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Wow, was I wrong.


When the Blue Jays summoned Dustin McGowan from Syracuse at the beginning of May, I leaped boldly upon my high horse and explained why I didn't think much of the idea:

Maybe after all of the turmoil, maybe after all the serious and frightening health issues (surgery on his pitching arm! an incurable disease!), maybe after being bounced around like a goddam yo-yo between the majors and the minors, between starting and relieving... maybe, after all of this nonsense, maybe all McGowan needed to settle his life and career was just one uneventful month in upstate New York. Sure, this could work.

This had
better work.

Sold!

I think it's working out just fine.

In baseball you don't know nothing, as Yogi once said, and as we should all always try to remember. And there was no flaw in my logic, as Spock would say. But it's always, always useful to remember that the people who get paid the big money to actually make these decisions really do know things that you don't know, and have information you don't have.

And if you should happen to forget that.... I suppose it's good for the soul to have that truth whack you upside the head with a bit of force.

Mmmmmm.... crow! Yummy good!

Well. While I of course am the guy who ripped the move to summon McGowan, and while I'm the one who will have to humble myself before Ricciardi the next time I see him - which will happen, by the way - I didn't notice any of you disagreeing with me (he says, pathetically.)

Well, almost none of you. VBF was happy to see McGowan come up, and said

I for one, am looking forward to getting Zambrano, McGowan, and hopefully Janssen, Marcum, and Thomson into games. Because I guarantee you that at least one of those guys is going to sparkle for us.

One of those guys? Three of them, as it turns out. And the other two we may never see again, anyway.

[ACTION: Magpie removes hat, makes vague saluting-type gesture.]

So all in all, a pretty good day for the Blue Jays. McGowan provided what was a coming-out, star-is-born performance if I've ever seen one - he was far more impressive and far more casually dominant than Halladay was in the Bobby Higginson game. But there was more good news. Not only did McGowan announce his Presence with Authority - the offence in general, and Frank Thomas in particular, is showing any number of encouraging signs of finally waking from its long slumber. The team is back at .500 for the first time since that ugly stumble at the beginning of May. They just swept one of the hottest teams in baseball - the Rockies were on fire when they came to town. And just to top off the tasty dish, the Yankees lost again, to slip below .500 and below the Blue Jays, who now stand second in the division.

It's a start.

A ten game road trip is next, beginning with four games in Minnesota. The Jays, one would think, are catching a break by seeing every Minnesota starter not named Johan Santana. Be wary, however - those breaks never do seem to work out the way one expects.

Halladay, Marcum, and Towers are scheduled to work the first three games. Burnett, if he's ready, and Taubenheim if he's not, will get the finale. Halladay appears to be back in top form. Marcum is pitching very well - his last start, against the Dodgers was extremely impressive in a number of ways. He didn't seem at all on top of his game, to me anyway - but he held the other side hitless until the fifth and handed a 3-2 lead over to the bullpen.

Josh Towers' short leash must be getting very short indeed, although he probably gets a mulligan for his last start. But if he doesn't pitch well on Wednesday, and Burnett is ready to go on Thursday, I would not be surprised if Taubenheim sticks around to fill that final spot in the starting five until Chacin is ready to come back.
25 June 2007: An Apology to J.P. Ricciardi | 87 comments | Create New Account
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JayWay - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 01:18 AM EDT (#170555) #

For what it’s worth, Magpie, at the time, I agreed with every word of your post; and now, a few hours removed from one of the finest displays of pitching put on by a Blue Jay in years, I can’t say that’s changed.

I don’t think JP knew anything we didn’t, and I still think it was an ill-advised and potentially disastrous move made in the heat of the moment.

The fact that it didn’t turn out to be a disaster had nothing to do with JP and everything to do with the young man who took to the mound today. Prior to his call up, I think that the consensus on McGowan had him pegged as a thousand dollar arm with a ten cent head. The control problems, the isolated inning breakdowns, the indecision regarding what his own role should be – it all pointed to a case of shaky makeup.

We were wrong.

What we’ve found out in the past few weeks is that far from makeup being one of his weaknesses, the psychological side of McGowan’s game is actually one of his strengths.

Here’s a pitcher who, thrown to the wolves in major league’s toughest division, went from being shaky under pressure to thriving in it. Time and time again, McGowan got himself out of jams and slowly transformed his reputation from one of a ticking time bomb to that of a cool operator. One out, man on third – gets out of it. Bases loaded, none out – gets out of it. The San Francisco game, in which McGowan, missing his best stuff, time and time again gets himself out of jams to earn a quality start. And then there was the way he coolly shrugged off the Baker hit to close out the game today.

McGowan, at the age of 25 and with little experience, is showing the type of fortitude that a certain 55 million veteran continually struggles to attain.

The fact that McGowan hasn’t collapsed under the circumstances outlined in your post is a testament to McGowan’s strength of mind, not Ricciardi’s foresight. I think you put most other young pitchers in that situation, and the outcome is not nearly as rosy.  

Having said that, McGowan is doing what he’s doing in a Jays jersey, and for that, Ricciardi deserves all the credit in the world. I’m sure JP’s critics will be quick to jump on the fact that JP is riding yet another product of the Ash regime. That may be true, but JP still deserves credit for this one. It would have been so easy to deal McGowan at any point during the last year and a half, and gosh knows he’s had the opportunities (JP has confirmed as much). Had he done so, no one here would have blamed him. But JP stuck with Dustin and we’re all reaping the rewards.

And last, if I may take this off-topic for a second, I’d like to say something about AJ Burnett.

When Burnett first arrived, I was generally in agreement with the move and was excited as anyone to watch him pitch in a Blue Jays uniform. One thing I was weary about, though, was Burnett’s commitment. For some reason, he came off as a bit of a head case. Maybe it was the tattoos and the rock and roll image, or maybe it was the out-clause, but I just got the sense that this wasn’t the type of guy you want in your clubhouse.

Gosh, was I wrong.

Observing AJ from afar, it’s apparent how committed this guy is to his teammates. Someone on here a while ago commented that AJ came off as the type of guy who had little time for authority, but would die for a teammate. I think this is bang on.  

One of my favourite images from today was AJ, in the 8th inning, doing the slow clap along with the fans on two-strike counts. Hilarious! Whenever a young player has a break out game, AJ is always the one to plaster him with a shaving cream pie or dump a jug of Gatorade over his head. Today was no different, and it was followed up with a huge bear hug and kiss on the cheek (a manly kiss, of course). You get the sense that a teammate’s performance means just as much to AJ as his own does. He really cares about the team and wants to see it succeed. He’s front and centre during the good times, cheering on his team and congratulating them, and right there sticking up for them during the bad (witness the bean ball saga in Baltimore).

Mylegacy - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 02:12 AM EDT (#170557) #

All last winter and earlier this spring when so many were calling for McGowan to be trade bait, I kept reminding everyone what he had been through (on this and sundry other blogs and forums). The man WAS a GREAT prospect...he then had TJ surgery, diabetes, was misdiagnosed, lost 20+ pounds, was correctly diagnosed, got his health back, got his weight back, got his stuff back, and last and not least he got his control back. A lesser man would have many opportunities to call it a day. I'm GLAD JP didn't trade him...but...I'm more PROUD of the man Dustin has become.

As to AJ...any questions I had were answered when Roy went down and we needed him to step it up. He took the ball, he did his job and for a while he was one of the few lights in an otherwise dark and damp cave. From Thursday, going forward I think we might just have the best 1 through 4 starters in the AL East, at least.

GregJP - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 08:34 AM EDT (#170561) #
From Thursday, going forward I think we might just have the best 1 through 4 starters in the AL East, at least.

Let's not get carried away here.

Red Sox

Beckett
Dice-K
Schilling
Wakefield/Lester

Assuming Schilling is healthy this is a better rotation than the Jays 1-4.  I could even make an argument for Clemens/Wang/Mussina/Pettitte 

While I'm very optimistic about the future, Burnett is still a big injury risk and Marcum/McGowan are still basically rookie starters.

Let's see how Marcum does the 2nd and 3rd time around the league before we anoint him a 3rd or 4th starter on a permanent basis.

CeeBee - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 09:33 AM EDT (#170562) #
Nothing is more volitile than pitching. 2 months ago things looked like crap and now they are rosy. 2 months from now, who knows but I'm going to enjoy it while it's here. Before we get too excited just remember the Cubs of a few years ago and what happened. I guess that's why you can not only never have too much pitching but need a steady stream coming up through the minors. It's also another reason to be patient with young players and not throw in the towel too soon. Rios, McGowan, Janssen, Marcum and even Hill have all been bandied about as trade bait by the media and fans but young cheap talent is a pretty good thing to have so it's a risky business trading away the possible future stars for older players who may help you now unless that help turns into a world series.
Dr. Zarco - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#170563) #
A bit off topic, but John Thomson is starting tonight. Yes, he just got released by the Jays, who'd have thunk he'd make his '07 debut so soon afterwards? Ah, never fear, there is a team called the Royals that actually plays in the Majors. Best of luck to John, I'm glad the Jays don't desparately need him, because it was sort of looking that way a month and a half ago.
Mike Green - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#170564) #
I still don't know how McGowan's season is going to turn out.  But, once he was called up, the only thing to do was to simply let him pitch and discover what he has.  I feel a lot better when the ball is given to him rather than Victor Zambrano, and that has been true even when McGowan struggles (which he is likely to do at some point along the line again).

There was talk of a Glaus trade over the weekend.  I would be very reluctant to trade him for the following reasons:

1.   This club (like last year's) ought to be playing to win this year.  It is now quite reasonable to see this team as making the playoffs.  Obviously being 6 games behind now doesn't make it likely, but one can see how it happens (strong starting pitching, Johnson and Overbay return and perform at their career norms, Wells and Halladay return to their career norms and most importantly, no signficant injuries save perhaps to Thomas)

2.   The club is weaker in the short term with a Glaus trade.  Hill moving to third and Thigpen (or Adams) taking over as the second baseman involves a very significant offensive and defensive loss in the short term.  The only way it works as a challenge trade, third baseman for third baseman, or with a power-hitting shortstop coming back.

Jason Frasor and Scott Downs have been used in higher leverage roles over the past several days.  Bullpen roles of Accardo closing, Frasor/Downs setting up and League/Tallet in the middle innings in July works for me.  If Gronkiewicz were called back up to work with Chacin at the back end of the pen, with Janssen moved to the rotation, I would be a happy man.  A six man pen would be even better, but that it's going to have wait a decade or two....



Craig B - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#170566) #

Let's not get carried away here. Red Sox Beckett Dice-K Schilling Wakefield/Lester

I assume you'll take Wake over Lester, since Lester wasn't all that impressive as a rookie. Here's how I'd rank those eight pitchers:

  1. Doc
  2. A.J.
  3. Beckett
  4. Matsuzaka
  5. Schilling
  6. Marcum
  7. Wakefield
  8. McGowan

With Marcum and McGowan catching Schilling and Wakefield pretty fast.  Beckett's good half-season is nice, but it still leaves him behind A.J., let along Doc, in terms of quality over the last few years.

I think that makes the Jays' four better than the Sox four, though I grant you the Sox guys might still have a very slight edge 1-4 in a pennant/playoff situation (in a playoff, that would be offset by Doc being able to go multiple times).

(Taking Lester over Wakefield wouldn't budge the Sox #4 out of seventh, but McGowan's a lot closer to passing Lester than Wakefield)

Dave Till - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#170567) #
I feel a lot better when the ball is given to him rather than Victor Zambrano

Actually, I think I'd feel better seeing you with the ball than Zambrano. :-)

At this point, I'd try to play to win too. The Jays seem like one of those complicated old-school machines that contains about 800 moving parts, including lots of squeaky wheels, gears and levers. It takes forever to start up and requires plenty of last-minute maintenance and puzzled head-scratching while attempting to decipher incomprehensible operations manuals. But once it gets going, it's unstoppable.

The Jays have been plagued by all sorts of injuries and slumps, but are still only 6 games out of contention. (And ahead of the New York Yankees. I wonder whether Rocket Roger is planning a Rueful Re-evaluation of his employment choice.) There's still lots of time; I want to see what happens when the machine is running on all cylinders.
GregJP - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#170568) #
  1. Doc
  2. A.J.
  3. Beckett
  4. Matsuzaka
  5. Schilling
  6. Marcum
  7. Wakefield
  8. McGowan
That is hilarious.  You honestly think that Burnett should be ranked ahead of Beckett, Matsuzaka, and Schilling.  Dude, I think you are just maybe are being a homer here.  Throw AJ in at #4 and #5 and then you have a realistic list.

Let me just say that on any message board board other than a Jays one this wouldn't even be open for discussion.  I sometimes get the impression that some of the posters here are voting more with their hearts and not their heads.
Ryan Day - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#170569) #

I'd say Beckett is clearly the top of the AL East right now - ERA+ of 146 and lots of Ks. But after him, the field isn't terribly clear-cut: Matsuzaka's at 112, Schilling at 107, Burnett at 114, Halladay at 112. Schilling is on a downward creep, and his time as an elite starter is probably behind him; Halladay's got the track record, so I'd actually be quite comfortable putting him ahead of Beckett, who, like Burnett, rarely manages to be both good and healthy at the same time. After Halladay

ayjackson - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#170570) #

There was talk of a Glaus trade over the weekend.  I would be very reluctant to trade him...

For now, there's no question that we keep Troy.  But in a month, what's your answer?  If we play good ball for the next month, we're still likely around .500 and probably 8 or 9 games out of the W/C by then.  As I pointed out earlier, we play 18 of our next 21 games on the road against teams ahead of us (save 4 versus the Yanks).  Our only three home games in that span are against the very tough Indians.

So what if we're 7+ games out at the end of all that??  I think if a good offer comes in, you have to consider it.  I could see Stairs going too - he'd make for an upgrade over Shea in Anaheim.  You have to consider the chemistry too, I guess - this does seem to be a cohesive group.  You have to consider next year too - it would be hard to get a package back that would make us better next year than we would be with Troy.

Mike Green - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#170571) #
Beckett's pitching over the last 3 years has actually been reasonably consistent despite the huge fluctuations in ERA.  He was nowhere near as mediocre as he appeared last year, and has been nowhere near as good as he seems this year.  The big thing is the HR/fly rate, which was flukey high last year and is flukey low this year.  Beckett and Burnett are of comparable quality as pitchers, and both have health concerns.  Burnett's issues might be more significant, and objectively I would probably prefer having Beckett out there than Burnett, but that is hardly a slag.  I would much, much prefer having Halladay out there than Beckett.

Schilling is still a good pitcher at age 40, and really of comparable quality to Beckett and Burnett. 

Mike Green - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#170572) #
But in a month, what's your answer?  If we play good ball for the next month, we're still likely around .500 and probably 8 or 9 games out of the W/C by then.

O ye of little faith.  This club is quite capable of playing .600 ball against good teams on the road for a month. Obviously, if the team is 12 games out at the All-Star break, the long-term vs. short-term calculus becomes quite different.
GregJP - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#170573) #
Lets go with an impartial arbiter.  Here is how Ron Shandler at BBHQ projects the ERA's for the rest of the year only.

1. Halladay - 3.39
2. Matsuzaka - 3.63
3. Beckett - 3.74
3. Burnett - 3.74
5. Schilling - 3.92
6. Wakefield - 4.27
6. Marcum - 4.27
8. McGowan - 5.42

It's closer than I thought, but assuming each starter pitches the same number of innings..

Red Sox - 3.89
Blue Jays - 4.21

I guess if McGowan can stay around 4.10-4.30 there could be an argument for saying the rotations are relatively equal, but the general consensus among prognosticators is that he's not quite ready to do that this year.




King Rat - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#170574) #
I would agree with ayjackson that if the Jays are still treading water in a month's time, you take whatever deal you're offered that makes you a better team, always excepting more or less any deal for Doc. But I'd also agree with Mike Green that the premise of the question seems flawed: sure, the teams on the schedule over the next 27 games are all good, and yes a lot of them will be at home. But I see it as a golden opportunity to make up ground on the teams the Jays have to pass, rather than as a death march that they might get out of at .500. This was a team that was supposed to contend this year, and they're finally starting to hit on most of their cylinders.

It's certainly optimistic to hope that the Jays can finish what I called yesterday "the make-or-break" section of the schedule, which will be the next 27 games, well over .500 and in the thick of the wild card race. But I don't think it's unreasonable to hope for that, and I am eagerly anticipating this next stretch of games.

Ryan Day - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#170576) #

In other news, Frank Thomas is up to a respectable 242/380/437 for the season, and a nice smashy-smashy 304/451/554 in June.

I guess "Just wait, Frank will come around" turned out to be a sound philosophy after all.

ayjackson - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#170577) #

Don't mistake my caution as pessimism.  I think we are in our best form of the year.  I think we can take 3 of 4 from the Twinkies, and split the west coast for a 6-4 road trip.  Then I think we can take two of three at home from the mighty Indians and suddenly we're three games over .500 at the All-Star break.

Then with Reed and Lyle back - and Stairs, Lind and Thigpen making up the bench - we head into Fenway and the Bronx with a huge opportunity.  I think that NY and Boston get so caught up with each other that they will be ripe for the taking.

It has all the ingredients for a make-or-break month.

Pistol - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#170579) #
In other news, Frank Thomas is up to a respectable 242/380/437 for the season

Last year through 6/24 he hit .241/.375/.498.

After that point he hit .304/.393/.599.

Baseball-reference.com
is awesome.
dan gordon - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#170580) #

On the TV broadcast yesterday, they showed Thomas' numbers this year compared to last year at this point of the season.  He is very close to where he was last year at this time.  Some numbers are a bit higher (walks, batting average)  some are a bit lower (HR's, RBI's).  If he can end up this year with a season comparable to what he ended up with last year, he is in for a great second half.

On the Slam! website today, they say that the Blue Jays have now thrown 17 1-hitters vs just the 1 no-hitter.  That seems like a very high rate of 1-hitters to no-hitters.  It would be interesting to know what the overall long term average ratio is.  Not sure how many the Jays have lost in the 9th, but I know there are quite a few.  Bad luck certainly a factor there, particularly the one that Stieb lost on the crazy bounce of a routine ground ball over the 2nd baseman's head in one of his back to back games where he lost the no-no with 2 outs in the 9th.

Mike Green - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#170581) #
McGowan has an interesting stat line.  Much better FIPs than ERAs, high ground-ball rate, very low LOB%, low double play frequency and very weak running game control.  He is helped quite a bit by the return of Zaun.  I would take the "under" on the Shandler line for him over the rest of the season. 



dan gordon - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#170583) #

There are a lot of very good 'Top 4's' in the AL.  Look at Oakland with Haren, Harden (if he can stay healthy this time around), Gaudin and Blanton, or Detroit with Verlander, Bonderman, Rogers and Miller.  The Angels also, with Colon, Lackey, Escobar, and Weaver.  I'm not sure which Top 4 I would prefer among those 3, Boston, Toronto and the Yankees.

The Jays do have the makings of a great pitching staff next year with a rotation of the current 4some plus Janssen, and a bullpen of Ryan, League, Accardo, Downs, Frasor and Tallet.  Depending on health, of course.

BTW, not sure if everybody has heard, but Rod Beck has died at the age of 38.  As a Giants fan, I certainly was quite familiar with him.  Still the Giants' single season saves record holder.

Mylegacy - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#170587) #

I see it this way.

Doc is number 1 (You disagree? Meet me out back at noon, bring your gun!)

AJ is number 2 (despite his heath stuff) 

McG is number 3 (young, healthy stud entering his prime...Beck or AJ without the injury concerns)

Beck is number 4 (would be number 2 if his shoulder wasn't close to falling off, SERIOUSLY)

D-K is number 5 (may move up after a year learning what it takes in AL East)

Marcum is number 6 (he does not have GREAT stuff but he uses what he has WONDERFULLY)

Shill is number 7 (he's offically done...may still have some GREAT games but no way can he be trusted now)

Wakefield is number 8 (can have GREAT games but usually can't be relied on)

Lester WILL be great, Janssen WILL be very good (this year, that and $1.50 gets you a cup of coffee at McDonalds; next year...we worry about next year) 

CaramonLS - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#170588) #

McG is number 3 (young, healthy stud entering his prime...Beck or AJ without the injury concerns)

D-K is number 5 (may move up after a year learning what it takes in AL East)

You're nuts.  You use inexperience as a reason to be critical of Matsuzaka, but he has more career wins than McGowan does, a better ERA this year/career and has only pitched 30 less innings than him - in his career.  Oh, and 1 less career strikeout.  McGowan has had a good string of starts - about a month of pitching Well in the AL East over his career.  In no way, shape or form does that place him above Matsuzaka, Schilling or Beckett. 

Ryan Day - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#170589) #

Last year through 6/24 he hit .241/.375/.498. After that point he hit .304/.393/.599.

Baseball-reference.com
is awesome.

I just figured out how you did that. That's totally awesome.

Never again will I have any trouble coming up with a totally useless split to prove a point!

ayjackson - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#170592) #

By ERA+ (as a starter):

  1. Marcum  180 (estimate)
  2. Beckett  146
  3. Burnett  114
  4. Halladay  112
  5. Matsusaka  112
  6. Schilling  107
  7. Tavarez  100
  8. McGowan  95
Dave Till - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#170594) #
In other news, Frank Thomas is up to a respectable 242/380/437 for the season, and a nice smashy-smashy 304/451/554 in June.

"Smashy-smashy" has become my new favourite baseball adjective. Seriously.

Even when Frank Thomas was struggling, his enormous walk rate gave him a level of offensive production that, say, Shea Hillenbrand could only dream of.  (As I write this, Hillenbrand is slugging .325 and has a .275 on-base percentage. John McDonald is easily beating both of those totals. Despite this, the Angels are owning the AL West. Baseball is a strange game.)

And Thomas is starting to put the big hurt on some baseballs. His grand slam went out of the park like it was rocket-propelled. Once he gets past the 500 hurdle, things could become rather fun around here.
CeeBee - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#170598) #

"Once he gets past the 500 hurdle, things could become rather fun around here."

Say oh around an hour or so after gametime tonight? :)

GregJP - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#170600) #
Mylegacy........if there was a hall of fame for homerism, you would be elected on the first ballot..  :)

You are perhaps 1 of 7 people on the planet who would rank McGowan ahead of Dice-K.  Can you join one of my money leagues?

CeeBee - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#170602) #
I prefer to call it optimism..... though I'm just a wee bit less optimistic than Mylegacy I'm probably not far behind.
Wedding Singer - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 06:38 PM EDT (#170603) #

"You are perhaps 1 of 7 people on the planet who would rank McGowan ahead of Dice-K"

And the other six people are Dustin's parents, his grandparents, his sister and his girlfriend:)

 

CeeBee - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#170604) #
Maybe we need a poll.... who would you rather have right now... McGowan who's just starting out on his MLB career or Dice-K, who's also just starting out on this side of the pond but is older and a lot more expensive?
mcpherv - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#170605) #
""You are perhaps 1 of 7 people on the planet who would rank McGowan ahead of Dice-K"

And the other six people are Dustin's parents, his grandparents, his sister and his girlfriend:)"

Hmm, well I think I'll throw my name in the mix. If you watch the two of them pitch, I think its pretty clear Dustin has better raw stuff than Dice-K.

I've been on the McGowan bandwagon the entire time he's being going through his struggles the past couple seasons, and it has been very frustrating at times watching what I've percieved as horrible mismanagement of his development. I'm very glad that JP and crew finally made the decision to throw McGowan into the rotation and let him learn at the mlb level.

After watching everyone get down on the kid over the last couple seasons, and being one of the lone Dustin supporters, it is very satisfying to see him finally start to put it together. Congrats, McGowan.

 

actionjackson - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 07:16 PM EDT (#170606) #
Ahem, Mr. Magpie sir. May I have a reservation at the crow eating banquet table? However, I've got to give McGowan more credit than JP for the turn-around. JP deserves credit for sticking with him, but McGowan deserves credit for persisting when a lot of ball players might not have. I mean TJ surgery plus diabetes plus a few horrible stints in the big leagues. His confidence must have been suffering, but credit to him for keeping going.

Another point on JP, I'm tired of hearing about how Ash is responsible for the core of this team. Yes, his scouting team drafted or signed Halladay, Wells, Rios, Johnson, McGowan and Chacin. Thankyou Mr. Ash, for that you deserve credit and for helping Roy get his mojo back. Bravo awesome job. But, let's not forget who buried Wells behind Mondesi and Cruz and delayed his debut for what exactly? To be fair Vernon was probably only ready in 2001, but wow. In 2002 JP arrived and Wells had the everyday CF job and hasn't looked back. Had just about anyone from Da Box been running the Jays (with a few exceptions) Rios and McGowan would not be Blue Jays right now. JP showed the patience of Job with both of them and we have been rewarded for it. He watched Chacin repeat AA 3 times before bringing him up in 2004. While Gus' credentials as a big league starter will constantly be questioned, where would the Jays have been in 2005 without him and Towers after Roy got pinged. As for Reed Johnson, well he's been overachieving since he was a walk-on at Cal State Fullerton. Not many make it to the big leagues having been walk-ons. Let's see, walk-on in college to 17th round pick to buried in the minors to call-up after one of Cat's injuries in 2003 to "he can't be anything more than a platoon player" to solid regular. What's next Cooperstown, with his idol Ty Cobb? ;) That's determination personified or the umm intangibles that don't show up on crosscheckers reports.

Like I said Ash deserves credit for drafting them, but JP deserves some credit for separating the wheat from the chaff. Did he let some good ones get away, of course, but I don't think there's anything on the scale of a Jeff Bagwell for a Larry Andersen or letting a George Bell, Julio Franco and a Ryne Sandberg get away within 2 years and 1 day of each other (Philly, Philly, Philly- no wonder their fans are so bitter and ornery). I'm not saying the man's a genius. He can be downright annoying at times. I'm just saying I'm tired of hearing him get ripped just because or by hockey writers who don't know any better (Yeah I'm talkin' to you Jim Kelly: stick to what you know and I won't comment about hockey OK?). Since this is turning into a rant I'll conclude by saying congrats Dustin and keep talking to Roy. You might want to avoid the circuitous route he took though. Not too many human beings can deal with that kind of humiliation. Keep it up kid. ;)

CaramonLS - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#170607) #
Maybe we need a poll.... who would you rather have right now... McGowan who's just starting out on his MLB career or Dice-K, who's also just starting out on this side of the pond but is older and a lot more expensive?

Yes, but that wasn't the question.
CeeBee - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#170610) #

"Yes, but that wasn't the question."

Really?  I was sure I put a ? after the last word.

RhyZa - Monday, June 25 2007 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#170618) #
.. in other news, happy Birthday to Carlos Delgado, Dougie G, and me.
BigTimeRoyalsFan - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 04:11 AM EDT (#170629) #
Lets go with an impartial arbiter.  Here is how Ron Shandler at BBHQ projects the ERA's for the rest of the year only.

6. Marcum - 4.27

To think that the people here are "homers" is one thing - but to go quote a projection of someone else is just silly to me. Why is Ron Shandler's opinion any more valuable than the people sounding off on this board? What does he know about Shaun Marcum that none of us do? Here is what I, along with all of you, have witnessed from Mr. Marcum these last 2 seasons AS A STARTER :

career - 116.1 innings, 6-4 record, 3.79era, 1.27whip, 94k
season - 47.2 innings, 3-0 record, 2.45era, 0.99whip, 47k

To tell me you don't believe in his 2.45era is one thing. To just throw out an arbitrary # that is higher than both his season to date AND his career is just silly in my mind, and completely baseless. I'll take the opinion of all these "homers" over random projections any day of the week.

(as i wrote this, i realized that Marcum's career #s are extremely similar to AJ's. i like the sound of that, regardless of how small his sample size is! [22 starts])
GregJP - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#170649) #
I'll take the opinion of all these "homers" over random projections any day of the week.

OK, let's go over/under on a 4.00 ERA for Marcum from tonights start to the end of the year.  I'll take over, and I assume you'll take under. 
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#170651) #
GregJP, 4.00 is not a fair number.  Shandler has Marcum at 4.27 for the remainder of the year.  That is certainly above-average pitching, and consistent with Marcum's objective overall record.  I am sure that the club would be happy with 90-100 innings from Marcum at that level over the remainder of the season. 

If you wanted to round the number to 4.25, I'll take the under.  I will freely admit that my choice is purely subjective. 

Pistol - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#170654) #
I'm sure Shandler's numbers come from things other than past ERA, which isn't necessarily a great indicator of future ERA.  At a minimum he's looking at K, BB, and HR numbers, and probably also looking at batted ball date (FB, GB, PU).

Hardball Times has Marcum's actual ERA 1.50 better than his FIP ERA of 4.88.  Now, some of that would be the Jays defense, but some of that difference is probably luck too.  A 4.27 ERA the rest of the way seems quite reasonable to me.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#170658) #
Right.  Marcum has a very high DER, a very high HR/fly rate and a very high LOB rate.  The Jays' defence is generally good, and Marcum is a Gold-Glove quality fielding pitcher, but the DER is a good bet to fall some.  The HR/fly rate is a good bet to fall substantially, as is the LOB rate.  All of which gets you to an ERA in the low 4s.

Subjectively, I notice that his control is improving and I expect that it will continue to do so. 

ayjackson - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#170661) #
If the HR/FB rate reduces dramatically, that would put some upward pressure on the LOB rate.
timpinder - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#170689) #

4.25 ERA for Marcum?  I'll take over, but only very slightly, and an ERA of around 4.30 for a 4th starter is great, I'll take it.

If the same question was asked of McGowan, I'd take under, at around 4.00.  I don't consider myself a homer.  After 2005 I was quite adamant in my prediction that both Chacin and Towers would tank in 2006.  But I've also been, next to MyLegacy, perhaps the biggest McGowan supporter even when he was getting bombed.  He's going to be a 1A starter from here on out.  He'll still have the odd bad game because of his youth and inexperience, but they'll be evened out by the occasional 3 hitter.

If money was no object, I would take Dice-K over McGowan RIGHT NOW though, simply because of consistency.

HippyGilmore - Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#170693) #

Why oh why oh why oh why oh why did Tallet pitch the entire 12th? Would it have KILLED Gibby to use Accardo in the non save situation? It just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. The Tallet-Cirillo matchup with the bases loaded is basically throwing the game away.

ayjackson - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#170694) #
Tallet induced two weakly hit balls that were very lucky to find holes.  I can't MMQB Gibbons for this loss.  I might have pitched to Redmond for fear of the bases loaded walk, but that didn't come into play.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 09:24 AM EDT (#170695) #

Tallet's been just as good as Accardo lately, so I've got no problems using him. And it's not like the Twins smacked him around or he walked in the winning run - he did a decent job, but lost anyway. Alas.

Maldoff - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#170696) #

Can't blame last night on anyone but the offense.  1 run in 12 innings is pretty weak.  Getting COMPLETELY shut down by the Twins bullpen for 5 innings (they were perfect - no hits/walks) is even worse.

Tough loss, but they'll bounce back tonight behind Towers.....

Mike Green - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#170697) #
You could see the former shortstop in Marcum a couple of times last night, especially on the Castillo bunt.

It appeared to me that Vernon Wells (playing deep as usual) didn't get a good read on the bloop from Cirillo.  It just wasn't his night, as he hit the ball hard 4 times and had 1 hit to show. 

Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#170699) #

Marcum's just four innings short of qualifitying for the leader boards. He'd be 8th in ERA (just behind Josh Beckett) , 7th in WHIP, and second in BAA.

Not too shabby.

ayjackson - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#170700) #

It appeared to me that Vernon Wells (playing deep as usual) didn't get a good read on the bloop from Cirillo.  It just wasn't his night, as he hit the ball hard 4 times and had 1 hit to show.

I watched that winning hit several times in various speeds and directions (I love my PVR).  Wells did freeze for a second before reading the hit, and did seem to be a bit deep considering the hitter.  In the end, he was about a foot shy of the ball - and Clayton was within a meter too.  It's just one of those things.

AWeb - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 10:21 AM EDT (#170704) #
My thought was that possibly McDonald would've made that play, or gotten out of the way and allowed Wells a cleaner dive to it. I don't fault Clayton for trying to make the play, but if only one of he and Wells had been there, they would've had a better shot at the diving catch. As it is, I'd rather lose on that hit than risk losing Wells in a nasty collision.

Did anyone else think the ball wasn't carrying at all last night, and not just for Wells? It's odd to think in that monument to standardized conditions , the Metrodome, but I thought a lot of hard hit flies were dying out there. Maybe the sound is just better in Minnesota and it's fooling me....


Mike Green - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#170705) #

"Tough games," Morneau said.. "Obviously, you'd like to be out there. But there's a fine line between toughness and stupidity."

As told to Jeff Blair. The Canadian speaks the truth, as Joey the Lips Fagan might say.


Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#170706) #

Shea Hillenbrand continues to win friends and influence people. ""I'm a quality player in the prime of my career. To go from playing every day to not playing at all, it's very disheartening.""

He's hitting a quality 254/2745/325, in this prime of his career.

John Northey - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#170709) #
I like that the rumour is for Shea to go to the Yankees. Now that would be a lot of fun for everyone in the AL East. Especially if Torre puts him in at third to give A-Rod a day off here and there. Of course, the Yankee players doing DH/1B duty right now all have OPS+ of 90 or less so Shea could be an upgrade. Lets cross our fingers.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#170711) #

I was going to say "At least he's better than Doug Mientkiewicz", but he's actually not: Mientkiewicz is hitting 226/292/379. Even Josh Phelps is better at 263/330/363.

How do the Yankees spend $900 billion on their roster and still end up with a first baseman who hits like John McDonald?

MatO - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 01:09 PM EDT (#170713) #
I think Phelps was DFA'd a few days ago.  I'm not sure where he ended up.
John Northey - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#170731) #
Phelps is now in Pittsburgh and has gone 3 for 7 in 2 games played, 1 as a DH and 1 at first base.
John Northey - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#170733) #
Checking ESPN...

Yankee first basemen - 272/341/412
Problem: 3 guys used there mainly, Phelps 809 OPS, Cairo 769 OPS, Mientkiewicz 698 OPS while playing first. Phelps is gone and Cairo is actually at 614 for the year as a whole and is a middle infielder.

How do they get away with it?
CA: 301/359/453
SS: 332/406/469

For comparison Toronto...
1B: 273/334/478
CA: 207/280/307
SS: 234/277/320

Hmmm. Think that might explain a bit of how they get away with it.
Chuck - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#170737) #

Think that might explain a bit of how they get away with it.

Except that they're 36-38, so I'm not sure that they're getting away with anything. Brian Cashman has dropped the ball on this front, and in a huge way.

Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#170740) #

I don't think it's the offence that's costing the Yankees - they're still fourth in the majors in runs scored, even with some suckitude, injuries, and the disappearance of Bobby Abreu.

The pitching, on the other hand...

Chuck - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#170744) #

I don't think it's the offence that's costing the Yankees - they're still fourth in the majors in runs scored, even with some suckitude, injuries, and the disappearance of Bobby Abreu.

Yeah, but 4th is obviously not good enough. A real first baseman obviously wouldn't bridge the gap between 4th and 1st by himself, but he'd help. It's a fixable problem, as it was the entire off-season. The Plan A solution was ridiculous. Plan B is beyond laughable. Cairo is a sinkhole that entirely negates, say, Derek Jeter. You've got your shortstop hitting like a 1B and your 1B hitting like a shortstop. That's great if you want to play .500.

John Northey - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#170746) #
Well, for got away with it I more was talking about them not being in Devil Ray territory.

Still, it is odd to see. Phelps as a AAA backup was fine, Mientkiewicz as a sub was not. Giambi as your DH was OK, Damon becoming your DH is not. Andy Phillips, a career AAAA player (lifetime 70 OPS+ over 300+ PA) as your only real planned backup to Giambi, Mientkiewicz, and Phelps is just pathetic when you have the Yanks budget.

Oh, an update. Roger Clemens now has a 5.09 ERA - 84 ERA+ which is just a bit better than Towers & Ohka (79 each in Toronto).
Chuck - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#170748) #
Clemens now has two career relief appearances. One in 1984, and one in 2007.
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#170749) #
I still think that Phelps was a good right-handed option.  The Yanks would have been better off with someone like Stairs than Minky from the left side.  In fairness, the Yankees were shedding payroll during the off-season, so the options were more limited than usual. Their struggles, though, have more to do with inefficiency (-7 on the Pythag at the halfway mark takes some doing) and to a lesser degree with injuries than with the first base problem.

Cashman's first base problem should be borne in mind, though, when one weighs up Ricciardi's efforts at patching holes.  He is not alone in leaving one or two poorly repaired.
Chuck - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#170751) #

Cashman's first base problem should be borne in mind, though, when one weighs up Ricciardi's efforts at patching holes.  He is not alone in leaving one or two poorly repaired.

Except that Cashman's constraints are far less, er, constraining. The 1B mess has actually been brewing for a while now. Giambi has been a DH in waiting for a long time, and back when the Yanks were pissing away money on the likes of Wright and Pavano, they might have wanted to give first base a thought as well, or instead. Of course, there was the whole "Giambi hits poorly as a DH" argument that impeded his inevitable transition.

Still, no matter how this is sliced or diced, Miguel Cairo is the New York Yankees' starting first baseman. If the team is serious, he'll be Pipped before too long.

Thomas - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#170752) #
Clemens now has two career relief appearances. One in 1984, and one in 2007.

You're forgetting the 2005 playoffs.
Craig B - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#170754) #

Phelps is now in Pittsburgh and has gone 3 for 7 in 2 games played, 1 as a DH and 1 at first base.

Jim Tracy is going to *hate* Phelps.  Josh is exactly the opposite of Tracy's type of player.  So far, Tracy seems intrigued that he has a bench bat with power but he's going to lose it one of these days when Josh does something Josh-y.   I like that he threatened the writers that they'd better not write that Phelps was going to be platooned with Laroche.  Way to go, Jim... you sure are in charge.

Mike Green - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#170755) #
That was a big one.

 I would be very pleased if the club gave Curtis Thigpen a shot behind the plate tomorrow afternoon instead of Phillips.  It does not seem too likely.

Lefty - Wednesday, June 27 2007 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#170756) #

Once again Towers did just enough to remain on life support and back to back good appearances from Accardo.

Its a day game tomorrow, not a bad call to throw Thigpen out there, but on the other hand its Burnett's first start after the sore shoulder. I wouldn't mind having the authority of Zaun as a percaution.

westcoast dude - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 12:24 AM EDT (#170758) #
Matt Stairs needs a day off. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Curtis Thigpen should start at first base tomorrow and give us a bit more running game and some hits. Ash and Jerry were scratching their heads: how did the Jays win? The Wells strike to Zaun settled Josh down and he was dominant thereafter. Wolfe and Tallet continue to impress, but Accardo was a revelation to me. Clayton struggled but rose to the challenge with a late leadoff double and scored the winning run on the Rios sac fly. This was a game they had to win and some players  who were question marks became exclamation marks.
ayjackson - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 01:13 AM EDT (#170762) #
Stairs should start tomorrow versus Silva, but Thigpen can go Friday versus the lefty Washburn.  Doc faces Miggy on Saturday and Marcum faces Weaver on Sunday.  Seattle's playing well, though Pythagarus doesn't care for them so much.  The three pitching matchups definitely seem to favour us.  A win tomorrow could really set up the road trip.
AWeb - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 08:12 AM EDT (#170764) #
Well, this has been a great series so far. Three close games, the fans in Minnesota are into it, Jays win 2 of 3...This place always dies down to a whisper when the Jays win a few. Also, I am grateful the Jays don't have to play the Twins very often. This dink...bunt...bloop...high chopper offense of theirs (I realize Morneau is out) does not play well for the Jays, who have reliable infielders, but generally are not blessed with great range or quickness (Glaus, Stairs, Clayton). The Jays also can't stop a running game unless the pitcher is good at doing so, which isn't a surprise given Zaun and Phillips, but usually doesn't seem to come up this much. On the season the Twins run, but not that much more than Baltimore or the Yankees. The scouting report they put together for this series has been very good, even if they have lacked the occasional XB hit to cash in all those runners.
Maldoff - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#170765) #

I've said from the outset that I think this idea of moving Thigpen out from behind the plate is a bad one.  Throw the kid in there, and let's see how he does! He can't be any worse at throwing out runners than our current catchers, and can't be worse at blocking balls than Molina!

Today would be a great time to throw him in there. He hasn't played in a few, and wouldn't be facing an overly intimidating pitcher in Silva.

Pistol - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 09:27 AM EDT (#170766) #
I would be very pleased if the club gave Curtis Thigpen a shot behind the plate tomorrow afternoon instead of Phillips.  It does not seem too likely.

Doesn't sound like it..... ever.
The Blue Jays will soon have another player making a transition. Curtis Thigpen, originally a catcher, will stay with the team and serve as a right-hand-hitting first baseman until Lyle Overbay (hand) is ready to return. And at some point before the all-star break, general manager J.P. Ricciardi will sit down with him and tell him the organization views him as a second baseman or third baseman.

It does seem odd that Ricciardi woud tell Blair of the plans before he'd tell Thigpen.
Maldoff - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#170767) #
Does the switch of Thigpen to 2B and Hill to SS seem to anyone else to be weakening 2 positions? Hill has shown, in my opinion, that he is a great 2B, but not cut out for SS. Thigpen could be a good 2B, but would definitely be a step down from Hill.
Ryan Day - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#170768) #

I don't really get the Jays' philosophy with young players and positions. Ricciardi said last night that he thinks Hill can be a good shortstop, yet he continues to play second even though shortstop is a gaping hole at the ML level and there's no one in the minors who can play the position. (I like Santos, but I'm not confident enough to make plans around him just yet)

And now Thigpen is apparently not a catcher any more and will be learning a new infield position, but he's in the majors as a backup first baseman. Gregg Zaun isn't getting any younger, Jason Phillips ain't doing much, and Arencibia's not going to be ready by the time Zaun's contract is up; I guess the Jays like Robinzon Diaz a lot, but I'm fairly skeptical of a guy with almost no power whatsoever.

China fan - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#170770) #

    Blair, who is usually channelling Ricciardi's viewpoint, says the Jays prefer to groom Robinzon Diaz as the future catcher.   Diaz is hitting for a high average (if not power) at the AA level and the Jays obviously love the guy (he's been kept on the 40-man roster for quite a while) -- but he may have other deficiencies, as noted recently by Bauxite Marc, who said:  "Diaz is not that much more likely to stick at catcher. His game calling and receiving skills are horrible and there aren't many - if any - pitchers that like throwing to him... And this comes directly from two minor pitchers I have spoken to."

     There are some other oddities here.  If the Jays prefer Diaz over Thigpen for the catcher's job, why was Thigpen playing at catcher for almost the entire season at Syracuse before his call-up?   Why didn't he get a lot more time at 2B at least?  You can't learn 2B or 3B at the major league level, and even a few Instructional League sessions aren't likely to do the job.

     But this does clarify that Aaron Hill is likely to shift to SS next year, despite much furious Bauxite criticism of this idea.  Yes, it's true that SS is not Hill's strongest position, but it would surely improve the team's infield offensive production in 2008, at least.  The result might be a stronger lineup, from 1 to 9. 

Maldoff - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 10:14 AM EDT (#170771) #

I think because of the lack of statistics for it, many people forget that there are 2 aspects to a player's game: offense and defense. And while a lineup can be strong, a weak defense can really impact the runs allowed (not necessarily threw errors).

Watching Royce Clayton vs John McDonald is a perfect example.  While Clayton doesn't make a whole lot of errors, he also doesn't get to a lot of balls, which end up as hits, and can end up as runs. If you would have said (prior to this year) that Clayton would be in the lineup over McDonald, most fans would be happy, as he would be classified as a better hitter. But he also weakens the team defence, which can lead to more runs than otherwise would score.

Which brings me back to my point....while moving Hill to SS and Thigpen to 2B would strengthen the lineup 1-9, I wonder the difference in runs allowed that would come about.

ayjackson - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 10:17 AM EDT (#170774) #

I guess the Jays like Robinzon Diaz a lot, but I'm fairly skeptical of a guy with almost no power whatsoever

I guess the Twins would probably love him.

ayjackson - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#170775) #

Well on the whole, I think we're jumping the gun a bit here.  JP said that his future could lie at second or third and they'd like to teach him to play those positions at Instructional League.  And that's Blair's slant of what JP has said - or maybe he's just putting two and two together from several conversations with JP.

Maybe they view Santos/Olmedo as the SS future, with Hill at 2B and Thigpen backing up four infield spots (excluding SS) until Glaus is out of the plans at third.

Let's not get to excited about this yet.  Teaching an athlete to play multiple positions can only be a good thing in my view.  I'd bet the Jays knows how well Diaz calls a game and what his receiving skills are like.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#170776) #
Craig Biggio's conversion from catcher to second base might give some clues. He moved to second base in 1992 and won Gold Gloves beginning in 1994, so you might think that it went well but don't believe it.  The Gold Gloves lie.  He hit very well for a second baseman, and made few errors, but had little range and had a poor pivot for several years.  He was very durable, so his raw totals do not look as poor as the reality. He did improve gradually, as you might hope for.
Wildrose - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#170778) #
Obviously the team feels that Thigpen is deficient as a catcher, either in game calling or throwing, otherwise he would have gotten a shot over Phillips when Zaun was hurt. Too bad he certainly looks like a good hitter. Analyzing catcher defence from what I understand from a sabermetric viewpoint is very difficult, so I tend to defer in these matters. The Blue Jays seem a little " old school" in that they prefer experienced defence at catcher and short.

Moving Hill to short may be driven by the dearth of quality free agent talent available this coming off season at the position. Would any of the available catchers make a good platoon with Zaun? Personally given the frequency in which pitchers get hurt, I would be  cautious about trading from within this area.
Geoff - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#170779) #
It's another mutiny.

Old sailor friend Shea has been voted off the Angel island after mooring himself there for $6.5 million in the off-season.

Says Shea, "Hopefully, the same opportunity arises in the next couple of days with a new team."

"Shea's been great around here," Scioscia said. "He spoke his mind, but it's nothing that he hasn't said in here to us or to Bill. He's been ultra-professional in this clubhouse and great to have around."

Besides, why would a winning ballclub want to create a big messy foofaraw that could only distract the team's focus and success?

Can we vote on Shea's next pitstop? I'll guess Pittsburgh.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#170781) #
Ty Taubenheim was apparently sent down to make room for Burnett.  Has anyone heard yet about Brandon League's status and any consequential moves?
John Northey - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#170782) #
I'm betting on Shea in NY to play first/DH everyday and backup third once every two weeks or so.
Craig B - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#170792) #
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Baltimore.  Chris Gomez has played 33 games at first base, and the Orioles can't resist the Hillenbrand-types.  I expect Shea to pass through waivers and sign with the O's.
CeeBee - Thursday, June 28 2007 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#170823) #
Gawd I love Shea. It's guys like him that give us something to rant about after all.
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