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Lots of action in the offices lately.

The Phillies GM search continues with old friend Pat Gillick getting an interview yesterday.

Arizona decided on a GM, choosing Josh Byrnes the current assistant GM of the Red Sox. Two other candidates, current GMs Kevin Towers and Jim Bowden, return to their current teams in the same positions. Bowden received an extention through the offseason.

Speaking of Boston, they still don't have a GM after Halloween as talks continue between Epstein and the Red Sox. I expect a deal to get done.

Two LA newspapers are reporting that Paul DePodesta will be fired this weekend. This would seem like an odd move given that the Dodgers season has been over for almost a month and Depodesta has been interviewing for the managerial postion.

In Jays news Alex Anthopoulos and Bart Given have been promoted to handle the duties of former assistant GM Tim McCleary. Anthopoulos currently is one of the team's scouting directors while Given is an assistant in baseball operations.

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Wildrose - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#130722) #
Givens is married to former SportsNet anchor Jody Vance.
perlhack - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#130723) #
Jays trivia: on this day in 1959, Jesse Lee Barfield was born.
Mick Doherty - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#130727) #
DePodesta was not invited to sit in on the managerial interview with the latest, and apparently the owner's favorite, candidate, one Orel Hershiser.

I'm just sayin'.
Jabes - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 02:30 PM EDT (#130728) #
Will this open the door for Kim Ng?
Jabes - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#130729) #
Gillick might make a lot of sense in L.A.. It would re-unite him with Jeff Kent at least.
rtcaino - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#130731) #
Wasn't Givens the Jays travel coordinator? Either way, Jody is a fox.
Blue in SK - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#130734) #
Is DePodesta perhaps packing his bags to replace McCleary in Toronto?
Braby21 - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#130735) #
Blue in SK, I don't think you read the thread...

In Jays news Alex Anthopoulos and Bart Given have been promoted to handle the duties of former assistant GM Tim McCleary. Anthopoulos currently is one of the team's scouting directors while Given is an assistant in baseball operations.
Pistol - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#130737) #
Well, it's official now. DePodesta is out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2207524
Andrew K - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#130738) #
Poor Paul. I hope he can get another job soon. He really didn't do all that badly in LA, but he's currently perceived as a terrible GM. I wonder if his career as a GM is over already.
R Billie - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#130739) #
That's tough luck for DePodesta. He's a smart guy so I'm sure he'll land somewhere where he's appreciated. Those big markets with long standing traditions like the Dodgers are tough to manage in and very unforgiving.

To his credit, DePodesta did not turn the Dodgers' successful scouting organization upside down when he came in. Still I'm sure it was hard for ownership to swallow 4th place and 71 wins with their payroll in a division where 82 wins would have gotten you into the playoffs. Someone is going to be made an example of after that no matter what the circumstances.
SK in NJ - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#130741) #
DePodesta is probably more suited for a team that is rebuilding, such as the Royals or Pirates. Throwing a young stat-head GM into a position where he has to spend obscene amounts of money in a big market really takes away from the creavity that seems to be one of Paul's strong points. Epstein succeeded, but he already had a 90+ win core in place.

If I were the Royals owner, I'd get rid of Allard Baird and hire DePodesta to do a complete house cleaning from top to bottom (ala Ricciardi). There's no guarantee DePo succeeds there either, but he'll probably be better off. Lord knows the Royals can't get any worse.
Wildrose - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 06:20 PM EDT (#130742) #
This is a complete and utter travesty, firing a G.M,, any G.M., 2 years into his mandate is sheer stupidity. This has Lasorda's fingerprints all over it.
Craig B - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#130747) #
First, let me be quite frank and say DePodesta has never looked to me like he was ready yet to be a GM. I think the LA opportunity turned his head when he was still learning the ropes.

Second, let me say that the Dodgers were terrible this year compared to their resources. This team stank. No excuse can make up for how awful the on-field performance was.

Third, bringing DePodesta in from outside and putting him on top of baseball's most insular organization was a disaster waiting to happen. There is no way that one man, no matter what position he occupies, can remake the Los Angeles Dodgers by himself. The organization runs too deep, it's far too traditionally minded to adapt quickly to such a sudden change of approach.

But fourth... what the heck are the Dodgers thinking? They are one year removed from a division title that was universally applauded. I agree that you can't just pretend 2005 didn't happen, but it's pure fantasy to ignore that this team has spent most of the last 25 years aggressively bouncing back and forth between being decent and being mediocre. Often I think that the Dodger organization still thinks of itself as the Dodgers of the 50s and 60s, but since the end of the 70s they've not been the consistently excellent team that they should be. The Dodgers have consistently dealt from strength and ended up on the losing end of the bargain.

Maybe this is an indication that that isn't going to be acceptable anymore. Maybe winning 90 one year and losing 90 the next, like the Dodgers did through the Lasords era, or winning 85 games a year like in the 90s, isn't going to cut it in the Frank McCourt era. But if that's the case, you'd be a lot better off not handing the reins back to the gang who made you into that organization in the first place.

Blue in SK - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#130748) #
Brady21,

The thread text is a bit misleading, as the linked articles has the following;

"Alex Anthopoulos and Bart Given are expected to split the duties of former Blue Jays assistant general manager Tim McCleary next season."

It also hasn't been announced on the official site.

Do I expect DePodesta to come to the Jays? No. But it's fun being a conspiracy theorist once in a while.

There really hasn't been any reports or speculation on why McCleary was let go. In fact, both JP and Godfrey said it was a tough decision. My initial thoughts were that Tony LaCava would get the gig since he turned down the Devil Rays.

Keith Talent - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#130749) #
I don't think 2004 was a universal success. The Dodgers were cruising and then DePod decided to trade a core portion of that division-leading team for other parts that did not work out at all.

The Dodgers didn't even need to show up for the first round of the 2004 playoffs. They had one playoff home game. They shook hands with the Cardinals after being swept in 3 games, 3 miserable losses (which they lost like gentlemen).
Braby21 - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#130750) #
It's BraBy21...haha, but no worries.

I remember reading somewhere that JP wasn't happy with the job that was done with recruiting free agents. I can't remember where I read it, so it could be hearsay...another thing I remember reading is that he was one of the only people left in the system before JP came here, and JP has been known to weed out the guys that weren't "his guys"
Craig B - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#130751) #
You might want to get your memory checked.

First, Jose Lima wants his shutout back. The Dodgers lost that series 3-1.

Second, The Dodgers were 39-36 at the end of June and 54-33 after that. They weren't "cruising" early in the year in any way, shape or form. Their record after the famous LoDuca trade was as good as it was before it - when pretty much everyone and their dog was calling the Dodgers world championship contenders. (I didn't agree then, or after, and I don't now - this team is a long way from the elite. But it was a very popular belief).

Third, one of those guys "who didn't work out at all" hit 13 home runs in the last two months.

Other than that, you're half right.
Named For Hank - Saturday, October 29 2005 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#130758) #
another thing I remember reading is that he was one of the only people left in the system before JP came here, and JP has been known to weed out the guys that weren't "his guys"

Do you remember where you read that? Because I remember where that came from, and the source ain't a pretty one. I believe the same writer tried to spin the Billy Koch sign-and-cut as some kind of overly quick betrayal, too.
Braby21 - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 12:35 AM EDT (#130759) #
I actually think I read it on here, but who knows where the original posted read it.
Brent S - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 12:46 AM EDT (#130761) #
Braby21:

I believe you might be referring to my comment that I posted here. I feel I should state that I know little of what McCleary's job entailed other than being the expert on the vagaries of baseball contracts and transactions. To tell you the truth, I have no idea who is in charge of negotiating contracts. Would the GM do this, or would a lower level employee handle the negotiations?

Anders - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 03:41 AM EST (#130762) #
Second, let me say that the Dodgers were terrible this year compared to their resources. This team stank. No excuse can make up for how awful the on-field performance was.

Well, I believe they lost something like 1400 man games to injury. Gagne was out, Bradley was out, Odalis Perez, Cesar Izturis, JD Drew (although thats probably Depodesta's fault for signing him.) Injuries happen, although with that much money they should have coped better.

Bottom line, DePosdesta getting fired at this juncture, with presumably better days ahead (especially given their farm system) is a pretty hasty decision

GeoffAtMac - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 10:11 AM EST (#130763) #

For anybody who didn't see this, it's a link to more speculation on the A.J. Burnett Sweepstakes.

Here's hoping.

Braby21 - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 12:07 PM EST (#130770) #
I was just about to post the same story except on TorontoSun.com

Is there anyway we can Land Burnett AND Manny this offseason???

I'm assuming it's one or the other, but I would LOVE to spend every penny we have on just two guys. Enough of the team full of above average Baseball players, I want to see a couple of Studs on the Jays, especially one on the Offensive side.

The Phil's new GM is going to look at getting rid of Thome as well...
VBF - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 12:20 PM EST (#130771) #
If we took all of Manny's salary and we signed Burnett to the 5 years, 65 million contract that Elliot hints, then we'd actually run out of money on the assumption that this year's payroll was in fact 50 million and that arbitration will cost about 5 million as mentioned previously somewhere on here.

But I did read that the Jays payroll was actually 45 million which would give us just barely enough room to land both. In any instance, I do believe that two players of that calibre will make this team playoff contenders.
Keith Talent - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 12:30 PM EST (#130772) #

Jose Lima wants his shutout back.

That's right! Thanks for reminding me. Still, the Dodgers were completely overmatched in that series and it took an amazing performance like that to chalk up just one win.

The Dodgers were 39-36 at the end of June and 54-33 after that. They weren't "cruising" early in the year in any way, shape or form.

I'll take issue with this, though. The certainly were cruising between the end of June and the trading deadline of 2004, going 25-7. After the trading deadline they went 29-26 the rest of the way.

I can't believe anyone would argue that DePod made out well in the 2004 trading deadline. IMO, that was one of the worst things I've ever seen a GM do. Sabermetrics have a role, but the mistake is when someone swallows that philosophy - or ANY philosophy - whole. You don't see JP doing this. He's always talking about "character guys" and players who "fit in". How could you possibly dismantle a team that has gone 25-7 in the previous 2 months? To prove a point?

DePod did himself in long before 2005. Why do we care that he got dismissed anyway? He's not going to starve to death. And if there is one less sabermetrically inclined GM in MLB does that not work to the advantage to the Blue Jays?

GeoffAtMac - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 01:14 PM EST (#130775) #

I raised an eyebrow at $65 MIL over 5 as well -- $13 MIL a year is a lot of money. I say we offer him no more than Roy in any individual year, and the rest would have to be made up with a signing bonus.

Nonetheless, I agree with the calls from VBF and Braby that what we need are more top-shelf kind of guys, rather than guys who are good, but not the superstar-type.

SK in NJ - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 01:17 PM EST (#130776) #
The chances of acquiring Burnett AND another 8-figure salary player is unlikely. The salary would be too large, and I'm assuming JP doesn't want to enter another stage of "Delgado-itis" (no flexibility).

If the Jays land Burnett (and that's still a big "if"), I would guess the "two bats" that JP is after will come in the form of Shea Hillenbrand types.
Braby21 - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 01:42 PM EST (#130778) #
Well then they're not big bats.

Flexibility is great and all, but at some point you have to take a chance on a couple guys and spend some money. They finally got rid of Carlos and with the flexibility JP signed an old injury prone third baseman.

Actually I'd rather just take Manny, and sign someone like Washburn, or even stand pat. That is if we don't have to trade a couple pitchers to the Sox.

I don't really endorse the signing of AJ for 13 per. Closer to 10 and I'd think about it.
Rob - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 02:10 PM EST (#130780) #
I don't really endorse the signing of AJ for 13 per. Closer to 10 and I'd think about it.

I don't like the proposed Burnett signing, period. The Blue Jays don't need a pitcher who will put up a 4+ ERA in the AL. They have plenty of those already.

Toronto needs someone who can slug more than .400. I'd take Halladay, Chacin, Bush, Towers, Lilly and a real bat over Halladay, Chacin, Burnett, Towers, Lilly and another .265/.335/.415 hitter.

Random fact: Dave Bush's career ERA+ is 111. Kevin Millwood's career ERA+ is 114. A.J. Burnett's is 110.

Ron - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 02:44 PM EST (#130783) #
I like AJ but he's a high risk/high reward signing. There's a chance his ERA will take a beating in the AL East. He gives up a lot of free passes and after 6 seasons, I tend to believe he won't ever be able to solve that problem. I expect the AL East to put up a lot runs next season.

I just have a hunch when the off-season is over, the Jays biggest FA signings will be Washburn and Durazo. Overbay will be aquired in a trade.

This would fit JP's plans of bringing in a top flight starter and getting 2 bats that makes the line-up thicker 1-9. JP said he's looking for more quality hitters like Hillenbrand and I believe those 2 players fit the mold.
greenfrog - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 02:46 PM EST (#130784) #
I haven't seen Burnett pitch, but some of the plusses (apart from big-time stuff) would seem to be:

- Age (he's only 28. Clement is 31)
- Very good peripheral stats (HR/IP, K/IP, K/BB)
- Apparently has a good relationship with Arnsberg
- Threw over 200 IP last year

Obviously there is a fair bit of risk--injury, volatility, higher career ERA than you'd like. I find it hard to imagine JP giving him a 5-year contract. *Maybe* three years with a club (or incentive-based) option for a fourth year. I guess I'd be surprised if he signs with the Jays in the end.
Pistol - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 02:52 PM EST (#130785) #
I don't really endorse the signing of AJ for 13 per. Closer to 10 and I'd think about it.

The number of years on a contract is more critical to me. Anyone the Jays sign this offseason is going to look like they're overpaid (but if most players look overpaid are they really overpaid?). But when you have the room to do it there's no reason to keep the money in your pocket just because it's a little more than think you should pay.

Take Giles for example. I'd sign him for 2 for $30 before I'd pay him 4 for $40.

I'm not too concerned about the Jays being willing to go the extra dollar as JP was willing to do this for the SS Loogy (although that's obviously on a smaller scale).

Flex - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 05:24 PM EST (#130788) #
By the way, little has been said here about the stark differences between the Paul DePodesta situation -- fired after a 71-win season -- and the Ricciardi situation -- survives after a 67-win season and even gets more money to work with! Maybe it's obvious, but to me, it goes almost entirely to the value of consistent communication.

It's not as if Ted Rogers is a less volatile owner than McCourt -- Rogers can in fact be hot-headed and mean. And it's not as if Ricciardi hasn't made mistakes the equal of DePodesta's.

The difference seems to be that DePodesta did a very poor job of communicating his intentions and his philosophy, whereas Riccardi spent a ton of effort on explaining and reinforcing his ideas, the whole "what we're trying to do here" ethos, in order to get buy-in from ownership and fans. He warned that he'd make unpopular decisions, he warned that the team had no depth to cover injury, and consistently said the team would take a long time to turn around. So he bought himself leeway.

It should be a case study in "managing up."

Paul D - Sunday, October 30 2005 @ 11:02 PM EST (#130790) #
Flex, I think that the big difference between McCourt and Rogers is that Rogers isn't involved in the day to day running of the team. The interviews I"ve read with him suggest that he doesn't follow or like any sports. I think the difference is that Rogers, regardless of his personality, lets Godfrey run the show, while McCourt couldn't resist getting involved... and maybe listening to Lasorda.
John Northey - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 03:40 PM EST (#130842) #
Owners who are fans (such as McCourt from what I can tell) tend to make things harder for a team. If I owned the Jays for example (now, where did I put that $200 million...must be around here someplace) I'd have serious trouble not being involved in everything. If my GM signed someone I didn't think was ideal (such as Hillenbrand last year) or for more than I thought was right (such as Koskie for 3-4 years) I'd be on them like mad should it not work out (ie: he'd be OK with Shea but on the coals over Koskie).

I think that is why the Jays did so well back in the 80's. Labatt just wanted a vehicle for beer sales. In the mid/late 90's they didn't have the right people in charge (I wanted Ash to work out, but he didn't) to allow the team to be as good so the quiet owners didn't help. Now Rogers is quiet and things seem to be moving well but we'll know if they picked right over the next two years. Steinbrenner and McCourt and owners of their ilk are great fun, will always put the money into the team, but unless they have great talent evaluation it is all for naught and could make things worse.
Kieran - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 05:52 PM EST (#130854) #
ESPN.com is reporting that Theo Epstein and the BoSox were unable to come to terms and that he has "stepped down" from his position. Not sure how reliable this information is, nor how final the situation is (think: Ken Macha).

Here is the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2209574
Gerry - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 06:00 PM EST (#130856) #
Before the JP rumours become rampant.....

One of the reasons JP did not take the job in Boston a couple of years ago is because there were "too many cooks in the kitchen". Theo's resignation, if it stays that way, is proof JP was right. I doubt JP goes there as long as the front office remains with the current group.
AWeb - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 06:29 PM EST (#130861) #
Looks like Epstein left because he felt he was stabbed in the back (inside info in a local newspaper about him). My guess is that he won't take a new job right away, as he just had his dream job ruined for him. The article below says he might leave baseball entirely.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AiLn7dFHhh7AB7gsiyytEck5nYcB?slug=ap-redsox-epsteinresigns&prov=ap&type=lgns
R Billie - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 06:40 PM EST (#130863) #
I don't think it was an issue of too many cooks for Epstein, rather just the age old issue of where is the respect and money for what I've accomplished? I'm sure his age and relatively short though successful tenure played big roles.

So Boston loses Epstein and an assistant (Byrnes). They're going to be looking for a GM. I hope Gillick is confirmed in Philly.
VBF - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 07:02 PM EST (#130869) #
JP is here to stay. He's on the brink of contention and he most definitely isn't going to take all the heat he's taken for nothing.

Just for fun, if he did go elsewhere could we potentially see the return of Pat Gillick to Toronto? I'm a little gigglish at just the thought.
Pistol - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 07:07 PM EST (#130870) #
Money wasn't the issue. The Sox offered what Epstein asked for ($1.5 million/year).

It's funny, Gammons is saying that Epstein is stepping down because of the hype of Boston and how he's a private person. Everyone else in the Boston sports media is saying that Epstein is leaving because of Lucchino.

Sounds like a large part of the front office will turn over with several likely joining Byrnes in Arizona and a new GM coming in. The speculation is that Kevin Towers is the most likely to take over.
Thomas - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 09:18 PM EST (#130886) #
I think Towers is an underrated GM in many circles, but I'd much prefer him to be in Boston than Epstein. Plus, this means Lucchino has won the power struggle and that Towers (or whomever) takes over is going to be working firmly under Lucchino's thumb.
Keith Talent - Monday, October 31 2005 @ 10:43 PM EST (#130894) #
Don't count out Epstein's age in this thing. It is uncommon for a man of Epstein's age to enjoy responsibility without someone from the baby boomer generation thinking they know better.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, November 01 2005 @ 10:21 AM EST (#130909) #
JP is here to stay. He's on the brink of contention and he most definitely isn't going to take all the heat he's taken for nothing.

J.P. told the Fan this morning "I'm not going anywhere".
Kieran - Thursday, November 03 2005 @ 03:50 PM EST (#131173) #
Hey, bumping this thread...

I think all loyal Jays fans should collectively send good vibes to John McLaren...who is now in the final 3 for the manager's job in Tampa Bay.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2212704
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