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Who doesn't live for the big hit? The Jays had plenty of them Saturday afternoon as they belted eight homers among their 20 hits in a 17-11 victory at the Rogers Centre.  Jonathan Paul Arencibia was living the dream in his major league debut by hitting two home runs, a double and a single in a 4-for-5 day at the plate.  Aaron Hill also went yard twice while Adam Lind, Lyle Overbay, Edwin Encarnacion and Jose Bautista (shocker!!) also put one over the fence.  However, I'll remember this game for another reason after encountering this "learned Jays fan" (not to be confused with this fellow down below because that would be an insult to crash test dummies and all dummies in general!).



I was planning on going to Friday's game to catch Arencibia's debut only to find out he was not playing.  I figured I'd go to this game instead to watch Arencibia and get my first look at starter Brad Mills, who was dominant against the Orioles in his first start of the season to earn his first major league win.

I was seated behind the Rays dugout thanks again to my "G-20 Summit ticket voucher" instead of my usual 500 level seats with the Toronto Star Season Pass.   I was sitting near some pinhead who could not get over the fact I had my scorebook and camera with me.  I love my camera but having the large lens I use with it tends to draw some unwanted attention from time to time.  He thought I was a scout at first even though I was wearing a jersey and did not have a radar gun on me.  As the game began, he got into a discussion with his girlfriend about 80's TV shows and they were trying to figure the one about two detectives in which one of them wore a cowboy hat.  I answered "Simon & Simon".  He then said I must have known that because I had a chart that listed 80's TV shows in my scorebook.  That makes perfect sense because I always bring one just in case these types of conservations break out.  This is why I have no problem making fun of him here!

As you may have figured, he was getting his drink on early and was heckling Matt Garza when he popped out from the dugout from time to time.  I didn't see this but Garza apparently gave him the number one salute.  At least the heckler kept it clean towards Garza but he didn't do the same towards some Rays fans sitting near us.  To paraphrase an Eddie Murphy routine, "If you don't like it, get the bleep out, melonfarmer!" after they objected to his razzing of Garza.   The Rays fans then objected to his swearing at them.  He did tone it down but claimed he never swore at them.  He tried to be friends with them afterwards but he was just being lame.

Later on, this genius thought he would drop some knowledge on the other people around us by saying that Arencibia was picked up in the Roy Halladay trade.  No one else bothered correcting him and I didn't bother because there was no point.   Besides, I didn't have a chart for that!   He was so amazed by Brad Mills that he kept calling him Scott for some reason.  Maybe he was confusing him with Scott Downs, perhaps?  However, this was the money comment.  He said Mills was so good he called him "Strasburg Canada".  So what if Mills' fastball tops out at 86 miles per hour and he throws left-handed, I could totally see the comparison.  That'll be my nickname for Mills from now on!  Strasburg Canada!  Priceless!   You can't make up stories like this!  That's why I won't forget this game anytime soon!


Random observations from yesterday......

  • It was nice to hear the more knowledgeable fans chanting "J.P." and it wasn't for our former general manager or for Rays reliever J.P. HowellJ.P. Arencibia could do no wrong yesterday and I don't blame him for the out he did make in his last at-bat.  I blame the fans in the right field corner for not trying to interfere with Ben Zobrist in right field.  Someone could have jumped on the field and tackled Zobrist!  So what if you get arrested, take one for the team!
  • Yunel Escobar made an awesome throw from deep in the hole to get Evan Longoria when the Rays rallied for three runs in the fifth.  That was huge to get an out there.  The Rays would have had a bigger inning if it wasn't for that play.
  • I felt bad for Mills not being able to last the required five innings to get the win.  I blame the guy for calling him Strasburg Canada because that clearly jinxed him.  He was victimized by a couple of bloop singles and looked be tiring when he fired three straight balls well out of the strike zone before walking in a run.  He threw a lot of pitches and I believe his strike-ball ratio was 28-28 at one point before finishing at 54-42 for a 96 pitch afternoon.  Brian Tallet wasn't entirely great during his three innings but he got credited with the "W".
  • Why didn't Joe Maddon pull "Big Fly James" (as he was called on ESPN RadioShields from the game?  Who allows a pitcher to get bombed for six homers?  Seriously!  Garza went the distance Friday so it wasn't like the bullpen was overly worked.
  • Every Jays starter scored a run, even pinch-runner John McDonald crossed home plate once.  The only player not to score was Dewayne Wise, who replaced Jose Bautista late in the game.  His ground ball double play in the eighth ruined the Jays chances of scoring in every inning after they scored at least once in the first seven.  For this, Wise should be benched!  ;D

Today, Brandon Morrow goes to the hill against Andy Sonnanstine in a 1:07 start at the RC.  I remember Sonnanstine's debut three years ago and I hope the end result duplicates itself this afternoon.

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Jdog - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#220103) #
starting Wise in LF really? It would be one thing to start him in CF to give Wells a day off but there is no reason to give him a start in LF
Chuck - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#220105) #

starting Wise in LF really?

Agreed. Wise has played better than expected, to be sure, but does not warrant the right to be included in the position player rotation. Allowing him to continue drawing a major league paycheque is reward enough.

From my perspective, Snider should be a fulltimer and not even part of the rotation. For him to lose at-bats to Wise is criminal. Yes, Snider does not look like a leadoff hitter (Wise does as long as you ignore his career 258 OBP), so when Lewis sits, Gaston could bat Escobar first and somebody -- Snider? Hill? does it matter? -- second.

Two more months.

By the way, Escobar has drawn one walk in 18 games. I'm wondering if a bump to the leadoff spot might allow him the opportunity to exercise the keen batting eye he showed in Atlanta.

Mike Green - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#220107) #
There is no reason for Wise to play in left-field unless both Lewis and Snider are hurt.
D. King - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#220108) #
I think that I'll remember that game for a long time. I was actually saying to a friend of mine on Friday that is was my favourite Blue Jay team to watch in... Well a long time. Which something that I would never have guessed when they made the trade in the off season - I thought that it would take a couple of years to create this much excitement. I don't know what it is: the home runs, the young home grown starters, the rejuvenation of the farm system (not part of the big team strictly speaking), but I'm hooked on these guys. Part of me is worried that they are going to somehow wiggle back into a wild card hunt just when they have to start shutting their arms down.

Also- I'll second Strasburg Canada on the strength of that story.
Jonny German - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#220109) #
I really hope AA comes up with a better backup centrefielder in the offseason. Obviously 5th outfielder is not a key position, but Wise is a contender for worst hitting outfielder in the major leagues.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#220111) #
Escobar is not a lead off hitter. If he's comfortable hitting 2nd, I'd leave him there.

It defies convention, but there's no problem with Snider leading off. He can start with a double or a homerun. That's fine. If he singles or walk, Escobar can work on moving him up.

Too much playing time for Overbay and Wise for my liking. Wells should get extra rest too. He hasn't done anything special since a hot April/May.

Career numbers aside, Wise hasn't been half bad this year.


brent - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#220112) #
Finding Lind a position to play should be a priority. Having the DH spot to rotate guys through for a rest or for nagging injuries is a luxury the Jays should have.
Chuck - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#220113) #

Escobar is not a lead off hitter.

I couldn't disagree more. I look at this lineup and I see no more obvious a candidate to be the team's leadoff hitter. He has a career 366 OBP. He's going to be in the lineup every day so why not make him the fulltime leadoff hitter and then that issue is resolved.

If Lewis is in the lineup, Lewis can bat second. If he's not, someone else can bat second.

Alex Obal - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#220114) #
I think labels like 'leadoff hitter' are less important than who bats immediately before and after you. In Escobar's case, because he likes to annoy the other team with bunts, you might want to have a good OBP in front of him. If Gregor Blanco is my 9 hitter, sure, I'll bat Escobar first. If the pitcher's spot is #9, I'm batting him somewhere else.

Jose Molina with the steal!
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#220116) #
Finding Lind a position to play should be a priority.

Well, we already know he's a lousy outfielder. They're going to find out about first base. But after that, they're kind of out of options.

Would anyone care to speculate on why Joe Maddon has Dan Johnson batting clean-up? Presumably because he's filling in for the regular clean-up hitter, no?
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#220117) #
but does not warrant the right to be included in the position player rotation.

Well, this is his second start in the last two weeks. About what you'd expect from a bench player.
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#220118) #
Escobar is not a lead off hitter.

Off his first few years in Atlanta, Escobar would be a fine leadoff hitter. Strangely though, he seems to have forgotten that it's okay to take a base on balls. His walk today was just his second as a Jay, and his first one came in his Toronto debut. Which was some time ago...
TamRa - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#220119) #
if you are unaware, today is shaping up as maybe as memorable as yesterday.

I envy those of you who can watch it (as i did yesterday)



Alex Obal - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#220120) #
Opposing pitchers may also have concluded that it is unwise to walk Toronto's #2 hitter, whatever his name is.
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#220121) #
There is that...

Jays record for Ks is 16, no? Roger Clemens?
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#220122) #
OK, it was 18...
cascando - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#220123) #
WillRain, go to mlb.com, they're doing free live look ins when Morrow is on the hill.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#220125) #
That gets Wise out of left field.
TamRa - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#220126) #
mlb.com never would start for me...just 20 minutes of a spinning baseball graphic
Alex Obal - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#220127) #
Oh man. Too bad. Hill had it...

What a game.
Moe - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#220128) #
You have to restart mlb.com every inning. Then it worked for me.

Too bad. But still a great game. 17k, one hit. But 137 pitches. Hope that last at bat won't come back to hurt him. I understand why Cito would want to let him finsh off but is this really smart?
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#220129) #
Time of game was 2 hours, 29 minutes. I'd much rather have a guy throw 150 pitches in that time than 100 pitches over 3 hours and 29 minutes.
dan gordon - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#220130) #

So how many times has a Blue Jay taken a no-hitter into the 9th?  I know Stieb did it what, 4 times, including twice in a row.  Halladay.  Clancy.  Morrow.  Who else?

Great game for Morrow.  Nice sweep of the Rays.

Chuck - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#220131) #
To me, Brandon Morrow is what Juan Guzman would have been had he been coachable.
Original Ryan - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#220132) #
So how many times has a Blue Jay taken a no-hitter into the 9th?  I know Stieb did it what, 4 times, including twice in a row.  Halladay.  Clancy.  Morrow.  Who else?

Dustin McGowan against the Rockies a few years ago.
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#220133) #
I know Stieb did it what, 4 times, including twice in a row. Halladay. Clancy. Morrow.

Off the top of my head, Stieb did it 5 times, including the one he finished off. White Sox, Indians, Orioles, Yankees and the actual no-no. Plus Dustin McGowan against Colorado.
scottt - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#220134) #
Isn't hat why the Mariners traded Morrow, because they didn't think he was coachable?
adrianveidt - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#220135) #
I don't think anyone can get a no-hitter in the Skydome. That turf is what caused Longoria's hit. On grass, it would have slowed down enough for Hill to get it.

But that's as well as anyone's pitched in Toronto I guess.
Dave Till - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#220136) #
I hope the Jays let Morrow skip a start or two so that he doesn't sustain long-term damage.

But you have to leave him in there to pitch the 9th in that situation. I think there's only been one manager who pulled a pitcher who had a late-inning no-hitter going (I seem to recall reading that Preston Gomez did it). I might not have let him finish the game, but a few more pitches won't make that much difference.

Congratulations to Brandon Morrow - what an amazing game. And it was against a very good team, don't forget.

Alex Obal - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#220137) #
it was against a very good team, don't forget.

Also a team that, despite having a decent lineup, sucks at breaking into the hit column for some reason. It's remarkable. They need to learn how to jinx.
dan gordon - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#220138) #

Found a full list.  Stieb 5 times, Clancy, Key, McGowan, Cone, Halladay, Morrow.  Total of 11.  The site has tracked them since 1961.  Approx 50% of no-hit bids carried into the 9th end up with no-hitters.  The Jays been very unlucky, getting only 1 out of 11.  Stieb losing a no-hitter 2 games in a row with 2 outs in the 9th remains one of the most remarkable things in baseball history.

Moe - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#220139) #
I agree you have to leave him in for the 9th at this point. But you could have lifted him after the hit. Would have saved him a few pitches.

I still understand the thinking behind leaving him in for the last out -- but the question is whether that outweighs the cost of an extra 8? pitches
Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#220140) #
Morrow's Game Score was 100. That doesn't happen very often - it's the only one in the majors this year. Second best is Doc's perfect game, which came in at 98.
Chuck - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#220141) #

Would anyone care to speculate on why Joe Maddon has Dan Johnson batting clean-up?

I look at the TB hitters and have no idea how they are 3rd in the AL in scoring. Their OPS+ is only 99. They have certainly gained runs via frequent and high percentage base stealing, but they must be hitting ridiculously (and presumably unsustainably) well with men on base.

All that said, I don't know who would have been a better option to bat 4th than Johnson. Maybe Joyce or Jaso, but are they clearly better than Johnson?

I understand that finances are a concern to the organization, but to not upgrade at DH was ridiculous (having Blalock and Aybar as contingencies for Burrell was more wishcasting than planning). The organization seems to be counting on a repeat of 2008 where everthing that can go right does go right. Adding a bat to the middle of that lineup would have meant having to rely on Lady Luck just a little bit less. There are a lot of smart people in TB's front office. The chequebook must be entirely off limits.

I look at that TB lineup and I see a team vulnerable to being caught, especially with the new concerns in the rotation. Niemann and Davis are sore. Shields has been stinking it up for two months. And an offense that features Dan Johnson batting 4th inspires limited confidence.

Magpie - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#220142) #
[Tampa] must be hitting ridiculously (and presumably unsustainably) well with men on base.

You would think so - and that did explain the Twins a couple years ago- but no. They're hitting just slightly better with RISP (.266/.367/.413) than they are overall (.252/.337/.402). The two things they're really good at are stealing bases and avoiding the double play.
JohnL - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#220144) #
Stieb losing a no-hitter 2 games in a row with 2 outs in the 9th remains one of the most remarkable things in baseball history.

Stieb losing a no-hitter 2 games in a row with 2 outs and two strikes in the 9th is even more remarkable.
TamRa - Sunday, August 08 2010 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#220147) #
8 more pitches is an irrelevancy.Especially for a guy with no history of abuse and who has, in fact, been handled gently this year - and who already has an extra days rest before his next start.

The jays can do a number of things to be even more gentle with him this week if they think it's necessary.

i'm as big a Cito critic as anyone but i have NO problem with Morrow finishing the game.

Now, if a weak hitter like Johnson had reached - then yeah.


I will concede the point that Morrow is a diabetic, but otherwise I see nothing that concerns me.
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