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We get to witness history this year.

Coming into this season, Jason Frasor had appeared in 411 major league games, all with Toronto. That put him fourth on the Jays' all-time list for pitching appearances, behind Dave Stieb (439), Tom Henke (446), and Duane Ward (452). So far this year, counting today, he's appeared in 23 games, which brings him up to 434, still fourth. But once he appears in his 42nd game of the year, he'll take over the franchise lead for games pitched. Since he typically appears in more than 50 games a season, this should be well within his reach, barring trade or injury.

Frasor, a righthanded reliever, was acquired from the Dodgers for OF-C Jayson Werth (wonder what ever happened to him) before the 2004 season. He has led the team in saves twice, in 2004 with 17 and in 2009 with 11. His best season was probably 2009, when he went 7-3 with a 2.50 ERA. Coming into today's game he had a career record of 23-28, with 36 saves and a 3.67 ERA.

It's a little odd that Frasor is in position to set this record. He's not an overpowering pitcher, although he is a good one, but as a righthanded middle reliever (which is what he's mostly used as), you'd expect him to have changed teams more than he has; you wouldn't think the Jays would have hung on to him long enough to pile up all those games. But he is, in fact, the current longest-tenured Blue Jay. More to the point, though, you tend to think of a franchise's record-holder in a major category to be a great player, which Frasor, much as I like him, is not. He's a pretty good player.

But that's pretty cool, isn't it? When a guy like that can do something historic?

I want you all to make sure you've crammed this idea into your heads. The pitchingest pitcher in the history of the Jays, as of sometime this year, will not be the great Tom Henke, or the fan-favourite Paul Quantrill, or the old-school Jim Clancy, or the famous Dave Stieb, or the much-missed Roy Halladay. Jason Frasor will exceed them all.

Let's make sure we keep track of this. I don't want this achievement to go by uncommemorated.
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pooks137 - Saturday, May 28 2011 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#235651) #
So does Frasor make it?

Frasor's career year of 2009 falls off the books in his Elias rankings, leaving his decent 2010 and excellent 2011 numbers so far, and possible dropping to a Type B free agent.

Does AA trade him in July for what you can get so you don't risk Type A status again?

Personally, I keep Jason at the deadline unless I can the equivalent of a Type B sandwich pick.  Then I offer him arbitration again regardless of Type A or B status and welcome him back again on a one-year deal if he accepts.

He's getting expensive, but has been remarkably consistent in set-up/middle-relief (I guess thats why he keeps getting put out there).

The Jays have quite a few potential departures at the end of the year from the bullpen - Francisco, Rauch, Dotel, Camp - so I would welcome Jason back via arbitration for some stability in 2012 if need be.

Good for Jason as well with the coming milestone.  Interesting that the Jays (future) most used reliever is also one of the most maligned with fans for many reasons (slow-pace, nervous mound demeanour, small stature, failed stints at closing, etc).

greenfrog - Saturday, May 28 2011 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#235652) #
Frasor is off to a very good start in 2011, as are several members of the Jays pen (Janssen, Camp, Rauch, Rzep). I agree with the assessment that while not a great pitcher, he has been a good one. The milestone is a significant accomplishment - he's had a nice career for a largely unheralded reliever (not a closer, and not really a classic setup man either, but valuable nonetheless).

Also, impressive job by Perez today, keeping the ChiSox at bay until the Jays rallied. And how about Corey Patterson? Another nice stopgap acquisition by AA.
scottt - Saturday, May 28 2011 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#235654) #
I'd pay more attention to Frasor, but I can't keep my eyes off Bautista.

Bautista reached the 20-homer mark in his 44th game, the fastest in Blue Jays history.

scottt - Saturday, May 28 2011 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#235655) #
While the Jays carry an 8 men pen, the White Sox use a 6 man rotation.
Craig B - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 12:50 AM EDT (#235664) #
Jason Frasor not overpowering? Jason Frasor has one of the best fastballs in the game, and on the Jays only Brandon Morrow's gets on hitters faster.
bpoz - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 08:31 AM EDT (#235669) #
I believe Fraser has a 2 year contract, not the usual 1 year + an option.
SJE - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 08:37 AM EDT (#235670) #
Frasors contract includes a 3.75 club option for 2012
earlweaverfan - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#235685) #
Let's none of us forget that Frasor has married a local woman, and while I think he would happily leave TO for a big contract elsewhere, my sense is that he is very happy to be here for as long as he can.

Sounds good to me.

Meanwhile, next year, how about a pen that includes:  Frasor, if they pick up his option; the healthy among Janssen, Rzepczynski, Villanueva, Perez, Mills; plus the best from among these categories:   high minor relievers (Farina, Farquhar...) OR one or more of the currently excelling AA starters (Beck, Gonzalez, even Alvarez) OR one or more of the excess starters (assuming Drabek, Romero and Morrow are all healthy, one of Litsch, Reyes, Cecil could be available), OR one or more Alex Anthopolous special pick-ups (how many of us knew what Villanueva was capable of?), OR one of our recuperating pitchers (McGowan, Ray, I suppose even Carlson). 

I for one can live with the likely departures of Dotel, Francisco, Rauch, and even Camp.

scottt - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#235689) #
Speaking of Litsch. I doesn't sound like he'll be back anytime soon.
bpoz - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#235695) #
Earlweaverfan, I have been considering that kind of bullpen too. Fraser, Janssen, Carlos V & Zep will be 4 experienced relievers. Richmond, Perez & Mills probably have nothing more to prove in the minors and should have a fair amount of ML experience by 2012. That provides depth & ability IMO. We are still looking for a lock down closer & set up men, roles that Francisco, Dotel & Rauch are not succeeding at, for the moment.

Kasi - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#235701) #
Problem is none of the minor league relievers or marginal starters would be good for that lockdown role either. I think Stewart or Alvarez would/could do great in that, given time, but we're still looking at both of them as prospective starters. Same for someone like Wojo or Cerrano. I'd be fine with another offseason relief signing, but yes Raush and Dotel should go. I still think Francisco has some promise, but that also means he'll likely be signed by someone else for more draft picks.
bpoz - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#235703) #
Is our pen still considered very good? It has been used much more than other teams' pens & the 8 man depth seems to be our strength, I mean that our 5th to 8th guy has been our strength. I don't know if they will be allowed to move up into more important roles and will they succeed if allowed.
Do Fraser & Camp get a chance and after them Carlos V & Janssen.

Also the problem if it exists, is that some players may complain about being used in lesser roles.
TamRa - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#235712) #
"is our pen still considered very good?"

AL stats for pitching in relief:


1. NYY - 2.97
2. TBJ - 2.99
3. Clev - 3.09

1. TBJ - .213
2. TBR - .221
3. Clev - .229

1. TBJ - 147
1. Balt - 147
3. KCR - 141


1. TBR - .627
2. NYY - .642
2. Sea - .642
4. TBJ - .648


1. BRS - 2.60
2. TBJ - 2.16
3. NYY - 2.11


1. TBJ - 1.16
2. TBR - 1.24
3. Clev - 1.25

Yeah, I think it's safe to say they could stake a claim to being the best 'pen in the AL.

On another note, we grumble about the offense - but the Jays are 3rd in the AL in runs scored.
Alex Obal - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#235715) #
Tied for second in the AL in WPA, too, with Cleveland, which shocked the hell out of me almost as much as the identity of the team in first...
Alex Obal - Sunday, May 29 2011 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#235716) #
Ahem. Scratch that. Cleveland is first. The team that shocked the hell out of me is tied for second: the Royals?! Turns out Aaron Crow and Tim Collins are a juggernaut.
bpoz - Monday, May 30 2011 @ 07:29 AM EDT (#235740) #
Since the pen is good, then this calls for a deeper analysis.

1)Where are we in close wins & losses.
2) The pen has to protect a 1 run lead for 3 innings and cannot. Give them some releif from grief.
3)The pen blows a 2 run lead in the last 2 innings but then in extra 3 innings win or lose by 1 run. It looks good but the W/L counts against the 96 win season we are aiming for in the future. L Perez made the pen & himself look good.

Even deeper look... it is the same couple of guys that cannot the last 3 outs, especially on the road.

If that guy is an expensive acquision, taking away his role can be a problem. And some unheard of minor leaguer is not giving up hits & getting strike outs ( J Carreno)is worth a gamble one day except for BB & HR allowed.
Krylian19 - Monday, May 30 2011 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#235745) #
One of the best fastballs in the game?  Seriously?

Frasor has a good fastball, but let's not lose our minds.

hypobole - Monday, May 30 2011 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#235748) #
TamRa, you showed us as leading the AL in K's, but you know thats misleading. We're actually 6th in K/9 in the AL and only 18th in MLB. The 2 things that seem to be driving the positive results of our pen are that we're 1st in the AL in both BABIP (.248) and LOB% (78.6%), which implies some measure of luck being in our favour so far.
hypobole - Monday, May 30 2011 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#235753) #
I don't recall this being mentioned, but Insider had an story on Michael Pineda that contained some stats I'd never seen before. I have seen articles in the past that have discussed why some fly ball pitchers seem to be successful; (e.g. Matt Cain). But the Pineda article seems to spell out why. Only 2% of FB's hit to the opposite field this year ended up as HR's. Up the middle FB's 4%. But pulled FB's ended up over the fence 26% of the time (27% last year). So the article basically says it's OK to be a fly ball pitcher, just don't let hitters pull those fly balls.
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