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The Yankees are definitely going to the post-season, and the Blue Jays - barring the most tragic homestand in franchise history - will be there as well.

The Yankees will finish with the league's second best record, well behind Houston, which is not something that seemed very likely at the All-Star Break. But they're locked into place now. Oh, theoretically the Jays could still overtake them. The Yankees Magic Number is 1, and as long as it's not yet zero... †

At any rate, there's the grim possibility that we will be subjected to the extremely irritating spectacle of the Yankees clinching the division in Our House. The only way the Jays can prevent this is by sweeping the three games, and making them clinch at home against the Orioles.

We may also have to endure Aaron Judge setting a new league record for HRs in a season, leaving Babe Ruth and Roger Maris in his dust. Also in Our House. My teeth are already on edge just thinking about it. Unless the Jays can force him to wait as well until Baltimore comes to New York. And sure - he'd rather have his historic moment in front of the home fans. Wouldn't he?

The Blue Jays, of course, would very much prefer to open their October schedule in front of the home crowd. They would be well advised to try to win each of their three remaining series. Seattle has ten games left, all at home, all against bad teams. The bad teams have been giving the Mariners fits lately, but it's not something one should count on.

The Yankees lead the season series 9-7, but we might note that most of those games were played fairly early on when the Yankees were doing a fairly credible impression of the Best Team Ever. But to review:

We began by splitting four games in the Bronx:

Apr 11: Toronto 3 New York 0 - Alek Manoah opened his season with Auhority, allowing just one hit over six inning. Springer drove in all three runs with a HR and a 2b.

Apr 12: Toronto 0 New York 4 - Nestor Cortes and four relievers shut out the Jays on five hits. Hicks hit a two-run HR off Kikuchi and another run scored when Heineman's pickoff throw to second base sailed into centre field.

Apr 13: Toronto 6 New York 4 - A pair of Guerrero HRs staked Berrios to a 3-0 lead, but the Yankees tied it up on HRs from Rizzo and Judge and doubles from Donaldson and LeMahieu. Springer's RBI single and yet another Guerrero HR put the Jays ahead to stay.

Apr 14: Toronto 0 New York 3 - Luis Severino and six relievers shut out the Jays on five hits, and Trevino had a pair of RBI singles off Gausman, who deserved better.

The teams met in Toronto a couple of weeks later, by which time the Yankees were en fuego, having just won 11 of 12.

May 2: New York 3 Toronto 2 - The Yankees got two off Stripling in the top of the fourth; the Jays tied it off Montgomery in the bottom half. It stayed like that until the ninth, when Locastro stole second and scored on Torres single.

May 3: New York 9 Toronto 1 - Taillon and Manoah were tied 1-1 through six. But in the seventh, the Yankees scored twice against Cimber on a Bichette error and a pair of doubles. Merryweather then came in and threw gasoline on the fire.

May 4: New York 1 Toronto 2 - Yusei Kikuchi was dominant, and he needed to be, as the Jays could only push across two against Cortes. Chapman and Gallo exchanged early HRs, and Guerrero drove in Bichette with the game's only other run.

Later that same week, everyone was back in the Bronx for a couple.

May 10: Toronto 5 New York 6 - The Jays took a quick 3-0 lead, but the Yankees tied it all at once on Stanton's three run HR off Garcia in the sixth. But the Jays scored twice in the eighth, and handed a two run lead to Romano - who walked Trevino and LeMahieu, and gave up a three run walkoff shot to Judge.

May 11: Toronto 3 New York 5 - Torres' three run HR off Berrios was the big blow in this one. The Jays got to within a run, but Torres added a two run single in the sixth.

When the Yankees came to Toronto in the middle of June, they sported a nifty 47-16 record, and promptly proceeded to improve on it.

June 17: New York 12 Toronto 3 - The Yankees scored twice and chased Ross Stripling in the fourth inning. They then indulged themselves. Trent Thornton's fifth inning went HBP, HR (Stanton), HR (LeMahieu), 2B, 2B. Rizzo added a grand slam before the inning was over.

June 18: New York 4 Toronto 0 - The Yankees loaded the bases against Manoah in the fourth and Aaron Hicks cashed in everyone with a double. Taillon and three relievers scattered five hits for the shutout.

June 19: New York 9 Toronto 10 - Guerrero's HR gave the Jays a quick 2-0 lead, but the Yankees scored three against Kikuchi and three more against Cimber. Max Castillo made his MLB debut, and was greeted by HRs from Higashioka and Gonzalez. Trailing 8-3, the Jays fought back in the bottom half, with a Gurriel grand slam. And in the next inning, Hernandez hit a three run HR to put the Jays back on top. The Yankees put the tying and winning runs on base in the ninth, but Romano got Rizzo on a grounder to end it.

But it would be almost two months before these teams would meet again, and when the Jays visited the Bronx in mid-August, the Yankees had lost 11 of their previous 14 games.

August 18: Toronto 9 New York 2 - The Jays abused Frankie Montas early and often, Guerrero's three run HR being the big blow. Jose Berrios was the beneficiary, and he was in fine form himself.

August 19: Toronto 4 New York 0 - Gausman and two relievers scattered four singles for the shutout, and Hernandez's two run HR gave him more than enough support.

August 20: Toronto 5 New York 2 - Mitch White held the Yankees to one run over four innings, and the Jays got to Gerrit Cole in the fifth, thanks to a pair of two-run doubles from Bradley and Kirk. The Yankees had now lost 14 of 17.

August 21: Toronto 2 New York 4 - Manoah and Cortes left after six, and the Jays tied the game at 2-2 on Bradley's bases loaded walk in the seventh. But in the bottom half, Trevino singled, Benintendi hit a two run HR, and Trivino closed it out over the final two innings.

The Yankees have finally got deadline acquisition Harrison Bader into the lineup in centre field. They're still without Andrew Benintendi, and hotshot rookie Oswaldo Cabrera has been getting the LF starts lately. D.J. LeMahieu is still on the IL with a tender toe, though he could be back any day now. Wandy Peralta is the latest reliever to go on the IL, where he and Michael King, Miguel Castro, Chad Green, and Albert Abreu are having jackets made. But Zack Britton made his long awaited 2022 debut the other day, facing five batters and retiring one.

Macbeth: If we should fail?
Lady Macbeth: We fail.
But screw your courage to the sticking place,
And we'll not fail.


Mon 26 Sep - Severino (6-3, 3.36) vs Gausman (12-10, 3.32)
Tue 27 Sep - Taillon (13-5, 3.90) vs Berrios (11-6, 5.27)
Wed 28 Sep - Cole (12-7, 3.49) vs White (1-6, 5.12)
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Mike Green - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#422868) #
With the day off on Thursday, a nice long stint from Gausman today would work wonders, allowing them to lean on the bullpen on Tuesday and Wednesday (if necessary). 
Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#422876) #
But screw your courage to the sticking place

Good line, that, which is why Lin-Manuel Miranda borrowed it for his little production. Its etymology needed my research, by which I mean clackety-clackety-clackety-google. Evidently a crossbow is attached to a screw and when fully tightened, it is at its most taut, awaiting being fired. Or something like that.

Magpie - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#422878) #
Not only do you get Shakespeare here, you get a helpful gloss!

I confess, I'd never even bothered to reflect on what ol' Will was talking about there. The Scottish lady was so emphatic that any and all questioning was discouraged. Strange to think those lines were originally performed by a twelve year old boy...
Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#422879) #
The Hamilton trivia you didn't ask for... The play Macbeth is referenced a couple of times in the song Take a Break. First, by Hamilton, to his sister-in-law Angelica, likening himself to Macbeth, explaining why he will have difficulty getting his plans through Congress. And then by Angelica, encouraging him to take a break anyway, and to be confident that he will succeed in spite of it.

Fittingly, Hamilton's foe is named Aaron and two such pinstriped characters are in town to play the role of villain (though one of the Aarons, frankly, has minimal chances of filling that role). If the main Aaron gets his shot off, it will be another historic event.

Magpie - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#422881) #
Aaron is also the villain in Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus and he's about as nasty a piece of work as has ever been devised by mortal mind.
vw_fan17 - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#422882) #
But screw your courage to the sticking place

My english teacher said the sticking place was a piece of gender-specific anatomy. So a more modern translation might be "man up", or "grow a pair".
Mike Green - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#422883) #
What was up with Vladdy on that double by Rizzo?  It was so close to him, and he didn't seem to make any effort to stop it at least. 
Nigel - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#422884) #
So its either "lock and load" or "grow a pair"? Shakespeare really was ahead of his time.
Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#422885) #
It was so close to him, and he didn't seem to make any effort

Couldn't move. He was screwed to his sticking place.

Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#422886) #
NASA has successfully hit Dimorphos. For good measure, Judge might as well.
Mike Green - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#422887) #
I guess they're going to have add Shakespeare to bunting for next spring training.  Screw your courage to the sticking place, boys, not your body! 

dalimon5 - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#422888) #
Great hustle by Vladdy.
uglyone - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#422889) #
vladdy didn't dog it on that one at least.
Mike Green - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#422890) #
I was surprised that Vladdy beat that one out.  Good effort. 
uglyone - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#422891) #
Petey Baseball - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#422892) #
Despite the excellent at bats that inning and Hernandez missing a grand slam by less than a foot it feels lik4 they left some meat on the bone.
Mike Green - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#422893) #
Laz Diaz has a fair strike zone today.  I can't say that I was expecting that, but small mercies.
uglyone - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#422894) #
Buck wants you to know that while 61 homers is nice and all it's the fact that Judge is also the rbi leader which is really special.
Mike Green - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#422895) #
I spoke too soon about Diaz' strike zone.  That was a bad miss.
Magpie - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#422896) #
Only to Judge. That's knee height for normal guys.
Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#422897) #
At some point, Judge switched from traditional length baseball pants to the shorter ones, to give the umpires a good clear look at the location of his knees. He still gets screwed on a ton of low pitches.
Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#422898) #
it's the fact that Judge is also the rbi leader which is really special

You measure offensive ability with RBI and defensive ability with errors. Everything else is newfangled analytics invented by nerds.

lexomatic - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#422900) #
I guess Merrifield is a good person to have as a runner starting extras
blu-j - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#422901) #
But it's Biggio on second -- And thank goodness Vladdy delivered!!!!
jerjapan - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#422902) #
Yes guy!
grjas - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#422903) #
Good for VLADDY
uglyone - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#422904) #
Yeaaahhh baby.

This IS your house Vladito.
Magpie - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#422905) #
September baseball. The best.
dalimon5 - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#422906) #
ďMy howse. My howse. My howse.Ē

Gotta love it.
Geoff - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#422907) #
Junior definitely needed that fortification to his confidence. Hopefully that gets him into the proper swagger and focus he's been searching for in the past month. Just looking for the taste, here he finds it.
jerjapan - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#422908) #
I hope vladdy feels good enough about his English to talk without a translator sometime, cause we all love the kid. Esl teacher speaking, this guy can communicate in English, but people learning a language in public donít want to make mistakes. This is Toronto. Diversity is dope, this diverse team is dope. I want vladdy to feel comfortable in English, cause who cares if he canít quote the bard?
Chuck - Monday, September 26 2022 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#422909) #
I hope vladdy feels good enough about his English to talk without a translator sometime

He took baby steps before the game when he, sans interpreter, and Chapman were interviewed before the game. Talking to a full house will be something he builds up to.

lexomatic - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:03 AM EDT (#422910) #
<br>But it's Biggio on second -- And thank goodness Vladdy delivered!!!!

I don't actually know the rules for extra inning runner and just assumed last batter out. No idea who's faster Biggio or Merrifield. Glad it worked out.
Jonny German - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:04 AM EDT (#422911) #
You are correct, the last batter out in the 9th becomes the Manfred Man in the 10th. What you missed was that Biggio pinch hit for Merrifield in the 9th.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:32 AM EDT (#422912) #
Chuck - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#422914) #
Yankee fans bemoaning Boone not doing the "obvious" and walking Guerrero have last year's Guerrero in mind. When interviewed, Boone cited the decision between Guerrero and Kirk as "pick your poison" and even included Bichette in the calculus, admitting that they pondered walking him.

Ain't nothing like 20/20 hindsight to bring out the geniuses.

electric carrot - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:06 AM EDT (#422915) #
I just looked at the stats of our hitters and its kind of incredible how so many of our guys have OBP low to mid 300s and slugging mid to high 400s.

I've never seen anything like this.

uglyone - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#422917) #
I mean, I would have still walked Guerrero there. and there was no need to pick a poison, bichette was already out.

vladdy may not be last year's vladdy but he's still vladdy, and one of the reasons he's not as good this year is that pitchers aren't throwing him any strikes....and that was a strike he hit there.
Chuck - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:42 AM EDT (#422919) #
I've never seen anything like this.

And Jansen fits in with your group. He could replace one of the superfluous Chapmen, which was probably your intention.

The team has 7 RH hitters with a wRC+ between 122 and 134. Makes for a new hero every night.

Chuck - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#422920) #
I mean, I would have still walked Guerrero there.

Sure, but you've got the heart of a poet, not an actuary.

uglyone - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#422921) #
aw shucks.
bpoz - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#422922) #
Last 4 series of the season are TB, NYY, Boston and Baltimore. Very interesting AL East head to head competition. Playoff jockeying.

For next year I expect Boston to add and have Sale back. Baltimore has said that they will spend. So some good additions there. If NYY does not win the WS their fans will be upset and probably complaining. So they probably add if they have the money after paying Judge.

I don't expect anything much from TB and Toronto. The #4/5 SP will be a competition between M White, Kikuchi, Pearson, Hatch, Thornton, Kay and 2-4 additions that are not much.
electric carrot - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#422923) #
And Jansen fits in with your group

Yes, replace a Chapman with Jansen and you arrive at my intention.
John Northey - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#422924) #
Judge will be very, very interesting this winter. He is from California so he might have a bit of a pull to go home, but he also knows this is his biggest contract shot so he'll probably go to whoever offers the most. The Mets have an owner who loves headlines, the Dodgers are mega rich, and I'm sure a couple others would consider blowing the budget to get a triple crown 60 HR guy. The Jays could do it, but won't - the current GM/president aren't the types to risk hundreds of millions on a guy the wrong side of 30 no matter how good he is - plus they want to keep the vault for Vlad & Bo and hopefully will sign one or both to long term deals this winter before Judge breaks the vault somewhere.

With the Jays 2 1/2 ahead of the Rays with 8 to play (9 left for the Rays) odds are good but not a lock. Want to maintain or increase that lead by Monday.

Seattle is 83-69 vs the Jays 87-67, 3 back with 10 games left for Seattle (double header Tuesday). I liked their odds but that is a tough way to end the season (10 games in 9 days), even against the weaker teams. For them to gain 3 games on the Jays they'll have to nearly sweep what's left and the Jays play no better than 500 ball. Could happen, but not likely.

This winter will be very interesting - each winter the Jays have signed a big free agent (Ryu in 20, Springer 21, Gausman 22) so who do they get this winter? Or do they sit it out and just extend some guys and do a trade involving their catching depth? Free agents are JBJ, Stripling, Phelps. With next winters being Ryu, Chapman, Teoscar, Gurriel, Tapia, Bass (has option for 23), and Cimber. So this winter has 1 hard choice (Springer) but next has a LOT (Chapman, Teoscar, Gurriel). I wouldn't be surprised to see Cimber signed to a 2 or 3 year deal this winter.
Leaside Cowboy - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#422925) #
Blue Jays - 6 All Star players

Yankees - 6 All Star players

Ringo Starr & 2022 All Starr Band - 7 All Starr players

Live @ Massey Hall - Tomorrow!
hypobole - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#422926) #
What would be the downside of walking Vlad in the 10th? His run meant nothing and it would have set up a force play at 2nd and 3rd.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#422927) #
The (modest) downside is that Kirk has excellent plate discipline , and there's a real risk of a walk in addition to a hit which would set up a more dangerous situation.  More importantly from the Blue Jay perspective, I'd rather have Kirk up there than Guerrero Jr. needing a single (and conversely, I'd rather have Guerrero Jr. if I needed an extra base hit). 

I don't know why Schmidt didn't stay away from Guerrero Jr.- he has more trouble out there and you've got Judge in RF with the arm. 

Nigel - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#422930) #
I don't know that there is a right or a wrong way to go at choosing between Bichette, Vladdy and Kirk. They are very different hitters but very similar in offensive output. However, what surprised me, given the rut that Vladdy has been in recently, is that they didn't give Vladdy a chance to get himself out. He's been super aggressive and swinging at pitches outside the zone recently. I think an "unintentional intentional walk" to Vladdy was on the cards. There's a decent chance that Vladdy would have swung at balls in that AB. Failing that, I'd have probably walked Kirk and taken my chances with Chapman - it was the bottom of the 10nth after all.
John Northey - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#422931) #
Yankee fans, see the twitter link above, were screaming to walk Vlad there but the manager when asked was basically a 'pick your poison' type thought process with Springer-Bo-Vlad-Kirk all due up that inning. OPS+ of 127-126-132-131 respectively. So not exactly an easy choice. Then comes Chapman 120 followed by Teoscar 122. Phew. The Jays lineup may not have a Judge type this year, but 6 straight 120+ OPS+ guys is a nightmare for opposition teams as you don't have an obvious 'walk this guy to get to that guy' set up. That isn't adding in Jansen 133 either. Gurriel was at 113 when IL'ed. Then you get the weak slot - 2B with Biggio 94, Espinal 98, Merryfield 81 plus the temporary fill-ins for Gurriel Tapia 89, JBJ 51, Zimmer 28. Moreno is the right handed bench bat at 76 (but much better potential), and Lopez (no PA this year, probably no better than any of the 2B options).

Yeah, it wasn't an easy setup for NYY last night nor for any Jay opponent until you get past Chapman and Teoscar on days Kirk is catching so you can face Tapia/JBJ, or Biggio/Merryfield (until Gurriel & Espinal return). FYI: the team OPS+ is 115, ERA+ 100.

Just for kicks, the pitchers by ERA+...
Manoah 169, Stripling 124, Gausman 119, Berrios 74, Kikuchi 72, Ryu 70, White 54
Bass 232, Pop 182, Romano 179, Mayza 135, Cimber 133, Phelps 132, Garcia 128, Richards 70

Annoying that the best ERA+'s are Foster Griffin (1 game, 2 IP 0 R) followed by Gage 291 and both are in AAA. Ah well.
Leaside Cowboy - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#422932) #
Tampa Bay is facing a direct hit by Hurricane Ian. Dunedin is right on the coastline. The Rays are currently in Cleveland, then off to Houston and Boston.

Canada's sports teams could rally some support for the folks in the Maritimes.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#422933) #
Chapman has done well against RHP this year but I'm taking him (versus Vladdy or Kirk) and his 30%K rate every time against a RHP if I'm the Yankees.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#422936) #
Chapman has absolutely no platoon split at all over his career- .801 OPS vs. both (a few points of slugging pct better against RHP and a couple of points of OBP against LHP).  With the bases loaded over his career, Chapman has a significantly higher OBP (.352) and a significantly reduced slugging percentage.  I wouldn't be happy having my pitcher walk 2 batters to get to him with the bases loaded. 

Personally, I would have told my pitcher to go after Guerrero but on the outside- and to not give in.  A walk is not a bad outcome, but not a good one either. 
Magpie - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#422938) #
I would have told my pitcher to go after Guerrero but on the outside- and to not give in.

That's probably what Boone told him. The guy just missed his spot.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#422939) #
Probably.  And if you miss your spot to Kirk, he will regularly get a base hit too.  Boone's comment that it was a "pick your poison" situation sounds about right. 
Kasi - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#422940) #
And Kirk more than anyone on the team is who Iíd trust to get a single. Now sure they could do that to to get to Chapman but that opens up a lot more ways to lose the game with a runner at third.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#422941) #
Others might differ, but Kirk just puts the ball in play so much more often than Chapman that Iíd far rather face Chapman than Kirk if youíre the Yankees and youíve lost Vladdy.
John Northey - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#422942) #
Last night was a good way of showing how good the Jays are vs others. That lineup of 6-7 120-130 OPS+ guys (depending on if Jansen is playing) has to be scary to other teams. You just can't relax. Mix in how good Biggio is at walking, and Tapia at getting timely hits and you make it even scarier. A bad hitter by the Jays definition is a guy in the 80's for OPS+ - the Yankees have 2 of those in their regular lineup (BR) - Aaron Hicks and Isiah Kiner-Falefa with Jose Trevino barely above it (90). Their bench has Kyle Higashioka (67), Marwin Gonzalez (65), Tim Locastro (47), and Harrison Bader 66 among others. For the Jays the sub 90's are Tapia (89), Merrifield (81), Moreno (76), JBJ (51), and Zimmer (28). Only Tapia and Merrifield are often in the lineup while JBJ and Zimmer are 90% late inning defense, 10% replace Springer when he needs to DH. Wonder who'll be dumped when Espinal and Gurriel come back? Probably Lopez (who has played 1 innings since being called up, 2 innings all year plus 2 pinch running games) then Zimmer.
grjas - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#422943) #
Speaking of the off-season, it will be interesting to see what develops in contract talks wih VG. Heíll want Betts/Tatis money I suspect but heís only had one outstanding year, one very good year, and one good year. Plus the question on how well heíll age is an interesting oneÖ
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 06:13 PM EDT (#422944) #
Fangraphs has Guerrero Jr's 4 years as: -0.2 WAR, 0.2 WAR, 6.3 WAR and 3.0 WAR. That's two bad years, one All-Star year and one pretty good year.  BBREf likes him better with 2.1 WAR, 0.6 WAR, 6.8 WAR and 3.9 WAR.  If you take an average of the two, it amounts two bad years, one All-Star year and one good year.  Subjectively, I think he's been a little better than that and that his defence has improved more than the metrics give him credit for.  But still.  I think he's just going to play out his arb years and that will be that. 

Bichette is a different story entirely. 
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#422945) #
Now this is the Jose Berrios I remember from last year.  Everything looks better- the fastball velocity and command, and the sharpness of his curve.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#422946) #
Lots of Yankees groundballs through the infield tonight.
Mike Green - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#422947) #
Exactly, Gerry.  The defence has not been sharp.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#422948) #
And just plain BABIP bad luck.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#422949) #
I am becoming a broken record on this but Bo makes another throwing error. As I said a few days ago, his defense/throwing has been poor over the last few weeks. Vladdy has saved him a few times but Biggio couldn't tonight.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#422950) #
Sloppy play by the Jays and bad baserunning plus seeing eye hits by the Yankees makes for a bad scoreline.
Nigel - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#422951) #
Really hard to justify that base running down by 4. Yuck
soupman - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#422952) #
i still think they should have tried to flip him for Soto at the deadline.
Petey Baseball - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#422953) #
Watching that dog's breakfast of a inning reminds me of the great sabermetric axiom:

Run hard out of the damn box.
JohnL - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#422954) #

Run hard out of the damn box.

What Buck was essentially saying when he tore a strip off the team. Have to agree with him on most of his points re: Bo, outfield, Teo, Vladdy.

When he suggested Schneider wouldn't take this, and that he was no doubt "steaming" about their play today, it was interesting that he suggested he'd already talked to some of the players about this... right after discussing Vladdy's baserunning.

Gerry - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#422955) #
Lots of first pitch swinging tonight.
Petey Baseball - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#422956) #
Buck mistakenly (but not suprisingly) calling Lou Trivino Lee Trevino almost makes up for having to the watch the Yankees clinch the East.

I thought Buck went a bit overboard but hard to argue with him...I liked what Shulman said. It's not really about effort, since Vlad and Bo show plenty of hustle. It's more just focus. You can celebrate and chest thump and homer jacket like crazy afterwards. Until it clears the wall you have to be running hard.
Four Seamer - Tuesday, September 27 2022 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#422957) #
Not sure exactly what it means, but interesting that all these Rogers employees - Martinez, Shulman, Siddall, Joseph, Campbell - are all basically singing from the same song sheet on the lack of consistent focus from this team.
StephenT - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 12:50 AM EDT (#422958) #
A new rule that would change the boos to cheers:

Whenever a batter draws a walk (or hit-by-pitch or catcher interference),
the manager may choose to send another runner to 1st (from the most previous lineup spot not already on base)
so that the batter can bat again (starting with a fresh 0-0 count).

That way, you couldn't skip over the best hitters.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 09:16 AM EDT (#422959) #
When he suggested Schneider wouldn't take this...

Buck was letting Schneider off the hook a little too easy: Schneider's been in the organization for years, and has coached some of these guys in the minors. If the players are lacking fundamentals & focus, doesn't that suggest he does take this? Or - and this seems more likely - he doesn't really have enough influence/power to do anything about it?
hypobole - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 09:18 AM EDT (#422960) #
Not a good look on Schneider that one night after Teo almost admired a double into a single, Vlad does the same.
Nigel - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 09:21 AM EDT (#422961) #
Yeah, I was going to say that its a funny time to talk to the media about cracking the whip on this kind of mistake. This has actually been going on all year. Vladdy and Teoscar are the most noticeable offenders but they aren't alone.
Paul D - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 09:33 AM EDT (#422962) #
Stripling has to start game 3,right?
scottt - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#422963) #
Now less than 2 games on the Rays.
Seattle loses again which mean Baltimore will probably not be eliminated when the Jays go there.

85bluejay - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#422964) #
Too bad the manager is too weak to discipline the top players - Nick Nurse (Raptors) being tough on Pascal Siakam was the best thing for both player and team.
Cracka - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#422965) #
John Schneider won't embarrass his players. I'm sure there's some discipline behind closed doors, but the public is never going to see it. A tougher manager might bench both of them for tonight's finale and maybe give Moreno and Otto Lopez a spot start to reward their effort, etc. But that's not going to happen at this point, especially with Cole on the mound and the Rays breathing down our neck.
grjas - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#422966) #
Pity that Chapman doesnít rub off more on the players. Almost turned an easy out to a single early in the game by hustling up the line.

And yeah Iím on board now for Stripling in game 3
92-93 - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#422967) #
Stripling might have to start Game 2 if Manoah starts Game 162. This will sort itself out based on the final series vs. Baltimore.
Petey Baseball - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 11:49 AM EDT (#422968) #
Yeah, I wasn't all that impressed with Schnieder's answer "Vlad has to run harder there," isn't enough. Perhaps he's saving some more pointed criticism for a private conversation. But if Vlad is in the lineup tonight that's doing nothing to help solve an issue that's getting ridiculous in a hurry.

Buck said a lot of things in his little diatribe last night, but one part (and I'm paraphrasing here) was that JS has to use the field manager's position to change the culture of the team; one that sets a strong no tolerance policy towards careless gaffes that hurt the team. Schneider should have less trouble than a new manager (according to Buck) because he's spent a lot of time around the organization and many of its players the past decade.

Vlad and Teo seem coachable, and do their fair share of hustling. Here's hoping we see Schneider hand out some discipline (games, fines, public tongue lashes, whatever) so we're not talking more about this topic every few weeks.

hypobole - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#422970) #
Problem is there is no "every few weeks". Nurse had a bit of a luxury with Siakam back in 2021 because they were nowhere close to the playoffs at the time. Benching and suspending him actually helped the tank.

Jays have 7 games left and every game is crucial. If benching Vlad, deserved as it may be, ends up as the difference between the Jays playing 3 at home or on the road it may well cost Schneider his job anyway.
Petey Baseball - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#422971) #
Also being a huge basketball fan and a Raptors fan I do like the Siakam parallel. It appears Nick Nurses' tough love did nothing to hurt Siakam's development in a tough period of time for Pascal handling expectations.

It's not too late for Teo (next year is huge, it's his free agent year, and having a lackadaisical streak can hurt value), and definitely isn't too late for the younger Jays like Vladdy and Bo.

If your the front office, I think you might even see a manager benching players during a critical stretch a strong point. One things for certain...what they've tried up to this point has failed.

99BlueJaysWay - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 01:22 PM EDT (#422973) #
I donít agree that benching two of your best players during a playoff race is a strategy that the front office would support. They have to win as many games as possible. Seeding and home field is at stake. Thatís way more important than sending a message.

I also donít believe that benching is the only possible penalty. They can do small fines or call out the behaviour in front of the whole team.
99BlueJaysWay - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#422974) #
I thought Schneiderís comments in the media were quite strong. He called the behaviour inexcusable and called out two of the teamís best players. Publicly. Expecting the manager to say more is just not realistic. By way of contrast, what do you think Charlie would have said? I donít think he would have come out as strongly.
Nigel - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#422975) #
This is a collective management problem that goes back over a period of time. This should have been addressed and dealt with a long time ago. There are many cooks to blame. What I didn't like was Schneider appearing to have just woken up to the issue. If you didn't love what happened last night you should have done something about it a long time ago, sorry.

If you want to watch how another team approaches playing the game watch Cleveland for a few games - everyone hustles their butt off all the time.
grjas - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#422976) #
At least weíre not having to listen to Atkins press talks where every third word is ďexceptionalĒ. Seriously Ross, retire the word.

I thought Schneiderís comments were a good balance between calling out poor effort vs crapping all over his players. Will see if VG adjusts. If he really wants to be a superstar, itís time to grow up.
92-93 - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#422977) #
It's really Springer (and maybe Chapman) who need to have a talk with Guerrero, not Schneider. That's the best way to get the message across.
Leaside Cowboy - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#422978) #
This group needs a manager like the late Don Baylor.
John Northey - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#422979) #
What is funny, is as an older fan I remember the days of George Bell who would've drove most here nuts. His play in LF was that of a guy who should be a DH quite often, but he had TONS of pride and ego thus moving to DH resulted in a nightmare in the 1988 pre-season. He refused to play at all a few times, told the manager to kiss his purple butt, and was generally a massive disruptive force on a team that would finish 2 games out of first 2 years in a row despite his winning the MVP one of those years. He'd be gone by the time the Jays won 2 World Series in a row, and actually was on the White Sox team that lost to the Jays in the 1993 ALCS (I was so annoyed at the time that the ChiSox didn't use him at all during that series, instead having Bo Jackson with 2 bad legs trying to hit instead).

Attitude is a common complaint. Why didn't player XYZ run that out? In my day they did. Well, guess what? This old guy remembers old players in the 80's complaining that 'players now won't run those out'. The exact same complaints have been around for decades and probably well before I existed.

IMO the big problem was simply Vlad and Teoscar not running full out right away as they both thought they had home runs and, for whatever reason, both among others don't run all out unless they think it matters (I suspect so they have all their strength for later when it could matter). All that said, there does seem to be a problem with Hernandez especially as it seems he often makes mental errors out in RF and at the plate. I wonder if the Jays will use him as an example this winter by trading him to make room for a free agent or trade acquisition. It'll be interesting to see. If it is felt there is too much of a country club friend atmosphere on the team then breaking up the gang might be needed, and Tesocar is an obvious choice imo, him or Gurriel as both are free agents post 2023 thus odds are at least one will be gone after next year so might as well replace them now.

Short term there really isn't much that can be done. Schneider isn't Billy Martin (the link is Martin trying to physically attack Reggie Jackson).
John Northey - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 06:50 PM EDT (#422980) #
Ah, here is the moment I was looking for Billy Martin pulling Reggie Jackson mid-inning for loafing in the OF. I really can't imagine any Jays manager ever doing that. It is the ultimate 'I am going to embarrass the guy' move. I suspect many here would like to see it done, but really I doubt it would help anything. (see video I linked above for how those 2 never worked well together).
Nigel - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#422981) #
Ah John - memories. First of all, in any purple butt kissing contest I'm backing George Bell over Jimy Williams every day and twice on Sunday - so I'm not sure he was the clubhouse problem that that sequence of events made him out to be. Not saying he was perfect either.

Every thing you suggest about George's defence is true of George Bell the Later. Forgotten is that George was actually a pretty decent LF in his early years. As for his base running, his speed left him early (he started with decent speed) but he had an Edwin Encarnacion vibe on the base paths - both were stealthy good base runners in that they ran them well if slowly. George had his issues but I don't really equate the hot dogging/lack of effort we saw last night and other nights this year with George.
uglyone - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#422982) #
What's the most innings a team has given a pitcher with an 8+ era?
Magpie - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#422983) #
Well, the Blue Jays gave Roy Halladay 67.2 IP in 2000.
uglyone - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#422984) #
what if we narrow it down teams in a playoffs race?
Magpie - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#422985) #
what if we narrow it down teams in a playoffs race?

It's still the 2000 Blue Jays, who went into September in a dead heat with Cleveland for the Wild Card. Only to get left in the dust, by both Cleveland and Oakland.
Magpie - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 08:18 PM EDT (#422986) #
The actual champ just might be Jimmy Haynes, who went 3-6, 8.29 for the 1996 Orioles. They finished second and were the AL Wild Card team.

And a shoutout to Hideo Nomo, 4-11, 8.25 for the 2004 Dodgers, who won 93 games and won their division anyway.
Magpie - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#422987) #
And we can't forget Steve Blass! 1971 World Series hero, 19-8 in 1972. And then he went 3-9, 9.25 with 84 BB in 88.2 IP in 1973.

But Jimmy Haynes got one more out in his awful year, so 89 IP beats 88.2, I guess.
uglyone - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#422988) #
heheh you're the best magpie.
scottt - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#422989) #
I didn't like Mayza in that spot.

grjas - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#422990) #
Yeah it was very odd bringing in a lefty with Judge the second batter in the inning. They had done a good job managing his HRís this year.
blu-j - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#422991) #
Cimber....too bad they can't assign a second error for forgetting to cover the plate, allowing a second run to score after the crazy bad throw home.
Dr. Zarco - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#422992) #
At least the Rays lost in a walk off single in the 10th. Despite dropping 2 of 3 to the yanks theyíre still 1.5 up on the Rays.
grjas - Wednesday, September 28 2022 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#422993) #
Bit surprising that White has an ERA twice as high with the Jays as with LA. I wonder if the coaching staff has messed him up. Walker doesnít seem to have had much success this year.
99BlueJaysWay - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#422994) #
I think it depends what you do or donít give them credit for. For example does he not get credit for Manoa taking a huge step forward, Gossman having a strong season end to end, Stripling having his best season ever, Romano having his best season ever, Garcia probably having his best season ever, and Cimber pitching more than ever and probably also his best season ever.

So, yes Berrios, White and Kikuchi have been extremely inconsistent, but thereís a lot more positive than negative. Itís just the bad have been horrific. Worse than replacement level.
99BlueJaysWay - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 12:05 AM EDT (#422995) #
Manoah and Gausman. Sorry, voice to text
92-93 - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 01:00 AM EDT (#422996) #
Helluva an outing from Richards tonight. Kirk and Guerrero had a chance to get the Jays right back in it. Really deflating GIDP from Vladdy.

Just gotta go 4-2 the rest of the way, which gets home field for the WC unless TB goes 6-1 or SEA 7-1. Hopefully BAL is eliminated before the final series.
85bluejay - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 07:53 AM EDT (#422998) #
Last year the Yankees won a crucial series in the last week of the season that probably cost the Jays a playoff spot and now they have come in again and clinched the division and had Judge hit a historic homer - Yep, this is Vladdy's house - built with the very best straw that money can buy.

The 3 WC teams seem weak and easy pickings, yet one of them is going to advance to the second round at least.
Paul D - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 08:31 AM EDT (#423001) #
The Jays seem weak because they only have three good starters. Only one of them pitched in this series. This is much less of a problem in the playoffs
Cracka - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 09:41 AM EDT (#423002) #
Things are a little different this year though - the playoff schedule is more compressed with fewer off days, and the 4th starter is going to need to take a regular turn. If the wild card series goes all 3 games, then the #4 starter (probably Berrios) would need to start Game #1 and likely Game #5 of the ALDS, presumably against Gerrit Cole or Justin Verlander. And the ALCS is 7 games in 8 days, with no off days between Games 3 to 7... so it's either a 5th starter or someone on short rest for Game 7. Lots of other variables here, but my point is that starter depth will be more important than ever in the playoffs this year and we have one of the shallowest rotations of all playoff teams.
John Northey - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#423004) #
For the Jays...
1992: Doug Linton 8.63 over 24 IP appears to be the highest inning count for an over 8 ERA on a contending team (1983-1993, 2015-2016, 2020 saw Shun Yamaguchi with an 8.06 over 25 2/3 and that team made the expanded playoffs but it was also a short freak show season. Most other years no one with an ERA over 8 threw even 10 innings.

2000 was a sorta/kinda contender with Roy Halladay's infamous 10.64 over 67 2/3 IP (4 1/2 back in the end - 3 of Halladay's losses were when the Jays scored 5+ but he stunk so bad it didn't matter).
Mike Green - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#423006) #
You absolutely want one of your best starters ready to go in Game 1 of the ALDS. 
Cracka - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#423007) #
If Manoah is required for Game 162, that sets him up to start Game 1 of the ALDS on 5 days' rest... but only if they make it through the wildcard series without needing him. I have a notepad with various playoff rotations & scenarios. The one I like the best has Manoah pitching Game 162, Stripling & Gausman winning their WC starts, and Manoah starting Game 1 and Game 4 (or 5) of the ALDS. Every other path to the ALCS would require Berrios to start a meaningful game.
92-93 - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#423009) #
In that scenario, Cracka, the Jays probably use Berrios in Game 2 so that they have Stripling available for the deciding Game 3 or Game 2 of the ALDS. Especially if Gausman pitches well in Game 1 and you have 5-6 relievers with two days rest.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#423012) #
Last year the Yankees won a crucial series in the last week of the season that probably cost the Jays a playoff spot and now they have come in again and clinched the division and had Judge hit a historic homer - Yep, this is Vladdy's house - built with the very best straw that money can buy.
Came to say something similar.. Maybe hold off on the bragging until you actually accomplish something. Winning 1/3 in extra innings isn't exactly a smack-down situation.. But hey, maybe that was the movie we were promised? Sorry if I come off a bit cynical, but that just seemed way too premature. Maybe after getting the game-winning hit in the wildcard series, at least?
John Northey - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#423013) #
The Jays are in the playoffs officially now for the first time since 2020, first time in a full season since 2016.  Boston beat Baltimore 5-3 to lock it down.  A shame the team didn't get to celebrate on the field, but maybe that'll be more incentive for winning round 1.
Kasi - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#423014) #
Ahh yes more fun police and playing the game the right way posts. Iím guessing players Vlads age and background likely do things a bit differently than back in the day. I think winning a close game over a rival is worthy of celebration and Iím not going to condemn them for not following up as well as Iíd like.
uglyone - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#423016) #
Unfortunately appropriate way to clinch.

Hopefully we're in for a good playoffs run (which they're more than capable of winning) but even though they made the playoffs this 90 win regulsr season is still disappointing to me.
bpoz - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#423017) #
I really enjoyed the thread about NYY winning 120 games this year. Through Magpies research prior super regular season teams most often (I think) did not take the WS trophy home. Thank you Magpie.

This Jays team won their playoff position. I congratulate them for that.

IF they get to the AL championship series and lose then no WS appearance. But Rogers will be counting a lot of dough. How much I don't know the particulars. Shapiro can ask for a "good" payroll and maybe he gets one. If he does get the $ then I will learn how smart he is. Sorry to say this but baseball can turn a genius to and idiot and vice versa in 1 season. Very illogical IMO.
electric carrot - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#423018) #
regulsr season is still disappointing to me.

Why is everyone so dour! Playoffs. Playoffs. Playoffs. We're contendahs -- and the Yankees look vulnerable to me.
John Northey - Thursday, September 29 2022 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#423019) #
#1 is to make the playoffs, #2 is to get home field for round 1. Out of reach is #3 - win the division to avoid round 1, #4 - best record in AL to be in the best position to get to the WS, and #5 best record in MLB, thus home field in the WS (I think). But at least the Jays got #1 for sure now and have a very good shot at #2 with the Rays losing today so a 2 game lead on them now (woohoo!).

So for the playoffs... how to shuffle the rotation to maximize the value of Manoah who clearly is our #1 pitcher? Normally you'd want him for game 1 of the WC series but then normal rest puts him on for game 2 of the DS (Houston most likely), then game 1 of the LCS (Yankees most likely). But skipping the WC you'd have him for games 1/5 of the DS, and at some point in the LCS. I'm of the thought I want him as often as possible, thus game 1 of the WC, 2 of the DS, and games 1/5 of the LCS if the Jays get that far (if vs the Yankees you REALLY want him on the mound then).
StephenT - Friday, September 30 2022 @ 03:12 AM EDT (#423020) #
Manoah threw 113 pitches in his most recent game (Sept 24).

Last year, he threw 114 pitches on Aug 11/21, and 6 days later had one of his worst-ever games (3.2IP, 7R, @Wash).

His next highest pitch count was 109 pitches July 2/21.  His next game 7 days later was 3.2IP, 3R @TB, then he didn't pitch again until July 31/21 (I don't remember the reason).

Sometimes he's been fine after high pitch games:
He threw 108 pitches Aug 23/21, and did fine his next game 5 days later.
His previous high this year was 107 pitches Aug 16/22, and did fine his next game 5 days later.

Pitch counts are from

I thought I heard on the last radio broadcast that Manoah was being held back to Saturday (2 extra days rest),
though they never mentioned the obvious reason why (I think they just thought it lined him up better for the playoffs).
But I may have misheard since I see no mention of it online.
(I thought they also said Stripling was starting Friday's game (Sept 30); he last pitched Sept 25.)
John Northey - Friday, September 30 2022 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#423026) #
I suspect the Jays will go short leash on Manoah his next start just to keep him safe for the playoffs - I'd be surprised if he goes 6 unless he keeps the pitch count low.

With 2 games on Tampa and 1 1/2 on Seattle the Jays are in very good shape right now. Baltimore's tragic number is now 2 so it is safe to say those 3 are fighting for home field and to see who gets to play in Cleveland. 3 vs Boston is a plus for the Jays, while Tampa gets Houston (preparing for the playoffs, trying to get their guys reeved up for it), and Seattle gets Oakland (OK, they have an easy opponent). Then the final 3 vs Baltimore, Tampa plays in Boston, and Seattle home vs Detroit.

Seattle sweeping seems very possible, Tampa has pounded Boston (12-4), but is 0-3 vs Houston (2-14 runs for-against). Jays are 13-3 vs Boston, 8-8 vs Baltimore. Seattle is just 9-7 vs Oakland, but 3-0 vs Detroit (21-6 in runs for-against). Basically I feel the Jays need to be 1 1/2 ahead of Seattle going into Monday (Seattle has a double header vs Detroit then) in order to stay ahead of them. Tampa I expect to drop to 3rd.

For Round 1: Jays vs Seattle: 2-5 21-28 runs for-against
Jays vs Rays: 9-10 73-82 runs for-against
Jays vs Cleveland 2-5 22-37 runs for-against

Ugh. None of those look good. Weird that the best record is vs Tampa.
Leaside Cowboy - Friday, September 30 2022 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#423027) #
Auston Matthews meeting Aaron Judge was like President Nixon meeting Elvis Presley.
scottt - Friday, September 30 2022 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#423028) #
The 4 game sweep in Seattle is what got Montoyo fired.
They went 2-1 against them at home.

They dropped 3 of 4 in Cleveland playing in the rain and they drop  2 of three here under Schneid.
Cleveland plays harder. They don't watch flyballs.

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