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With all the recent talk of trading Roy Halladay and retooling I have two questions rolling around in my head.  First, if the Jays are to begin retooling who can they count on being ready to help the big club in 2010?  And secondly, with all the promotions to the big league team this season, who is the Jays best prospect who has not yet appeared in the big leagues?


Let's have a look at the farm system by position.

Catcher

JP Arencibia was supposed to be the catcher of the future, to be up with the Jays by now for a half-season tutorial, and to be entrenched in the job for 2010.  Well something funny happened on the way to the Dome, he hasn't hit in 2009 like he did in 2008.  And his numbers have not improved month by month through 2009.  As an aside Arencibia has hit eight home runs this season, none in April, none in June, all eight in May.  Arencibia was known as a free swinger but in 2008 he was able to make contact.  Now that the AAA pitchers know how to pitch him he is not putting quality at-bats together.  He can improve, and the Jays have talked with him about selectivity at the plate, but so far the lessons are not learned.  Arencibia is the top Jays prospect from the 2008/9 off-season prospect rankings not to have appeared in the major leagues but at this time that ranking is in jeopardy.  However it is not unreasonable for the Jays to say, if they are rebuilding, that they will throw Arencibia into the fire and hope he learns on the job in 2010.

Brian Jeroloman is another player who has not shown a big improvement in 2009.  Jeroloman is back in AA and while he started strongly, he hit .294 in April, since then he has hit around .220.  We should recognize that the offensive bar for catchers is not that high, defensively Jeroloman could handle the majors right now, but will he hit enough?

Kyle Phillips is hitting really well but his defense has not been rated as major league ready.  Phillips manager in AAA, Mike Basso, is a former catcher and presumably he is working with Phillips to try and get him to be major league ready.  Phillips is also trying out at third base but he is defensively challenged there too.  but Phillips can hit, he hit over .300 last season in AA and has hit over .300 each month of 2009.  But at the end of the day either a player finds a defensive position or he has to hit 30 home runs to be a full time DH.  Because Phillips is a left handed bat he could be used at DH but to do that the Jays would have to move one of their outfielders.

Next best catching prospect is 19 year-old AJ Jimenez who is in Lansing.

So the Jays do have prospects who could play for them in 2010, the Jays don't know if either of Arencibia or Jeroloman will be able to handle major league pitching.  Arencibia and Jeroloman could be top ten prospects but neither is pushing up to number one.

First Base

Brian Dopirak has continued his fine 2008 play into 2009 and has likely eanred himself a promotion to AAA soon.  Dopirak could possible help the team in 2010, possibly in the Kevin Millar role.  Teams often look for left handed hitting first basemen and Dopirak hits right but he has a .950 OPS in AA and deserves a chance to prove himself at AAA.  However we need to remember that Dopirak stalled out previously with the Cubs and while he has reworked his swing there is no guarantee that he will sail though AAA.

David Cooper is a 2008 draftee who has moved quickly to AA.  After a slow start Cooper is coming around and has hit better recently.  However Cooper has not yet developed much power and first base is a power position.  Cooper is not likely to be able to help the Jays in 2010 unless he quickly finds that power stroke.  Cooper might need a couple of off-seasons of weightlifting before he can help.  Cooper is a top ten prospect but the lack of power would hold him back from the top of the rankings.

At first, Dopirak could possibly help in 2010 but that is it. 

Second base

Brad Emaus was the next great second base prospect but he has had an up and down 2009.  Dick Scott told us recently that Emaus needs to learn to be less of a free swinger, and usually that is a lesson that has to be learned again in AAA.  Emaus may have to go back to AA in 2010 unless he comes around quickly and is unlikely to help the parent team in 2010.  Emaus's defense is also reported to need some work and that, coupled with Aaron Hill being entrenched at 2B, means Emaus will have to wait.

John Tolisano has hit reasonably well in Dunedin but will need time to get to the major leagues.

There is no second base help in the minors for 2010, but the Jays don't need any.

Shortstop

Most of the Jays shortstop prospects are young.  Each of Justin Jackson, Tyler Pastornicky and Gustavo Pierre have enough potential to be top prospects but none of them will help in the Jays in 2010 or possibly even 2011.  They each have shown enough potential to be in the running for top prospect status.  Jackson still struggles to be a consistent hitter in high A ball, Pastornicky has hit well in his first full season but needs some more power and Pierre has just started playing in North America.

Third base

Kevin Ahrens has also not yet developed and like the shortstops needs time and will not help in 2010. 

Scott Campbell was supposed to be close but a series of injuries in 2009 has pushed him back to AA and he didn't hit in AAA when he was there.  Campbell needs more time to recover from a tough first half of 2009.

It doesn't look like the Jays have any prospects in waiting for 2010 at third base.

Outfield

Moises Sierra has been the most improved prospect of 2009.  Sierra had shown good power and defense with the Jays but the consistent batting average was not there until 2009.  Sierra has played very well in Dunedin and has pushed himself forward into the top tier of prospects.  Sierra still has to experience the more advanced pitchers in AA and AAA

Eric Eiland and Marcus Brisker are raw and have not shown much yet.  Same with Kenny Wilson although he lost time on the DL just when it looked like he was starting to show better results.  Eric Thames started his pro career strongly this season but has lost time to injuries.

Starting Pitcher

Fabio Castro started 2009 in dominating fashion in AA but he has cooled off in AAA.  Castro has a 6+ ERA in both June and July.  Because of his small size, he is listed at 5'7", Castro is tabbed for the bullpen.  The Jays might give him some starts in 2009 as an audition but his

Luis Perez does not have one big out pitch, he has to mix his pitches and control the strike zone to succeed.  On that basis he will probably need more time in AA and AAA before he will be ready to help the Jays.

Relief Pitcher

Dan Farquhar has an ERA below one combined between Dunedin and New Hampshire.  Opposing hitters are hitting .156 off Farquhar.  Farquhar's weak link is his control, he has walked 27 hitters in 39 innings.  Farquhar was only drafted last season but he could help the Jays in the bullpen in 2010, more likely in the second half of 2010.

Tim Collins is a great story but he is still only 19 years old.  Collins is another short pitcher, 5'7", and as a result he will have to prove he can keep up his performance at higher levels, but 77 strikeouts in 50 innings is pretty impressive at any level.

Trystan Magnuson has shown a lot of improvement in 2009 after a failed experiment with starting in 2008.  Magnuson is still in A ball but could get to AA later this season.  Magnuson is unlikely to be able to help the big club in 2010 and as a reliever would not be a number one prospect.

The Jays have depleted their pitching depth this season with all the promotions and that leaves no major starting pitcher prospects banging on the door.  There are some pitchers who could help in the bullpen over the next few years.  In addition none of these pitchers would be the Jays number one prospect this off-season.


Summary

So who do the Jays have ready to step up in 2010 who we haven't seen yet?  The answer is not much.  They could add a catcher and a right hand hitting first baseman, and possibly a relief pitcher or two but there are slim pickings on the farm until the high school picks and the 2009 draft class come through in 2011 or 2012.

The Jays best prospect who has never played in the major leagues is probably one of JP Arencibia; Justin Jackson; or Tyler Pastornicky.  The answer is not obvious and none of them would be considered "A" level prospects at this stage of their development.

The caveat to all this is that if the Jays intend to contend in 2010 they would need to re-sign Barajas and Scutaro or sign replacements.  The Jay's 2010 payroll would be over $20 million higher for the players under contract and presumed arbitration increases.  Signing Scutaro and Barajas, or equivalent players, to "win now" would bump the payroll increase to $25 million or so and total payroll to well over $100 million.  This could be higher than Rogers budget thereby generating a need to dump salary.

The Jays can cover the loss of Halladay, from a body ready to play in the majors perspective, but when it comes to position players the cupboard is much less fruitful.  Barajas can be replaced; Rios could be replaced by Travis Snider if he was traded; but there are no replacements for Marco Scutaro or Scott Rolen.

Finally, if the Jays pitching prospects pitch enough innings in the major leagues in 2009 to lose their prospect status the Jays system will look to be thin on top talent and Baseball America will have the Jays in the lower 20's in their annual rankings this coming off-season.

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Lugnut Fan - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#202716) #

I know this goes beyond the intent of this string, but since I was visiting my parents last night and went to a Great Lakes Loons game which had a Blue Jays scout in attendance, I'm sure the Dodgers are floating an offer to Toronto that is at least being considered for Halladay.

Doing some reseach through different newspapers including the LA times, I saw quite a few names that are interesting pieces and can address some holes for Toronto in the near future as well as three or four years down the line.  The names that are being bantered about are Clayton Kershaw, Josh Bell, Andrew Lambo, Josh Lindblom and Dee Gordon. 

Kershaw needs no introduction, but Bell is a third base prospect that is starting to finally realize his potential.  He is a good power bat at third base and could be MLB ready by mid to late next season.

Lambo is a corner outfielder and is currently the Dodgers #1 prospect.  If Overbay and Wells could be moved, you could have an outfield of Lambo, and Snider at the corners and potentiall Rios in center.  This could potentially be a potent outfield line up.

Lindblom almost made the Dodgers bullpen out of spring training and is currently being groomed as a closer I believe.  I'm not sure how he is doing this season, but I saw him a few times last year.  He has a mid to upper 90's fastball and a really good change up. 

Gordon is interesting.  I think there is some risk with him, but I think he has a ton of upside.  He is currently playing short stop in the MWL and is batting lead off.  He is a very good hitter with blazing speed.  I like Pastornicky and Jackson, but I think Gordon is an even better prospect.  He's probabaly at least two years away however.

I doubt the Dodgers are floating all of these guys as trade bait for Halladay.  Depending on whether or not Kershaw would be included, this trade would dictate the prospects in my opinion.  If all these guys are being flashed in a trade with Toronto, I don't see how JP could turn it down.

LouisvilleJayFan - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#202718) #
This year has been so disappointing for those of us that follow the Jays prospects. Seemingly none of the top guys has carried over their success from 2008 into 2009 , which has me kind of worried about the same thing happening next year with guys like Pastornicky, Chavez, and Sierra. I do really like Henderson Alvarez and to a lesser extend, Joel Carreno. I'm betting Alvarez is anywhere from 3 to 8 in the Jays top 10 next year when Baseball America comes out with their lists.

Dee Gordon is an exciting ballplayer. I wouldn't mind the Jays getting him in a Halladay deal.


TamRa - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#202724) #
The Jays have depleted their pitching depth this season with all the promotions and that leaves no major starting pitcher prospects banging on the door.  There are some pitchers who could help in the bullpen over the next few years.  In addition none of these pitchers would be the Jays number one prospect this off-season.


I think it's assuming too  much to assume that all the upper level top starter prospects are in the majors for good. Between Cecil, Zep, Mills, and Ray...2 or 3 of those guys will be in AAA most of the year (assuming Ray recovers)

Cecil and Zep, at least, are candidates to be the Jays #1 prospect next winter and Mills might be. I think Cecil is the favorite to not go back - especially given the potential to shift him to relief work during the long stretches when they Jays don't need five starters - but there is certainly no sure thing there.


Mylegacy - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#202727) #

As far as 2010 is concerned there isn't much - except 10 or so pitchers most of whom have had at least a peek this year. AND - a potential MVP down the road - Snider. However, further along Chavez, Thames, Sierra, at least one of Jackson or Pasternicky, at least one of Arencibia or Joelerman, and I still have hopes for Loewen who is just starting to put it together - remember he was thought to need 2000 at bats - he's still less than 300.

Wells can be replaced ( move Rios to CF and play Snider in right - his normal position).

Rolen can be replaced - with Bautista.

Scutaro can be replaced with JMac.

Overbay can be replaced with Lind or Dopirak.

Barajas and Chavez should be resigned.

Clearly - Rolen and Scutaro CAN'T be replaced production wise and their loss would REALLY hurt our chances in 2010 UNLESS the trade of Halladay and Rolen could bring in a SERIOUSLY GOOD SS and 3RD. I doubt that would happen.

Pitching wise except for someone like Kershaw (who might actually be as good as Roy) or Buchholz (IF he can finally live up to the hype) or Hughes (see the Buchholz comment) - there are VERY FEW pitchers out there that can help - NOW. FOrtunately we've a TON of in house guys that look between serviceable, good to excellent: Romero, Cecil, Rzepzetcetc, Mills, Ray, Purcey - NOT to mention a return to health from Marcum, McGowan, Janssen, Accardo, Litsch and others. Clearly our pitching WILL be good enough for us to contend. The questions are SERIOUSLY on the hitting side.

Our NEAR FUTURE must be Lind, Hill and Snider with Wells and Rios being at least some of what they could. I just can't see any way we can come near to replacing the production of Scutaro and Rolen IF we trade (Rolen) or lose to free agency (Scutaro). I can't see replacing their offence or defense - although Bautista and JMac are not total disasters defensively.

mendocino - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#202733) #

An article talking trade with Dodgers Lambo and Bell

Chattanooga Times Free Press

one about Brian Dopirak

the last 24 hours lots articles and such using google news on......

Halladay: Boston, Dodgers, Phillies and Yankees most mentioned.

Rios: White Sox and Mariners

Rolen: Boston

Frasor (Downs, League): Dodgers and Twin

tercet - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#202737) #
Arencibia, Dopirak, and Farquar are the only 3 as of right now who stand a chance of making the Jays out of spring training in '10. imo.

If Loewen last 6 weeks is an indication, he might have some potential, but we still will have to wait.  Hopefully he gets promoted to AA by the end of the year, since NH has a bunch of late 20/early 30s OF'ers filling spots.

 



TamRa - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#202741) #
if you're trading with the dodgers and it doesn't change the deal at the top (the better prospects) why not ask for a throw-in of chin lung hu? at least his glove is supposed to be awesome. maybe cito can do some stuff with him and make him usefull with the bat. but i could handle a young john mcdonald clone at short as a stop-gap during a rebuild/retool.

Absolutely agree. they have nothing to lose by including him and it would be nonsensical for us to deal with them without getting him.

Same with Texas and Jaquin Arias, by the way.

TamRa - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#202742) #
If Loewen last 6 weeks is an indication


I still think Loewen is one of our best hitting prospects. Taking a couple of months to get the rust of is hardly a reason to write him off.

I have a lot of faith that by the end of 2010 he'll be on our top 10 lists (he might not be considered a real prospect since he's been in the majors too long as far as publications like BA are concerned but he'll be worthy I think)

damos - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#202749) #
Down on the farm Marcum is squaring off against highly touted Giants prospect Madison Bumgarner. 

So far (guessing he's done):
4ip,  0 runs, 3 hits (2 doubles), 1bb, 4 strikeouts.

5 ground balls, 3 fly outs. 

greenfrog - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#202752) #
This has definitely been a down year for prospect development. For me, the biggest disappointments are Jackson, Cooper, Arencibia, Emaus and Ahrens (I could go on). However, some important things have gone right: Romero has blossomed, Cecil has been holding his own as a young rookie, and Rzep has shown some promise (apparently Keith Law thinks his best role might be as a reliever). Tim Collins and Moises Sierra have had very good seasons. And of course, Marcum is back on a mound and feeling good.

For me, Romero is the big story of 2009. If he can continue to be a frontline starter (and all signs indicate that he can), it would be huge.

A lot could change in the next two weeks. The Jays have quite a few desirable players: Doc, Rolen, Rios, Downs, Frasor and Scutaro. Assuming Doc is likely to depart, I would love to see the Jays package one or two of these players along with him in a Gillick-style blockbuster.
bball12 - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#202753) #
Game over - Marcum and Martin pitch a great game.

Donovan - 2 for 4
Mastroianni - 1-3 BB and 2 more SB's

Cooper gets the winner

Great game!

TamRa - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#202754) #
Rios: White Sox and Mariners

!!
Brandon Marrow and Jeff Clement and maybe...Balantin?

Where do I sign?
MAFA - Thursday, July 16 2009 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#202756) #

Can anyone explain to me why Dials is still in high A? His ERA is something that sticks out when you see Boyd's ERA in AA . I just dont understand what the club see's in Boyd whatso ever.

Jays2010 - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 12:49 AM EDT (#202758) #

While I understand that it is very possible that none of our "prospects" make a meaningful contribution next year, it doesn't mean that we won't be getting contributions from guys who have not yet made a big impact in 2009. Namely Snider, Marcum, Litsch...not to mention Rzcepsynski/Cecil who will hopefully be very important in 2010.

Random question for those with more knowledge than myself: how would Moises Sierra project in CF? I know he's a solid defender in RF with a cannon for an arm, but I saw in a game recently that he played a few innings of CF. Could he be average or above average in CF?

Random trade proposal: Adam Lind & Lyle Overbay for Adrian Gonzalez and Chase Headley. Based on OPS, Gonzo/Headley currently average .792 while Lind/Overbay are at .880. However, there is the Petco factor which is why I would do it (presumably Lind/Overbay would do worse in Petco and Gonzo/Headley would improve in Rogers centre). Also, Headley can take over 3B in 2011 and we have enough potential corner OF/1B/DH types so at least Headley can provide something different (and hopefully Butterfield can make him an adequate defender at the hot corner).

Wouldn't Lind have more trade value than Adrian Gonzalez at this point, by quite a bit in fact? Shorter track record, but better stats (until the park is factored in!) and 4 more years before free agency as opposed to Gonzo's 2 years...

jerjapan - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 08:25 AM EDT (#202764) #
I just dont understand what the club see's in Boyd whatso ever.

He was a world baseball classic signee from the Netherlands I believe, who throws side or underarm?  I think his unusual pitching style gives him a bit of Mark Eichorn style intrigue, but he has really struggled since a nice start to the season.
92-93 - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#202775) #
You're delusional if you think Adam Lind's trade value is anywhere near Adrian Gonzalez's.
John Northey - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#202779) #
At first I thought payroll might explain the view that Lind is in Gonzalez's ballpark for trade value, but Gonzalez is signed for a total of just over $10 million for the next two years while playing gold glove defense at first with an OPS in the 900 range. 

Lind could be that good if all breaks just right, but isn't there yet.  Anyways, I can't see the Jays trading a kid who is pre-arbitration, entering prime years, and hitting well.
Jays2010 - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#202781) #

So you don't think the Jays could straight off trade Lind for Gonzalez? I'm betting they could, not that I would want them to. I guess it depends how much the park is factoring into Gonzalez's value, but 4 years of Lind for 2 years of Gonzalez...sounds like a good deal for the Pads (again, before considering park factors). I figure Headley is a solid prospect much like Lind was before the year and he could easily break out at any time, espescially at a park other then Petco.

Alright, if that isn't enough then perhaps a pitcher or two that piques SD's interest is needed; but not Cecil or anything. I mean, if Billingsley supposedly is too much to give up for Doc because of service time and all, I don't see why Lind is worth so much less than Gonzo (considering he is a lot closer in value to Gonzo than Billingsley to Doc). And do we know for a fact that Towers values defence? Clearly a lot of GMs have not in the past, though the trend seems to be changing. And let's not forget that Kyle Blanks is 6'6 285 lbs...is that an OF in the long term? Sounds like a 1B to me. Gonzo is stuck at 1B while Lind can play LF and 1B if necessary I suppose. One more year of Overbay (maybe eating up $2.5 mill of his contract to match Gonzo) isn't a major detriment for Blanks.

I have no idea what trade values are; but based on the ever increasing value for controllable players I would think that 4 years of service time for a player with a lesser track record is worth more than 2 years of service time for a player with a greater track record considering they are having similar seasons (yes, park factor...I guess it all depends on how Towers perceives park factor). The Pads aren't winning in the next 2 years while Gonzo is there...

James W - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#202785) #
Adrian Gonzalez is a local San Diego product.  The Padres aren't trading him for Adam Lind.
Mike Green - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#202786) #
I'd throw in maple syrup and Denzil Minnan-Wong if it would help make the Gonzalez-Lind trade happen.
Gerry - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#202789) #
Zach Dials is now showing on the AA New Hamsphire roster.  Boomer Potts has moved up from Lansing to Dunedin.
Forkball - Friday, July 17 2009 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#202791) #
Adrian Gonzalez is a local San Diego product.  The Padres aren't trading him for Adam Lind.

I don't think it would matter to the Padres where Gonzalez is from; they're not trading him for Lind, or Lind and a prospect (unless it was Snider and then it'd be an interesting decision on their part, not that TO would ever do it).
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