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Strong stuff from Peter Gammons, who considers "the perception of mistrust with the Commissioner's Office" the game's biggest problem, and calls for change.

This past October we saw how good baseball can be, but it needs someone or something to blast it forward into the 21st century.

You'll be disappointed if you wanted more rumours about trades and free agents; this column is a "state of the game" lament, including the steroid issue and the spectre of collusion, directed at Bud and his credibility. Gammons calls it "a resounding embarrassment to baseball" that Wisconsin legislators and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel are calling for audits of the local team's books.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, Selig doesn't own the Brewers (wink, wink). No one can blame Selig for his annoyance with his image and public perception, but part of leadership is a balance of perception and reality; see Churchill, Reagan and J.F. Kennedy. And Selig does not exactly stand out in front of the game he loves a dashing, dynamic presence. The public perception is that he isn't a legitimate commissioner because he is an owner, and while no commissioner is really independent, the interim nature of his rise created perception problems. Then throw in the fact that the Brewers have been an abject disaster for a decade. Now these questions, raised by taxpayers who paid for Selig's park and legislators that he lobbied and it is necessary for all questions to be cleared up posthaste for it not to taint the man who is bringing Pete Rose back into the game.

Second, there is the Montreal issue, which might rival Rose's betting on Reds games as their manager for scandalous implications. Jayson Stark's piece detailing all the conflicts of this situation -- from the fact that the 29 other clubs who own the Expos have to be privy to any offers made to Vladimir Guerrero or anyone else, to the clear implication that the owners of the wild-card contenders did not want any further September expenses, which in turn helped their own teams in the race, raise issues that may not go away.


Gammons doesn't suggest that everything wrong with baseball is all Selig's fault; he shares some of the blame with the 28 owners and the MLBPA. I agree that both sides should work less in their own self-interests and more to improve the game, but I don't think that process can begin while one man, supposedly not involved with either team, makes a mess of two franchises.

Selig should resign and pay attention to the Brewers before the city turns on him. The next Commissioner should be a baseball fan, not an owner or a labour lawyer. The position requires strong mediation skills, respect from both sides and fluency with the media -- is Bill Clinton interested?



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Joe - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 02:22 PM EST (#85346) #
Gammons' article outlines just how deep in it the Selig administration really is, but sadly it's so poorly edited as to be a distraction from the message itself. (How could a professional writer make a their/there mistake?)

The interaction which defined Bud Selig for me happened a few years ago when everyone was up in arms about 'juiced balls.' I think it was Griffin who wrote an article about Billy Koch unwinding the yarn around a ball from the current year and the previous year, and comparing how far the rubber cores bounced when dropped. The new core, naturally, bounced higher.

Selig, when confronted with the idea of the juiced ball, denied that anything had changed from one year to the next. "Besides," he added, "the fans seem to like the increased offense."
_Scott Lucas - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 03:10 PM EST (#85347) #
Meanwhile, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel features this hagiography of Selig that obliquely blames the fans for the Brewers' malaise.

For me, his appalling performance before the House Judiciary Committee completely obliterated what little credibility he might have had. I watched it live on CSPAN3 (yeah, I'm a nerd) and though he got off too easy. The congressmembers rightly berated him for his vague answers and constant assertions that the numbers have been audited, but they didn't press him on the intracompany transactions that hide so much revenue.

I wonder if anything juicy will be revealed in the racketeering lawsuit against Selig and Co.
_Shane - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 03:26 PM EST (#85348) #
Gammons on Hot Stove:

The Twins have to pare payroll so they can try to re-sign Shannon Stewart and either Everyday Eddie Guardado or Hawkins. They have talked to Toronto about Orlando Hudson, as have the Indians, Red Sox and several teams. The Jays have patched their pitching well with Ted Lilly and Pat Hentgen, but want more young pitching, even with Dustin McGowan, Jason Arnold and David Bush scheduled for September arrivals.

Anyone remember who/where mentioned that Ricciardi had been rebuffed by Mark Shapiro on the prospects of acquiring Cliff Lee? It was fairly recent.
_jim854 - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 03:56 PM EST (#85349) #
If Bud 'Light' Selig permits Pete 'wanna bet' Rose to manage a baseball team again, then we will have conclusive proof that there are no values, such as honesty and integrity, in professional baseball.

I can almost accept his admission to the Hall because it would acknowledge his exploits as a ball player, perhaps the best of his generation. However if he can (mis)manage a baseball team again, no one - player, coach, owner, etc., - can ever again be discipined by the Comish for gambling indiscretions or for their association with known criminals.

Also, his handling of the Expos and the drug issue is conclusive proof that he has reached his 'Peter' principle and is incompetent in his role as the Comish of baseball. Unfortunately, the owners of the other 28 teams will not appoint a Comissioner with some independance or who has honesty and integrity.

How sad!
Craig B - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 05:23 PM EST (#85350) #
If Bud 'Light' Selig permits Pete 'wanna bet' Rose to manage a baseball team again, then we will have conclusive proof that there are no values, such as honesty and integrity, in professional baseball.

For my part, I'm not so sure I *want* baseball to be a standard-bearer for "values", "honesty", and "integrity". I'm more comfortable with baseball being cutthroat and backstabbing, meritocratic and unsympathetic. Most of all, I want baseball to be greedy and self-interested!
_Kristian - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 05:23 PM EST (#85351) #
ESPN insiders had a report saying the Indians turned down the Jays offer of Hudson of Cliff Lee. Obviously the Jays are shopping Orlando Hudson who despite being very strong with the glove has a low on base percentage and JP just dosent seem to be too high on him which many people can confirm.
_Cristian - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 05:36 PM EST (#85352) #
For my part, I'm not so sure I *want* baseball to be a standard-bearer for "values", "honesty", and "integrity".

I don't want this either. However, what I do need is, every time I watch a baseball game, to believe that the outcome has not been predetermined. That's why baseball can be full of wife-beaters, drug addicts, and complete jerks for all I care. However, the moment that I believe that the game is run by gamblers, I will stop watching.
Pistol - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 06:59 PM EST (#85353) #
JP just dosent seem to be too high on him which many people can confirm

Who?
_Tassle - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 07:23 PM EST (#85354) #
I think the perfect commish for Major League Baseball might be Rudy Giuliani. Would he be interested?
_Kristian - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 07:27 PM EST (#85355) #
JP just dosent seem to be too high on him which many people can confirm

Who?

Besides 3 people who I know have had the opportunity to meet and discuss certain aspects of the Blue Jays with JP Riccardi who was very open with them on specific players not just Orlando Hudson, there have been multiple reports on ESPN, The Sporting News and radio about the Blue Jays willingness to part with Hudson. This is two fold, Hudson has value to other teams which is needed to get value in return and for the fact that the Blue Jays might deem him expendable. The Jays philosophy is to get on base and Hudson does that poorly. The Jays dont seem to put a huge emphasis on defence and already have a weak infield defence even with Hudson. They also have Adams who projects more as a 2nd basemen so the depth is available at least long term. I think Hudson can add a lot to the team but its obvious he is on the block and has been for over 2 years. I also would rather have Cliff Lee or a young starter than Hudson as well. Pitching is much harder to come by and in the American League 2nd base is now becoming a position where at least some offence is expected.
_Kristian - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 07:32 PM EST (#85356) #
Have a commissioner who was a "former" owner takes away from Baseball and its credibility. Bud Selig had no credibility before this article and it just keeps getting worse. The NFL and the NBA to a certain extent have created leagues where there is parity and your teams fortunes for the most part arent pre-determined by your spending abilities. The NFL is the best example of this and how your team can go 4-12 yet the next year make the playoffs. In Baseball besides die hards and true fans it is becoming harder to increase the fan base as say in Detroit they know they have almost 0 chance to be competitive. Rudy Guilani would be a great choice to lead Baseball and hopefully make the changes it needs to grow.
Pistol - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 08:07 PM EST (#85357) #
JP just dosent seem to be too high on him which many people can confirm

Who?

Besides 3 people who I know have had the opportunity to meet and discuss certain aspects of the Blue Jays with JP Riccardi who was very open with them on specific players not just Orlando Hudson, there have been multiple reports on ESPN, The Sporting News and radio about the Blue Jays willingness to part with Hudson.


I don't dispute that he has been involved in trade talks, but that doesn't mean that JP 'isn't too high on him', which is why I asked who.
_Kristian - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 08:46 PM EST (#85358) #
I guess I should have kept my point to the fact that the Jays seem to be more than willing to trade Hudson rather than a GM's personal view on that player which he would never share to a reporter generally speaking. It is interesting that both this offseason and last Hudson seemed to be a central figure in trade discussions, not Josh Phelps or one of the outfield prospects. I guess based on information I have heard or read it is my personal opinion that JP is not a huge Hudson fan which I feel is true but cant substantiate without betraying the confidences of others hence I shouldnt have made the statement originally. I hope if they do move him they get a great arm back in return and to me and its seems to the Blue Jays he is very expendable.
_peteski - Sunday, November 23 2003 @ 09:40 PM EST (#85359) #
I guess it depends on who we get in return for him, but I'm not sure how Hudson is all that expendable. Any prospect worth mentioning seems to be at least a year away, and most realistic options I've heard for the interim are inferior to Hudson both offensively and defensively. If we were going to trade him for an arm or whatever, we'd better have a good plan to replace him.
_Johnny Mack - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 10:06 AM EST (#85360) #
From the first post in this thread:

Gammons' article outlines just how deep in it the Selig administration really is, but sadly it's so poorly edited as to be a distraction from the message itself. (How could a professional writer make a their/there mistake?)

I agree with Joe to some extent, but it's more than the their/there problem. The article is not just badly edited, the article is badly written. The first sentence may be the worst opening since "It was a dark and stormy night." Now, I'd like to say that Gammons is not attempting to write "literature," but I believe that first sentence to be an attempt at "writing." It seems to me that he's been doing this more and more over the past couple of seasons, and it's nearing the point where this baseball fan is beginning to find the man unreadable.

Gammons' prose has never been more than journeymanlike, adequate for the job at hand. His strength has been his baseball connections, his sources within organizations, which appear to give him inside information on deals, and rumours of deals, and on what shakeups might be happening here and there around baseball.

In some ways, Gammons has become a glorified gossip columnist. And this is where the bad writing/editing do more than distract me from the content -- they make me question his credibility. If a man doesn't bother to take care of such basic things as grammar, syntax and spelling (errors of each type appeared in this latest column), why should we trust that what he has to say about anything else has any value?

This saddens me, because much of what he has to say about Selig is valid.

But imagine a reader who chose this column as his first introduction to a supposed deeper look at baseball.... If it were me, the tortured writing and the errors would send me away shaking my head, quite possibly with the impression that baseball was a sport cared about mostly by mental midgets.

What am I trying to say?

Wake up, Gammons, and remember that you are also an ambassador for baseball. Take more care with the columns you publish on the internet: if you're beyond the point of being able to edit yourself, either quit writing or hire an editor. We would all be better off if you did one of those two things.
_coliver - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 12:38 PM EST (#85361) #
I agree peteski, if JP trades Hudson, there better be an adaquate replacement.

In my humble opinion, the Jays are still hurting, middle infielder wise, with the silly trade of Izturis, the lack of development and trade of Lopez, the Bernhardt fiasco, etc etc etc. Think about it, for years the Jays were a hotbed for middle infielders, but so many of them never developed--Jimy Kelly, Hector Mercedes, Brandon Jackson, Eddie Zosky, Eddy Vasquez, I can keep listing on and on.

Tony Fernandez was the only top-flight shortstop the Jays ever developed. Don't bring up Gonzo with his 150 Ks per year--I still believe that Tomas Perez would have been better on a day-to-day basis in the mid to late 1990s.

Nelson Liriano was our best home-grown 2B and after losing Alomar 8 years ago it has been a revolving door of 2Bs until the O-Dog arrived with his pimp-dawg style. Let's keep him.
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 01:22 PM EST (#85362) #
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Izturis and Lopez? Are you joking? The former is possibly the worst everyday player in baseball and the latter is stuck in AAA for a lousy team.

I'm a big fan of the O-Dog and I don't think the Jays can get enough for him to make a trade worthwhile. But even if the Jays got rid of O-Dog and still had Lopez and Izturis, they'd both be in AAA. They'd easily be behind Woodward, Bordick, Berg, Clark, and maybe Sequea on the depth chart.

Mike
_Jonny German - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 02:03 PM EST (#85363) #
Coliver, what exactly is a "hotbed for middle infielders"? It appears to me that the Jays fit your definition simply by having had a bunch of middle infielders in the minors through their history, one of whom turned out to be a pretty good player. Maybe I'm naive, but I would have thought every major league organization would have a bunch of middle infielders in the minors at all times, and 1 star every 25 years doesn't sound like a real high standard.

And what was silly about trading Izturis? Cesar Izturis is to Alex Gonzalez as Alex Gonzalez is to Alex Rodriguez. The man would be more useful at the plate if his strategy was to ignore the bat and just intentionally throw himself in front of as many pitches as possible. Yes, he'd probably end up on the DL a lot if he did that. That would also help his team.
_Kristian - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 03:15 PM EST (#85364) #
Michael Young would be nice to have right now though. The Jays have traded Abernathy, Izturis, Lopez and Young with really only Young as a player they could use. As far as O-Dog is concerned he does not yet hit for power or average, does not get on base so his value to date lies with his defence.Hopefully he will improve and not be a platoon player as we need more than that to compete for a playoff birth in the American League. If Toronto can get another good young starter for him I say do it. We need pitching to compete with New York and Boston who it looks like will be adding Curt Schilling for Fossum and 2 prospects.
_peteski - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 06:23 PM EST (#85365) #
There was nothing wrong with trading Izturis, but making that trade (Izturis and Quantrill for Prokopec and someone else I think) was pretty silly. J.P. had done very good things during his time here, but it has to be said, that was a pretty bad trade.
Pepper Moffatt - Monday, November 24 2003 @ 07:10 PM EST (#85366) #
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There was nothing wrong with trading Izturis, but making that trade (Izturis and Quantrill for Prokopec and someone else I think) was pretty silly. J.P. had done very good things during his time here, but it has to be said, that was a pretty bad trade.

In retrospect, yes, but at the time it looked pretty good. Imagine how much brighter the Jays outlook would be for 2004 if Prokopec turned out to be the #2 the Jays were looking for at a price of a couple million.

I still think he may have been damaged goods before he got to Toronto, but we'll never know for sure.

Mike
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