog - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#271403) #
Ouch - bases loaded, one out, 2-0 count, Dempster's pitch count rising, and Encarnacion swings at a pitcher's pitch (slider or cut fastball low and away). Result: double play.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#271406) #
Technical issues, so I've only got Gameday for the time being.  It looks like Lincoln got jobbed a bit on the 3-2 pitch to Ross and then the strikeout/wild pitch is shown to be just off the inside corner at mid-shin height.  Was it a pitch that Arencibia ought to have blocked?
christaylor - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#271407) #
This is not a fun team to watch, nor is it a fun time to be a Jays fan here in Boston.

That is all.
sam - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#271408) #
Yes. In my opinion, although others may have their own opinions. I've been watching these games through the Boston telecast and what is remarkable is the amount of pitches that catch their strike-zone graphic on the right hand of the screen that Arencibia clearly makes balls. The curveball whose momentum takes Arencibia's glove out of the zone and makes a pitch that is really not at all borderline a ball. It happens I swear three to four times each inning. He is such a poor defender. When they had Wakamatsu he would get on Arencibia to be a better technician. I don't think they have that now and I don't think Arencibia is the type of professional that takes pride in his craft. The clear evidence is passed balls, poor game calling, and sloppy mechanics behind the plate, which I think everyone on this forum has witnessed many times over this year.
Kasi - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#271409) #
Sure Arencibia is sucking it up on defense, but the reason this team is losing so many games lately is their offense, not their defense/pitching. 3 runs against at home is winnable, but not obviously when you score 1 run. 10-19 now, if they don't go on a hot streak soon this season is over.
greenfrog - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#271410) #
What do you do about Arencibia if you're AA? By trading d'Arnaud, the Jays went all in on JP for the next few years. Does he squint and hope that Arencibia is good enough to lead a playoff contender, find him a personal coach, or perhaps concede that he needs a new starting C? It's a bad situation. Catcher is a critical position, and excellent catchers are a scarce resource. Remember when the Jays were the envy of other clubs for their catching depth (Arencibia, d'Arnaud, Jimenez, Perez, Nessy)?

I wonder if part of the problem is that JP knows he no longer has any competition. The position is his, and there is no one around to dethrone him (barring a surprise ascension by Thole).
adrianveidt - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#271412) #
I agree with sam. It sure looks to me like the catching is terrible. And it sounded like both commentators tonight were dancing around the obvious mistakes and poor play and not offering too much pointed criticism.
jerjapan - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#271413) #
For the first time in my 25 years as a fan, I left a close game early.  I simply couldn't handle another walk.  We were in the LF bleachers and Cabrera was an absolute pylon, not even running hard for doubles.  An aggressive defender has a chance in those cases.  add three Ks to that 'performance' and we may have my least favourite Blue Jay ever.  Bautista had three off-target throws ... Happ had 60+ pitches midway through the third inning ... EE hit into double plays in his first two at bats ... just a brutal, brutal game.  the final score doesn't do justice to how awful this team was. 
timpinder - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#271414) #
The catching IS terrible. Arencibia is Rod Barajas except with a worse career OBP, terrible defense, brutal game calling, and a 29% strikeout (16% for Barajas). Yet for some inexplicable reason Barajas was a backup and Arencibia starts all but one game per weak. Arencibia is my least favorite player since Shea Hillenbrand. He's awful. The sooner the brass figures this out the better for the Jays.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#271415) #
I'm with you.  I don't think the Jays are going much of anywhere with Arencibia as their primary catcher.  As far as I can tell, the list of things he does well is

-hits some homeruns

That is all.  It's kind of a problem when you have a catcher that can't, you know, actually catch.  He's also about the worst I've ever seen at framing pitches.  Constantly pushes everything outside the zone.

Anyway a cluster of longballs doesn't overcome the .260 obp and poor defense.

dan gordon - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#271417) #
The Blue Jays have a team OBP of .293.  Only Miami and the White Sox are worse.   Unless they can get a lot more people on base, this team is going nowhere.  Notable on-base-machines John Buck, Yunieski Betancourt and Jeff Francoer have better on base %'s than the Blue Jays.
timpinder - Thursday, May 02 2013 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#271418) #
And yet from what I've read, in Arencibia's mind he's Johnny Bench incarnate. Also, since his introduction around 3.5 years ago, Arencibia is a total 1.9 WAR. Wow. This certainly doesn't scream of a starting catcher for a supposed playoff team....
katman - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#271419) #
JPA sounds like he might make an OK DH, with the bonus of being a backup catcher.

Our problem is that trading d'Arnaud doesn't let us make that move any more, unless we find a new front line starter outside. Along with a LF and a 2B for 2014.

If Gose continues to progress, LF could solve itself. I'd like to see what Negrych could do in 2013, and DFA Bonifacio, but I'm not hugely hopeful of finding a long-term solution that way. Which means we'd go into 2014 with C, 2B, and SP as major needs.

That's a lot, we don't have the budget to pull a repeat of 2013, and our farm would be destroyed if we used it to swing the required trades.

The Braves' rule is 60 games before a verdict, and I'm willing to stick with that. But if we see then what we're seeing now, I'm afraid the only answer becomes "blow up the team." That's depressing logic, so if someone can put a hole in it and show me another path, have at it.
Four Seamer - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#271420) #
Arencibia is, to me, exhibit A as to why as badly as AA appears to have miscalculated in the deals made with the Marlins and Mets (let's leave aside the Cabrera signing, which apart from being a terrible baseball move was appalling in its cynicism and which he never should have been allowed to make if Paul Beeston were still alive), his biggest error in judgement was in overrating the players he did have on hand. JPA, Rasmus, Lind, the bullpen but for Janssen, Romero - it was no accident that this was a second division ballclub last year. Even the two best contributors with the bat are liabilties in the field, and frankly the jury is still out on how productive a ballplayer Lawrie is going to be. I don't know whether to ascribe it to faulty judgement or hubris, but either way his bet that he could make a contender out of this group with a few bold trades is looking like it's going to end in disaster, and perhaps unemployment.
Thomas - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:34 AM EDT (#271422) #
which he never should have been allowed to make if Paul Beeston were still alive)

Rumours of his death have been greatly exaggerated?

stevieboy22 - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 03:11 AM EDT (#271423) #
I read somewhere that Rogers executives were putting pressure on AA to start spending and he didn't necessarily think the team was ready. So I figure he looked at guys like Peavey and Cabrera and thought, "Hey I can bring these guys in for a couple years, until the kids are ready. And who knows maybe we catch lightning in a bottle like the Orioles did last year."

The Peavey deal falls apart. But then the Marlins deal comes along and apparently half the people in the Jays front office were against it.. I would love to know who these people were and what their reasoning was.

Alex puts together the largest scouting staff in baseball and they make a trade with the Marlins that looks awful on the scouting side... I'm a casual baseball fan, so I could be wrong but.. Bonifacio looks like a disaster defensively. Buerhle's stuff looks like it won't be able to compete in the AL East and Josh Johnson doesn't look anything close to a guy who is suppose to command a Greinke type deal this off season... To make matters worse all the big contracts they took on were back loaded...

AA had a plan, and that plan was to be a "value whore" until the time was right to pounce. He made it clear he was done going the time to pounce was when he took those contracts from the Marlins, which is fine... But was the time right? This team went into the season with 4 starters who had career on base percentages 320 or lower.. And one of them is the DH!!

To make matters worse... It feels like nothing is going right, but there is a lot of stuff going wrong..
John Northey - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 07:25 AM EDT (#271424) #
There is an old rule, teams are never as bad as they look when things are going bad, and never as good as they seem to be when things are going good.  The Jays are in a very, very bad streak.

No one thought both Bonifacio and Izturis would have a sub 40 OPS+ (70's would've been what most saw as basement for them).  No one predicted Cabrera to have a 53 OPS+ (the worst case had him in the 90's).  Those 3 are a major part of the offensive problem.  Losing Reyes as early as he went down was a shocker too.   Most of the rest of the lineup is in eyeshot of expectations - EE is up to 112 OPS+, Bautista 120, JPA is down to 108, Rasmus at 101 - shift 15 from JPA to Bautista and you are probably at lower end of expectations across the board.

The rotation?  Ugh.  Two guys now have decent ERA+'s in Dickey (95) and Happ (107 after last night).  Morrow is below worst case but in eyeshot (81 - a couple good starts gets him to the 90's which is his bottom end), but the Marlins pair of Johnson & Buehrle are both in the 60's which is unacceptable. 

The pen has a big 2 in Janssen and Cecil.  Delabar has been wild (6.9 BB/9) but effective.  Rogers can't K anyone (3.8 K/9) and Oliver has more problems (3.3) while Loup is similar (4.5) but has not been used appropriately (39 PA for RH vs 25 for LH).  Losing Santos (again) is an issue.  Might be close to time to call up Joel Carreno as he is doing 'wow' work in AA so far.  Of course, many in AAA and AA have great K numbers but Carreno's walk rate is also a 'wow' to go with the K rate.  Keep it up for May and I suspect we see him in June.
Dave Till - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#271427) #
I was about to make the same point that John Northey made: no team is as bad as it looks when they are struggling. The 2013 Jays might not be as good as we thought they were going to be, and they might already be out of contention, but they will get at least a little bit better.

There are some fascinating numbers in the Jays' 2013 stats so far, if you manage to look past the mangled limbs and shattered dreams. For example: J.P. Arencibia has clearly decided to go the all-or-nothing route - he has 15 extra-base hits, 2 walks, and 40 strikeouts. His on-base percentage is cruddy, but that's a lot of long balls.

Adam Lind has gone the other way. He's obviously trying hard to lay off pitches he can't hit, as his on-base percentage is .390, his strikeout rate is way down, and he has no power. He's being carefully protected against lefties, but still.

As for the pitching: the starters have been sucking, but imagine what the Jays would be like without the trades. The rotation would have been Happ, Romero, maybe Aaron Laffey, and I dunno. If you think the starting rotation is bad now, imagine what that would have been like. With the offense in a slump, the Jays would probably have been 5-24 or something by now.
John Northey - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 10:38 AM EDT (#271428) #
Great point Dave.  Lets see, without trades and assuming the Jays were shooting for a 2014 playoff chase...
1B/DH: same
2B: probably the same ($3 mil for Izturis wasn't much)
3B: same
SS: Hechavarria (53 OPS+) or Escobar (44 OPS+) instead of Reyes (168 OPS+) and Kawasaki (66 OPS+)
LF: Davis (91) or Gose (727 OPS in AAA) or Sierra (923 OPS in AAA) instead of Cabrera (53 OPS+)
CF: same
RF: same
CA: same, maybe different backup maybe not.

So LF might be better (although Davis isn't exactly a world beater and Gose isn't doing 'wow' but Sierra might have won it), SS a bit worse.

Rotation...
Gone: Dickey (95 ERA+), Buehrle (66 ERA+), Johnson (63 ERA+)
In: The assortment of 8th relievers we've seen.  Ugh.

Bullpen: Identical.

So basically it would be an even uglier rotation, the pen stressed beyond belief, and an offense/defense that is close to what we have.
electric carrot - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#271429) #
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but I think this team is pretty well cooked for 2013. Yes, it will get better -- but I really don't think many good teams can be this bad for this long and still expect to be in it in Sept. Of course we know there are notable exceptions and who knows maybe we'll be one of them but we'll really need to awfully good for most of the rest of the year. We just lost 6 of 7 against our greatest division foes and we were terrible before that. I still support all the trades and moves in the offseason but this flat footed start has been deadly. What a drag.
Alex Obal - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#271430) #
The rotation would have been Happ, Romero, maybe Aaron Laffey, and I dunno.

They likely would've brought back Carlos Villanueva, who at this point would be in a close battle with Janssen to serve as Toronto's all-star representative...
92-93 - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#271431) #
I agree with everything said here about Arencibia's defense; it's simply horrendous. I felt like there quite a few pitches that JA Happ would have gotten with a competent C who doesn't stab at every ball. JA seemed to be getting very frustrated, and I don't necessarily think it was at the ump. On one of the pitches he threw one right down the middle that Arencibia boxed under the guise of thinking it was a different pitch, though it was a fastball and Happ was behind in the count and throwing primarily fastballs at the time. It's one thing if Arencibia was an elite hitter warranting this heavy usage, but he clearly isn't.

When Colby Rasmus is leading the team in BA you know there's a very serious problem.
Lylemcr - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#271432) #

There is a real hate on for JPA on this blog.  I don't get it.  I do get that he is not Carlos Santana or Weiters, but there are a lot of teams that have don't have better catchers than JPA (at least offensively).  I wouldn't want the Red Sox Catchers(Napoli is 1B), nor the Yankees, nor the Rays.  The only team in the AL East that has a better catcher than JPA is Baltimore.  Am I way off base here?  I wish he had a better OBP, but there is a shortage of good offensive catchers in the league.  It is what it is....

I tell you what people don't like is that JPA likes the camera..alot and comes off a bit arrogant.  Also, everyone thought that D'Arnard was the answer to our dreams.  (But it looks like he might be made of glass)

So, JPA is not great, but he is not the problem with the Jays.  We don't pay him to lift the Jays offense.  We pay him to be a bottom of the order guy. He is hitting #5 because of other people that we pay for offense are not hitting.  I don't ever see him as a #5 hitter.  If he is, it is either a miracle or our offense stinks.(right now, it is the later)

Magpie - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#271433) #
I think this team is pretty well cooked for 2013. Yes, it will get better -- but I really don't think many good teams can be this bad for this long and still expect to be in it in Sept.

That would be the gambler's choice. You have to play with your hair on fire for a long time.

The 2007 Yankees had a 21-29 record on May 29. They ended up winning 94 games. Of course, they had to play .650 ball for almost four months.

The 1989 Jays were in a deeper hole, but they had more time to dig themselves out and a weak AL East to work with (they only needed 89 wins); they only had to play .611 ball for five months.
Magpie - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#271434) #
We don't pay him to lift the Jays offense.

I don't think that's what bothers people about Arencibia. The problem is that he plays a crucial defensive position, and he doesn't play it very well.
Wildrose - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#271435) #
When Colby Rasmus is leading the team in BA you know there's a very serious problem.

I wonder how much of a leash Chad Mottola is on ? It's always struck me as a very odd dynamic , the old hitting coach demoted to being the first base coach (  does he still  help out some of his former pupils hitting wise ? ) ,and the new guy Mottola promoted in his place. This to me seems to be a very strange situation, are the players getting too many mixed messages?
sam - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#271436) #
Lylemcr,

I would disagree. Watching David Ross these past few games and Francisco Cerveli as well, I would take the two over Arencibia in a heart beat. I value defence from that position. I don't know if many will agree with this opinion. Arencibia is a miserable catcher.
greenfrog - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#271437) #
Right now Boston is trouncing Toronto in the battle of the off-seasons. Boston is in great shape in the here and now (major-league roster) and its future looks bright (farm system intact, albatross contracts dumped, resources available for future moves).

Of course, the respective fortunes of the two teams could easily reverse course, but right now Cherington looks very savvy, while AA's star has dimmed a bit.
Mike Green - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#271440) #
I found sam's comment about the influence of Wakamatsu on Arencibia interesting.  I had noticed a deterioration in Arencibia's defence this year which frankly surprised me.  There could be a coaching aspect to it.  The absence of Butterfield similarly isn't helping with the infield defence, I am sure.

With Jimenez' return, there is the possibility of a Thole/Jiminez platoon in the not-so-distant future.  Here's hoping.  With each passing day, I am more and more puzzled with the failure to call up somebody from Buffalo (Thole and/or Negrych would be the obvious first two). You've got players at the major league level who are performing abysmally and without great track records and viable options at triple A. 



Ryan Day - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#271441) #
The Jays certainly gave the impression that the point of acquiring Thole was to have a personal knuckleball caddy, who also happened to be a better-than-average hitting backup catcher. And while "depth" is a good thing, I'm not sure it outweighs the impact of letting Henry Blanco play regularly. Or at all.
John Northey - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#271442) #
I'd agree about the Blanco experiment being near the end.  It made sense to sign him as a backup for the spring in case something went wrong with JPA or Thole, and even to start the season with him if he seemed OK.  But his last 4 seasons have seen OPS+ of 56-132-34-16 below.  That 132 stands out as the exception to the slide to the end for him.  Over the 4 years combined he has had 340 PA with a 72 OPS+ and as a 41 year old catcher odds are not good that he'll end up anywhere near that in the end.  With just 2 singles and a walk so far the team doesn't feel comfortable letting him play it seems - as 17 PA in 29 games shows (95 in a full season).  JPA is going to wear out catching that much, and that might be explaining some of his poor defense too.

Giving it a month was worth a shot, but its past time to call up Thole and tell Blanco to either go to AAA and be the emergency injury backup or be ready to retire.  Let Thole and JPA alternate behind the plate and get JPA rested so he might be able to be a 1/2 decent defensive catcher.

Of course, this all means nothing if Buerle and Johnson don't get it together.  Unless Romero comes in and pitches lights out of course, along with Morrow putting it together and Dickey being solid.  FYI: Dickey has a 3.16 ERA when you remove that horrid 2nd start of the season against Boston (April 7th 7 ER in 4 2/3 IP) thus outside of that game he has been what was advertised (6+ IP in all other games with a max of 4 ER).  If Romero does well I say leave Johnson on the DL as long as you possibly can, or until you figure out a way to put Buehrle on it.
timpinder - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#271443) #
"With each passing day, I am more and more puzzled with the failure to call up somebody from Buffalo"

BINGO

I would bet that if Thole began splitting time with JP you'd see an immediate improvement with the pitchers. I would hope that AA is one more lost series away from pulling the trigger on some moves. But I thought the sweep in NYC would have done that so who knows.
Wildrose - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#271444) #
In fairness to JPA they've ridden him like a rented mule, 218 defensive innings second only to Matt Weiters in the A.L. at 224 , with nobody else particularly close.

Put me down in the bringing up Thole camp. Guaranteeing a guy $ 2.5 to play in AAA for the next two seasons is just downright bizarre roster management when there's a pertinent need for him on the big club.  

greenfrog - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#271445) #
I would be interested in hearing a scout's take on the potential benefits of promoting Thole, Negrych and/or Gose. I seem to recall Keith Law viewing Negrych as a non-prospect.
Ryan Day - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#271446) #
I wouldn't call Negrych a prospect in the sense that he has along & productive career ahead of him in the major leagues. But he does look like he could be a solid role player, which is more than you can say for Bonifacio or Izturis at the moment.
Mike Green - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#271447) #
In Negrych's case, it is important to take account that his competition is Izturis/Bonifacio.  There is reason to believe that Negrych can give you a couple of league average seasons at second base.  That isn't much of a prospect, but it would be quite a step forward from what they have now. 
Mike Green - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#271448) #
You win, Ryan.
hypobole - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#271451) #
"There is reason to believe that Negrych can give you a couple of league average seasons at second base."

Maybe there is, but it's highly unlikely. The guy is 28 and has had 1 hot month in AAA. I'm not saying don't call him up: Bonifacio is nothing short of a disaster. He may do OK at first, but once he gets advance/video scouted, which they don't do in the minors, any holes will get exposed. Marco Scutaro's are few and far between.
Richard S.S. - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#271452) #

I'm going to take the Atlanta view of 60 games as a judgement point.   Where did A.A. replace people? 

Left Field has Melky Cabrera ($16.0 MM over two years), where it had at least 5 others last year.   I need to see more before judging this move (but I don't think he has enough power to be a corner OF).  

Second Base has Maicer Izturis ($10.0 MM + bonus year), where Kelly Johnson played.   He's better defensively, but it's too early to fairly judge his offense (although I think Johnson had more power).  

Shortstop has the almost forgotten Jose Reyes ($96.0 MM over six years + bonus year), where Escobar and Hechavarria were current and the heir.   It was painful watching Jose's loss in judgement, but he will be back sometime in July.   As Lawrie has excellent range at 3B, I think this was a big upgrade.  

Emilio Bonifacio (2nd Arb $2.6 MM)is on the Bench (IF/OF).  As poorly as he's played, I think he gets much better.  This is an upgrade over what we had before.   Henry Blanco ($.75 MM one year) is the Backup Catcher.   His only redeeming feature is he catches the knuckleball, otherwise he is not an upgrade.   Mark DeRosa ($.775 MM one year + bonus year) is on the Bench (IF).   Is he an upgrade over Omar Vizquel?   Yes, but not much of one.

Who did A.A. not replace?

Center Field has Colby Rasmus (2nd Arb $4.675 MM) who's always been a puzzle, just not quite good enough.   Unfortunately, it looks like Gose is not yet ready.

Designated Hitter / First Base has Adam Lind ($5.0 MM + 3 bonus years), who's consistently isn't quite good enough, with brief periods of really good.  

Fourth Outfielder is Rajai Davis ($2.5 MM one year), who's major asset is his speed / baserunning ability.   Nothing else he does is quite good enough.

A.A. probably was thinking Pitching was a priority, and he was right.   It was apparent early that's still an issue.    I don't think the Starters were ready to start the season, but with an underperforming offense, and too many people with defensive issues, especially on turf, things turned ugly first.   It's possible with better offense in the first two weeks Toronto could have won 4 more games, becoming 9-3 instead of 5-7.   I think with all that happened this offseason, A.A. forgot or was unable to acquire an Impact Bat.   Too many upgrades weren't good enough, and too much complacency meant upgardes weren't considered at other positions.  

Any trades will mean taking on salary, all of it.   Any prospects traded will come from AA or AAA as no one else is close enough.  To trade anyone on the roster means they are playing well enuogh to have value - oops.

Mike Green - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#271453) #
Marco Scutaro was a better-than-average player for 5 years.  Scutaro at age 28 was definitely a lesser hitter than Negrych. 

What does Negrych have to do?  Hit .270/.340/.390 and play average defence.  It's not really inconsistent with his minor league career, as a whole.

Magpie - Friday, May 03 2013 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#271468) #
Scutaro at age 28 was definitely a lesser hitter than Negrych

Really? Through age 28, Negrych and Scutaro look pretty similar to me. In 706 minor league games, Negrych has hit .301/.379/.411; in 891 minor league games, Scutaro had hit .289/.369/.433. Scutaro had also played in 212 major league games, hitting .261/.297/.385 - interesting that he'd managed to play 400 more pro games (he did have a one year head start.)

They're also pretty comparable at the AAA level - the biggest difference there might be that more than two-thirds of Scutaro's minor league games came at AAA, compared to less than a quarter of Negrych's.

I suppose it's a bit of a moot point, anyway. Scutaro is mainly interesting because he made a very significant advance as a hitter a few years later, at the major league level, at age 32-33. Which made him a very valuable player, but is rather unusual.
Mike Green - Saturday, May 04 2013 @ 08:40 AM EDT (#271473) #
You're absolutely right, Magpie, about Scutaro's minor league record.  I did it from memory, which is normally very good when it comes to numbers. I've got to check that too now.  This aging thing is no fun whatsoever.

Scutaro was, at age 21, in the Carolina League and hit 10 home runs, walked 35 times and struck out 72 times in 378 at-bats.  He hit .272.  That is a conventional middle infield prospect.  Negrych, the collegian, was in the Carolina League, at age 23, and hit .370 with 5 home runs, 55 walks and 55 strikeouts in 380 at-bats.  He was a later bloomer than Scutaro, as you say, albeit with a little more native hitting ability (probably).

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