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Yesterday we looked at the hitters stats from extended, today it is the pitchers turn. There were 47 pitchers listed on the stats sheet but 11 of those were on rehab or were later promoted to a full season team. That leaves 36 pitchers. Of that 36, 27 threw 20 inninings or more. The most innings thrown by a pitcher was 43 by Jesus Tinoco.

The draft was last week so how are the 2013 draftees doing?

                 IP   ERA   WHIP    K%   BB%
Clinton Hollon  20.1  5.82  1.34  18.3%  6.9%
Evan Smith      36.2  3.48  1.24  19.5%  6.5%
Daniel Lietz    38.0  2.84  1.13  19.1%  7.6%
Connor Greene   21.2  2.97  1.27  23.2%  8.8%
Jake Brentz     32.1  2.80  1.62  14.2% 16.9%

The Jays third round pick, Patrick Murphy, had TJ surgery and has not pitched yet. Clinton Hollon was hit around a bit before he had to have his TJ. Jake Brentz has had some issues with throwing strikes. The other three are somewhat comparable.

How about pitchers drafted before 2013?

                 IP   ERA   WHIP    K%    BB%
Mark Biggs      17.0  5.82  1.76  12.4%  11.1%
Ryan Borucki    27.0  0.67  0.93  30.2%   5.7%
Tyler Gonzales  21.1  8.53  2.37  18.5%  31.8%
Matt Smoral     17.0  6.35  2.00  21.2%  21.2%
Zak Wasilewski  39.1  1.84  1.18  14.7%  12.9%

Four of these pitchers are having trouble with strikes and walks. Wasilewski will have a chance to pitch in Vancouver given that he was in Bluefield last season. Ryan Borucki was a 15th round pick in 2012 because he was injured and needed TJ surgery. He appears to have come back well from the surgery and has the best stats of these starters. Matt Smoral's numbers are disappointing given the high hopes for him this season.

There are a couple of Canadian pitchers in extended. Andrew Case was signed out of the Blue Jay tournament at the RC last fall. He has pitched 34.1 innings with a 3.43 ERA and a 0.82 WHIP. He has only walked two hitters and has 32 K's. Sean Ratcliffe from Ajax, Ontario has pitched 15.1 innings with a 1.79 ERA and a 1.79 WHIP. He has walked 18 and K'd 12, but he has only given up 9 hits.

And here are the pitchers from Latin America.

                 IP   ERA   WHIP    K%    BB%   Birth M/Y
Miguel Burgos   22.0  4.91  1.68  18.5%  11.7%   06-1995
Oscar Cabrera   37.0  2.68  1.30  17.6%   8.8%   05-1994
Miguel Castro   18.3  1.48  0.99  38.6%   8.2%   12-1994
Francisco Diaz  28.0  5.14  1.75   9.8%  15.0%   02-1993
Francis Eduardo 33.0  3.27  1.52  17.5%  12.8%   05-1994  
Jairo Labourt   26.0  1.73  0.85  26.0%   9.0%   03-1994
Angel Perdomo   24.1  1.12  1.45  26.1%  16.8%   05-1994
Francisco Rios  28.0  1.29  1.07  25.4%   8.8%   05-1995
Alejan. Solarte 27.1  2.99  1.25  13.9%  15.6%   09-1994
Starlyn Suriel  40.1  3.14  0.92  23.5%   4.5%   11-1993
Jesus Tinoco    43.0  2.51  1.14  16.3%   7.9%   04-1995

Miguel Castro has a great strikeout rate and a good walk rate. His WHIP and ERA are good too. Jairo Labourt and Starlyn Suriel also have good numbers and they are headed to Vancouver with Castro showing that the best WHIP pitchers got the highest assignments. Those three look like the best of the latin pitchers in extended, from a stats perspective. It should be noted that Suriel has a 50 game drug suspension in his past.

Oscar Cabrera, Francisco Rios and Jesus Tinoco also have good numbers. Cabrera and Tinoco's strikeout rate is lower than the guys headed to Vancouver. Francisco Diaz, Alejandro Solarte, Miguel Burgos, Francis Eduardo and Angel Perdomo have had walk problems. Perdomo at least kept his K rate up.

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tercet - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#288237) #

Disappointing walk rates for Gonzalez, and Smoral.  I guess they will start in the GCL and maybe get a chance at Bluefield?

Mylegacy - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#288238) #
Castro has me giddy...he and Norris, Stroman, Hutch, Osuna and if he ever finds the plate Sanchez...not to mention this years haul...have us almost STACKED at starters with serious upside...
bpoz - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 12:25 PM EDT (#288248) #
The walks killed Labourt & Tirado in Lansing. That was obvious, but they had a history of good control. I imagine their confidence disappeared quite quickly.
JB21 - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#288249) #
As I mentioned in the Hitters thread the Vancouver Canadians' roster has been announced.

I'm definitely not a prospect expert but having Castro, Labourt, & Tirado on the team excites me. I definitely plan on catching some games this year and these three should be fun to watch.

Looking forward to watching Barreto as well. Anybody else on the roster that we, in Van, should be excited about seeing?
bpoz - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#288251) #
I cannot remember their names but a small middle infielder always seemed to play well for the team. I am hoping that G Heidt signs and ends up in Vancouver. He may be this year's little super star.
jensan - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#288252) #
Where is Ryan Borucki going and where is Case playing. Could be a loaded pitching staff.
Gerry - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#288263) #
Andrew Case is in Vancouver where he will pitch out of the bullpen. He didn't start a game in extended. I assume Borucki will be in Bluefield, that roster will be announced next week.
Kelekin - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#288269) #
This is some highly disappointing information. The fact that Gonzales, Smoral, and Brentz can't throw strikes is so unfortunate. There are very few high round draft picks that can't get below a 4 or 5 BB/9, and the fact that we have multiples is not good, considering they were all considered top talents (though Brentz of course slipped due to signability). How can players who are so talented and dominate in high school suddenly be unable to find the strike zone?
jensan - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#288270) #
Just note that Norris was the same way until his mechanics were changed and a consistent manner of throwing occurred.
metafour - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#288271) #
Brentz could never throw strikes. Just an athletic LHP who could throw hard with zero control or command. Great upside, but a complete and total project.

I hated the Gonzalez pick from day one. Super old HS kid with a max effort reliever-delivery and poor command. Also played ball in a warm-weather state (Texas) where they can play baseball year round so its not like you could hope that his poor control was from lack of experience.
Kelekin - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#288279) #
Norris was not "the same way". Norris was pitching with Sanchez-level control last year. There is a steep difference between being in the 4-5 BB/9 range than being above it.

Metafour: I didn't like Gonzales either at the time, but I did like Smoral in 2012. 2013 I'll defer to you because I wasn't around at all for it, so the only thing I ever heard about Brentz was his ranking.

Smoral likely has the best chance of turning it around out of the three, but it's a very faint optimism.
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#288280) #
Catching up with the interwebby, Ryan McBroom and Max Pentecost will be joining the Vancouver group, soon-ish. Vancouver opens the season on the 18th. So it's unlikely much happens before the weekend.
garvin4ever - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#288283) #
Is there more information out there about Perdomo? He sounds like one of the most intriguing of the group.
Gerry - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 08:11 PM EDT (#288285) #
I believe Vancouver opens on Friday, the 13th. I think Bluefield and the GCL start around the 18th.
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#288287) #
Sorry Gerry, the 18th is Vancouver's Home Opener. If Season starts Friday, Pentecost should be signed soon. At least we'll know which Draft picks are signed and assigned there quickly.
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#288290) #
Dave Cameron recently observed that on average, TJ-repaired elbows hold up for about 7 years. If Hoffman returns to form and pitches well for 7 years (with, say, 4-5 of those years in the bigs), that would be a decent return on their #9 overall draft pick. Maybe they get lucky and get an extra year or two above the average, given Hoffman's relative youth.
uglyone - Wednesday, June 11 2014 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#288291) #
How long does the average non-tj arm last?
greenfrog - Thursday, June 12 2014 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#288292) #
You should ask Cameron that during one of his fangraphs chats. I'm assuming when he says that TJ lasts 7 years on avg, he's talking about that ligament repair specifically, not "pitcher arm problems" generally.
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