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Was that Brandon League I saw ?



Nice to see Cito realises he's on the roster and good to see him on the mound, he didn't have a bad outing at all so hopefully we'll see him again sooner rather than later. Not much else to say about this one. Dustin was 'away from the RC' Dustin, the hitters got some hits against Washburn but couldn't turn enough of them into runs, and so on and so forth. Again the Jays played down to the competition and failed to grasp an excellect oppurtunity to make back some ground in the standings. Nice dinger from Lind in front of his folks though.

Elsewhere in the East, the good Daniel Cabrera made an appearance going all nine against the Royals for just a couple of runs and helping the O's to a comfortable 5-2 win. The Yankees went medieval on the Texas bullpen getting 12 runs in the 7th and 8th against Warner Madrigal and Jamey Wright. Madrigal's line: 0.1 IP 5 H 1 BB 6 ER 1 HR - 162.00 ERA. If you're like me and have made the Rays your 'second team' for the year there was lots of fun in Florida last night. After a slow start (Dice-K and Kazmir were both in love with the walk) it came to the stretch with Boston having a seemingly comfortable 3 run lead. Francona sent in Delcarmen for Okajima who had pitched a decent sixth. Delcarmen was swiftly followed by Hansen, Aardsma and Lopez, but not before the Rays had eleven hitters at the plate and had scored six runs as the Sox relievers couldn't buy an out or in Hansen's case even a strike. Pedroia, who had a mavellous game, and Youkilis plated a couple of runs in the 8th and 9th - Youkilis on a deep fly to center that Upton made a terrific over the shoulder catch on, recovering from a bad initial jump to run it down by the fence. The end came with Varitek, who is stuck in a terrible and prolonged slump, failing again at the plate. First, he swung through a pitch with a hit and run on leading to Lowell being thrown out at second, then a couple of pitches later he weakly struck out looking. I don't understand Francona's decision to hit and run when Varitek is swinging and missing at a furious pace, maybe he thought with contact at a premium he'd choke up and shorten his swing  which might help him out of his slump ? Beats me. Beats me almost as much as why he was hitting at all with Casey on the bench.

To take my mind off McGowan's struggles I finally got around to doing some All-Star voting. Here's my ballot:



I tend to the best player this year, rather then best career player, school of All Star voting. I'd be quite excited to see my AL team at Yankee stadium, but bored stiff to see the one that will actually be run out there. Far too many Red Sox, I mean how do you vote for Pedroia over Kinsler or Roberts ? I'm more in tune with the NL voters apart from the populist outfield selections.

No Game today. The Jays get a day off in LA. Lucky for some.
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greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 07:39 AM EDT (#188269) #
I'm glad I didn't stay up to watch that one.

On a different note: I find it amazing that Mike Wilner can be so confident that the Rays won't be there at the end. Maybe it helps his media ratings to assert a controversial position? I tend to think that none of us knows for sure whether the Rays will stay in the race, but the evidence so far is pretty compelling. 52-32? Sweeping the Red Sox in Boston? I know I'm impressed.

It's early July and the Jays are 12 games behind the first-place Rays and 8.5 games out in the wild card race (with seven teams to pass).
Magpie - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 07:43 AM EDT (#188270) #
Obviously he won't be the starter, but Mighty Troy Glaus is en fuego, and has a pretty good chance of getting invited to the Big Exhibition in Yankee Stadium.

I confess, I miss the Big Fella. Hey, since May 31, he's hit more home runs than Scott Rolen. And Vernon Wells. And Alex Rios. And Lyle Overbay. And Matt Stairs.

Combined.

John Northey - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#188272) #
At 12 games out of first and 8 1/2 out of the wild card I'd agree the Jays are in a selling mood come July 31st unless a miracle happens.  So, who could be trade bait?
  1. AJ - obvious due to being seen as a potential ace (still) with a contract that, worse case, is cheap for 2 more years.  Anyone getting him would probably want to renegotiate and lock him up long term.  Won't be traded for less than two top prospects (be they low minors or high) as the Jays expect to get 2 draft picks for him this winter.  Jays have potential replacements as well which makes it easier (Parrish, Purcey, even Cecil)
  2. David Eckstein - "proven winner" able to help a potential playoff team if it is weak up the middle.  Only signed for this season so would be worth a B prospect, maybe an A if a team is desperate.  Again, potential replacements in Scutaro and McDonald.
  3. Gregg Zaun - solid catcher with good rep, again signed for just this season but an option for 2009 that isn't expensive (3.75 million).  Not worth a lot, but if Diaz is ready the Jays could do it.
  4. Frasor & Tallet - right/left combo available, both in arbitration years, both with some skill, neither worth a lot, both replaceable with current talent.
Anyone else (Downs, Stairs, etc.) could be available but have a contract for 2009 at least or are in the super cheap years (Inglett, Carlson) thus the Jays wouldn't want to trade them unless they got great value.  In truth, if the Jays did find takers for AJ, Eck, Zaun, Frasor and Tallet they could actually improve in the second half ala 1998 when they dumped Sprague, Guzman and Myers (3B, SP, Closer) mid season and went on a charge.  Received nothing for them (3 prospects who were nothing special) but it worked to clear out playing time for others.  Note: Guzman was traded to Baltimore who turned him around the next season for BJ Ryan.

MondesiRules - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 08:56 AM EDT (#188273) #

AJ being shopped for an SS?  Interesting...

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Baseball/2008/07/03/6050686-sun.html

 

Marc Hulet - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 09:08 AM EDT (#188274) #
Good luck to them... cannot think of a playoff-bound team with an excess shortstop or even a shortstop prospect who is close to the majors....
FisherCat - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 09:19 AM EDT (#188275) #

Riddle me this anyone.  Who are the top 5 SS prospects in all of the minor leagues?  And, which ones are the closest to major league ready?  Just wondering.

Plus, can the Jays even get one of the top 20 SS prospects in a trade?

Maldoff - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 09:30 AM EDT (#188276) #
If I were the Jays, the two shortstops I would be zeroing in on are Ronny Cedeno of the Cubs and Chin-lung Hu of the Dodgers. Both have pretty good minor league track records, are known for being good defenders, and are buried on teams that seemingly refuse to play them (especially in the case of Hu - I mean, Nomar at SS, PLEASE!).  Maybe their current teams know something we don't, but those seem like two solid, up and coming players to target.
ayjackson - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#188277) #

Reid Brignac in Tampa and Jed Lowrie in Boston are the two closest.  I'm not sure Burnett is needed in Tampa unless they ask him to close.  The Sox will probably have Buccholz back soon, but they might have interest.

Here's a ranking from February.

Gerry - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 09:41 AM EDT (#188278) #
For what it's worth, the Jays did not have a hit after Eckstein's bunt single in the fifth.
Anders - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:01 AM EDT (#188279) #
They're offering Burnett to any team that needs pitching," said an American League general manager. "They've told us they're not happy with either David Eckstein or John McDonald."

While I have little doubt that this is true, it strikes me as odd that a General Manager would give an on the record but off the record quote in this fashion. Maybe I'm just use to JP's brashness though...
Chuck - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#188281) #
Obviously he won't be the starter, but Mighty Troy Glaus is en fuego, and has a pretty good chance of getting invited to the Big Exhibition in Yankee Stadium.

Glaus had the whole Rios thing going for a while, stuck at 2 or 3 homeruns two months into the season. His most amazing stat, to me, is this: 84 GP. He has played in all but two of the Cardinals' games. As usual, he is mashing LHP (979 OPS).
FisherCat - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:33 AM EDT (#188282) #

Thanks ayjackson for that link.

Figures that most of the guys on the list are either on "selling teams" at the deadline or with a division rival (i.e. Sox & Rays).

Hu seems like the only slim possibility.

jsut - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#188283) #
Nice to see Cito realises he's on the roster and good to see him on the mound, he didn't have a bad outing at all so hopefully we'll see him again sooner rather than later.

I'm not sure if you actually saw League pitch, but he got pretty damned lucky in the 7th in my eyes.  He was having a hell of a time finding the zone, getting out of the inning on a nice (but lucky) double play from Rolen to Overbay (9 balls 6 strikes thrown that inning).  He looked better in the 8th, and got back to 50/50 balls to strikes while striking out two.  It seemed like Cito's little trip out to the mound got him pointed in the right direction.
Chuck - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#188284) #
League pitches so infrequently that I imagine it's difficult for him to stay sharp.
Marc Hulet - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#188285) #
Unfortunately neither Hu nor Cedeno have impact bats... I would rather have the draft picks.
Ryan Day - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#188286) #
League hasn't really been sharp in the first place. He was a mess last year, and even his AAA numbers this year weren't so hot - he was still giving up a hit an inning, which seems excessive for someone with his stuff and experience.

He's probably the least reliable pitcher in the pen, so when the games are close or the starters go deep, there's not much room for him.

Parker - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#188287) #
On a different note: I find it amazing that Mike Wilner can be so confident that the Rays won't be there at the end. Maybe it helps his media ratings to assert a controversial position?

It doesn't seem he's enjoying the controversy very much, since he posted this on his last blog:

...if you’re just going to spew hate at me, take your act somewhere else, please.

I'm pretty sure this refers to all the feedback calling him out for his totally insane conviction that the Rays will fall apart between now and October 1st.  It's one thing to be skeptical about their newfound success, but to be absolutely convinced that their winning ways won't last and unwilling/unable to come up with any evidence to support his opinion other than their terrible past record is inexplicable and dumbfounding coming from someone who normally comes across as very intelligent and sensible about baseball matters.
greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#188288) #
"AJ - obvious due to being seen as a potential ace (still) with a contract that, worse case, is cheap for 2 more years. Anyone getting him would probably want to renegotiate and lock him up long term. Won't be traded for less than two top prospects (be they low minors or high) as the Jays expect to get 2 draft picks for him this winter."

Maybe I'm undervaluing AJ, but I would be surprised to see him net two top prospects. Deadline deals just don't seem to net as much these days, unless you're trading a superstar like Teixeira, Beltran, or Carlos Lee. I could see Burnett netting one very good (but not top-tier) prospect and one OK prospect.

I would stay away from Rich Hill, if I were JP. Lots of talent, but he's 28 and seems to have completely lost his command, both in the majors and at AAA. I would aim for an early-20s SS or pitching prospect, even one who's a year or two away from the majors. The point is to sell high and buy low. (Billy Beane seems to have done this very well--acquiring very good prospects before they arrive on everyone's radar screen.)
Chuck - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#188289) #

In fairness to Wilner, I think I'd sound a lot like him if my job precluded me from being able to turn the TV off when the Jays were playing. Even money can't soften the blow when forced to watch Miguel Cairo singlehandedly take the team down.

That said, I think he should soften some of his entrenched beliefs. Self-confidence is great, but humility is greater.

parrot11 - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#188290) #
On a different note: I find it amazing that Mike Wilner can be so confident that the Rays won't be there at the end.

I have a good chuckle on that one too. The Rays have conducted themselves like they belong more than the Jays at any point under JP's tenure. It would have been easy for them to pack up the tent and say wait till next year when Kazmir was injured and Longoria sent down to start the season, but they didn't. It's not like eveything has gone perfect for them, but they've made it happen. Compare this to how the Jays react to any kind of adversity and I would figure the Jays to be the team with a whole bunch of young and inexperienced players.
S P - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#188292) #
In a minor defense of Wilner, the Ray have overachieved by 2-4 games depending on which Pythag. record you look at. Only the Angels have been luckier. He's gonna have a hard time explaining himself though if the Rays make the playoffs. And I think they will. I think he has just caught himself in a web of "stubbornosity" and he's not going down without a fight.
DH - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#188293) #
Milwaukee is searching for a starter ..... and we could use this guy : http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=4417
Chuck - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#188294) #
With Scutaro being the favourite child and Furcal out for two months, reckon Eckstein could be a Dodger before the month is up?
Wildrose - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#188295) #
League hasn't really been sharp in the first place. He was a mess last year, and even his AAA numbers this year weren't so hot - he was still giving up a hit an inning, which seems excessive for someone with his stuff and experience.

I'm not really sure this is an entirely  fair statement. He was a mess last year because he was hurt. This year his velocity is back ( I saw some pitch FX data that had him as the hardest thrower in the majors this year, although the sample size is extremely low) so he appears to be healthy again.

In terms of his giving up a hit per inning, remember he's an extreme ground baller and somewhat dependent on his infield defence. His  Babip is quite an unlucky .344, his FIP ERA is 3.14 ( due to run attribution rules this is a better measure for relievers than standard ERA). He's striking out nearly one batter per inning, his control ( much like Purcey) could be a little better.

You're  right they don't seem to have much faith in him. This is somewhat puzzling as his numbers warrant more frequent usuage. Perhaps they feel he has a somewhat fragile psyche. I don't know. I think it fair to say his control would improve if used more, also I think he could stand to improve his breaking pitch. He used a change-up with some success last night, but his command of the pitch has always seemed a bit shaky. 

Personally I'd like to see him used more and see what you have.
Marc Hulet - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#188296) #
An excellent defender, Alcides Escobar is unfortunately a singles hitter who does not walk (a putrid three to five percent of the time)... His value is all in his defence and batting average... Can the offensive-starved Jays afford to field a hitter like that (.280/.310/.350)? I certainly would not build a package around him... But he would be an OK add-on. I highly doubt, though, that Milwaukee would give up Mat Gamel or Matt LaPorta with Escobar for potentially two months of AJ.
Mike Green - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#188297) #
League has always done well against right-handed hitters.  With a pen filled with LHPs and a potential late-inning infield defence of Rolen, McDonald, Hill and Overbay, you would think that the conditions could be excellent for him later.  I understand why the club would want to start him in a low leverage role.

Hill's defensive abilities are very important to a RH groundballing reliever.

greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#188298) #
One factor that could increase the return on AJ is the draft compensation--assuming, of course, that he qualifies as a type A free agent. If he does, the receiving team would not only get Burnett for the August/Sept/Oct, but also receive a couple of high draft picks. Not a bad deal.
timpinder - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#188299) #

I wouldn't be surprised if Overbay was shopped either.  One of Lind or Snider will probably have to be moved from the outfield in the near future.

Wildrose - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#188300) #
Hill's defensive abilities are very important to a RH groundballing reliever.

True enough, but I don't think the defensive abilities of Hill's replacements preclude using League as infrequently as has been the case.

I'd consider solving the shortstop woes long term by moving Hill to S.S.( perhaps with Gibby out of the picture this move may be considered )  and looking at bringing back the O-Dog or Mark Ellis as free agents in the off-season. You'd think a gold glove  caliber second bagger with plus arm strength  could at least be adequate defensively at shortstop. His bat would certainly play well at the position.
greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#188301) #
I could see Overbay being traded at the '09 deadline, after the Jays have had another 12 months to evaluate Lind and Snider's abilities (offensive and defensive). Trading him now would remove some of the Jays' needed positional depth and decrease the team's main strength: run prevention.
Wildrose - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#188302) #
Naturally all this speculation is dependent on Hill returning. God help this young man who has all ready had a lot of terrible misfortune.
ComebyDeanChance - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#188303) #
I think it would be pretty hard to move Overbay without another salary-pickup, which I doubt would go over well at RogCom. Of qualified 1b, Overbay ranks 8 of 13 in RC27 (4.70), barely ahead of Kevin Millar at 9 (4.68), and behind Mark Teahan (4.77). And Overbay is in the top third of salary for his position. He's owed $15.6 million for 2009/10.


All that adds up to negative trade value which means Toronto pays someone to take him off the payroll. I doubt that happens.
Mike Green - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#188306) #
Overbay's a fine defender, as well as a fair bat.  He's a better player than Sean Casey was in 2006.
85bluejay - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#188307) #

I can't imagine another GM DUMB enough to take Overbay without some sort of salary relief  - good defensive

1st baseman is nice, but a team needs much better offensive production from that position.

The sad part of the blue jays offense is that there is not a single bat that scares other teams - pathetic  

ComebyDeanChance - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#188308) #
Overbay's a fine defender, as well as a fair bat. He's a better player than Sean Casey was in 2006.

I don't think you'll find anyone who'll disagree that Overbay is better than Sean Casey's worst year. Realistically, they're a good comparison. Casey has a career OPS of .817, Overbay of .810. In the last 5 years, including when Casey had a terrible half-season with Detroit in '06, Casey has the better RC27 IN 3 of them. The problem is that Casey's salary is 800 thousand, and as I said Overbay is owed $15.6 million over the next two years. That means that all you get back in a trade is the portion of the salary that the receiving team is willing to eat, and a minor prospect. It's the Hinske deal redux with a somewhat better player overall, but a much higher salary.
Wildrose - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#188309) #

I can't imagine another GM DUMB enough to take Overbay without some sort of salary relief  - good defensive

1st baseman is nice, but a team needs much better offensive production from that position.

The  MLB average first baseman has a  .276 EQA  ( a more accurate measurement than OPS +), Overbay this year has produced a  .271 EQA so he's slightly below average hitting wise. In terms of defence, UZR  or the Fielding Bible are the gold standards. Overbay is a slighly above average defender over  the past few years using these measures.

Essentially if you wanted an example of " league average production" at a particular position , Overbay is the very definition of that, so far in 2008.




parrot11 - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#188310) #
I highly doubt, though, that Milwaukee would give up Mat Gamel or Matt LaPorta with Escobar for potentially two months of AJ.

I doubt that the Brewers would give up any of those 3 guys for AJ, nevermind Escobar and somebody else.
Mike Green - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#188311) #
I didn't choose 2006 randomly for Casey.  That was the year that he was traded at the deadline. His salary that year was $8.5 million, and it looks like the Tigers traded for him without getting cash in return.
squagles - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#188312) #
Dare the Jays deal within the division?  Burnett to the Sox for Jed Lowrie?
ComebyDeanChance - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#188313) #
I didn't choose 2006 randomly for Casey. That was the year that he was traded at the deadline. His salary that year was $8.5 million, and it looks like the Tigers traded for him without getting cash in return.

Sorry Mike, I hadn't got the connection. I think the big difference is that Casey's contract expired in 2006, so the Tigers were only picking up the remainder of 2006. They then signed him for less than half of that for 2007. With Overbay, it's not simply a matter of the remainder of this year, but the 15.6 million commitment for 2009/2010.
greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#188316) #
I would rather see the Jays land a good-field, OK-hit SS (say, an OPS of at least 700) than another mediocre fielder who hits like Eckstein or Scutaro. With pitchers like Halladay and Litsch starting a big chunk of your games, it pays to have a strong defensive shortstop--as we've seen in the last couple of years. The team just can't carry McDonald's 590 career OPS, and it can't carry Eckstein's glove.
S P - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#188317) #
I would do Burnett for Jed Lowrie in a "cocaine heartbeat" as Bill Simmons would say. Not that I'm eager to give up on this season, but we're not gonna get much better than that for Burnett. I don't trust supplemental picks in a weak '09 draft. Lowrie would fill an organizational hole for the near future until Justin Jackson (hopefully) lives up to his billing. I'm assuming of course that Lowrie can play SS every day. There are some questions about him lasting there but he should stick and he'll be an average fielder and a plus hitter. Do it JP!
greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#188318) #
To be clear: I wasn't saying that Lowrie would be a poor choice. He looks pretty solid as a hitter (I can't comment on his defense). I would be surprised if the Red Sox would deal him for Burnett, though they might become more interested if the Rays assert their hold on 1st place and other teams start to compete hard for the wildcard.

How about Burnett (and maybe a second player) for Reid Brignac?
Ron - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#188320) #
According to Jayson Stark, the Brewers are willing to deal JJ Hardy in the right deal. Hardy's only 25 years old and he currently has more HR's than every single Blue Jay. The SS position on the Jays has been a complete power sinkhole the past couple of season (okay it's probably more than a couple of seasons......) and Hardy would correct this. I would be willing to flip AJ and Brett Cecil to get him. The problem is that I doubt many teams view Burnett as a number 1 or 2 pitcher. AJ by himself probably isn't going to land anything of substantial value.
raptorsaddict - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#188321) #
I disagree with those who think AJ won't bring anything in return. With the potential for either supplemental picks or a contract extension, he should bring something in return. If we included a reliever with him I think the Rays would be willing to part with youth if they are still in contention. They might also overpay since they've never been in the playoffs before and will probably be looking to show the fan-base that they want to win.

As for Overbay, I think he's only owed 7 million in each of the next two seasons, at least according to this globe article.

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070113.wspt-overbay13/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home

If that is the case, I see no reason whatsoever for us to eat any salary. Indeed, he could even potentially bring a B-B+ type prospect in return, especially come deadline time when teams are most vulnerable.

I say we forget about this year, and move Eck, Macdonald and Overbay for whatever we can get. I'd also move any of the following if the offer was decent: Frasor, Downs, Tallett and Stairs (as much as it would pain me). Rebuild without totally blowing it up, and give the kids a chance.
Glevin - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#188324) #
Why would the Red Sox want Burnett? They have Beckett, Dice-K, Lester, Wakefield, Colon, Masterson, and Buckholtz who can all start. That's hardly a need. I don't see any time particularly needing Eckstein. Maybe the Dodgers but i can't see any team giving up much for him. As for which SS would be available. I have a feeling the Indians would be open to trading Peralta (And not just because they have decided to move Cabrera to SS in AAA). Of course, the Indians wouldn't particularly want Burnett, but the Jays could definitely a get a quality young player/prospect or two for him somewhere. (Phillies?)

As for Mike Wilner, I am finding him a bit like J.P. I liked him at first, but he too seems far too arrogant-so much so-I almost never listen to him anymore. I heard one called say that "The Jays need to be blown up and rebuilt" and Wilner just said something like "you have no idea what you're talking about. They don't need to rebuild." I find he has that "you're an idiot" response to anyone who doesn't share his vision of the Jays.
Chris DH - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#188325) #

If you are looking for a shorstop that may be ready next year, Baseball America just came out today with its best 1st half performers at every position:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2008/266433.html

1.  Alcides Escobar Mil (AA) .331/.360/.448 Age: 21 (probably part of the reason the Brewers are looking to deal Hardy)

2.  Jason Donald PHI (AA) .299/.390/.494 Age: 23 (read today the Phillies were showing interest in Bedard and Sabathia)

3.  Chris Valaika Cin (A/AA) .312/.363/.489 Age: 22

And it appears the Orioles are interested in Eckstein:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-osnotes703,0,7700004.story

John Northey - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#188326) #
The Red Sox are interesting.  Here are the starters and ERA+ this year and career (in order of games started)
Lester: 123 - 109 (3rd season)
Wakefield: 115 - 108
Beckett: 117 - 116
Matsuzaka: 137 - 114 (2nd season)
Buchholz: 77 - 107 (2nd partial season)
Masterson: 114 (rookie season)
Colon: 104 - 112 but 90 and under 3 of the past 4 years

Only 4 have 10+ starts, and most teams don't like to be chasing a pennant with kids in the rotation.  Burnett could be tempting to them.

What is interesting is their pen.  4 guys over 100 for ERA+ (10+ IP) but 4 at 90 or less (3 over 20 IP) with 3 of the 4 under 10 IP getting their butts kicked too.  Manny Declarmen looks just a bit unlucky but the pressure could be on there to add some depth.  The Jays got that coming out the wazoo so a match could be made potentially. 

The Jays and Red Sox could do a pitching trade, but it depends on the pressure the Sox feel.  They just got swept by the Rays but have a 2 1/2 game lead on the wild card (5 over the Yankees - always fun to play those two off each other) so the pressure could be building but isn't that high yet.  I'd say catcher (Varitek has a 74 OPS+ this year and Kevin Cash is the backup) is a much bigger priority.  Maybe they'd like Zaun plus a reliever or two mixed with AJ?  That would cover off most holes and we could throw in Eckstein to cover Lugo and his 86 OPS+ bat (65 last season - love his page's sponsor) and the Jays wouldn't really be hurt at all but Boston would be improved where they need it the most this year but not long term.  Win-win all around.
greenfrog - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#188327) #
I don't really see a pitching trade with the Red Sox. Masterson, Buchholz and Lester are the guys to go after, but there is no way the Sox is giving any of them up for a short-term rental.

Interesting point about Escobar. I was wondering who the Brewers had that might make them want to trade JJ Hardy. Still- it would seem odd to trade someone like Hardy when you're in the thick of a pennant race. I guess salary is also a factor. Hardy is 25, has played a few seasons, was already arb-eligible last year, and makes $2.65M- he's about to enter his pricey years.

This year's trade deadline is sort of an interesting situation for JP, in that he may lose his job after the season. Does this make him less likely to take a long-term view when it comes to potential trades? I hope it doesn't create a bias towards "major-league ready" talent, unless that also happens to be the best talent available.
Glevin - Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 11:58 PM EDT (#188328) #
"Does this make him less likely to take a long-term view when it comes to potential trades? I hope it doesn't create a bias towards "major-league ready" talent, unless that also happens to be the best talent available."

J.P has always had that bias anyway. As for the Red Sox, I think they might wait until Big Papi comes back before they start to panic. I can't see them trading for anyone the Jays want to trade.  Their starting pitching is maybe the deepest in baseball, they hardly need Burnett. I think there are a few teams that would be very interested though. Contenders in need of pitching. (And the Yankees doesn't make sense. Same division and all). The Mets, Phillies, maybe Brewers if they think he'll decline the option,  Dodgers, and maybe the Tigers or Rangers, if they still feel they are in it. Sabathia will be traded for sure, and Bedard might be as well which might leave a couple of teams desperate and willing to overpay based on A.J.'s "potential".
Paul D - Friday, July 04 2008 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#188342) #

 

Tampa Bay just called up SS prospect Reid Brignac, and the rumour is that they're showcasing him.   Maybe the Rays will want some veterans in the pen or starting rotation.  Although that's unlikely.

Chuck - Friday, July 04 2008 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#188357) #
I would imagine that with Percival's health a serious issue, the Rays would be interested in strengthening the bullpen. Whether they'd be willing to move Brignac to accomplish that, I can't say, though I am skeptical.
Mike Green - Friday, July 04 2008 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#188366) #
This is the first move of the Rays this year that I do not understand.  You have a double play combination that is working very well; your club is on a winning streak and is in first place in July.  Brignac is struggling in triple A (Durham is a hitter's park) and is 22 years old.  To showcase him in the major leagues means playing him, and that will probably hurt the club.  Dumb move.
Mike Green - Friday, July 04 2008 @ 12:25 PM EDT (#188368) #
Nevermind.  Bartlett's on the DL.  That explains that.
Blue in SK - Friday, July 04 2008 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#188377) #

Maybe the Rays have an interest in Accardo? He's still young and cheap...that fits in well with the Rays philiosphy. No idea how long till he returns but it wasn't a serious arm problem Jeremy had was it?

Chuck - Friday, July 04 2008 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#188388) #
I thought I heard recently that Accardo had a "setback" in his rehabbing. Not sure if that is accurate or what it might mean. It doesn't seem like Accardo is in any position to help the Rays now and they may be wanting to make a move specifically with this year's playoffs in mind.
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