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Day 2 of the MLB Draft continues today with rounds 3-10 at Lumen Field in Seattle at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Time. The draft can been seen on MLB Network and You can follow the draft right here.

The Blue Jays first pick of the day will come in the third round with the 89th overall selection. Their fourth-round pick is at 121.

Round 3 - 89th overall. RHP Juaron Watts-Brown. Oklahoma State. Bats Right, Throws Right. 6-foot-3, 190 pounds. Born February 23, 2002. Slot Value $771,000.

Image from - Watts-Brown originally committed to Texas Tech as a California high schooler, but the Red Raiders backed off him when he injured his shoulder playing quarterback as a senior and he wound up at Long Beach State. After redshirting while getting healthy in 2021, he made his college debut last spring, threw the school's first nine-inning no-hitter and set a school record with 13.6 strikeouts per nine innings (the fifth-best rate in NCAA Division I). He starred in the Cape Cod League during the summer before transferring to Oklahoma State, where he led the Big 12 Conference in strikeouts (124) and strikeout rate (13.6) despite an up-and-down spring. Watts-Brown's best weapon is a plus 83-86 slider that he commands better than his other offerings, showing the ability to get swings and misses in and out of the strike zone. His fastball parks at 90-93 mph and tops out at 96 with decent running action, but it's fairly ordinary in terms of velocity and life and gets hit harder than any of his pitches. He also employs a solid low-80s curveball with bigger break than his slider and an average mid-80s changeup with some fade and tumble. More athletic than physical, Watts-Brown has a slender 6-foot-3 frame and some questions about how well he'll handle a pro starter's workload. He shows some feel for pitching and should be able to refine his control and command as he gets more innings. His biggest need is to add some power or movement to his fastball so he can keep it off barrels. Video

Baseball America - Watts-Brown was a standout, multi-sport athlete in high school who excelled at baseball, football and basketball. He began his college career at Long Beach State, but redshirted in 2021 to recover from an arm injury he sustained in football. When he returned to the mound in 2022, Watts-Brown was named a Freshman All-American and his draft stock exploded over the summer when he showed improved velocity and some of the best all-around pitching upside during the summer in the Cape Cod League. In his first and only season with Oklahoma State, the 6-foot-3, 190-pound righthander posted a 5.03 ERA over 15 starts and 82.1 innings and led the Big 12 with 124 strikeouts and a 33% strikeout rate. He’s a good mover on the mound with a clean, fast arm, a bit of length in the back of his arm path and a three-quarter slot. Watts-Brown averaged 92 mph and touched 95 with a fastball that had around 19 inches of induced vertical break. He used that pitch less than half the time however, thanks to a high-usage, mid-80s slider that flashes plus with hard, tight spin and looks like a real out pitch. He generated whiffs at a 53% rate with the slider, with 40% usage, and often shows better feel to land it for strikes than either his fastball, his low-80s 12-6 curveball or his mid-80s changeup. Watts-Brown has fringy control and needs to improve his fastball command to make the most of a solid four-pitch mix. BA Grade:50/High Tools:Fastball: 55. Slider: 60. Curveball: 50. Changeup: 50. Control: 45.

Twitter Reaction

Peter Flaherty III @PeterGFlaherty The Toronto Blue Jays have selected Juaron Watts-Brown.Projectable frame with an easy, repeatable operation. SL is a + pitch with 2-plane break, had an absurd 64% miss rate in ‘22. Bigger CB also flashes plus, FB up to 96.

Jeffmlbdraft @jeffMLBdraft Juaron Watts-Brown is the 4th guy from my Board to go today. He has one of the better sliders in the draft some people think he might be a reliever. I think he has a chance as a starter, needs better development but misses a ton of bats. Great athlete, he is a guy with growth

Kendall Rogers @KendallRogers think Juaron Watts-Brown will end up being a very good pick for the @BlueJays. It didn't really click for him at times this past spring, but the stuff is real and I really like the frame. That pick will look smart in due time, IMO. His best days are ahead of him.

Round 4 - 121st overall. RHP Landen Maroudis. Calvary Christian HS (FL). Bats, Throws. 6-foot-3, 190 pounds. Born December 16, 2004. Slot Value $547,100.

Image from - Calvary Christian High School in Florida has one of the deepest high school pitching staffs in the country with right-hander Liam Peterson, lefty Hunter Dietz and Maroudis. Also the club's shortstop when he isn't pitching, Maroudis entered the spring third on the depth chart, but many evaluators believed he had vaulted to the top of the list based on his performance and upside. Maroudis is a solid infield prospect, a good athlete who can swing the bat well, but his future at the next level lies on the mound. The 6-foot-3 right-hander has the chance to have an excellent three-pitch mix. His fastball had touched 96 mph early in the spring, though that velocity backed up a bit as he tired a bit thanks to his two-way duties. There's good ride and spin to the fastball, something sure to speak to the analytics fans. His changeup is his best secondary offering, ahead of the spike slurve he throws that's more of a frisbee-like slider than anything else, with some evaluators worrying a little bit about his breaking stuff due to how low his elbow is in his delivery. Committed to North Carolina State, Maroudis does a very good job of throwing strikes, and teams will certainly be interested in his fastball qualities as well as the upside that comes with his athleticism. Teams that think there could be another gear to reach once he stops hitting could be intrigued in the first few rounds. Video

Baseball America - Maroudis has a background as a two-way player, but his future looks brightest on the mound and he is a part of one of the deepest and most talented prep pitching staffs with Calvary Christian High in Clearwater, Fla. Maroudis has a 6-foot-3, 195-pound frame with plenty of strength in his lower half currently, but still more room to fill out and layer on good weight. Maroudis has a relatively simple operation with a three-quarter slot and some head whack and effort in his finish, with a spinoff to the first base side in his landing. His fastball has steadily climbed over the years, and now sits at 89-93 mph and touches 94. His changeup is advanced for his age, with more than 10 mph of separation off his fastball at 79-82 mph while maintaining his arm speed. It’s a potential plus pitch with impressive fade and sink to miss bats. His changeup is ahead of his breaking stuff, and Maroudis has thrown a get-me-over curveball, but showed more of a slider in the low 80s this spring. Maroudis has been a solid strike-thrower, though his fastball command can come and go, but his athleticism bodes well for his ability to make adjustments and repeat his delivery. That athleticism is also evident in his quick pickoff move as well. He is committed to North Carolina State. BA Grade:50/Extreme Tools:Fastball: 55. Curveball: 50. Changeup: 60. Control: 50.

Twitter Reaction

Joe Doyle @JoeDoyleMiLB Whoa. The Blue Jays landing RHP Landon Maroudis in the 4th round? Had a second-round grade on the Largo, FL prep. Really loose and athletic. Up to 96 with sink and a mirroring short slider. Was expected to be a tough sign away from NC State.

Jesse Litsch @JesseLitsch 2023 Landon Maroudis @SportsCalvary Maroudis the @NCStateBaseball commit continues to show why he is one of the better players overall in the 2023 class. Long loose arm with tons of upside. Showed great mound presence after a couple hiccups behind him. FB: 90-93 SL:79-82 CH: 83

Round 5 - 157th overall. LHP Connor O'Halloran. Bats Right, Throws Left. 6-foot-2, 190 pounds. Born September 1, 2002. Slot Value $385,000.

Image from - The son of Greg O'Halloran, who played briefly with the 1994 Marlins, Connor was a mainstay on Canada's 18-and-under teams before heading to Michigan. He barely pitched as a freshman in 2021 before becoming the first hurler in school history to record multiple 100-strikeout seasons. The 2023 Big Ten Conference Pitcher of the Year, he's one of the most polished left-handers in this year's college class. O'Halloran succeeds more with control and deception than stuff. His lone above-average pitch is his low-80s slider, which features plenty of sweep along with some depth and works against both left-handers and right-handers. His fastball hovers around 89 mph and tops out at 93, though it plays up thanks to its flat approach angle and carry up in the zone. His low-80s changeup is a decent third offering with some fade. O'Halloran has little margin for error but makes few mistakes. He has an easy, athletic delivery with a low arm slot that creates deception without compromising his ability to throw strikes. His control and command have improved significantly this spring and he comes with a high floor as a likely back-of-the-rotation starter. Video

Baseball America - A native Canadian who spent three years with the 18U National Team in high school, O’Halloran had an up-and-down 2022 with Michigan, but showed solid swing-and-miss stuff and finished the year with 104 strikeouts in 92.2 innings. In 2023, he dominated early in the season and put together a career year, with a 4.11 ERA over 15 starts and 103 innings, as well as a 25.5% strikeout rate and career-low 6% walk rate. The 6-foot-2, 190-pound lefthander throws from a deceptive and low, three-quarter slot and is able to locate his low-90s fastball well to either side of the plate. He averaged 89-91 mph on the pitch this spring and touched 94, and will need to be able to spot the pitch with precision at the next level to keep hitters off of it consistently. His best offering is a high-spin slider in the low 80s, which boasted a 42% miss rate, and it was an equal opportunity bat-misser against both righties and lefties—though given his arm slot and sweepy shape, it should be more consistent in same-side matchups in pro ball. He mixes in a mid-80s changeup with some tumbling action that should be a key pitch for him to prevent platoon advantages in pro ball. O’Halloran doesn’t have the loudest pure stuff, but he could develop into a touch-and-feel back-end starter if he can add a few more ticks of velocity. BA Grade:40/High Tools:Fastball: 50. Slider: 50. Changeup: 50. Control: 55.

Twitter Reaction
Taylor Blake Ward @TaylorBlakeWard 5-157. Blue Jays: Connor O'Halloran, LHP, Michigan -- Ontario-born polished arm w/ high-floor rotation upside, upper 80's FB w/ good plane and life, SL w/ sweep/depth flashes plus, playable CH w/ fade, control artist w/ starter's kit build/delivery, backend rotation/swing arm

Jeffmlbdraft @jeffMLBdraft Blue Jays take a local kid with Connor O'Halloran. He missed a lot of bats from the left side, typical control and command lefty. Not great stuff but enough to be a back end starter

Round 6 - 184th overall. OF Jace Bohrofen. Arkansas. Bats Left, Throws Right. 6--foot-2, 195 pounds. Born October 19, 2001. Slot Value $304,700.

Image from - The top position player in a deep 2020 Oklahoma high school class loaded with pitching, Bohrofen was a top-three-rounds talent who ultimately couldn't be lured away from college. He didn't hit enough to claim a regular job as an Oklahoma freshman or Arkansas sophomore, though he did perform well with wood bats in the Cape Cod League in both summers. He has been one of the most dangerous hitters in the Southeastern Conference this spring and regained his former prospect status. A left-handed hitter with a sound swing, Bohrofen has improved at making contact and driving the ball in the air throughout his college career. He tried to do too much in his lone season with the Sooners, but since has learned to let his plus raw power come naturally. He has developed a more discerning eye at the plate and his prodigious strength leads to high exit velocities, though his propensity to swing and miss in the strike zone concerns some clubs. While Bohrofen will get drafted mostly based on his offensive production, he's a decent athlete. He has fringy-to-average speed and good instincts on the bases and in the outfield corners. He's a capable defender in left or right field with an average arm. Video

Baseball America - Bohrofen ranked as the No. 141 prospect in the 2020 class out of high school and stood out for his plus raw power and corner outfield profile. He began his career at Oklahoma but transferred to Arkansas in 2022, and struggled in his first year thanks to contact issues and a high strikeout rate. He turned in a career season in 2023, when the 6-foot-2, 205-pound lefty-hitting outfielder slashed .313/.431/.604 with 16 home runs and 15 doubles in 60 games. Bohrofen was on a torrid streak to start the season, but conference play brought him back down to Earth. He stands upright at the plate with a slightly open front side and has quick hands with consistent, tight turns and an explosive back hip. Bohrofen does have a pull-oriented approach that causes him to pull off the ball at times, and that has created issues specifically with contact against breaking stuff and changeups. He’s a fastball hitter who has done well with velocity and posted a 1.164 OPS against fastballs, but just an .849 OPS against breaking balls and offspeed stuff. He’s an average runner with average arm strength and should be an adequate defender in an outfield corner, though left field is a better fit than right field in pro ball. BA Grade:40/High Tools:Hit: 40. Power: 55. Run: 50. Field: 45. Arm: 50.

Twitter Reaction

Peter Flaherty III @PeterGFlaherty The Toronto Blue Jays have selected OF Jace Bohrofen. Broke out this spring to the tune of a .318 average, 15 2B, and 16 HR. Love his operation at the plate - electric bat speed with an explosive back hip. Quality wood bat track record for Bohrofen, too.

Taylor Blake Ward @TaylorBlakeWard 6-184. Blue Jays: Jace Bohrofen, OF, Arkansas -- explosive pwr OF, LHH w/ quick hands/explosion gets barrel through zone w/ authority and abv-avg pwr, toned down swing/approach to get to off upside w/ more refinements to avoid s/m platoon outlook, fringe run w/ corner OF profile

Round 7 - 214th overall. SS Nick Goodwin, Kansas State. Bats Right, Throws Right. 6-foot-1, 205 pounds. Born September 6, 2001. Slot Value $238,700.

Image from - An immediate starter at Kansas State, Goodwin tied the school's freshman home run record with 10 in 2021. He never has posted big numbers for the Wildcats, though he acquitted himself well with wood bats in the Cape Cod League last summer after struggling there the year before. He could become the program's first position player selected in the top five rounds since Jared King a decade ago. Goodwin has made more consistent contact as a junior, though scouts still consider him more of a power-over-hit guy. He uses his right-handed swing to drive balls in the air to his pull side and could provide 15-20 homers per season in pro ball. He works counts and draw walks, though he could be more selective about which pitches he puts in play. With fringy speed and an arm that rates as average to maybe a tick above, Goodwin is unlikely to stay at shortstop at the next level. He has improved his defensive consistency this spring and can make the routine play, but he profiles better as an offensive second baseman or a utilityman. He made eight errors in 27 games at second on the Cape last summer. Video

Baseball America - Goodwin had a productive spring for Kansas State in 2023 and hit .285/.394/.511 with 12 home runs and 13 stolen bases. He can impact a game in more ways than one, and also has a solid history of performance in the Cape Cod League. The athletic, 6-foot-1, 205-pound righthanded hitter has good strength in his wrists and forearms that produces good bat speed and exit velocities that can reach a maximum near 110 mph. Goodwin is a low-ball hitter and looks to lift for damage, with all of his home runs this spring going to the pull side. Though he has shown the ability to level off on pitches up in the zone, his lower quadrant average speaks much louder. Goodwin is aggressive at the plate but will take his walks. He improved his strikeout rate significantly year-over-year, going from a 23.1% strikeout rate in 2022 to a 13.5% rate in 2022. Defensively, Goodwin possesses instincts and proper actions with an above-average arm that will allow him to stay on the dirt at the next level. Second base may ultimately be his spot, but he will have the ability to move around the dirt and perhaps take on an outfield role as well. He’s a well-rounded player who fits at some point on the second day of the draft. BA Grade:40/High Tools:Hit: 40. Power: 50. Run: 50. Field: 45. Arm: 55.

Round 8 - 244th overall. OF Braden Barry, West Virginia. Bats Right,Throws Right. 6-foot-4, 190 pounds. Born February 6, 2002. Slot Value $194,600.

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Round 9 - 274th overall. OF Sam Shaw. Lambrick Park SS (BC). Bats Left, Throws Right. 5-foot-10, 180 pounds. Born February 26, 2005. Slot Value $175,900.

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Round 10 - 304th overall. RHP Josh Mollerus, Oregon. Bats Right, Throws Right. 6-foot-3, 215 pounds. Born October 6, 1999. Slot Value $166,200.

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John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#431452) #
Rounds 3-10 eh? How have the Jays done historically on those picks?
  • 3: John Olerud 58.2 WAR, Jimmy Key 48.9 - the dream. 4 others in the 10's (Shaun Marcum, Adam Lind, Jake Marisnick, David Weathers), 2 over 5, so 8 who provided value 2 of whom were WOW. 20 of 49 reached.
  • 4: Casey Janssen as 7.4 is the best, Sam Dyson at 5.9 is the only other one over 4. 46 drafted, 12 reached. Ugh.
  • 5: Dave Stieb 56.4 (drafted as an OF), Pat Hentgen 32.6, Michael Young 24.7, Mike Timlin 19.0 (save in the 1992 WS title game), then big drop to Cavan Biggio, Lane Thomas (5.7 each), all other sub 4. 15 of 46 reached.
  • 6: Anthony DeSclafani 10.5, Matthew Boyd 9.0, rest sub 4 (including WS MVP Pat Borders 3.6). 10 of 45 reached.
  • 7: Casey Blake 24.9, rest under 3 WAR. 14 of 45 reached.
  • 8: Kendall Graveman 9.2, rest under 0.5 (ugh). 7 of 45 reached.
  • 9: Jesse Barfield 39.4, Glenallen Hill 9.7, Jeffrey Hammonds 8.6 (DNS), Aaron Loup 6.3, rest under 1 WAR. 14 of 45 reached
  • 10: Yan Gomes 18.7, Ryan Freel 8.8, Jordan Romano 7.2, rest sub 4. 11 of 45 reached.
So some potential today of finding a star - the Jays have done well historically in these rounds with 2 guys in the 50's, 1 in the 40's, 2 in the 30's, 2 in the 20's, 7 in the 10's. So a total of 14 guys I'd rank as impact players plus a WS MVP in Borders and assorted guys who had their moments and might still crack 10+.

So basically a bit better than 1 in 4 odds of an impact player being drafted today by the Jays, a bit better than 1 in 10 of getting a star (30+ WAR). This is why guys like AA punted these picks to build cash to sign top picks - far better likelihood of it in rounds 1/2 than 3-10 or 11-20.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#431455) #
I'm guessing the Jays will do a few 'lets hope for a Graveman' picks today to try to save cash for their #1 pick. Jack Hurley is the best on the board ranked at #36. 5 more in the 40's are still around. 2 in the 50's. If the Jays get a top 50 ranked player I'll be happy as odds are that means he agreed to a reasonable bonus to sign here. More likely is a couple top 100's plus a few unranked guys who are seniors thus have no leverage ala Graveman. Ranks go up to 250 btw at the site.
Leaside Cowboy - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#431456) #
Here we go again!
Shoeless Joe - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#431457) #
Juaron Watts-Brown seems a little underwhelming to me. I understand he was mocked higher, but I don't fall in love with college pitchers with control issues.
Ducey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#431458) #
Watts-Brown. Fastball is 90-93, good slider. Hopefully they can unlock some more velocity and get him more in the 94-95 range consistently. He is 6'3" and only 190 as a 21 yr old, so maybe there is more projection there.

Looks like decent chance to be SP.
Marc Hulet - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#431460) #
Control issues, underwhelming FB movement/velo and a shoulder issue in high school... Not my cup of tea.
Gerry - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#431461) #
If you believe the Jays, they draft pitchers that the development side of the org can improve. It would be interesting to know if they had an influence over this pick but we will never know.
scottt - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#431462) #
Seems like they are saving money to pay for their first rounder.
hypobole - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#431463) #
Watts-Brown was a high-profile transfer from Long Beach State who had a down 2023, walking a batter every other inning and posting an ERA around 5.00. His breaking ball quality is still so good, and Brown is such a smooth operator on the mound, that he still presents a dev-friendly foundation for a team in the second round. Watts-Brown's slider breaks late and his curveball has big time depth. Both of them are easily plus, while the rest of his skill set is below average. His delivery is more graceful than it is athletic and powerful, and scouts are split as to whether or not JWB is going to throw harder in pro ball. Pro teams don't consider Oklahoma State to be especially good at developing pitchers, so perhaps there's meat on the bone here, either in terms of coaxing more velo out of Watts-Brown by altering his mechanics or simply by helping him impart more effective movement on that pitch. He could be a no. 4 starter with an improved heater and more consistent release, and is more like a generic no. 5 if he can only find one of those things.

John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#431464) #
Watts-Brown sounds like what I hoped for - a guy ranked higher than the Jays pick (#67 vs pick #89) who is dealing with issues that will drop his demands significantly while still having the potential to be a good player. Olerud dropped to the 3rd round due to signability concerns (had to give him a ML job to close the deal), Key was a guy without velocity (always underestimated throughout his career it seemed). Getting a superstar in the 3rd round is luck. I like rolling the dice here and hoping you get lucky and a guy with issues this year dropping him drastically in the draft sounds like a potential steal long term.
uglyone - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#431465) #
I like this pick too. Starter's arsenal, especially if they think a pro department can help his fastball a bit, either with a bit more velo or movement.

Of course it all depends on what TYPE of shoulder injury he had. Those blurbs are a bit unspecific there.
Ducey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#431466) #
Shoulder injury was playing football so not like he tore it throwing
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#431467) #
Say, how have the other teams been drafting in the AL East?
  • O's: Every pick ranked lower than they picked, 3 OF, 2 P, 4 juniors, 1 senior so far.
  • Red Sox: drafted #7 ranked guy with 14th pick, 52nd rank with 50th, 77th rank with 83rd, unranked with 115. C/2 SS/P so far. 2 Jr's, 2 high school kids. I suspect trying to find cash for that top pick.
  • Yankees: top pick ranked #31 used pick #26, ranked #174 using pick #97. A SS and a P. HS and Junior College.
  • Tampa: Pick #19 to get #15 rank, #31 got #38, #55 got #49, #88 got #137, #120 got #180. 4 college kids, 1 high school, 3 SS, an OF, and a 1B.
Interesting to see what the others are doing. Odd the O's are going against ranking so far, but they seem to know what they are doing given recent history. Rays dancing right near the ranking with their top 3 picks, then signability I think takes over. Yankees just 2 picks like the Jays so hard to read much into it yet.
hypobole - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#431468) #
Maroudis FG:

Looked meaningfully stronger during the spring of 2023, with fastball velos more often in the 93-95 mph range than the summer before. Upshot angle of heater gives it a shot to play at basically any velo in the 90s. Breaking ball quality is only okay, tends not to have nasty bite and depth but does have long break at times. Changeup is identifiable out of the hand right now, but he has feel for creating action on it. Relatively advanced fastball command and three-pitch foundation gives him a shot to start, breaking ball is more a potential big league weapon than a present one, and the cement is closer to dry on his frame than last summer.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#431469) #
I like the 4th round pick
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#431470) #
Landen Maroudis is interesting - not cheaping out yet as he is ranked #72 with pick #121. A high school RHP. His profile says he was an infielder with a good bat as well but is ranked as a 50 as a pitcher overall. Scouts think there might be another gear up in his skills once he stops hitting. I like it. Just hope the Jays can sign these guys.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#431471) #
In ex-Jay news - San Diego just drafted Homer Bush Jr. (assuming son of ex-Jay Homer Bush).
Gerry - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#431472) #
Nimmala's bonus for round 20 is $3.75M. With the teams overage allowance they could go to $4M. Do we think Nimmala is going to pass up $4M? I don't.

Nimmala's name was falling prior to the draft so why would he hold out for more? My opinion is that he will sign and the Jays don't have to cheap out elsewhere to sign him.
damos - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#431473) #
FWIW Klaw had Juaron Watts-Brown as his 54th ranked going into the draft. Think Baseball America has him at #46.
Nigel - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#431474) #
As I mentioned on the other thread, I have zero confidence in this FO's assessment and development of the hit tool in prospects so I'm quite happy to see them lean in a bit more on the pitching side here today. Just as concerns around pitch recognition are the biggest red flag for me on position prospects so are control issues with pitchers - ergo, I don't love the third round pick. I don't mind the idea of taking some risk on injury recovery though.
hypobole - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#431475) #
Canadian pitcher in round 5.
Kelekin - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#431476) #
The one thing I'll say with our current drafting philosophy is they at least don't tend to ignore any one thing, even if they favour some over others. I couldn't stand JPR's "must be a college player" philosophy for so long which just ignores taking the best players available.

I disliked the Kasevich/Doughty picks, but otherwise, on paper, Farrell has had some good drafts that have been looked at favourably at the time.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#431477) #
Connor O'Halloran for round 5 - ranked #164 taken with pick #157. Son of Greg O'Halloran (won a HR & RBI title in A ball as a Jay in 1990). A LH pitcher - always a good thing to have.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#431478) #
Just 3 guys left on the board from the top 50 - all high schoolers, 2 SS and 1 P. I'm guessing all 3 are going to college so won't be drafted until the 11th-20th rounds (doesn't cost any cap space if you don't sign them). No 50's left, 1 in the 60's. I assume all top 100 left have either signing issues, injury issues, or serious attitude issues.
Kelekin - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#431479) #
@John - I think you're right, but it's also possible some of those back-end top 100s or early top 250s are just not that high up on individual team lists. Once you get past 50 or so names, it really becomes more subjective (granted it's always fairly subjective).

Although I would love to see what happens if a team had no scouting department for the draft and experiments by purely using aggregated rankings. Because why not.
Ducey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#431480) #
Problem is signability. The aggregate may point to players that have no intention of signing with your team.

It is true though. I have seen a few brief studies where NHL teams would have just been better off relying on Bob MacKenzie's list from TSN
scottt - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#431481) #
Everybody says "best player" but all teams always have different valuation of the draftees.

With SS, it could be that the player looks more like a future 2B.
With pitchers, there are lots of potential issues even though most of them end up getting TJ surgery sooner than later.

There are always some guys who don't sign and they are mostly HS.

bpoz - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#431483) #
There should definitely be some cheap signings today not just to be able to pay A Nimmala. Round 11-20 could have 2-3 very good and expensive picks in which just 1 is signed.

Or save $300,000 and pay 3 players $425,000 or some kind of juggling. Guys like Svanson got $50,000. You can sign any number of $50,000-100,000 players as NDFAs if the limit is still $125,000.
Kelekin - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#431484) #
If there are going to be cheap signs, it definitely won't be our 6th rounder!
85bluejay - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#431486) #
I think Nimmala will sign for around slot.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#431488) #
As fans all we have are the rankings as I doubt any of us saw a few thousand college and high school players play this past year, let alone dug into health and other issues for them.

For a laugh here is how the 2020 draft was seen at the time. Detroit ranked #1 with negative WAR guy Spencer Torkelson, I don't recognize the others they drafted. Marlins #2 with Max Meyer at -0.1 WAR all that has reached. Rockies 3rd with #1 pick Zac Veen a top 50 prospect but a 612 OPS in AA this year (ugh for a corner OF). #4 Baltimore (covered before - done very well it seems). The Jays were ranked best with no bonus picks thanks to Martin & Van Eyk.

2013's draft is a funny one (Aaron Judge) - Yankees got a B+. Jays a C+ with no mention of Graveman, Boyd, or Jansen (all over 7 WAR). Yankees ended up being Judge & Nestor Cortes. Boston got an A but only 1 player cracked 1 WAR and he got to 3.9 (Mauricio Dubón). A- for the Twins whose only guy over 0.5 WAR is Mitch Garver at 8.2. Pirates were the only other A- or better team and had 2 hits - Adam Frazier (13.4) and Austin Meadows (6.4) with the best of the rest being Reese McGuire.

So be careful of the hot takes post-draft. These things take years to know who really did well, and there is always a surprise or two. I'm sure after the 2013 draft people would've said you were insane if you thought Graveman would have a better career than Meadows.
Ducey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#431491) #
Other than O'Halloran (who they got where he was ranked), the Jays are picking guys that are ranked higher than where the Jays are going them
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#431492) #
So far 2 high school kids (Nimmala and Maroudis), 4 junior college. All but one pick ranked higher and that one was barely off (164 vs 157). Interesting given Baltimore is the opposite (2 picked who were ranked higher than the pick, 7 ranked lower). Yankees always picking lower ranked than their pick. Boston only had their first 3 picks ranked at all, rest are unranked so far - guessing they need extra cash for that top pick of theirs (ranked 7 taken with 14th pick). Tampa in eyeshot with their first 3 picks, then picking much lower ranked so far.
hypobole - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#431493) #
Jays a C+ with no mention of Graveman, Boyd, or Jansen (all over 7 WAR).

There was no reason to mention them. Graveman and Boyd were generic college pitchers and Danny barely knew how to catch at the time.

Credit to Danny for learning and putting in a lot of work to get where he is today.

It wasn't until Graveman accidentally threw a cutter he became a prospect, and Boyd had an almost unheard of 2 velo bumps after he turned pro.
Kelekin - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#431494) #
I think Jays' have found their first $5000 signing bonus in the 8th round.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#431495) #
Good point hypobole - yeah, no reason to mention them but as luck would have it all 3 did better so far (and likely ongoing) than the big guy for Detroit. Shows how a draft can be a big crapshoot at times.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#431497) #
Agreed Kelekin - Braden Barry catches me as a guy who'll be happy to go pro. 3 years in the NCAA, lots of SB (led in 2022). Speed and durability are his calling cards. Nice for a value pick imo. Unranked.
Kelekin - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#431498) #
Thanks John for proving he exists - when I searched for him on TBC, it came up with a completely different person.

Looks to be fast, but average at most things.
GabrielSyme - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#431499) #
No college junior is going to be taking 5K in the 8th round. Maybe there's savings there, maybe not, but certainly not most of the slot value.
Ducey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#431500) #
Barry actually looks pretty toolsy. 6'4", 24 SB, pitched 38 innings in summer college league in 2021.
Mike Green - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#431501) #
Graveman was a generic college pitcher. Boyd was better than that. I thought that he had a decent chance to make it, and I was far from alone.
Gerry - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#431502) #
The Jays 9th round pick, Sam Shaw from BC is listed at 5'10" and he is the first player under six feet selected in the 9th round.
Gerry - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:33 PM EDT (#431503) #
Round 8, just one player under 6 feet.

Rounds 6 and 7, four under six feet each.

In the draft, size matters.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#431504) #
Surprisingly in round 1 there were 3 sub 6' guys drafted plus 3 dead on 6'. Guessing raw talent at a high level they feel they can ignore height more, but as you get into later rounds size becomes a bigger factor when you are going 'hmm, I have 10 guys I like about the same'. Gotta figure by round 5 and beyond teams have a batch of guys who are coin flips to choose between and go with other things than standard evaluations (where they live, size, gut feel, etc.) to pick who to take from a group of many who are about equal.
John Northey - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#431505) #
After talking about that fun 2013 draft - here is the thread from here about it. No one mentioned Boyd or Jansen in the comments (no shock) but Graveman was, as a joke smcs saying "Even though he was just drafted, Kendall Graveman has probably already been pencilled in to start next week." - yeah, 2013 was a rough year which started off with so much hope.
bpoz - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#431508) #
I remember the C'sPlus interviews. Niall does a great job bringing out the young mans personality. The player has to get past the FCL and FSL before the interview.

The player is always asked "what was your draft day like?" We find out he was contacted by the area scout. "We would like to draft you with our next pick". The chat would cover $ and signability and a few other things I presume. This is finances.

Later in the interview we find out that by Sat they are signed and have arrived in Dunedin. 2 weeks of getting to know the facility and the other players. Then assignments are made.
Shoeless Joe - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 06:18 PM EDT (#431511) #
Overall I think this is a good draft by the Jays, with Arjun, Maroudis and Bohroopen offering a lot of upside. O’HallOran is a good depth pitching who you hope can sustain what he flashes in college.

Watts-Brown reminds me of Chad Dallas though.
hypobole - Monday, July 10 2023 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#431512) #
Slot was $250 K for Boyd. He signed for $75 K. Before his velo bump he was pretty ordinary.
Glevin - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#431543) #
My quick thoughts on the draft.

I am not a draft expert or anything but I would generally always draft hitters with the top pick or 2 and then lots of pitchers after. Just way more variance on pitcher development. Loved the first pick because I think swinging for upside at pick #20 is a good way to go. The younger the player is, the more variance in their outcomes obviously but Nimmala has a chance to be special. Watts-Brown feels like an odd pick even though he was ranked higher but I think Jays must be a team who thinks they can get more out of him either by him putting on some weight or just being able to shift his mechanics to make his fastball better. Maroudis is the kind of guy I like drafting. High schooler, good stuff with room to grow. Unlikely to make it like all high school pitchers but in the 4th round, love it. Bohrofen probably only other interesting looking player to me. Losing a 2nd round pick hurts (obviously worth it to get Bassit) and the draft will hinge on Nimmala's development.
scottt - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#431544) #
Velo is not the most important thing.
Richards is a good example of a guy who commands an average fastball and mixes it up with a plus off-speed pitch.

There is a large amount of luck involved in developing the players which hasn't been very good lately, but I'm usually pretty happy with what the front office does during the week of the draft.

Would be nice to have a 24 that looks more like 22 with an extra pick or two instead of a missing pick.
Need to graduate a prospect or two soon.

Glevin - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#431546) #
"Velo is not the most important thing.
Richards is a good example of a guy who commands an average fastball and mixes it up with a plus off-speed pitch."

Watts-Brown has a 92-93 MPH and flat fastball. That doesn't work as a starter. Richards is an OK reliever but that's not really the kind of player you want to be trying to draft in the third round.
bpoz - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#431553) #
9 picks in total 5 hitters and 4 pitchers. Only Sam Shaw has speed I believe. He is either an IF or OF. It is not clear.

C O'Halloran is a LHP whose father Greg I believe was a C. So Connor should have received good instruction from his dad via workouts and phone calls.
Kelekin - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#431555) #
My belief is that the Jays look for pitchers where they think they can add velocity. Solid off-speed pitches don't grow on trees, but they've shown the ability to have pitchers improve fastball speed.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#431556) #
Watts-Brown's issues are command of the fastball and durability. The odds are against him, but you could say that for almost every third round pick.
GabrielSyme - Tuesday, July 11 2023 @ 01:25 PM EDT (#431559) #
By and large, I like the draft so far. Nimmala seems like a good upside pick - my anxious side reminds me of D.J. Davis and Justin Jackson, also toolsy highschool guys with uncertainty over their hit tool, but Nimmala was more highly regarded in general and seems to have more positive current aspects of his hitting (present raw power, ability against velocity) than I recall with Jackson or Davis.

Down the draft, I like that the Jays found a couple highschoolers in Shaw and Maroudis. I think the Jays front office has done a reasonable job finding later-round, less-heralded high school hitters (Jansen, Barger, Davis Schneider) and hopefully Shaw joins the list. Bohrofen seems like the college hitting equivalent of Nimmala - lots of power, questions about the hit tool. Obviously Nimmala offers a lot more defensive value. I also like getting Barry in the 8th round, a guy who seems to have a good mix of decent tools for that point in the draft.
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