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Connecticut-based Blue Jays fans might not want to get too excited about seeing the club's AA prospects for the foreseeable future. The New Haven Ravens have been sold to a fellow named Drew Weber, current owner of Boston's A-League affiliate in Lowell, Mass.

Weber has scheduled a news conference for tomorrow, to which the media and the local Ravens booster club have been specifically invited. Rumours are flying that Weber intends to move the team to Manchester, New Hampshire in time for the 2004 season. According to the article, the Ravens would play 2004 in refurbished temporary digs at Gill Stadium while a permanent ballpark is constructed across town as part of a massive riverfront redevelopment.





The rumoured move is very far from a done deal. There's the small matter of the Ravens' lease at their current ballpark, which runs through 2019 and could cost upwards of $10 million to shake. Not only that, but Manchester is within the franchise radius of Pawtucket, Rhode Island, and there's been no indication yet that the Red Sox are willing to waive or sell the exclusivity rights of their AAA team. Plus there's lots of approvals still to come: city councils, the Eastern League and major league baseball, to name the most important. And presumably, the Blue Jays will have something to say about this as well.

But if such a move does go through, then clear benefits to the Blue Jays can be discerned. Yale Field in New Haven is preceded by its negative reputation; word is that the condition of the park and field was a leading cause of the Cardinals' departure for greener pastures. Certainly, the fact that the Ravens' Website describes it as "historic Yale Field" doesn't provide much comfort. And consider that last year's Ravens finished dead last in attendance in the Eastern League. A new ballpark in an enthusiastic new city could provide a real advantage to both the critical AA team and to the organization itself, whose minor-league operations had grown stagnant in the years Before Ricciardi. The geographic advantage stays the same: moving players to Syracuse and Toronto remains a lot cheaper from New England than from the South. The only real downside is that if the sale doesn't go through, the Jays will be stuck with the lamest of lame-duck franchises and a seriously disaffected fan base.

Did the Blue Jays organization know about the potential sale of the Ravens when they moved their AA affiliate to New Haven from Knoxville? It seems incredibly unlikely that they didn't -- keeping something like that from a prospective franchisor is a good way to land yourself in court. And if, projecting further, this particular franchise moves from battered digs in a town with little fan interest into a brand new riverfront jewel in a city charged up about baseball, then Paul Godfrey and friends will have pulled off a rare buy-low, sell-high double. Tomorrow's news conference should be very interesting, as should events in the months and years to come.
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_R Billie - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 03:52 PM EST (#97904) #
(Cruz has signed with the Giants for one year plus a mutual option)

Let's not forget that Ricciardi is a native New Englander...coincidence maybe but who knows? Considering that the AA team is scheduled to be the most talented in the system for 2003 and perhaps 2004 as well, moving to a well populated new ballpark with a good ball team could give the farm system a nice morale boost.
Coach - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 04:33 PM EST (#97905) #
Did the Blue Jays organization know about the potential sale of the Ravens when they moved their AA affiliate to New Haven from Knoxville?

Did they have a choice? The way I understood it, St. Louis and Knoxville (closer to Atlanta, but "Cardinals country" includes a lot of Tennessee and Arkansas) made the decision, which meant the only possible AA affiliate open for Toronto was New Haven. If it does turn out well for the Jays, it may be as much a result of good fortune as wise planning.

Unless my failing memory extends to New England geography, Manchester is quite a bit north of Boston, near Concord, while Pawtucket is south, near Providence. I think it's a formality to get the Red Sox approval, as they really are different markets. On the other hand, the Jays are only committed to the Ravens through 2004, so you have to wonder if the Red Sox wouldn't be interested in a swap of AA clubs. I think after the music stopped last fall, they are now in Portland, Maine. Too bad, it really is a lame-duck 2003 for New Haven fans, but let's hope it gets settled for the 2004 season and beyond.
Pistol - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 04:39 PM EST (#97906) #
This would suck for me. I live outside of Hartford so New Haven is about 45 minutes away from me and I've been planning many a trip down there this year. I've never been to the Yale Bowl but my cousin tells me it's a dump.

The irony is that I used to live in Manchester, NH a few years ago. They got a minor league hockey team a couple years, a new arena, and now apparently a AA team.

I'd be surprised if this didn't go through. That area supports a lot of minor league hockey teams. I don't think it'd have a negative impact on Lowell. The Sox blocking the move because of Pawtucket would be just a move to be a jerk. There's no chance that anyone going to a Pawsox game would go to Manchester, NH.

For the Jays it'd be a good move in that they'll have better facilities and a larger fan base based just on the novelty of a new team and park in town.
Pistol - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 04:43 PM EST (#97907) #
Coach - Manchester, NH is about 60 miles north of Boston. Pawtucket is about 30 miles south of Boston (close enough for Mo to hit the Foxy Lady).

I believe Boston's AA team is now Norwich, CT after the Yankees left. That was one of the potential spots for the Jays last fall. I remember there being a lot of musical chairs in regards to AA cities (so Portland maybe correct for the Sox). I should look it up later.
_Jordan - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 05:04 PM EST (#97908) #
Pistol, I'm sorry to hear the move would take them out of your range -- this is going to be one very strong unit over the next year or two. I checked out http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com, which says the Norwich navigators are the Giants' affiliate, while the Red Sox are still in Pahtland. Why would the Giants have a AA team so far away from San Fran, or from AAA Fresno for that matter?

Here's the entire Eastern League lineup and affiliates, though there might have been more recent moves that aren't reflected yet:

North
Norwich Navigators -- SF Giants
New Haven Ravens -- Toronto
Binghamton Mets -- Mets
New Britain Rock Cats -- Twins
Trenton Thunder -- Yankees
Portland Sea Dogs -- Red Sox

South
Akron Aeros -- Indians
Harrisburg Senators -- Expos
Reading Phillies -- Phillies
Altoona Curve -- Pirates
Bowie Baysox -- Orioles
Erie SeaWolves -- Tigers

If the Ravens do move to Manchester, they'd likely remain in the Northern Division. They'll need a new name, too. How 'bout the Manchester Guardians?
_Scott Lucas - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 05:26 PM EST (#97909) #
Why would the Giants have a AA team so far away from San Fran, or from AAA Fresno for that matter?

San Francisco's AA affiliate last year was the Shreveport Swamp Dragons (bleah...) of the Texas League. Shreveport folded, to be replaced by the Frisco (TX) Roughriders, who are now the Rangers' AA affiliate. Colorado grabbed the Rangers' former affiliate in Tulsa.

I suppose the Giants had to move east to find an affiliate. El Paso has the westernmost AA franchise in the US.
Coach - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 05:37 PM EST (#97910) #
Pistol, Jordan -- the BoSox aren't "still" in Portland, it's where they've landed; the Yanks took over their old Trenton affiliation. SF was almost as far away as Norwich anyway with a Texas League team in Shreveport last year; that team (the Swamp Dragons!) may be defunct, as I recall a recent Craig B Primer post about a new lower-level franchise in the area looking for a name. Who knows where the Marlins went? That was Portland's parent club last year. Someone with a Baseball America subsciption might be able to sort it all out, but it's too confusing for me.
Coach - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 05:38 PM EST (#97911) #
Yeah, like Scott said. (Note to self: check for new posts before clicking button.)
_Jordan - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 05:43 PM EST (#97912) #
Interesting...thanks, Scott. You'd think that the Giants and Twins would each try to get a team in the Texas League, which would be much better geographically for both. But Minnesota did just move its AAA franchise from Edmonton to Rochester, so they're clearly not looking to move west right now.

It's a little unfortunate that 22 of the 30 AA teams are between the east coast and the Midwest. I suppose Akron is the farthest west of the teams in the Eastern and Southern Leagues? It's a little hard on the western division teams that have to go halfway across the country to visit their AA squads. Then again, since almost all these clubs travel by bus at that level, maybe we don't want to make a team take a road trip through Cheyenne, Ogden and Reno. Oh well.
Pistol - Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 06:01 PM EST (#97913) #
Well, they wouldn't be out of my range entirely. They would still be in the Eastern league so I could still see the road games in New Britain and Norwich (which are similar travel distances for me). The only drawbacks are that I would be less likely to see a specific starting pitcher (like Arnold this year) and the games would be more clumped together.

Of course, Norwich and New Britain have nice parks (they're basically nice spring training facilities). Plus Norwich is a short drive to the casinos!
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