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Has the draft always been in the evening? I seem to remember if being an afternoon affair... I suppose they want to capitalize on TV audiences. Anyway, it goes down at 6PM tonight.

Stephen Strasburg, of course, is expected to go #1 overall to the Washington Nationals, and over the past month we've been inundated with "best prospect ever" hype. On Fangraphs today, however, Dave Cameron makes a decent case that Dustin Ackley, the consensus #2 pick and best hitter in the draft, wouldn't be such a bad choice for the Nats. He reasons that hitters are inherently less risky than pitchers, and the large cost difference between Strasburg and Ackley (Scott Boras is expected to use Daisuke Matsuzaka's 50 million/6 years contract as a model for Strasburg, and he's expected to wind up signing for between 20-30 mil) make the two players closer than people think. Cameron doesn't come out and say the Nats should draft Ackley, but it's an interesting thought and a good read nonetheless. Also, Cameron will be live-blogging the draft over at Fangraphs, so check it out if you want to follow the draft with a bit more of a sabermetric lean than you'll get from MLB.com or ESPN's coverage.

Jim Callis of Baseball America, who has a pretty good track record of projecting the draft, posted his Mock Draft 4.0 today. The first round is available to non-subscribers. Callis has the top 5 going Strasburg, Ackley, Donavan Tate (who could reportedly fall very far if the Padres at 3 and the Athletics at 13 pass), Aaron Crow, and Zack Wheeler. Callis has the Jays picking LSU outfielder Jared Mitchell. Notable names to fall out of the first round of Callis' draft include Grant Green, Kyle Gibson, and Canadian James Paxton, who the Jays have been previously linked to.

If you just can't wait until 6PM, MLB.com has coverage all day leading up to 6PM, and their resident draft guru, Jonathan Mayo, has released his final projection. Mayo has Aaron Crow falling to #9, with Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez taking his spot at #4, and the Jays taking Sacramento State outfielder Tim Wheeler, with Jared Mitchell going one pick later to Houston. This is what Mayo has to say about the Jays:

There remains the possibility that the Jays will be a little adventurous and take a high school bat, but the college bat route seems like a more plausible route. Wheeler, Pollock, Sanchez could all be considered if available.

He's referring to A.J. Pollock, a Notre Dame outfielder, and the aforementioned Tony Sanchez.

If you're an ESPN Insider (I'm not), here's Keith Law's final mock draft.

Over at Minor League Ball, John Sickels and crew did a community mock draft of the first three rounds (link takes you to the first round). As a community mock draft, rather than a projection, it's less likely to be accurate, but for what it's worth, the Jays took injured but high-upside pitcher Kyle Gibson.

Also, Da Box's very own Marc Hulet will be live-blogging the draft over at Baseball Analysts. Ch-ch-check it out!

Feel free to use this thread to discuss the draft! We'll keep it updated with all the Jays' picks throughout the evening.

Toronto Blue Jays 2009 Amateur Draft Selections

Round 1, 20th overall, RHP Chad Jenkins, Jr., Kenesaw State, 6-4, 225.  Born December 22, 1987.  MLB.com Scouting Report.

Here's some video of Jenkins courtesy of YouTube.  Jenkins was the Atlantic Sun Conference player of the year after going 8-1 with a 2.54 ERA. He pitched 92 innings, giving up 80 hits with a K-BB mark of 98-15.  Scouting reports describe Jenkins as a good command pitcher who throws a 90-94 MPH fastball along with a 80-85 MPH slider that's considered to be his out pitch and a 80-83 MPH change that's plus.

Rotoworld considers him to be a number three or four starter.  Scouting director Jon Lalonde comments on the selection of Jenkins Baseball America has additional comments from Lalonde about Jenkins.  Jordan Bastian of bluejays.com files a story on Jenkins along with some video.

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Round 1 (Supplemental), 37th overall, LHP James Paxton, Jr., Kentucky, 6-4, 215.  Born November 6/1988.  MLB.com Scouting Report.

A Canadian lad from Ladner, B.C. who is represented by Scott Boras, Paxton delivers serious heat with a fastball ranging from 92-98 MPH and is reported to have a power slider.  However, scouting reports also indicate he hasn't developed a third pitch and needs to work on his control and command.  He went 5-3 with a 5.86 ERA this season but his K/BB total was 115-20 in 78 1/3 innings.  This is a pick the Jays received from the Yankees for signing you know who as a free agent.

Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun had a piece on Paxton earlier this week.  The Vancouver Sun talked to Paxton late last month.  Another Bob Elliott article last month compares Paxton to fellow Canadian lefty Jeff Francis.

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Round 2, 68th overall, LHP Jake Eliopoulos, 6-3, 178, Sacred Heart HS - Newmarket, ON/Brantford Red Sox (Intercounty League).  Born May 21/1991.  Video on Eliopoulos here, here and here.

Born in the Ukraine, scouting reports says Eliopoulos has a three-pitch mix featuring a high 80's fastball with an occasional foray into the low 90's, a change and a curve.  PG Crosschecker.com says he needs to work on his fastball command but it does have good movement and improve his consistency of his other pitches.  It's hoped that his velocity will improve once he fills out.  The top-ranked Canadian high school pitcher in the draft, he had a 1.13 ERA in two starts with Brantford while racking up 12 K's in eight innings.

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Round 3, 99th overall, RHP Jake Barrett, 6-4, 235, Desert Ridge HS - Arizona.  Born July 22/1991.  MLB.com Scouting Report.

Compared to Kevin Millwood in terms of his build, Barrett is described to have plus stuff but needs to refine his command according to the MLB.com draft experts.  He was considered to be the best high school arm in the state of Arizona.  His fastball clocks in at 90-94 MPH but doesn't have a lot of movement.  He's able to locate it and command it.  Barrett also throws a power curve and splitter in the mid to high 70's.  He may need to get into better shape but is lauded for his fastball command and his composure on the mound.

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Round 3, 104th overall, OF Jacob Marisnick, 6-4, 200, Riverside Poly HS - California.  Born March 30/1991.  Video on Marisnick here.

That's three Jakes in a row!  Now they have to select a Fat Man!!  The MLB.com panel describes Marisnick as one of the best athletes in the draft and a five-tool talent.  The big question is his bat as he reportedly struggled with the stick.  The right-handed batter, who has been compared to Hunter Pence, has a commitment to Oregon.  This was the other compensation pick for the Yankees signing whatshisname.

great projection. His fastball is currently in the high 80s but shou physically. He already shows a good feel for a change and his curvebal

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Maldoff - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#201022) #
Wheeler would be quite nice, seeing as John Sickels compares him to Andre Ethier....
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#201024) #
As between Wheeler, Mitchell and Pollock, my vote would be for Wheeler.
China fan - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#201025) #
I know you're supposed to pick the best player available, regardless of position, yadda yadda, but I still think it would be very nice if the Jays do happen to pick an oufielder, if indeed he happened to be the best player available when number 20 rolls around.  The Jays do need to bolster that position in their system. 
metafour - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#201026) #
The Jays do need to bolster that position in their system

Not really.  The upper minors are pretty bare with OF talent but we've got a nice stock of young outfielders with upside in the lower minors (Sierra, Chavez, Wilson, Eiland, Brisker...)
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#201028) #
You really shouldn't be taking into account positional need to any extent, if at all, when drafting in the first round.  It is generally a good idea to have a number of centerfield, middle infield, catching and (obviously) pitching prospects in the system.  But, if you're deciding between Tim Wheeler and Chad Jenkins for instance, the key thing is who you think is the better player. 

I do agree that Kenny Wilson is a good centerfield prospect.
tercet - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#201029) #
We have enough toolsy OF in the system straight from HS(Eiland, Wilson, etc..) based on our minor leagues weakness we need a proven slugging OF whether it be from high school or college.
metafour - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#201032) #
Well, it looks like we're going to see how serious Beeston and company are willing to pursue going over slot because kids are falling left and right because of a late barrage of high contract demands.  Callis has what he believes the first 8 picks will play out:

1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
7. Braves: Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor.
8. Reds: North Carolina righhander Alex White.

Hobgood becomes the first HS pitcher off the board because of contract demands of guys like Matzek, Jacobs.  Pirates are serious about over-drafting Sanchez to save money either for later picks or for prized Dominican 16-year old Miguel Sano.

jgadfly - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#201033) #

My 2 Cents ...   pending availability I'd go with Drew Storen, then Aaron Crowe, then Kyle Gibson, then Wheeler as my first selection... I've bought into the Drew Storen hype and could see the Jays trying him as a starter (a la Brett Cecil experiment) ... Law is predicting Crowe to fall perhaps as low as the 2nd round due to money demands but he is a top 10 talent who could be frozen out (possibly risking a second year out of his career development) and the Jays can afford to wait him out (especially with Cdn.$' rise where more later would be less later). The same approach could be used to apply to Kyle Gibson's situation with his arm injury. Wait til later to see if he recovers velocity, if he doesn't  a 20th selection next year might be of more value in a stronger field of draftees than this year where some view picks 15 through 50 as a wash .

China fan - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#201034) #

     ....we've got a nice stock of young outfielders with upside in the lower minors (Sierra, Chavez, Wilson, Eiland, Brisker...)

They're in the low minors, and therefore it's very risky to count on any of them.  Yes, one or two of them could turn into decent major-leaguers, but that's not enough talent to consider the OF to be fully stocked, especially for the post-Wells, post-Rios era. 

tercet - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#201035) #
Hey everyone join the bb's irc chat so we can all discuss easier during draft which is live online on mlb.com now

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftlive_app.jsp

HollywoodHartman - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#201036) #
According to DJF (Via the Fan) Litsch is having TJ surgery.
Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#201037) #
Nothing says excitement like a Bud Selid speech promoting MLB Network!

I think the Jays should have a few options at their pick in the first round.  I'm pulling for Chad Jenkins (unless there's an unusual faller like Gibson).

China fan - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#201038) #
Jordan Bastian confirms that Litsch will have TJ surgery.   The operation is likely to be done on Friday.  Another good man down.  Another reminder of the crucial importance of pitching depth.
Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#201041) #
With Arizona taking Pollock at 17 the Jays I guess would be looking at a pticher for sure:
  • Chad Jenkins
  • Chad James
  • Kyle Gibson, if they want to take a flier on a top 10 player with an injury
  • Eric Arnett
  • Shelby Miller
You'd have to hear from the Drs, but I think I'd go with Gibson, and then Jenkins.
Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#201042) #
Chad James off the board to the Marlins at 18, Cardinals on deck.

Scheppers would also be a possibility for the Jays, although if others are scared off I expect they would be too.

ayjackson - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#201043) #
Shelby Miller, Kyle Gibson, and Tanner Sheppers all are top ten talent guys.  One will be available.  Injury concerns over the latter two.
Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#201044) #
Shelby Miller gone to StL

Only college pitchers available to the Jays now.  I'd guess Chad Jenkins now (of which I'd approve!).

Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#201045) #
And the pick is:  Chad Jenkins, RHP, Kennesaw St

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=cjenkins

It's hard not to like the pick when you read the scouting report.  I maybe would have like to see Gibson, but you can't not like the pick.
Thomas - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#201046) #
I probably would have preferred Gibson too, but Jenkins was projected to go in the early teens in several mock drafts, so that's (usually) a positive sign.
ayjackson - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#201047) #

It's a good pick, though there were still a couple sexier ones out there (with more risk).  He's a good bet to sign early as well (I think).  I'm just glad they didn't go college outfielder.  I wasn't overwhelmed by the talent there.

Mylegacy - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#201048) #
Very high on Jenkins - Great pick - we get Gibson with our 37th pick - remember the guy's got a broken arm - he might just still be there.
Thomas - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#201049) #

Interestingly, Sickels took Jenkins at number 10 in his community mock draft, as he was drafting for the Nationals owner who never showed up. Sickels likely took several factors into consideration when making the pick, such as signability (after presumably having to try to sign Strasburg), but it's a sign that Sickels thinks relatively highly of him, as he wouldn't have taken a marginal talent at 10th overall, even if he was pretending he had very little money to spend.

Like last year, it seems the Jays did about the best they could with the spot they had and given how the draft had already gone.

TamRa - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#201050) #
I'm happy with Jenkins. Now I'm hoping that Scheppers drops to 37



timpinder - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#201051) #

Will the Jays have to spend over slot to sign Jenkins?  Were there any better (over slot) talents still available?  I just want to know if Beeston and Ricciardi were serious about drafting over slot or if it was just lip service.

Sneeps - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#201052) #
Count me in as fan of picking Jenkins.

Not only does he throw hard, he's got a great slider and change, has pitchability, a durable body, AND he graduated in the top 5% of his class.  Looks like a solid pick all around.

TamRa - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#201053) #
In the last BA mock, they had Jenkins to the Royals and that was after the blurb said they were likely to "be good boys" when it came to the slot so I assume Jenkins isn't a hard sign.

doesn't mean the Jays wouldn't take a hard sign with the next couple of picks.


TamRa - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#201055) #
Count me in as fan of picking Jenkins.

Not only does he throw hard, he's got a great slider and change, has pitchability, a durable body, AND he graduated in the top 5% of his class.  Looks like a solid pick all around.


The guys on MLB also said he had a "great work ethic" which fits the pattern of the jays favoring "character" guys


Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#201056) #
Thumbs up for the Jenkins pick. 
Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#201059) #
I just want to know if Beeston and Ricciardi were serious about drafting over slot or if it was just lip service.

It's hard to say at this point.  Jenkins shouldn't be a problem to sign (maybe last year's slot instead of the 10% drop), or at least hasn't been mentioned to be one.  But it was an appropriate pick at that point unless the Jays were going to take a risk on a pitcher with an injury.

The sandwich pick could be more telling, particularly if Paxton is still there.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#201061) #
Tim Wheeler gone at 32.  I guess that should have been expected, but I really like him.  Nice swing, and I like the complete centerfielder from Amos Otis on down.
Gerry - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#201065) #

Interesting to read this comment from Lalonde:

Lalonde said the Blue Jays had a pair of eyes on the big righthander for a majority of his starts this year.

"We saw him pitch a whole lot," Lalonde said. "I saw him right before Easter, really really liked what I saw and I think we saw every one of his starts after that with someone. Matt Briggs, our area scout, has seen him pitch multiple times this year. We saw him pitch a lot—especially here down the stretch."

The Jays should really know what they are getting with that level of scouting, and recently they have done a good job in selecting and developing pitchers.

Pistol - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#201066) #
Jays go with James Paxton, LHP, Kentucky

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=paxton

Presumably that's spending over slot - first round projection and a Boras client.

Looks like a heck of a start so far.

CeeBee - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#201067) #
Sweet :) And a BC boy to boot!
Denoit - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#201068) #
Great to see a Canadian picked. Great stuff, just a plus he happens to be Canadian. Like the picks so far, two pitchers that could help this team quickly maybef 2-3 years. (Possibly post Halladay?). Add them to Brett Cecil, Brad Mills and Marc Rzepczynski and the system is full of talented pitchers.
RhyZa - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#201069) #
Sounds like a great start
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#201070) #
The talent base in the organization has gone from grossly unbalanced to ridiculously so.  This can, of course, be fixed by converting pitching talent into position players, but this is an area where Ricciardi has not really shone so far in his tenure.  Pitching is 35-40 per cent of the game, and this organization has at least 70% (and probably 80%) of its expected major league production from pitching.
Gerry - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#201071) #
Definitely a Canadian focus to the draft so far.  The Jays are turning into the Braves of the north. 
RhyZa - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#201072) #
Back to back Canadians - Jake Eliopoulos class, Jake is being recruited by Kentucky, Louisville, Boston College and various other top programs.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#201073) #
Anybody seen Eliopoulos at Christie Pits or elsewhere? 
StephenT - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#201074) #
It was nice to see Pat Hentgen making the Jays' 2nd round pick at the draft studio (on http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftlive_app.jsp ).  I didn't see the first round picks.  Looks like the Jays have two more picks coming up in the next few minutes.
Denoit - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#201075) #
To the comment about the unbalance between pitching and hitting in the system. I dont think its that far of a unbalance. Pitchers tend to get injured much more frequently than position players so you need extra depth. The Jays have young talent its just a long ways away. Guys like Justin Jackson, Moises Sierra, Johermyn Chavez, Kenny Wilson, David Cooper, Kevin Ahrens (although he is a big ? and so are some of the other guys being so young). Not to mention Snider, and Arencibia. They have some young guys in the big leagues too with Hill, and Lind. To say they lack depth at position spots isnt really true. I think they are getting strong right through the entire system, pitching and position players.
damos - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#201076) #
I keep waiting to see when Max Stassi's gonna get picked. 
He seems to have fallen a fair bit.

ayjackson - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#201077) #
Consecutive HS pitching.
damos - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#201078) #
Jays pick HS RHP Jake Barrett with the 99th pick.
6'4", 230 lbs. 

Here's some notes via ESPN's Draft Tracker:
-Fastball touches 94, said to have a power curve & a splitter.
-Mechanics may need some work & command has improved. 

PeteMoss - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#201079) #
Obviously I don't know much about any of these guys, but I can say the Jays as an organization have gotten taller so far this draft.  All these guys picked so far are 6'3 and up. 
Gerry - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#201080) #

The biggest jump in the minor leagues is getting to AA, aside of the jump to the big leagues.  The Jays have a number of youngsters in Dunedin and it is not definite that the young guys will move up, they might need another half season in Dunedin.  That might in turn create a log jam in Lansing if guys like Pastornicky and Sobolewski are blocked by Jackson and Ahrens.

The Jays appear to have good success in developing pitchers.  If this is an organizational strength then picking pitchers makes sense.

In any event the Jays are hopefully taking the best available through round 5.  Then you can look to fill out the rosters.

tstaddon - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#201081) #
Granted, it was a group mock, but the gang over at Sickels' site picked each of the Jays' selections today in the top 76 players. Sounds like the last two may need a little more money than average to keep out of college; so, coupled with the expected $ needed to grab Paxton, it appears the Jays are using their savings from free agency in this year's draft. Of course, it helps that Jenkins will likely come on board for slot.

All told, it looks like a good first day!
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#201082) #
Pastornicky has really picked up the pace over the last 6 weeks.  He's doing everything except hitting for power.  He's 19 in the Midwest League and probably 3 years away.  Jackson is no closer, despite being in the FSL. 



Mylegacy - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#201083) #
Our 3rd  round - from the Yanks for AJ - is Jake Marisnick a HS kid who's 6'4" 200, R/R, plays OF and of whom BA says: "One of the best athletes in the class would go higher if he could hit."

"IF HE COULD HIT." - OUCH - they sure know how to insult a guy!

So we've two lefties, two righties and a guy that can't hit. Funny-ly, I'm satisfied. Jenkins, Paxton and Barrett are particularily impressive. Godd job JP - AND - the rest of your scouts etal.

ayjackson - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#201084) #
If you like upside, you have to like this draft.  Hopefully JP can do a good job of getting these guys signed and into camp.  Paxton/Boras probably have other ideas.
Chris DH - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#201086) #

J is for Jays i guess.

I was hoping for at least one offensive player in the first few rounds - a more balanced approach like 2007.  Jays would seem to have an astonishing group of talented pitchers now.  It will be interesting to see how things play out...

 

metafour - Tuesday, June 09 2009 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#201087) #
Marisnick is a super high upside guy, the "cant hit" thing is a bit of stretch, he needs work, but he was #71 on BA's top 200 for a reason.

Its become painfully obvious that we have become enamored with ATHLETES in the outfield.


#71 JAKE MARISNICK, OF, RIVERSIDE (CALIF.) POLY HS
A tall, lanky and projectable 6-foot-4 outfielder, Marisnick's build and raw tools remind scouts of Jeff Francoeur and Dale Murphy. He's one of the best athletes in this draft class and has run a 6.7-second 60-yard dash with a vertical jump of nearly 36 inches (best among those tested at the Area Code Games). He also has a powerful throwing arm, which he shows off in pregame warm-ups. A center fielder in high school, Marisnick projects as a corner outfielder as he fills out. Scouts are split on his future hitting ability. Some are confident he will produce, while others point to mechanical concerns. He's well balanced throughout his swing, and his stride is short and closed. However, a weak beginning hand position sabotaged Marisnick early in the season, keeping him from driving the ball with authority. His frame and athletic skills make him one of the most appealing outfield prospects in the nation, but any club selecting him early will have to be convinced of his hitting potential.


christaylor - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:34 AM EDT (#201093) #
This is the kiss of death to say this but there's something in Jenkins' delivery that reminds me of our current ace and the comments about his ability to get GB and the Ks all the more.

As soon as I watched the video of the kid, I was happy with the pick. He should come fast too (kick, knock on, do whatever to wood).
christaylor - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:50 AM EDT (#201095) #
How far JP and the org has come from the Russ Adams' of the world to super tools-y high-schoolers such as Marisnick (although to be fair this has been happening for a few years now, I just thought I'd join in the chorus of those who point it out each year).

Another reason for me to wish WWJP was still around: it'd be nice to quote himself to himself on drafting college guys. I suspect the answer that the Jays are a different org now, but drafting HS pitchers and Boras clients (although to be fair I don't think JP has ever said he wouldn't draft a Boras client) that's got to constitute a 180. Personally, to be fair, I think it is his experience as a GM that has lead him down this road - happens all the time, those new in their jobs, youth, often ideology dominates; then when there's experience to fall back, pragmatism wins the day.

I wonder if JP will be around to see Jenkins' (or for that matter Marisnick) make the majors. The team needs a president first and I think if they bring in a baseball guy, JP goes, a business guy OTOH might decide to leave the baseball ops well enough alone.
TamRa - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:05 AM EDT (#201098) #
I don't know what source Winer quoted for his blog but the more I hear about these guys (except Eliopoulus who I can't seem to find a lot on) the better i like this haul.

westcoast dude - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:41 AM EDT (#201100) #
I'm going to beat Mick to this one: Marisnick looks  like a Roger Maris clone.  If he turns out anything like Dale Murphy then we can be forever grateful to whatshisname.  Add Paxton and this is freakin' incredible.  Hats off to JP and crew.
China fan - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 04:06 AM EDT (#201101) #
I wonder if the Jays are gambling that Paxton will have a sentimental attachment to Canada's team, and that this might counter-balance the Boras factor.  Of course Boras will be urging Paxton not to give any "home-country discount" to the Jays, but maybe the Jays brass have a hunch that Paxton won't be able to reject a decent offer from the Jays.   Does anyone know if this is the first time in history that the Jays have drafted a Boras client?  How historic of a moment is this?
Ron - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 04:14 AM EDT (#201102) #
Does anyone know if this is the first time in history that the Jays have drafted a Boras client?

I believe the last Boras client the Jays drafted before Paxton was Robbie Alomar.
Sano - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 06:00 AM EDT (#201103) #
Hey add me to the people who are pretty excited about this draft haul.  Jenkins and Paxton in the same draft is pretty great considering that many of the mocks were seeing us take one or the other.

Don't know if anyone else has seen this but Jacob Marisnick has been tweeting on the MLB's Draft-tracker.  Here's some of his tweets.

"Wow, it's over!!! I'm a Blue Jay. I held strong to my number. I had to fall to get it. Thanks for all the support"

"My advisor said Toronto is a first class organization from top to bottom. I'm so pumped. Going to be the best prospect they have!"

"I'm so pumped to be a Blue Jay. I know we can get a Championship! Greg Myers, the former Blue Jays catcher was my H.S. coach."

"Can't wait to get to the mall and get a Blue Jays hat.."

Great to see that he's so pumped to be a Jay and also that some of the old Jays are saying good things about the organization (Myers).  Don't know that he's going to be our best prospect off the bat, but it's good to see some exuberance!

Magpie - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 07:13 AM EDT (#201105) #
I believe the last Boras client the Jays drafted before Paxton was Robbie Alomar.

You must mean someone else, right?
greenfrog - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 08:25 AM EDT (#201106) #
Looks like day one of the draft was good to the Jays. Nice job by LaCava, Lalonde, and the rest of the front office (and a welcome break from the penny-pinching draft days of yore). JP may eventually need to deal a couple of arms for hitting, but at the moment, the Jays seem to need all the pitching they have.
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 08:32 AM EDT (#201107) #
I wonder if the Jays are gambling that Paxton will have a sentimental attachment to Canada's team, and that this might counter-balance the Boras factor. 

I can't imagine that factored into their thinking at all.  If you're taking a Boras guy you pretty much know what you'll have to pay to sign him.  If they drafted him thinking he'll take a discount they'll see him pitch again at Kentucky next year.

Does anyone know if this is the first time in history that the Jays have drafted a Boras client?

I think it's the first Boras client drafted since JP's been the general manager.
ayjackson - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#201108) #

"Wow, it's over!!! I'm a Blue Jay. I held strong to my number. I had to fall to get it. Thanks for all the support"

From this tweet, it sounds like the Jays are going over slot and have agreed a price for Jake#3.

Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 09:30 AM EDT (#201109) #
I've got to think the Jays know Boras' price for Paxton and are willing to pay it, give or take a bit of negotiation. I can't imagine they'd risk drafting a player they didn't think they could sign, and they must know Boras doesn't bluff.
MatO - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#201110) #
I think the Boras issue had less to do with JP and more to do with Godfrey.  It's Beeston who's signalled a change in direction.
Ducey - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#201111) #

 If they drafted him thinking he'll take a discount they'll see him pitch again at Kentucky next year.

I think by "discount" he meant discount for a Boras client - which is still above slot.  Unreasonable as opposed to outlandish.

TamRa - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#201114) #
"Can't wait to get to the mall and get a Blue Jays hat.."

Can we please Fed Ex this kid a set of gear?

;)


Brent S - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#201115) #

I wonder if this new risk taking in the draft extends to Latin America. Traditionally, the Jays were a powerhouse LA recruiter under Beeston, mainly in the Dominican Republic.

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Paddy has been given the green light to look at A+ signings this July.

brent - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#201116) #
I am not against the Jays' picks, but I am disappointed that the overall draft was pitching heavy this year. I was really hoping for some more position players. I assume there will be a rush in the next few rounds for toolsy high school hitters by everyone.
ayjackson - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#201117) #

An article from a couple a weeks ago on Baseball America said that the Jays are one of the teams that seem more agressive in Latin America than in previous years.

 

Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#201119) #
They've been spending more in Latin America for a few years, now - Balbino Fuenmayor and Gustavo Pierre both got pretty big money. They're starting to see some results - Sierra, Alvarez, and Chavez, to name a few.
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#201120) #
Kind of interesting that the 2 players that appear to be going to be signing for more than slot are both picks obtained from Burnett signing with the Yankees.
Wildrose - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#201121) #
I believe the last Boras client the Jays drafted before Paxton was Robbie Alomar

I believe this stems from this article,

Paxton is represented by Scott Boras and will be the Jays' first Boras client since Robbie Alomar.

This isn't really true however, Scott Schoenenweis is a Boras player.

At any rate, thumbs up for the focus on Canadian talent as I believe this region  has been under-scouted and I've always felt the Jays should  market  themselves more as " Canada's " team. You wonder if it'll stop here, this buy Canadian proviso. Three prominent Canadian players hit the free agent corral this coming fall, Bay, Bedard and Harden. This perception that it's only " Toronto's team ", seems   to be something Beeston wants to change
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lexomatic - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#201124) #
brent: i'm not at all disappointed. this draft was supposed to be deep in pitching and somewhat weak in hitting. drafting more position players so far would be potentially drafting for need and not the best players available.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#201125) #
Brad Wilkerson's a Boras client, too.
metafour - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:10 PM EDT (#201126) #
"The top shortstop this year—and to some, the No. 1 overall available prospect—is Miguel Sano from San Pedro de Macrois in the Dominican Republic. Sano, who at 16 has a strong and projectable 6-foot-3, 190-pound frame, already showing advanced bat speed and power for his age. The Pirates are widely known to be among the top teams with interest in Sano, who is expected to compete with Dominican outfielder Wagner Mateo and Dominican catcher Gary Sanchez for the top bonus on July 2, when 16-year-old international prospects become eligible to sign.

The latest word from scouts is that their bonuses could be roughly around the $3 million mark, with the Yankees strongly linked to Sanchez and the Cardinals connected to Mateo. The Angels had been linked to Sanchez and were among the teams that appeared to be more aggressive in Latin America this year—along with the Blue Jays, Pirates, Rays and Twins, among others—but Ken Rosenthal has reported that the Angels on June 1 fired international scouting director Clay Daniel, who had been in his position since 2000."
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#201127) #
Jays start day 2 with Ryan Goins.  Don't know much about him, but he has a nice batting line:  http://www.boydsworld.com/cgi/hitters.pl?player=Ryan+Goins&style=Contains&submit=Search&team=any
metafour - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#201128) #
Ryan Goins, SS Dallas Baptist University

A middle infielder from a mini baseball factory, Goins has good raw power, as he knocked 22 home runs and posted a .373 park adjusted isolated power rating. Goins is one of the few college players in this draft who should be able to play up the middle and has solid upside as a hitter. Goins hit .371/.478/.765 with 46 walks and just 36 strikeouts in a breakout year. In 2008 as a sophomore Goins still showed good power, but had trouble controlling the strike zone (7.5% BB and 17.9% K). If the improved patience and contact ability he showed all year are for real, he could be one of the better shortstop prospects in the game in short order. Defensively, Goins has a good chance of staying at short with the backup plan being a move to second where his range would be well above-average. Goins could go in the 5th-7th round area, and might make some team very happy.
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#201129) #
Another good hitting college middle infielder, this one in round 5:  Ryan Schimpf, 2B, LSU.

They're moving quick now - no longer than 30 seconds between picks!

budgell - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#201130) #
Jenkins on The Fan
metafour - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#201131) #
Made BA's Top 200:

#144 RYAN SCHIMPF, 2B/OF, LOUISIANA STATE

No one is projecting Schimpf as a future American League MVP, but his game is reminiscent of Dustin Pedroia's. Schimpf is a diminutive (listed at 5-foot-9, 181 pounds) second baseman who's a force at the plate. Schimpf would have led the Valley League in batting (.392) and slugging (.763) last summer if he hadn't fell short of qualifying because he arrived late from the College World Series, and he led Louisiana State with 17 homers entering NCAA regional play. Schimpf hits lefthanded and has a shorter stroke than Pedroia's, and uses excellent pitch recognition and quick wrists to repeatedly square up balls on the barrel of his bat. He's an aggressive hitter yet has walked (36) more than he has struck out (34) this spring. Schimpf has average speed and good instincts on the bases. He's a versatile defender who began this season at second base before shifting to the outfield so the Tigers could get freshman shortstop Austin Nola's glove into the lineup. Schimpf's bat profiles much better at second base and will be able to play there in pro ball. He's an adequate defender there, reliable if not spectacular. He has fringy arm strength and needs to work on his double-play pivot. Schimpf figures to get drafted between the fourth and seventh round.
metafour - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#201132) #
6th Round, HS RF Kristopher Hobson...dad was a former ML player:

Old Perfect Game profile:

Kristopher Hobson is a 2009 1B/P/OF with a 6'3'', 210 lb. frame from Bakersfield, CA who attends Stockdale. Tall athletic build, highest level player, big time two-way potential, very good hitting approach, stays inside the ball, lots of pop in bat, easy raw power, ball jumps off bat, very good load and leverage, drove ball 410 in game, highest-level hitting prospect, short arm action on the mound, very quick arm, tight breaking 2 to 8 curveball, good life to fastball, ball jumps out of hand, stays down in the zone, bulldog mentality, huge upside, potential early round pick on the mound and at the plate.

Dewey - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#201133) #
An interesting thread.  Even the congenital nay-sayers seem grudgingly content with JP and his helpers this time!  I'm puzzled by some of the terminology here though.  What exactly is “a *projectable* [6-foot-3, 190-pound] frame”?   And when a pitcher is said to have “pitchability”, what does that mean? Anything?

Why does Bob Elliott still have a job, by the way?  And, while we're at it, who cleft the devil's foot?
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#201134) #
Jays take a college reliever, Brian Slover, out of Cal St Northridge in round 8.
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#201135) #
6th Round, HS RF Kristopher Hobson...dad was a former ML player:

Butch Hobson, also a ML manager.
Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#201136) #
Lefty reliever in round 9, Aaron Loup.  HR rate is a little high, but strong K/BB and K/9 ratios.
Thomas - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#201138) #
Bryan Smith of Baseball Prospectus rates Ryan Schimpf as one of the best picks of the fifth round. He says he's a plus defender and a hitter without any glaring weakness.
metafour - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#201139) #
C/IF Yan Gomes, Barry U in the 10th round:


Barry University boasts one of the league’s best prospects in third baseman Yan Gomes (PGX#316), a transfer from the University of Tennessee.  He’s hitting .406-18-80 with a .482 OBP in 187 at-bats.  I made the trip to see him on Friday night (April 24th, 2009) against the University of Tampa.

From my eyes, I estimated Gomes to be 6-0, 190.  He’s solidly built with a little thickness in the hips.  Gomes has broad but sloped shoulders that look the part of a professional hitter.

During batting practice, Gomes stood in an open crouch and took a light load, keeping his hands low throughout.  He generated 40/50 bat-speed, 55 line-drive power, and 45 raw power.  There is a little bit of extra length to his swing (compared to an average MLB hitter).  He showed the ability to turn on an inside fastball and also to flick outside pitches the other way.

For the game, Gomes would go 2-4 with two singles in Barry’s 7-5 defeat of Tampa.  In order, Gomes flew out to right field slowing his bat to hit a curveball; hit a hard opposite field single to right on an outside fastball; a groundball single through the hole at short; a flyout to center field.  Gomes didn’t take many pitches in his four appearances.

Defensively, Gomes made four plays without any problem.  He handled a hard one-hopper and made the forceout at third on the first one.

I think Gomes has the tools to become an average third baseman but I can see where he may struggle at the get-go.  He doesn’t have a very good ready position; Gomes is upright and his glove is also up.  He has a tendency to hop with the pitch, which makes his first step slow.

I remember a scouting director telling me that getting rid of the pre-pitch hop made all the difference in the world for Robin Ventura.  The Chicago White Sox 1st-round pick out of Oklahoma State in 1988, Ventura was a tremendous pure hitting prospect whom most scouts graded out as a poor defender.  They believed he would have to move across the infield and work hard to become even adequate at first base.

Strangely enough, Ventura would go on to win five gold gloves at third base in the big leagues.  This former scouting director told me the White Sox corrected the hop early in the minors and his first step improved remarkably.

(Also oddly enough, Ventura would go on to a career batting average of “only” .267.  Most scouts envisioned a bad-defense, high-average, “not much power” guy and he turned into a 294 homerun slugger with five gold gloves.)

I won’t predict that kind of path for Gomes, but I do think he has solid-average hands and the quick transfers to become a major league average defender at the hot corner.  His range is below-average now, but with the said improvements I can see it becoming average.

While I didn’t get any good running times on Gomes (both singles were turns where he didn’t run them out), it was clear from watching his stride that he’s well below-average.  I would say he’s a 35 runner.

The Brazilian-born Gomes played at several Perfect Game events (while attending Miami Southridge High School) and our scouts were always impressed with him as a hitter, especially at the 2005 Perfect Game National Showcase.  Gomes was a catcher at the time and had a best pop-time of 1.83 seconds.  I wonder if he can still catch, if that would be an option at least for utility purposes in pro ball.  Gomes also ran a laser-timed 6.92 60 yard-dash at the 2005 National, but that speed has diminished since in the last four years.

Gomes isn’t going to be a high draft, but first ten rounds is reasonable.  He has a chance to hit and play several positions.  In addition to third base and maybe catcher, Gomes is potentially a first and second baseman.



Pistol - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#201140) #
Bryan Smith of Baseball Prospectus rates Ryan Schimpf as one of the best picks of the fifth round. He says he's a plus defender and a hitter without any glaring weakness.

I interpreted that differently.  He wrote that he was a 'sound' defender, which I think means he gets what is hit to him, but isn't the next Aaron Hill defensively.
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#201142) #
Dewey, you asked what a 'projectable frame' means.  The reference was to Sano, who is  (apparently) 6'3", 190 lbs at age 16.  Here's a picture of him, and a story.  Projectable means that his frame will easily support a 200 lb muscled body when he's 22.  I've got to say though that he looks closer to 26 than to 16 in the picture.  I guess that they (pictures) can deceive.
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#201143) #
Ack, typo.  That should read 220 lbs.
Thomas - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#201144) #
I interpreted that differently. He wrote that he was a 'sound' defender, which I think means he gets what is hit to him, but isn't the next Aaron Hill defensively.

I reread the comment and I think your interpretation is correct. However, it still sounds like a very solid pick.

Thomas - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#201146) #
Toronto's 12th round pick is Bryson Namba, a 3B from Pearl City HS in Hawaii. He has gap power and a strong arm and is planning to attend Southern Nevada Community College if he doesn't sign.
Thomas - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#201148) #
In the 17th round the Jays took Stephen Turnbull, a righthander from the University of Iowa. Turnbull follows David Sterner, a fellow righty from St. Louis University in the 16th round.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#201149) #
Late gold?

In the 14th round the Jays took Lance Durham - son of Leon. He's 5' 10.5" 220 pounds OR 233 pounds (depends which site you're on) he's a first baseman AND he beat Kevin Youkilis' hitting record for the Cincinnati Bears. Could do worse in the 15th round n'est pas?

metafour - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#201151) #
Huge pick in the 18th Round:

RHP Robert (Daniel) Webb...top HS pitcher in last year's draft, didn't sign and ended up at JUCO where he struggled.  Still has top stuff if we can get him signed.

Daniel Webb, rhp, Northwest Florida State JC
Webb has been in a bit of a tailspin since late last spring.Talent-wise, he figured to be drafted in the first few rounds of lastyear's draft our of Heath High in Paducah, Ky. If he didn't sign, hewould attend the in-state Kentucky where he would pitch for theWildcats. The 6-foot-3, 205-pounder flashed some of the best stuff inthe state last year, consistently working at 90-93 mph and touching 96.He fell to the 12th round of the draft to the Diamondbacks and when hefailed to qualify academically to play at Kentucky, he lost negotiatingleverage. The sides did not reach an agreement and Webb ended up atNorthwest Florida State (formerly Okaloosa-Walton), where he's beenpitching for the Raiders. Through 40 innings this season, Webb is 2-1,4.46 with 32 strikeouts and 22 walks. He's still showing good stuff,but needs to harness his control if he's going to pitch his way backinto the first few rounds. A National League area scout said Webb'sinconsistency stems from the fact that he tends to rush through hisdelivery when he doesn't feel he has his best stuff.


Mike Green - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#201153) #
Lance Durham - son of Leon. He's 5' 10.5" 220 pounds OR 233 pounds

Does that make him a King of Leon?  The "Baby Bull" has already been taken. 
Mylegacy - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#201154) #
More on Daniel Webb - BA lists him the NUMBER 1 PROSPECT in it's 2009 Junior College Preview.

They say: "Northwest Florida State has one of the nation's top freshmen in any classification with the addition of RHP Daniel Webb, an unsigned 12th-round pick of the Diamondbacks. Webb ranked as the No. 48 prospect for the 2008 draft but his stock fell due to his bonus demands, and he then went to junior college instead of following through on his commitment to Kentucky."

While he didn't have a great year his problems look "coachable" unless they are between the ears.

damos - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#201155) #
Sez Keith Law:

"Other good drafts, focusing mostly on the top few rounds where odds are kids will sign: Texas, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Toronto, Colorado (if they sign Matzek), San Francisco."

Nice. 

Dewey - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#201156) #
Thank you, Mike.  I had no idea.  A frame that will fill out.  O.K.  (I was largely being snarky--an old failing, brought on this time by three or four hopeless computer-support reps.  Sorry.)
Gerry - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#201159) #

The draft for day 2 is done and the Jays may not take many players on day 3.  The Jays 32 picks so far can be broken down as follows:

Pitchers - 19 (LHP - 5; RHP - 14)

C - 2

1B - 1

2B - 1

SS - 4

3B - 1

OF - 4

Date of births for the draftees are:

1985 - 1

1986 - 6

1987 - 10

1988 - 5

1989 - 2

1990 - 2

1991 - 6

The 1990 and 1991 picks are generally high school players whereas the 1985 to 1988 picks are college juniors and seniors.

Mike Green - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#201164) #
Jenkins and Schimpf are my favourite picks.  It looks like Schimpf will hit enough to be a good left-fielder or super-utility player, regardless whether his pivot develops.  The odds are that one of Schimpf and Tolisano will be able to play second base adequately in a few years, allowing Aaron Hill to slide over to third in his early 30s if Ahrens does not develop.


brent - Wednesday, June 10 2009 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#201167) #
I am not against the Jays' picks, but I am disappointed that the overall draft was pitching heavy this year. I was really hoping for some more position players. I assume there will be a rush in the next few rounds for toolsy high school hitters by everyone.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   brent: i'm not at all disappointed. this draft was supposed to be deep in pitching and somewhat weak in hitting. drafting more position players so far would be potentially drafting for need and not the best players available.

Lexomatic- you didn't read my comment carefully enough. I said the overall draft was pitching heavy this year and was disappointed about that. I also said I wasn't against the Jays'  picks.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/drafttracker.jsp?p=0&s=100&sc=pick_number&so=ascending&st=number&ft=TM&fv=tor

Here are all the Jays picks. The video comes in handy during the dark days of the offseason to build a little excitement.

Pistol - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 08:54 AM EDT (#201199) #
Sano - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 09:27 AM EDT (#201201) #
Have there been any reviews of drafts posted yet?  I don't have access to BA's Insider stuff so if anybody could give the Coles notes version it would be much appreciated.
Sano - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 09:35 AM EDT (#201202) #
One more thing, for myself the only strange pick was Eliopoulos.  There does not seem to be much on him, anyone else a bit surprised by that pick?
Matthew E - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#201203) #
I hope David Sever (16th round pick) makes it to the major leagues and gets to pitch to David Eckstein.
Thomas - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#201208) #
One more thing, for myself the only strange pick was Eliopoulos.  There does not seem to be much on him, anyone else a bit surprised by that pick?

I agree that there does seem to be less info on him than many other second round picks, but it doesn't seem like an overdraft. No draft review I've ready has heavily criticized the pick and Keith Law was on the FAN yesterday and said Eliopoulos was had very "appropriate" talent for where he was selected.
Sano - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#201209) #
What reviews have you read so far on the Jays draft?  Care to share any links?

Re: Elipoulos, the only scouting report I've read is the one linked at the top of this thread which makes it sounds like his stuff is pretty average (mid to high 80s fastball, developing curve and change).  Seems like we picked him more for his 'projectability.' I do realise that there's already been a big discussion on this topic in this thread.  Just seems like an odd pick so high for a player that hasn't really 'shown' much yet.  I mean compare Eliopoulos with Barrett, and you see that Barrett has won accolades already and his fastball is much harder (94).  Seems like an odd pick to me.
Gerry - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#201210) #

I think projectability for pitchers has a lot to do with body size.  If an 18 year old pitcher is 6'3" and 220 solid pounds the feeling is that his body has developed to most of its potential and future growth will be in smaller increments.   But if you have a kid who is 6'3" and 180 pounds a scout might look at him and say if he can add 20-30 pounds of muscle he can add 4-5 mph to his fastball.  If he can grow another inch or two he can get more speed and more angle on his deliveries.  That's why the scouts do the job they do, they need to understand different body types and what to expect of a kid over the next 3-4 years of body development.  If you read about the old time scouts they would meet the family, see the size of the parents and older siblings, and try to use that as a guide to how you would expect this prospect to develop physically.  I asume today's scouts do something similar.

Remember there are a lot of pitchers, with Steven Strasburg as example #1, who were not drafted out of high school.  Brad Mills was another who didn't even get a scholarship offer.  Some kids develop later than others and you have to trust that the scouting department know what they are doing. 

Thomas - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#201212) #
What reviews have you read so far on the Jays draft?  Care to share any links?

I don't have them handy and am about to leave the house, so I can't share any specific links.

However, I'm not talking so much about Jays-specific draft reviews as general content on the draft. Sites like Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus and several others have had draft chats and other review articles and more will undoubtedly be online in the coming days. So far, I haven't read anything that criticizes the Eliopoulos pick (nor anything that overtly praises it) in the draft chatter. Often times comments will make it pretty clear who analysts particularly like or don't like and the fact Eliopoulos's name hasn't come up is what leads me to believe that most don't consider it an overdraft.
metafour - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#201217) #
Eliopoulos had a lot of late helium that pushed his stock into a solid 2nd-3rd round pick.  He's done well in pre-draft All-Star events with the Canadian National Jr. team and such.

PerfectGame had him ranked #75 on their Top 250...and we drafted him 68th so we took him right around where they expected him to go.  Here is PG's scouting report:


SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1): The slender Eliopoulos is the top-ranked Canadian high-school player in the 2009 draft class. Though he doesn't have as high a profile as three other Canadian lefthanded pitchers of note-Adam Loewen, the fourth pick in the 2002 draft; James Paxton, a University of Kentucky product who has surged to the forefront among Canadians for the 2009 draft; and promising Evan Grills, a potential first-rounder in 2010-Eliopoulos has nonetheless held off all challengers as Canada's best prep player. Though he does not play in a formal high-school program in his native Ontario, he has received plenty of exposure by playing with Team Canada's junior-national team, for his local Brantford Red Sox club team, and by attending numerous showcase events in the United States. Eliopulos throws from a high three-quarters release point with a fast, full arm circle and produces a fastball that is generally in the 88-90 mph range, but touched 91 mph last October at the World Wood Bat Association fall championship in Jupiter, Fla. His velocity could spike as he fills out his thin frame. Eliopoulos also throws an upper-70s curveball that shows promise, and he also has a feel for a changeup. Eliopoulos' father, Jim, who has coached him extensively through his high-school years, played minor league ball in the Toronto Blue Jays organization, so he comes from a baseball-oriented background.-DAVID RAWNSLEY

UPDATE
(5/15): Though he doesn't compete in a formal high-school program, Eliopoulos got more exposure this spring for the draft than most U.S.-based prep players. He was seen extensively locally, as a member of Team Canada's junior-national team in Florida in March and was even picked up by the Langley Blaze, a British Columbia-based youth power, for that team's trek to Arizona at the hub of major-league spring training, when scouts were plentiful. Though he was out of radar for many cross-checkers on Team Canada's annual junket to the Dominican Republic from May 20-29, he was expected to face meaningful competition in his final tune-up for the draft-facing both teams in the Rookie-level Dominican Summer League and a collection of talented free agents that are expected to be among the elite players from that nation who will be eligible to sign when the international free-agent signing period begins on July 2. By all accounts, Eliopoulos marginally improved his draft worth this spring and slots in nicely as a second- or third-rounder. Though his talent wouldn't stand out in a talent-rich state like California as it does readily in Canada, his fastball was a steady 88-90 mph, touching 91. His command of the pitch was generally better this spring, but the quality of his secondary pitches still need work-even as his primary breaking ball became more of a true slider this spring as opposed to the spike curve he threw previously. But it was pretty clear that Eliopoulos crossed the line this spring, from being mostly thrower to mostly pitcher.-ALLAN SIMPSON

Wildrose - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#201218) #
Re: Elipoulos, the only scouting report I've read is the one linked at the top of this thread which makes it sounds like his stuff is pretty average (mid to high 80s fastball, developing curve and change).  Seems like we picked him more for his 'projectability.

Here's a little blurb on him. Law had him ranked at spot 72.
Wildrose - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#201220) #
Lots more stuff on the two  Blue Jay Canucks drafted in the top rounds.
Gerry - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#201227) #
Surprisingly the Jays on day three of the draft have kept on picking through round 46 now.  The last 8 picks have been high school and junior college picks, I assume the Jays will follow those guys over the summer and see if they can, or want to, sign them before August 15th.
China fan - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#201228) #
Zachary Outman is an awesome name for a pitcher.  He was the 28th-round pick of the Jays.  His brother, Josh, rode that excellent surname to two wins over the Jays already this year.
China fan - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#201229) #

Slight correction -- Josh Outman pitched twice against the Jays this year (for the A's) but did not pick up the win in those games.

Jdog - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#201230) #
The Jays selected 2 players from BA's list of best remaining players available at the start of day 3. Canadian pitcher Brandon Kaye from Douglas BC and Princeton C Jack Murphy.

Also Brad Arnsbergs son was drafted by the Red Sox.

BA link http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1212#more-1212



Sneeps - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#201231) #
John Sickles on the Blue Jays draft:

Toronto: I like Chad Jenkins a lot at 20th overall, and think that's a solid choice for the Jays. James Paxton in the supplemental round is a potential bargain, provided he can get his gopher ball tendencies under control, giving them two of the top college arms available this year. Jake Eliopoulos in the second round is probably an overdraft, but I can understand it since he's a Canadian guy. The high school southpaw will need plenty of time, but is a nice mixture with the college guys at the top. I also love Jake  Barrett in the third round, a high school pitcher from Arizona who throws hard and has solid command. Also in the third round was Jake Marisnick, tools outfielder who was rated as a supplemental talent by some teams but has some questions about his bat. Fourth round pick Ryan Goins, SS from Dallas Baptist, and fifth round pick Ryan Schimpf, 2B from LSU, have excellent college statistics and can hit, but may have to move to other positions. A mixture of college, JC, and high schoolers fill out the rest of the class. I like the mixture of college and high school guys at the top, tools and polish. Looks like a good class to me

http://www.minorleagueball.com/

vw_fan17 - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#201232) #
I hope David Sever (16th round pick) makes it to the major leagues and gets to pitch to David Eckstein.

I'm sure there's a pun in there somewhere, or something, but I just don't see it..
Mike Green - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#201233) #
In order to respect copyright, it is better to paraphrase comments made at another website rather than cutting and pasting them in.  Obviously, linking is the best but due to technical difficulties, it takes a bit of work now (pasting the URL into the href bracketted areas using the Plain Text rather than HTML Formatted view).
Sano - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#201234) #
I sure hope that Sickels isn't right and that the Jays didn't draft Jake#1 just because he's a Canuck.  Doesn't sound like he's that much of an overdraft which makes me hopeful.
metafour - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#201235) #
I sure hope that Sickels isn't right and that the Jays didn't draft Jake#1 just because he's a Canuck.  Doesn't sound like he's that much of an overdraft which makes me hopeful.


He's not an overdraft.  Sickels is a great resource, but he's a Minor Leagues guy who has no secret draft/scouting sources.  His draft evaluation is basically watching videos online and reading scouting reports, which is what anyone who follows the draft can/will do.  The Canadian HS kids are hard to track, and Sickels obviously didn't catch that Eliop had some pretty strong results late which pushed him into 2nd/3rd round range.  Both PerfectGame and Keith Law had him in the #70-75 range overall on their big boards, and we took him 68th.  BA had him lower but then again BA releases their Top 200 pretty early and often misses out on the late risers/fallers.
ayjackson - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#201236) #
BA did list Eliopolis under one of their Helium updates as the draft drew closer - meaning he was getting a lot of buzz amongst scouts.
Mylegacy - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#201239) #
How Mylegacy sees our first 10 draftees when compared to existing or very recent Jays:

Chad Jenkins is: a right handed Brett Cecil. That's very good news!
James Paxton is: AJ, great stuff BUT with EVEN less control and command. High risk - high reward.
Jake Eliopoulos is: once he grows up - Tallet without the facial hair.
Jake Barrett is: Dustin McGowan - and THAT is GOOD news!
Jake Marisnick is: Markus Brisker - except that apparently Jake has a god complex.
Ryan Goins is : Scott Campbell.
Ryan Schimpf is Brad Emaus - in other words Scott Campbell with a bit more pop.
Kristopher Hobson is: Jason Lane.
Egan Smith is: Bob File - but not quite as good as Bob was.

Anyone got any other ideas?
Brian Slover is: Robert Ray.

Sano - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#201240) #
I suppose most of these guys will be headed to Auburn when their season starts?  When does their season start by the way?
Matthew E - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#201243) #
vwfan17: A couple of years ago there was a cheesebag action movie called Ballistic: Ecks Vs. Sever.
ayjackson - Thursday, June 11 2009 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#201250) #

Sano, most of the high schoolers would go to the Gulf Coast League and the JuCo's and Collegians will go to Auburn.  That said, we only have one Dominican team this year, which may mean a lot of teenagers in extended spring training.  It may bump some guys up to Auburn.

Auburn's season starts on June 20.

vw_fan17 - Friday, June 12 2009 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#201275) #
vwfan17: A couple of years ago there was a cheesebag action movie called Ballistic: Ecks Vs. Sever.

Thanks, Matthew E. After reading what you wrote, the title was vaguely familiar. Looking it up, I realized it's because it had Lucy Liu in it :-)
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