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Kris Medlen (1-5, 3.16) opens up the back half of this home-and-home set for the Braves. Esmil Rogers (1-2, 4.56) gets the call on the bump for the Blue Jays, who are depending on a guy who has not made a start in two years. That's not a bad sign at all, right? First pitch from Turner Field is set for 7:10 pm Eastern.

Medlen relies on three pitches a fastball, curveball and changeup according to FanGraphs. The fastball has been around 89-90 miles per hour. His curve has clocked in at 76-77 and his changeup has been around 81-82. Medlen's strikeout percentage is down over six percent from last year to 17 percent and his walk rate is up nearly four percent to just over eight. He's also giving up over 1.14 homers per nine innings, an increase from nearly 0.4 homers per nine in 2012. His run support of 2.59 is among the worst in the National League.

In roster moves, Thad Weber yesterday's losing pitcher after serving up a tater to Brian McCann was sent down to Buffalo and Ramon Ortiz who served up back-to-back gopher balls in relief of the ailing Brandon Morrow was designed for assignment. With any luck, neither will don the Blue Jay blue again.

The injuries just continue to pile up for the Jays with Brett Lawrie set to go on the Disabled List. Andy LaRoche is expected to get the call up from Buffalo. Continuing the "don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining" theme, Morrow may not be ready for his next start and Casey Janssen is less than 100 percent with a sore shoulder. We may see Bisons closer Neil Wagner getting called up as a result.

Even better news, the Jays will be without the DH as they kick off interleague play against the Braves and Padres so that means Adam Lind will be a pinch-hitter.

@BlueJays: Tonight's @BlueJays lineup: Cabrera-LF Bautista-RF Encarnacion-1B Arencibia-C Rasmus-CF Izturis-3B Bonifacio-2B Kawasaki-SS Rogers-P
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Magpie - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 12:57 PM EDT (#272893) #
We have roster moves. Lawrie to the DL, along with the previously mentioned Weber to Buffalo and Ortiz DFA (and eventually Buffalo, most likely.) Say hello to RHPs Todd Redmond and Neil Wagner as well as LHP Juan Perez.

The immortal words of Butch and Sundance come to mind right about now...
Chuck - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#272895) #

The once interesting and insightful Baseball Prospectus devolved, years ago, into little more than a reference book. But this is the time of the year when it starts coming in handy, when you need to learn a thing or two about marginal major leaguers and AAAA soldiers.

Go to index. Check.
Perez, Juan. Check.
There are three of them. Choose the Toronto one. Check.
Read his blurb. Check.
Forego expectations of greatness. Check.
Choose a date on the calendar for his inevitable DFA. June 9. Check.

As for Wagner, he did not even make the book. I wonder if his entrance music might be Ride of the Valkyries. Could be a tad ballsy for a career minor leaguer though his Buffalo numbers look splashy, like they'd warrant the music. I wonder how he feels about the smell of napalm?

robertdudek - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#272896) #
Based on an estimate of starting pitcher current value (regressed), the Jays rank 5th from the bottom in terms of the average value of the current "front four" (Dickey, Morrow, Buerhle and Jenkins).

Bottom 5 are: Minnesota, Houston, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Toronto

Top 5 are: Saint Louis, Detroit, White Sox, Washington, Cincinnati
katman - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#272898) #
I would have thought some 3rd base help would be in order, what with National League games that require switches etc. Not to mention the disaster that followed last time Lawrie was hurt. Andy Laroche (3B) is hitting .295, with .483 SLG and a total OPS of .855. There's reason to believe he'd be more productive with the bat than Lawrie has been so far. We have guys tearing up the league in AAA, who can play decent defense (all we'll get from Derosa, and better than Izturis), and we won't use them. I do not get it.

I do understand Wagner. Janssen is hurt, even though he isn't on the DL. Wagner's ERA and WHIP are both below 1, and he seems to have found some control to go with the 100 mph fastball. I look forward to seeing him pitch.

Perez is an OK reliever, the kind of lefty you look at and think should have been on ML rosters a bit more. The question is whether he's what we need to replace the total loss of our long relief (Ortiz, Weber).

Redmond had a shoulder impingement that kept him off the AAA roster for 41 games, hence his abbreviated record this year. Which isn't great. I don't see much reason why you'd send Weber down and get him, to me you might as well just keep Weber.

Weber for long relief, Wagner for late innings, Laroche for 3B and offensive help while preserving ability to use switches.

The Jays' roster moves and non-moves this year have consistently confused me. This one makes me wonder if there are other injuries to the pitching staff, beyond the roster moves, and the jays are expecting to use a ton of relievers again.

On an only semi-related note, I now fully understand the Mark Buehrle component of the Marlins deal. Expensive, yes, but also true to his dependable history as the only guy left standing. It would be way worse without him.

92-93 - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#272899) #
"Redmond had a shoulder impingement that kept him off the AAA roster for 41 games, hence his abbreviated record this year. Which isn't great. I don't see much reason why you'd send Weber down and get him, to me you might as well just keep Weber."

Weber pitched 3 days in a row. There's no reason to keep him here if you can't use him when you need bullpen help.
John Northey - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#272900) #
Agreed 92-93.  No question the Jays needed lots and lots of pitchers for today as I don't expect more than 3 IP from Rogers.  Dream of 6, but expect 3 or less and plan accordingly.  Thus the cannon pitchers who were called up.  Wonder who is the position player to be used in case of emergency needs on the mound?
92-93 - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#272901) #
Hopefully Gose or Colby!
Chuck - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#272902) #
That stirring you are hearing is Dana Eveland's agent working the phones.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#272903) #
I think I'd rather see Nolin get another shot than this Esmil Rogers experiment. Nolin probably couldn't be worse than last week, and then Rogers would probably be more reliable in relief than the three redshirts.
Wildrose - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#272904) #
So beyond the call-ups who's ready to roll tonight:

 - Janssen ( who knows?)
 -  Loup ( pitched 3 of 4 last games?)
 -  Lincoln ( yes)
 -  Delabar ( 25 pitches last night - they would have to break with their tradition of back/back appearances?)
 -  Cecil ( 29 pitches last night ?)


Wildrose - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#272905) #
To quantify things, the Jays have used 24 different pitchers this year ( maybe 26/27 after tonight ? ) , next in the A.L. are the Angels and Orioles with 21 each. Most teams are in the 17/18 range. The White Sox with 15 have used the least.

Is it true that Jack Morris and Dirk Hayhurst have been pulled off the broadcast crew and  been told to get their arms in shape?

85bluejay - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#272906) #
Bring up all the retreads & AAA pitchers - someone may stick - I hope this FO doesn't panic again and do a Happ like deal - if this team is to make an unlikely move back into wildcard contention, it should be done with the talent that's currently in the Org. - I don't mind Esmil Rogers as a spot starter - Please, no rushing prospects!
FO needs to start thinking about next year - I would like them to inquire about Dustin Ackley - Seattle may be willing to move him.
Mike Green - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#272907) #

If it were my club right now, Stilson, Carreno and LaRoche would be up.  My rotation going forward is Dickey, Buehrle, Cecil, Jenkins and Johnson (pending the return to health of Morrow and conditional on Johnson's good health).  Delabar/Janssen/Loup split the high leverage relief work. 

Today in the Globe, Morrow indicated that his forearm pain started in his previous outing.  Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to send him out for the 8th inning with an 8-4 lead. 


John Northey - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#272908) #
I think it is clear what the Jays should go after this winter is the pitching training staff of the Rays.  The injuries here the past couple of years have been extreme and they've done wonders there in comparison.
ayjackson - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#272909) #
Come clean, Mike. If you were manager, Esmil Rogers and Juan Perez would be tandem starters.
smcs - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#272910) #
Juan Perez certainly has one of the weirdest throwing motions I've ever seen. First time it's memorable because of the placement of the front foot. He doesn't even stride forward -- it's almost a full sideways step. How does he generate any strength from his lower body?
Magpie - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#272911) #
He doesn't even stride forward

He's taking a big stride forward, along with the lurch to third base, but you need the side angle to see it.
Magpie - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#272912) #
It is an unusual delivery, as they were just saying on the broadcast. It's not that there's no follow-through, as they were saying - rather the stride with the front leg is so large that his back leg never catches up. Usually the pitcher's weight moves forward over his lead leg, and his trailing leg rises up behind him. Perez doesn't transfer his body weight over his lead leg. His back leg just kind of tails along behind him.

Danny Jackson was a little like that. Sandy Koufax.
John Northey - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#272913) #
Wagner sure throws hard - up to 99 according to Gameday.  In the minors he has been very good - 10.4 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, 0.3 HR/9.  One would think he would've had more chances by now in the majors, but all he has had is 5 IP so far before tonight.  Odd for a flame thrower to get so little opportunity.
Chuck - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#272914) #
With Perez and now Walden, it's like the Ministry of Silly Walks out there.
hypobole - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#272915) #
Marcus Stroman may not be quite ready for the bigs. Gave up 4 runs in the 1st, then had 5 batters reach base without getting an out in the 2nd.

Final line 1 IP, 7 H, 8 R, 7 ER, 1 BB, 2 K.
Gerry - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#272916) #
At first look Wagner is a grip it and rip it kind of pitcher. He leaves a few in the middle of the zone, seems like a pitcher who will be great one night and hit around the next.
uglyone - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#272917) #
  • Dickey/Morrow/Buehrle/Johnson/Romero: 38gs, 5.6ip/gs, 5.59era
  • Happ/Jenkins/Ortiz/Laffey/Nolin/Rogers: 14gs, 4.6ip/gs, 5.04era
  • hypobole - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#272918) #
    The Rodney Dangerfield crew may get no respect, but they helped get the Jays only their 2nd shutout this year. The last one was way back on April 6th, 48 games ago.
    John Northey - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#272920) #
    Just amazing.  If you told me the Jays would score just 3 runs tonight I'd have said 'dang, another loss'.  Who knew?  The good ol' idea of tandem starters might be the best route for that 5th slot for now.

    Very nice to see the 2 new guys throw 4 2/3 IP  giving up just 1 hit vs 0 BB and 6 K's.  Heck, nice to see that out of any pitcher!

    Super Bluto - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#272921) #
    Easily one of the most pleasurable games I've watched all year, if only because I expected things to fall apart against a very good Atlanta line up, and damn it if they didn't keep confounding expectations. The movement on Perez's pitches was something to see. You guys can cynicize this one all you want with your small sample size crutches; I choose to enjoy it.

    hypobole - Wednesday, May 29 2013 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#272922) #
    In keeping with the Rodney Dangerfield theme, the Star's Brendan Kennedy passed this along on twitter:

    Rogers on the stellar relief from Perez & Wagner: "The new guys, I don't remember their names, but they do a great job. #bluejays

    dan gordon - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 12:59 AM EDT (#272923) #
    The lineup for tomorrow's game will look pretty futile.  The bottom 5 hitters will be Izturis 3B, Bonifacio 2B, Kawasaki SS, Blanco C, Dickey P.  Maybe they'll put DeRosa in at 3B.  Against Mike Minor, one of the better starters in the NL, the Jays will be hard pressed to score anything.  If Minor ever had dreams of throwing a no-hitter... 
    eudaimon - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 01:48 AM EDT (#272924) #
    At least RA isn't the worst hitter, has a better career K% than Arencibia (at least this year)
    hypobole - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 02:13 AM EDT (#272925) #
    "Against Mike Minor, one of the better starters in the NL, the Jays will be hard pressed to score anything. If Minor ever had dreams of throwing a no-hitter..."

    Dan, the Braves play the sub-3-runs-per-game Marlins 19 times this year. Any lineup the Jays put on the field is fearsome next to that group.
    uglyone - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 03:13 AM EDT (#272926) #
    Yeah, I doubt Minor or any other pitcher is thinking no-hitter in any game they have to have to face 3 hitters as good and hot as Bautista (1.081ops), EE (.860), and Cabrera (.896) are in May. not to mention that derosa has smoked lefties this year (.908) and even Bonifacio has an .800ops over his last 15gms.

    Wildrose - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 08:09 AM EDT (#272928) #
    You guys can cynicize this one all you want with your small sample size crutches; I choose to enjoy it.

    I enjoyed it to. Where have these 2 relievers been all year? I was fully expecting more Thad Webber, Mikey Story, Justin Germano etc... in fact I'd never heard of Perez and Wagner until yesterday. Both these guys to the un-trained eye seem to have honest to goodness " stuff ".

    Wagner for some context had the sixth hardest velocity of any pitcher in MLB so far this year.,d

    I'd like to hear more about these two.


    John Northey - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#272929) #
    Neil Wagner: a 21st round draft pick by Cleveland in 2005, he was 22 when he began pro-ball in 2006 in the NYPL (short season) - old for the league and used exclusively in relief as the closer (17 saves in 26 games).  The following year he split between 2 leagues, showing Cleveland noticed his heat and wanted to push him a bit and see if they found a diamond in the rough.  In 2008 he reached AA and with his 11.3 K/9 vs 3.1 BB/9 and a 0.2 HR/9 rate he looked primed to keep climbing.  Then... he stalled.  He'd spend the next 2 years in AA with his BB/9 rate jumping to 4.7 and 4.9 while his K/9 dropped down to 8.6 in 2010.  He was traded early in 2010 to Oakland which turned out to be a very good thing as in 2011 he was promoted to AAA and eventually the majors for a brief cup of coffee.  In 2012 though things fell apart as he saw his K/9 drop to a career low of 8.0, and while his BB/9 and HR/9 were fine (3.3 and 0.4 respectively) his H/9 was way up to 11.1 (his worst) leading to a 5.46 ERA split between San Diego and Oakland's AAA clubs.

    Looking at his career to date, Wagner clearly was solid in the 3 categories viewed as under a pitchers control (K, BB, HR) but not so well in the H/9 category.  This year the H/9 though drastically improved - 4.4 in Buffalo.  His K/9 jumped to 14.2 - his career best and his BB/9 is dead on his career average at 3.5 while not giving up a single HR.  The Jays might have signed him at just the right time.  He was an early sign, November 15th, just 12 days after he became a free agent so clearly the Jays saw something in him.  Lets hope his solid game is the start of something good.
    hypobole - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#272930) #
    Here's some answers on Neil Wagner courtesy BBB's Minor Leaguer - dumped his curve, improved his slider and somehow added velocity.
    dan gordon - Thursday, May 30 2013 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#272935) #
    Well, of course the comment about the no-hitter was purely tongue-in-cheek.  The "a priori" odds of a pitcher throwing a no-hitter on a given day, no matter how easy the matchup, can't be more than about 1 or 2%.  At least they got DeRosa in there and shifted Izturis over to try to get a little more offense in the lineup.  Not that it's helping any, so far.  The last 6 guys in the Jays batting order today have batting averages, as of right now, of ,200, .235, .213, .209, .176 and then the pitcher.  That comp with the Marlins offense would be interesting.
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