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Power outages, a salute to Tom Cheek, and a win over the Yankees -- what more could you ask for? The Jays enjoy an off-day today to savour a remarkable Sunday afternoon.


Game Reports
Yes, there are a lot of electricity-related headlines this morning, aren’t there?

The Star: Blue Jay power surge too much for Yankees -- “Gabe Gross, a Blue Jay all of 3 1/2 weeks, delivered Eric Hinske with the 3-2 go-ahead run with a line single to right. He's more than a little interested in how big-league teams go about regrouping after stunning 12-run losses. ‘The main thing I got watching the guys yesterday, was simply that it happened and it's over,’ said Gross. ‘Since I've been here, this team's done a pretty good job of each day being brand new. Really. And that's win or lose.’”

The Sun: Jays emerge from dark -- “Then came the shakiest of ninths, when Jason Frasor gave up a leadoff homer. ‘What was going through my mind? Good thing it wasn't a one-run lead, I had two more to spare,’ Frasor said."

The Globe & Mail: Jays prevent a sweep -- Frasor said Gibbons tried to ease the tension with his visit. ‘He made a reference to a movie that I'd never seen before,’ Frasor said. ‘He went on to explain a little bit [later], but at the time it was a pat on the back and made a reference to some comedy, and I just laughed with him but I didn't know what he was talking about.’ ‘It was tape we had on the plane, Blue Collar Comedy Tour,’ Gibbons said. ‘There are four guys, and [one of them], Larry the Cable Guy, always says, Get 'er done.’”

MLB.com: Jays power up to take finale -- "'We played better ball today. We came out with a better attitude,’ said Miguel Batista, who started for Toronto. ‘We had a team meeting and some things were said about how to play the game. We're not a second-class big league team -- we're a big league team. We have a lot of pieces here to make a very competitive team. We weren't [competitive] at the beginning of the season, but there are still some things we can do.’”


Other Items

Richard Griffin: Jays salvage some pride in win over NY --“All in all, the game translated into ‘Yes, we can compete.’ Unfortunately, that ability to compete is listed as ‘day-to-day.’”

Cap Day goes awry as Jays go cap in hand to fans. Personally, had I gotten a new hat instead of one those gawd-awful retro caps on Saturday, I would be immensely pleased. Those old versions are “retro” for a reason.

Blue Jays watch -- Bullpen rearrangement continues, as Dave Maurer goes back to Syracuse and Bob File returns to Toronto.


Tom Cheek Day

Blue Jays honour emotional Cheek -- “[Cheek] opened with a line about having to hurry because of an hour-long delay caused by a pre-game blackout and because ‘I know the Yankees are ready to hit the road — and the sooner the better on that note.’”

Cheek earns a place on Level of Excellence -- “The one decision he has agonized over and still, to this day, regrets, involved the graduation of his daughter, Lisa, from college. ‘I was going to go to it, but she said, "Dad, I'm going to walk across the stage and grab a piece of paper and walk out. Mom's going to be there, so don't worry about it and don't miss the broadcast because of it." So I went to work, and I spent that night watching a ballgame and thinking about her. And I still think about it and I should have been there.’”

Cheek honoured by Jays -- “He said he started to understand his profound impact on the fans when he encountered several similar envelopes. ‘They said, "Since I was a little kid, you've been a sound of summer." That gave me an idea of what this day is about,’ he said, his voice starting to crack. ‘I've received so many I could never ever say Thank You to all that sent them. I hope the word gets out to everybody. I say, Thank You and God bless you. To everybody. To everybody.’”
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_Jim - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 09:35 AM EDT (#38529) #
I think the Yankees have the alias that Jason Frasor has been living under.
The late great Laura Branigan; Gloria.
_NYJaysFan36 - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#38530) #
Wow, never thought I'd see a "Larry the Cable Guy" reference in a major league baseball write-up. Kinda funny that John Gibbons initiated it. John Gibbons played catcher at AAA Scranton in 1990. I was only 9 years old when he came to do an autograph signing at the photo store where my mom worked. He was a really nice guy, I have a lot of pictures. He was also very skinny compared to today's catchers and even to today's John Gibbons, hehehee.
I wish him the best of luck. He's been at this for a long time now. I saw managing AAA Norfolk back in 2000 as well against Scranton. He's paid his dues that's for sure.

-Bob
_Jordan - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#38531) #
Late and (at least by me), lamented: I had a something of a crush on her when she first debuted. She passed away yesterday, for those who haven't heard. A million points for Jim, and a little tribute:

_Daryn - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#38532) #
With regards to Tom's banner,

when I was at the dome last week, I noted that "all" the blank spots seemed to have a banner in it already... on TV I could see that Tom is now to the left of Pat Gillick..

Does anyone remember who's banner used to be there, and where it was moved to?
_NYJaysFan36 - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:14 AM EDT (#38533) #
I know this may be quite a steep request, but does anyone know how to get a copy of the video file that the Jays use at the beginning of their games showing the first game in the snow and the 10 homers in a game and Steib's no-hitter, etc?
I have to build up a tolerance to it so I can keep my dignity during the first inning when I go back to SkyDome. hehehehe
Another cool thing to have would be the "Okay Blue Jays" MP3 that they use at the park. I found streaming audio of the original song somewhere online, but its just not the same. Not enough bass or something, hahaha.
Take it easy guys, better days are ahead!

-Bob

P.S. Bob File comes back to the team the day after I get out to a game with my game-worn File jersey, ARGH!
_Daryn - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#38534) #
P.S. Bob File comes back to the team the day after I get out to a game with my game-worn File jersey, ARGH!

Maybe that is why!...
_Paul D - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#38535) #
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyside303947945aug30,0,3955285.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
COMN for an article where Mussina complains about Tom's tribute going late.
Named For Hank - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#38536) #
http://aaronreynolds.ca
Mussina, what a jackass. First they can't take the drum, now they can't take a tribute to the voice of the Jays. Tell me, dear New York Yankees, what are we allowed to do in our own stadium? Pretty please?
Named For Hank - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#38537) #
http://aaronreynolds.ca
By the way, on the hat issue -- the one they gave to us when the retro hats didn't arrive was the Puma version that they sell for about $20. Sure, it ain't the $35 Authentic Fitted Hat, but it's awfully nice compared to the Canadian Tire Retro Hat that they gave away a few seasons ago, which I imagine is about the same as the Primus Retro Hat that they gave out on Sunday.

Unless you totally hate the new hat and totally love the old hat, I'd say you made out better on Saturday.
_Gwyn - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#38538) #
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3397
interview with JP at BP (COMN).
_Four Seamer - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#38539) #
Mussina, what a jackass.

I agree entirely. Mussina should be absolutely ashamed of himself. I can't say I'm totally surprised that a ballplayer would display such incredible selfishness and ignorance, but I would have expected a little more from a Stanford grad. I hope people display a little more sensitivity towards him should he ever contract a serious illness.
_Moffatt - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#38540) #
Thanks for the pinch hit. :)

Great choice of song today. I couldn't believe it when I heard she passed away. She was so young and unlike, say, Freddie Mercury, I don't think anyone saw this coming.
_Jonny German - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#38541) #
The article says that Mussina didn't know about the ceremony until he finsihed his warmups and left the bullpen. What I want to know is, why isn't the pathetic whiner complaining about his own coaches for not keeping their starter in the loop? It wasn't exactly a surprise ceremony. Also, what are Wussina's thoughts on the marathon 7th-inning stetches at Yankee Stadium?
Dave Till - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#38542) #
Didn't Mussina, once upon a time, also warm up during an All-Star game, without being asked, in order to show up Cito Gaston?

Here's my, erm, favourite quote from the linked article:

"I congratulate the man who got 4,300 games, but sitting for 15 extra minutes before the game was supposed to start - that was worse"

Sitting for fifteen whole minutes? Poor baby. I'll bet he has a tantrum whenever there is a rain delay during one of his starts.
_Moffatt - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#38543) #
Sitting for fifteen whole minutes? Poor baby. I'll bet he has a tantrum whenever there is a rain delay during one of his starts.

Maybe the Yankees should change their logo to this:

Craig B - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#38544) #
How can Barry Bonds manage to stay so popular with the fans when he gets nothing but abuse from the media? Last night the fans in Atlanta gave him *two* standing ovations after his first home run (he hit another one later and got another standing O). That's three standing ovations for a member of the visiting team, who's beating the home team's brains out.

How can this be? All one ever hears of Bonds is what an awful man he is, and how unpopular.

It's a tribute to the intelligence of fans everywhere that they refuse to swallow the "party line" on Bonds.
_Moffatt - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#38545) #
I was watching that game last night too Craig and I thought the same thing. Thanks for bringing it up.

Same thing goes for Gary Sheffield. Most of what I hear about him from the media is negative, yet the few times I've heard a former teamate talk about him, they have nothing but positive things to say.
Gerry - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#38546) #
Gwyn, does JP have anything new to say?
_NYJaysFan36 - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#38547) #
Mussina is a jackass. He is from Montoursville, PA which is about an hour and a half from Scranton where I grew up. Just about everybody in Montoursville hates him because when he comes back to town he acts like he owns the place. He insists on training at his old high school, but noone else is allowed to be there when he is.
Ever since he left Baltimore out of greed he's become the pre-requisite brainwashed Yankee asshole. Thinks his needs come before everyone else.
_Marc - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:58 AM EDT (#38548) #
Anyone know of a site that lists which players are eligible for arbitration after this season?
robertdudek - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 11:58 AM EDT (#38549) #
How can Barry Bonds manage to stay so popular with the fans when he gets nothing but abuse from the media?

I think there are plenty of people in the media that love Barry Bonds. I've never heard a play-by-play man or a colour commentator say anything bad about him. Mostly they just marvel at what he does. The only negativity comes from some of the writers.

The fans love him because he is so freakin' amazing. I think anyone who watches him play is aware that they are seeing a player the likes of which they will never again see in their lifetimes.
Craig B - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:22 PM EDT (#38550) #
Question Of The Day

Rick Ankiel's total performance in the minors since his return:

23.2 innings, 9 hits, 2 walks, 23 strikeouts.

He threw six innings yesterday, gave up one hit, walked none, and struck out five.

So my question is this:

If you were Walt Jocketty, would you call up Rick Ankiel today or tomorrow so that he is eligible for the postseason roster?
Craig B - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#38551) #
Holy crap! Ankiel got through those six innings in 53 pitches. 44 strikes, nine balls. Wow. And yes, LaRussa has already speculated that Ankiel may be added.
_Daryn - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:25 PM EDT (#38552) #
I think there are plenty of people in the media that love Barry Bonds. I've never heard a play-by-play man or a colour commentator say anything bad about him. Mostly they just marvel at what he does. The only negativity comes from some of the writers.

I think the Writers think that the players are obligated to give each and every one of them a unique witty quote to sell their newspapers... and when someone doesn't comply (ie make their job easy) the dub him a "bad attitude"...

How often do you hear a player referred to as good or bad based on how good he is TO the beat reporters...

If Pete Rose gave better interviews, we'd all be being told he was a SAINT with a disease, instead he's a bum... you figure it out...
_Daryn - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#38553) #
P.S. I didn't mean to start a Pete Rose debate, was just trying to think of someone the media has helped paint as a "bad person"..
_Marc - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#38554) #
Ankiel has looked awesome in his return from surgery/wildness but I would not rush him. Call him up in September and let him get a solid month in while giving some other pitchers a rest. Then he can sit in the dugout, soak up the playoff experience and be ready to compete next season. I wouldn't risk throwing him off his streak by putting him in the pen and the Cards have all the guns they need in the starting rotation for the playoffs.
_Jordan - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#38555) #
Ankiel lost it for the first time in the post-season, and I'd be reluctant to throw him back into the fire again after such a rapid rise through the minors. But that's no reason not to call him up and let him hang out in the clubhouse and in the bullpen during September, and if appropriate send him into a mop-up game or two. You can always deactivate him for the playoffs if he doesn't seem to be right.

Mental issues are almost impossible to manage, and nobody (including Ankiel) knows what will happen when he first steps on a mound in front of 50,000 people. Without knowing the Cardinals' internal reports on Ankiel's head, I personally doubt he'll appear in the playoffs. But by all means, call him up now and let Dave Duncan get a first-hand look. Youneverknow.
Named For Hank - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#38556) #
Totally, totally off-topic: can anyone recommend a comic book store to me in Toronto on the subway line somewhere? Or some kind of gaming store. COMN and e-mail me if you have suggestions.
Pistol - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#38557) #
If you were Walt Jocketty, would you call up Rick Ankiel today or tomorrow so that he is eligible for the postseason roster?

Aren't there tricks for giving you more options for the postseason roster? If they called Ankiel up today and put someone on the DL, wouldn't both players be eligible for the postseason?
Coach - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#38558) #
I'm a St. Louis fan who hopes they promote Ankiel tomorrow. Steve Kline's on the DL with a pulled groin, and who knows if Randy Flores can do the job? Assuming that Ricky's arm -- and of equal or greater importance, his psyche -- are sound, it would be a shame if he isn't eligible for the postseason, because he might be needed. I'd let him work in long relief once or twice, consider a spot start and keep as many options open as possible.

I'm sure Jocketty can work out the roster management issues, but I wonder why, after trading for Walker, the Cards kept all three of Cedeno, Mabry and Taguchi around. That's almost as redundant as having Berg, Gomez, Menechino and Woodward.
Craig B - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#38559) #
That's almost as redundant as having Berg, Gomez, Menechino and Woodward.

To be fair, though, Kent, only two of those guys play the same position. We all know Menechino's the closer and Bergy's an outfielder/DH.
Craig B - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#38560) #
Marc, Jordan and Kent touched on the issues that make this choice so hard. I really would call up Ankiel... you have everything to gain, and really nothing to lose, since Kline is now DLed. So when playoff time comes you can replace Ankiel with Kline, and no harm done. If you want to keep Ankiel, you replace someone else with Kline.

But boy, what a risk. The Cards have a 15-game lead, so no pennant race left. You can get Ankiel six relatively pressure-free starts between now and the end of the season. But Ankiel basically blew up without warning, shrapnel all over the place, the last time he was in the playoffs. The argument that he should get a whole regular season under his belt before heading back there is compelling.

If it's me, I call him up, because I'm a risk-taker by nature (in baseball, anyway) and in baseball so often the spoils go to the bold. Ankiel, to his credit, maintains that he'd be surprised to be called up and is taking his comeback, in the old cliche, one day at a time. So true in his case.

I'll say one thing; the Cardinals certainly do NOT have that one dominant starter that makes so much difference in the playoffs. They have a very nice group; five guys most teams would be quite happy to make their #2 in Carpenter, Morris, Marquis, Williams and Suppan. They have five relievers who have been regular as clockwork for them as well. But that's only ten pitchers; the logical choice for an eleventh isn't Mike Lincoln or Jason Simontacchi or even Kiko Calero. It's Rick Ankiel, the one guy in the organization who can be dominant.
Thomas - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#38561) #
I agree with Craig. I think you have to keep the option of Ankiel open and call him up today. If he fares poorly in September, or if there are serious questons about head issues (like, for example, he expresses reluctance to pitch in the playoffs) then you don't activate him for theplayoffs. But to have that arm as an option out of the bullpen, especially if he smokes major league hitters in September, is something which could make a difference in a playoff situation. Craig's right, you can't underestimate the difference between Simontacchi and Ankiel.

Apparently Minnesota called up Jason Kubel today for the same reason. I got to see Kubel play in Ottawa on Friday. He missed a home run by about two feet, and he also hit a long, loud foul. He made solid contact every time he hit the ball, and went 1 for 4 with a key single in the 8th inning of Eddy Rodriguez. As his stats indicate he didn't appear overly selective, but he's got the look of a hitter about him. From my vantage point (great seats behind the dugout) I noticed that he swung over every single ball he missed. I don't know if that's telling of anything, but I couldn't help but notice that as I watched him.
_Daryn - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#38562) #
I agree with Craig. I think you have to keep the option of Ankiel open and call him up today. If he fares poorly in September, or if there are serious questons about head issues (like, for example, he expresses reluctance to pitch in the playoffs) then you don't activate him for the playoffs.

Actually ther eis some confusion about the September 1st deadline. it is commonly stated that you set the post season roster with the 25 man roster at that time.. but its not true..

I THINK you can't bring someone "into the organization", and activate him for the playoffs, but anyone in your system (at least on the 40 man roster including the 15Day DL) is eligible...

I suspect he's eligible right away, however my temptation is to put him in middle relief/mop up for September with NO expectation of post season work...
_Rob - Monday, August 30 2004 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#38563) #
Main Entry: bull·et·in board ma·te·ri·al
Function: noun
1 a (1) : relating to, derived from, or consisting of matter posted on a board in a athletic clubhouse; especially one meant to inspire the team to beat the crap out of the other team.
Example:
"I congratulate the man who got 4,300 games, but sitting for 15 extra minutes before the game was supposed to start - that was worse."
_Smiley - Tuesday, August 31 2004 @ 02:52 AM EDT (#38564) #
I would have expected a little more from a Stanford grad.

Why? Getting a degree from a good school means you're good at school; it doesn't mean you're not an asshole.
_Four Seamer - Tuesday, August 31 2004 @ 10:36 AM EDT (#38565) #
I would have expected a little more from a Stanford grad.

Why? Getting a degree from a good school means you're good at school; it doesn't mean you're not an asshole.


No, but it suggests that Mussina should have seen a little more of the world than most of his colleagues. Universities claim to educate the whole person, and equip their graduates with the skills needed to succeed in life, and sympathy and understanding rank highly in that list. You and I both know that this proposition is undermined every day by university graduates, including me, but I still think it fair to hold someone who's been given innumerable opportunities in life to a higher standard.
_Smiley - Tuesday, August 31 2004 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#38566) #
I still think it fair to hold someone who's been given innumerable opportunities in life to a higher standard.

Fair enough. Well said.
_ACT - Tuesday, August 31 2004 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#38567) #
A question that someone here might know: I'm trying to find the walk-on music for our favorite novelist-turned-starter, El Artista himself. Any clues? It's been driving me nuts. I'm singing it in grocery store lines.
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