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This matchup wouldn't have been must-see TV in the regular season, so as an exhibition match, it was even more of a snoozer. But there were still some positive signs as the Jays thumped Tampa in this Sunday tilt.

Dave Bush headlined Toronto's victory with four shutout innings, working against many of the Devil Rays' likely Opening-Day starters. Reed Johnson drove in a couple of runs with a double, while Gabe Gross reached base via both the bloop and the line drive. The Jays' first three runs were unearned, thanks to a Julio Lugo error, so the offence still has not reached juggernaut status, exactly. A few notes on the game:

* As Andrew K noted in the Game Thread, Russ Adams made an errant throw at one point that pulled 1B Eric Hinske off the bag. This sight is growing familiar to Jays fans, who should probably get used to it for at least the first half of the season. Adams has fine range, goes to his left extremely well, and is a smart defender, but his arm strength is not terrific, and accordingly, he does tend to rush his throws somewhat. A full season of coaching from Brian Butterfield will make a big difference, but for the first half of 2005, Jays fans should be prepared to be patient with the rookie shortstop.

The flip side of Adams' throwing challenges, of course, is that Hinske will have to step up and help his young teammate out. Nothing gives a new infielder more confidence than the knowledge that if his throw goes awry, his first baseman will be there to bail him out. Carlos Delgado's defence drew mixed reviews over the years, but his ability to snag low throws from his infielders was one of his strengths. Hinske, naturally, has plenty of experience snapping up sharp grounders on the short hop, so he should be ahead of the game in that respect. But it still bears watching.

* The Jays beat up on former teammate Mark Hendrickson yesterday. While a few of JP Ricciardi's player transactions have been questioned lately, pretty much everyone agreed at the time that flipping the hulking lefty to the Rockies for Justin Speier was a terrific deal. Speier struggled a little last year with injuries, but when he's on, he's a solid reliever: he held opponents to a .239 average in 2004 and was slated to close for the Jays before Miguel Batista moved into the role. Speier should function as a solid and reliable 8th-inning setup man -- and let's give him a shout-out for his classy, team-first public reaction to the move. Hendrickson, meanwile, went 10-15 with a 4.81 ERA for the Rays, allowing 211 hits in 183 innings to go with an uninspiring 46/87 BB/K rate. All of which to say, the trade looked good then and it looks good now.

* Spring training statistics mean bupkus. But consider that Gabe Gross has 5 home runs this spring. The rest of the Blue Jays, combined, have 6.

* How many teams can say this? Nine of the Blue Jays' last 11 first-round picks are in their spring-training camp. Only Felipe Lopez and Joe Lawrence are otherwise engaged this March. When you think about it, that's remarkable.

* Fun stat of the day: Dave Bush's walks+hits divided by innings pitched (WHIP) at each of his professional levels:

Low-A: 0.90

High-A: 0.94

Double-A: 1.14

Triple-A: 1.28

Majors: 1.23

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Cristian - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 10:25 AM EST (#106032) #
The Speier deal only looks good when you ignore that the Rockies ended up with Joe Kennedy. Kennedy always killed the Jays and it's too bad that we didn't trade TBay Lurch for Kennedy straight up without involving the Rockies.
The_Beav - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 10:27 AM EST (#106033) #
Wilner's post-game interview with Eric Hinske was very encouraging. Not only does he say that he feels great, but you could tell his confidence level was up. If that's the case, we're gonna have one heck of an infield this season, both offensively and defensively.

Any thoughts on the Gabe Gross power surge? Is it a lock that he's headed back to Syracuse?

And I just have to say: there's nothing better than listening to spring training baseball on the radio while motoring down the QEW on a sunny Sunday in March. Almost made me forget that I was leaving Canada for my new home in Buffalo.

mistermike - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 10:37 AM EST (#106034) #
Wilner's post-game interview with Eric Hinske was very encouraging. Not only does he say that he feels great, but you could tell his confidence level was up. If that's the case, we're gonna have one heck of an infield this season, both offensively and defensively.

I personally don't understand the optimism regarding Hinske. He'll be a huge defensive improvement, but why all the optimism regarding his hitting? I see no reason that will turn around. In fact, getting used to a new position can only distract him at the plate.

I suspect my July he'll be on the bench with Gross or Johnson getting his regular at-bats.

Pistol - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 10:43 AM EST (#106037) #
Any thoughts on the Gabe Gross power surge?"

Here's one theory. Apparently it was a weight shifting issue. One thing that I thought was odd was that they didn't address it last year when Barnett saw the problem.

I don't think it's a lock that Gross will start in Syracuse. Oh yeah, he also threw out another runner yesterday. Grapefruit League MVP!

The_Beav - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 11:03 AM EST (#106038) #
Gross has a fantastic outfield arm. In a game against Buffalo last season, he threw out a runner at the plate with an absolute laser from left field. Quiroz didn't even have to move, and the runner was out by a couple of feet. After the play, Bisons manager/3rd base coach Marty Brown just stared out at Gross in total disbelief.
Chuck - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 11:48 AM EST (#106045) #
He'll be a huge defensive improvement

I don't see that as an automatic. While Hinske figures to have better hands than Delgado on balls hit right at him, he is not necessarily any more mobile than Delgado meaning that his range won't necessarily be any better and he has much less experience in scooping short hops on throws from infielders. In fact, he has much less experience in general playing first base so whatever advantage he has over Delgado in terms of athleticism may take a while to manifest itself as improved defense at the position (if it happens at all).

costanza - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 12:05 PM EST (#106046) #
Here's one theory. Apparently it was a weight shifting issue. One thing that I thought was odd was that they didn't address it last year when Barnett saw the problem.

I think it's more odd that it wasn't observed before his callup. I guess Baker may be simplifying things a bit, but it sounds like something that should have been picked up in the minors, no?

Mike Green - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 12:21 PM EST (#106047) #
Gross told the radio guys that he consulted with his father and his hitting coach from Auburn during the off-season.
NDG - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 02:23 PM EST (#106060) #
Carlos Delgado's defence drew mixed reviews over the years, but his ability to snag low throws from his infielders was one of his strengths.

Pistol, I'll have to object to this one. IMO Delgado was terrible in this situation. Anything that bounced got through him (he'd do the ole wave at it). He always seemed to take too long to decide whether or not to leave the bag, which cost his mates quite a few errors.

Delgado was good at two things. One was his throwing, which was impressive for a first baseman. Unfortunately it's not that useful for a first baseman. The other was going to his left to snag balls down the line. This obviously is very useful for a 1st baseman. Delgado however had ZERO range to his right. I don't know why but it seemed anything more than a half step that way was getting to the outfield. Unless of course it got to O-Dawg. I don't think it's a coincidence that Delgado's fielding metrics started reaching 'average' status at about the same time the O-Dawg started making 2nd base his home.

NDG - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 02:26 PM EST (#106062) #
I just noticed that it was Jordan that wrote the article. Oh well my objection to Pistol still stands as I'm sure he'll write something objectionable in the near future :'
Mike Green - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 02:43 PM EST (#106071) #
Like Jordan, I thought Delgado was at least average on throws in the dirt. It sure would be nice to have a first baseman's "scooping percentage" in our defensive statistics grab-bag.
R Billie - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 06:09 PM EST (#106107) #
I think any distraction to Hinske (which I'm not convinced exists) from changing positions will be outweighed by the added confidence in playing an easier position and knowing he still has a major role on the team despite many rumours about him being shopped.

I think Hinske has more range than Delgado and none of the knee issues that increasingly became an issue. Defensively I do think it will be significant improvement once Hinske gets comfortable again at the position after a few months.

Whether he should be retained into the future depends on what he does at the plate and what the alternatives are on the free agent and trade market. There might be a better way to use the remaining $10 million or so on his contract between '06 and '07.

I think the corners and DH are the obvious areas for potential improvement offensively. The current alignment of Koskie, Hinske, Hillenbrand, Rios, and Cat/Johnson (with Gross eventually mixed in somewhere) should improve on what they got last year between those positions. But you're probably better off with one or two true star hitters placed somewhere in there.

The increased money could go to pitching but it's possible to spend a lot on pitching and not get tremendous return. The Jays really have to target those impact, difference making bats and arms. If you're going to spend the money get someone really good.
Magpie - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 06:12 PM EST (#106108) #
Like Jordan, I thought Delgado was at least average on throws in the dirt.

I agree - thing is, Delgado's predecessor in Toronto was about as good as anybody you'll ever see on that play. A very tough act to follow.

Also agree - Delgado moved pretty well to his left and not at all well to his right. Like he couldn't move and backhand a ball at the same time...

Lefty - Monday, March 14 2005 @ 11:08 PM EST (#106118) #
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Elliott/2005/03/13/959478-sun.html

Good short article by Elliot in the Sun. Carlos on Carlos. Glad to see such a story after all the carping about Delgado's leadership qualities.
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